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'It's time to blow the whole thing up'

Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:06 AM

By Bill Rabinowitz

The Columbus Dispatch

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CINCINNATI -- Little rides on the Bengals' season finale Sunday against the Miami Dolphins, a huge disappointment for a team that entered 2007 with lofty expectations.

One person had a feeling from the start that the Bengals had problems that could doom them. That person, coach Marvin Lewis, sat down for an exclusive interview to discuss what went wrong this season and what needs to change to prevent continuing disappointment.

Question: Was there a sense even before training camp that things weren't looking good?

Answer: It's been (that way) all the time. We've struggled with guys who are too much worried about what they make or what the next guy makes. That's hard to overcome, and we've had to deal with it for two years now. Until they get it figured out that that's not the way winning teams operate…

When you sign a contract, you sign a contract. You sign to play. You have two choices -- either to play or not to play. When you get in the way of other people as you are constantly talking about that and not moving on professionally, (it's harmful).

When you sign a contract, the next deal signed after yours makes yours somewhat outdated. That's the way it is.

Q: Has that really pulled this team apart?

A: It weighs on players because they can't get above that. Guys who are not -- how do I want to say that? -- people who aren't mentally strong enough to understand and deal with that, it's always an underlying factor in everything, instead of moving forward and trying to figure out how you become a champion. You're too worried about, "Am I putting myself out there? Am I putting myself at risk?"

Q: I haven't gotten the sense that many players have whined publicly about contracts.

A: They do it within the confines of their groups. Instead of spending extra time on trying to figure out how to be the very, very best and how to know the opponent the very, very best, they worry about petty things, things that don't really matter. There should not be a concern of, "How quickly can I get out of here (today)?" or, "Am I the last guy in here?" (They should think), "I should be the first guy in and the last to leave every night."

In the steps of building a football team, that's where you've got to be. At some point, you have to swallow and understand that this is about knowledge and understanding and being on the same page constantly. The inability to make critical plays comes from that, not doing the one or two things extra just when it's easy and convenient, but all the time.

Q: Are the injuries you've had a legitimate reason for your struggles or a convenient excuse?

A: It's an excuse. Your good players have to get you over the hump. You have to find a way to win the game at Cleveland, win the game at Seattle, win the game at Kansas City. Then you suck it up and regroup and find a way to win the next one until you get the guys back and healthy, which happened.

Q: Is there anything about your own coaching that you haven't handled very well?

A: Oh, we haven't handled anything very good. We're not good enough. We haven't coached anything very good. We've turned the football over too many times. We've allowed explosive plays early on defense. We haven't played good enough on third down on either side of the football. We've had receivers drop passes. We haven't run the football effectively enough. We haven't handled anything very well.

Q: Five years as coach probably puts you in the top half of the league in terms of longevity. Are you as energized as ever?

A: Oh yeah, I am. Every year is a new year and provides new chal-lenges. They all become the history of the last one. You've got to use it and move forward and move on. It's time for us to blow the whole thing up and start from scratch. We need to empty these shelves, empty these offices and start from scratch.

Q: Really?

A: Yeah, because we haven't been good enough. We're not going to sit here and be complacent with it, and guys have to understand that. It hasn't been good enough.

Q: When you say blow it up…

A: We've got to start from scratch. We have to blow it up and empty everything. Just like new people walking in this door and go from there. That's the only way we're going to shake away from the cobwebs. We've established a certain plateau or work ethic and we've got to move beyond that.

Q: But an outsider would look at this team and say this is not a roster devoid of talent.

A: Every NFL team has talent.

Q: Do you even want to come back next year?

A: Yeah. I'm excited about next year. I'm excited about our young players. I'm excited about the players who've shown they can play productive and winning NFL football, and I think they are. I think there'll be a changing and a new breeze, a refreshing breeze blow through. We'll have an opportunity through the draft and we'll probably pick and choose some other guys through our attrition to help retool.

But we've got to move forward and move out any malcontent that's still here or (giving) just average effort. Guys who can't make productive plays on and off the field we have to move (beyond).

Q: How much do you have to change the culture?

A: It's not a culture. It's just making sure nobody can hide behind the door. As the broom comes through and sweeps, you have to make sure guys don't hide behind the door a little bit and you miss them. When you don't win all the time, you're able to take a hard look at guys and know who's really on your side. That's the one thing that's helpful. You kind of knew who your fighters are.

Q: There's been much speculation about the Bengals having a general manager to oversee player acquisitions. How would you feel about that?

A: Those decisions aren't my responsibility. None of the speculations you refer to have been spurred by anything I've ever said.

Q: How likely are the two coordinators (Bob Bratkowski on offense and Chuck Bresnahan on defense) to be back?

A: I'm not going to talk about stuff like this.

Q: About some of the players. Obviously, the franchise guy is Carson Palmer, and he hasn't been the Pro Bowler he was last year.

A: I don't know that. He's had some games when he hasn't played quite as well, but he's also had to deal with some guys around him who haven't played as well.

Q: Is right tackle Willie Anderson definitely going to be back next year?

A: Willie has a contract for next year, yes.

Q: That's not what I asked you.

A: Nobody's definitely anywhere.

Q: But based on your endorsement of his play against the Browns on Sunday…

A: He played well. But we've got to see where the football team is. Part of being an NFL player is it's the whole thing. It's not one guy.

Q: Rudi Johnson is averaging 2.9 yards per carry. Sunday against the Browns, it looked like Kenny Watson made yards that Rudi hasn't made.

A: I don't know that. There was a lot more opportunity there to make yards on Sunday. Many guys would have made a lot of yards on Sunday. Running backs make yardage because you block folks.

Q: Do you have any regrets about giving Rudi as many carries as you gave him?

A: No, not at all.

Q: Much has been made of Chad Johnson supposedly being a distraction. Is it legitimate or is it outsiders making things up?

A: It's outsiders making up things. They like to have fun.

Q: So you have no issues with him?

A: It's an issue every time we drop a pass. Every time we don't run a route at the right depth, I have an issue. If he's not getting the safety blocked when he's supposed to get the safety blocked, then we've got an issue.

Q: Are you concerned about Chad's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, pulling shenanigans in the offseason?

A: Chad has a contract for a long time. (The club has an option through 2011.) That's all I'm saying. Longer than mine.

Q: You have several other guys whose contracts are up -- defensive end Justin Smith, safety Madieu Williams, linebacker Landon Johnson and guard Stacy Andrews, among others. How much of a priority is getting them re-signed?

A: Some of them will get re-signed. Some of them won't. That's part of the business.

Q: Where does Chris Henry fit in next year, or does he?

A: I don't know.

Q: Have you seen enough maturity and development in him to think he has turned the page?

A: He has been fine off the field, but I'm not sure he's done enough on the field as a football player. In his attention to detail in meetings, in his attention to detail on the field, he's not where he needs to be.

Q: You could do no wrong in this town for a couple of years. Now the honeymoon is over, as you're aware. How do you deal with that?

A: That's part of human nature. I don't have to worry about that. The only person I have to please is the person I work for. That's really all that matters.

Everybody wants to win. We're better now than when we started. The only way we can go and do it is when next season rolls around.

brabinowitz@dispatch.com

 
A good read. Thank you. There will be some changes made there I'm sure, and I think some of the changes will surprise us. It sounds like quite a few guys are completely immature and focus on others' paychecks instead of playing hard. Who do you think WON'T be back?

 
Duh! I don't feel sorry for the Bengals in the least. They chose to forgo character issues and just go with athletes, many of which had baggage which they knew about coming in. Now they realize that they can't change a leopards spots and they are going to rid themselves of the guys with character issues. Well that wasted a few years for the Bengals and their fans because it's certainly not going to be easy to blow it up and rebuild an entire team.

They deserve the bed they've made.

 
My take:

Chad Johnson - gone via trade (if they can get a 2nd rounder or better)

Rudi Johnson - gone due to salary and decreased production

Madieu Williams - gone

Chris Henry - 50/50. If they deal CJ they may have to bit the bullet and keep Henry

Delthia O'Neal - gone

Dexter Jackson - gone

Levi Jones - gone if the cap hit is absorbable

Willie Anderson - gone (made too many subtle jabs at Marvin late in the season)

Justin Smith - gone production does not match pay

Thorton - gone (see Smith)

Coaches

Bresnahan DC - gone

Bratkowski OC - gone

 
You can't leave Carson with nothing on the outside. I think the guy who is gone is TJ, his in game attitude is a problem. He had to miss time because he couldn't keep his cool late in games. They need a complete overhaul on the defensive side of the ball, they have maybe six or seven starters who make the cut. They have a promising, young secondary but really need a DT, LBs, and a veteran in the secondary.

On offense, they need to get back to basics. Run, Run, Run.

I think Chad stays, he doesn't miss games and is a diligent worker. I think the frustration of the whole team is being focused on him. Attention: Good or Bad is coming to him. Of course, if he keeps talking about not being in Cincy...then he will be gone.

I like Cincy to bring in a TE, RB (Julius Jones and pair him with kenny), WR, and a new OC.

I would not be surprised to see them make a move for Cam Cameron if he becomes available.

I agree with the the previous poster, but I believe Jones and Anderson stay put. Justin Smith is a nice player, but he needs a DT. Chris Henry is toast.

 
When coaches of failing teams begin to point publicly at players on their team, it's usually a sign that the coach isn't doing a very good job. Reading the article, the only time he was asked about coaching Lewis barely mentioned coaching and instead listed things players were doing wrong.

Q: Is there anything about your own coaching that you haven't handled very well?

A: Oh, we haven't handled anything very good. We're not good enough. We haven't coached anything very good. We've turned the football over too many times. We've allowed explosive plays early on defense. We haven't played good enough on third down on either side of the football. We've had receivers drop passes. We haven't run the football effectively enough. We haven't handled anything very well.
Certainly the Bengals have problems with players, but if a coach has a job for 5 years, his team is sagging, and his only solution is to blow up the roster, that sounds like a coach who doesn't know what to do.Link to article

 
My take:

Chad Johnson - gone via trade (if they can get a 2nd rounder or better)Rudi Johnson - gone due to salary and decreased production

Madieu Williams - gone

Chris Henry - 50/50. If they deal CJ they may have to bit the bullet and keep Henry

Delthia O'Neal - gone

Dexter Jackson - gone

Levi Jones - gone if the cap hit is absorbable

Willie Anderson - gone (made too many subtle jabs at Marvin late in the season)

Justin Smith - gone production does not match pay

Thorton - gone (see Smith)

Coaches

Bresnahan DC - gone

Bratkowski OC - gone
Isn't he a free agent?
 
My take:

Chad Johnson - gone via trade (if they can get a 2nd rounder or better)Rudi Johnson - gone due to salary and decreased production

Madieu Williams - gone

Chris Henry - 50/50. If they deal CJ they may have to bit the bullet and keep Henry

Delthia O'Neal - gone

Dexter Jackson - gone

Levi Jones - gone if the cap hit is absorbable

Willie Anderson - gone (made too many subtle jabs at Marvin late in the season)

Justin Smith - gone production does not match pay

Thorton - gone (see Smith)

Coaches

Bresnahan DC - gone

Bratkowski OC - gone
Isn't he a free agent?
I believe CJ is locked up through 2010
 
Answer: It's been (that way) all the time. We've struggled with guys who are too much worried about what they make or what the next guy makes. That's hard to overcome, and we've had to deal with it for two years now. Until they get it figured out that that's not the way winning teams operate…...A: It weighs on players because they can't get above that. Guys who are not -- how do I want to say that? -- people who aren't mentally strong enough to understand and deal with that, it's always an underlying factor in everything, instead of moving forward and trying to figure out how you become a champion. You're too worried about, "Am I putting myself out there? Am I putting myself at risk?"...A: They do it within the confines of their groups. Instead of spending extra time on trying to figure out how to be the very, very best and how to know the opponent the very, very best, they worry about petty things, things that don't really matter. There should not be a concern of, "How quickly can I get out of here (today)?" or, "Am I the last guy in here?" (They should think), "I should be the first guy in and the last to leave every night."In the steps of building a football team, that's where you've got to be. At some point, you have to swallow and understand that this is about knowledge and understanding and being on the same page constantly. The inability to make critical plays comes from that, not doing the one or two things extra just when it's easy and convenient, but all the time....
You know, when it comes to talking about guys of character, I probably tend to focus on guys who are going to distract the team with arrests and DUIs and such. But this brings up a very real aspect to team chemistry that often goes overlooked with attention on arrests and such.Can't say it doesn't seem like a bed of the Bengals own making.
 
It's funny, I didn't read that and get any sense Chad Johnson is one of the problems. He's one of the few guys Marvin defended by saying the chatter is coming from outside the organization.

 
It's funny, I didn't read that and get any sense Chad Johnson is one of the problems. He's one of the few guys Marvin defended by saying the chatter is coming from outside the organization.
That's how I read it too. I've said it before: the Bengals have far bigger problems than Chad. Marvin talks a lot about work ethic and Chad has a famous work ethic.
 
I think this part bears repeating, since a lot of people are starting to look at Henry as a possible stud if CJ leaves. Me, I don't see them trusting him enough. I sure wouldn't invest in Henry given this clear lack of endorsement by the HC.

Q: Where does Chris Henry fit in next year, or does he?A: I don't know.Q: Have you seen enough maturity and development in him to think he has turned the page?A: He has been fine off the field, but I'm not sure he's done enough on the field as a football player. In his attention to detail in meetings, in his attention to detail on the field, he's not where he needs to be.
 
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I doubt Marvin is going to downplay CJ if the decision has been made to deal him already. Why hurt his trade value further?

The RB situation is real interesting. Perry has not played in 2 years. The Bengals can't keep paying him first rounder money and Irons had a bad knee operation. They cannot rely on Irons to carry the load next season. Perry is a possible cut if it gives them cap space. Their lips say Watson, but the reality is free agency or doing something real stupid like drafting Slaton in the first round.

 
It's funny, I didn't read that and get any sense Chad Johnson is one of the problems. He's one of the few guys Marvin defended by saying the chatter is coming from outside the organization.
That's how I read it too. I've said it before: the Bengals have far bigger problems than Chad. Marvin talks a lot about work ethic and Chad has a famous work ethic.
CJ quit on the field this season. Anybody that watched the last few games could see that. This is the cardinal sin in sports. You don't quit on your teammates. Look past all the bravado and smack talk. CJ is a punk.
 
As a Colts fan, this is sad to see, seriously. I thought the Bengals had a chance to be the Colts-East.

From the many games I watched, with interest, of theirs this year, here are my thoughts:

CJ is gone. I don't see how he and Palmer will co-exist. CJ wants to be TO. Problem is, he isn't good enough. Don't get me wrong, CJ is very good, but he is not a game changer like T.O. I think it would do CJ some good to go to a team with a strong QB. Yes, this means guys like Brady, P. Manning, Brees, McNabb.

What if, pure speculation, McNabb and CJ both ended up in Minny or Chicago? Seems like something could be worked out with either of those teams moving Chester Taylor or Ced. Benson in a deal for him. Plus it keeps CJ out of the AFC.

Chris Henry should be gone. It is very obvious that he is a me-first player. He carries his off-the-field attitude with him onto the field.

The Bengals need a DC who can make some sense of their talents. I think the Bengals have enough talent to be competitive, but it sure seems like they are usually out of position relative to the play.

Rudi should go. He has been a horse for them, but they need to move on. He looked slow and plodding this season, at best!

Just my $0.02 and they're worth every penny. :rolleyes:

 
Last week on the same day Lewis gave two separate interviews. In one he said not to expect any earth-shaking changes and that he didn't know if he was going to be back next year. In another he said he was going "to blow it up," and he wanted to come back for a sixth season.
Bengals.com
 
As a Colts fan, this is sad to see, seriously. I thought the Bengals had a chance to be the Colts-East.

From the many games I watched, with interest, of theirs this year, here are my thoughts:

CJ is gone. I don't see how he and Palmer will co-exist. CJ wants to be TO. Problem is, he isn't good enough. Don't get me wrong, CJ is very good, but he is not a game changer like T.O. I think it would do CJ some good to go to a team with a strong QB. Yes, this means guys like Brady, P. Manning, Brees, McNabb.

What if, pure speculation, McNabb and CJ both ended up in Minny or Chicago? Seems like something could be worked out with either of those teams moving Chester Taylor or Ced. Benson in a deal for him. Plus it keeps CJ out of the AFC.

Chris Henry should be gone. It is very obvious that he is a me-first player. He carries his off-the-field attitude with him onto the field.

The Bengals need a DC who can make some sense of their talents. I think the Bengals have enough talent to be competitive, but it sure seems like they are usually out of position relative to the play.

Rudi should go. He has been a horse for them, but they need to move on. He looked slow and plodding this season, at best!

Just my $0.02 and they're worth every penny. :thumbup:
Call me crazy but I would put Palmer above McNabb and Brees and of course behind Brady and Manning. I would definetly put Carson in the top 5 real QBs (not fantasy) in the league. I think the Bengals should look at shopping TJ in the offseason. He is the attitude problem on this offense. If you could pick up a 3rd round pick for him or a late 2nd I think you do this in a second. I also think it is time to part ways with Rudi. Obviously the Bengals aren't in love with him due to the popularity in the selections of rb's over the past 4 years with early picks. Losing Steinbach hurt the offense more than some think. OLINE wins in this game and Palmer just didn't have the time he had last year to find open wr's. I think between Irons, Perry and Watson they have enough at rb. I think they are still fine at wr. They need to beef up the line alittle and get some hitters on d. They still aren't that far away.
 
I feel sorry for whatever team gets CJ in a trade. His decline started last year when Brian Russell pounded him, he's been tippy toeing ever since. Route runners aren't that hard to find. Tough, fearless route runners who run after the catch on the other hand change games. Chad Johnson is not a game changer. Tory Holt is not a game changer. Continueing to pay him all that money and listen to his yapper is clearly not worth it. Give me a young B. Marshall or D.Bowe...they seem to back up there talk a little better.

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Rams fan who hopes he is not on the radar as a Isaac Bruce replacement for next year :rolleyes:

 
As a Colts fan, this is sad to see, seriously. I thought the Bengals had a chance to be the Colts-East.

From the many games I watched, with interest, of theirs this year, here are my thoughts:

CJ is gone. I don't see how he and Palmer will co-exist. CJ wants to be TO. Problem is, he isn't good enough. Don't get me wrong, CJ is very good, but he is not a game changer like T.O. I think it would do CJ some good to go to a team with a strong QB. Yes, this means guys like Brady, P. Manning, Brees, McNabb.

What if, pure speculation, McNabb and CJ both ended up in Minny or Chicago? Seems like something could be worked out with either of those teams moving Chester Taylor or Ced. Benson in a deal for him. Plus it keeps CJ out of the AFC.

Chris Henry should be gone. It is very obvious that he is a me-first player. He carries his off-the-field attitude with him onto the field.

The Bengals need a DC who can make some sense of their talents. I think the Bengals have enough talent to be competitive, but it sure seems like they are usually out of position relative to the play.

Rudi should go. He has been a horse for them, but they need to move on. He looked slow and plodding this season, at best!

Just my $0.02 and they're worth every penny. :thumbdown:
Call me crazy but I would put Palmer above McNabb and Brees and of course behind Brady and Manning. I would definetly put Carson in the top 5 real QBs (not fantasy) in the league. I think the Bengals should look at shopping TJ in the offseason. He is the attitude problem on this offense. If you could pick up a 3rd round pick for him or a late 2nd I think you do this in a second. I also think it is time to part ways with Rudi. Obviously the Bengals aren't in love with him due to the popularity in the selections of rb's over the past 4 years with early picks. Losing Steinbach hurt the offense more than some think. OLINE wins in this game and Palmer just didn't have the time he had last year to find open wr's. I think between Irons, Perry and Watson they have enough at rb. I think they are still fine at wr. They need to beef up the line alittle and get some hitters on d. They still aren't that far away.
Just to clarify, I believe CP is a top 5 QB. I was speaking in terms of demonstrated leadership. To me Palmer hasn't taken the next step and control of the offense from a leadership standpoint. In the case of the QBs I mentioned, you know they are in control and the leader of the team.

I can't really say that about Palmer. Much of that has to do with his quiet demeanor and CJs big mouth.

I think palmer is better off without CJ.

 
Good read, thx.

I believe it all starts from the top. Until the Bengals realize that you can't fill the cupboard with players of questionable character and desire, you're never going to be a championship caliber team. Going by what Lewis said, I believe he understands this and will be making some wholesale changes to try and improve the character of his team. Like he said, "all NFL teams have talent", but how many have what it takes to be a champion? That goes far beyond talent.

 

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