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Mass Shooting at Orlando Nightclub (1 Viewer)

Doug B said:
An unsung victim here. These tragedies have multiple horrific dimensions. Don't even know what to say.

Man ... when you have a wife and child to think about ... you just gotta beat back that urge to hurt those who offend you personally. Even if you really do believe deep down that "they deserve to die" and that "they are wrong, I am righteous". Because it's not just you facing repercussions (or in the case, dying) -- it's those who depend on you, too.

Just thinking/typing "out loud" here. I know that the perpetrators of these killings are just so deep down in their own heads that they aren't able to think outside of themselves about their families anymore.
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I think we can agree that anybody who commits such a crime is by definition mentally ill, so the ability to care about "loved ones" may be beyond their capacity.

The Muslim connection often puts everything in a different light, but I think of Sandy Hook and Aurora. Just sheer madness (and evil as well). 

 
Doug B said:
Disagree -- no political party is monolithic. And human beings, on an individual level, are pretty much always inconsistent if you closely examine their gamut of privately-held beliefs.
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Well, I agree with you actually.  I just pointed that out because in so many of these shooting what happens is the first thing everyone on the political left tries to do is pin it on the political right.

 
MaxThreshold said:
Well, I agree with you actually.  I just pointed that out because in so many of these shooting what happens is the first thing everyone on the political left tries to do is pin it on the political right.
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And if the shooter is a Muslim? What does the political right try to do in that event? 

 
facook said:
I agree with that.  Just seems asinine for a politician to align himself with a mass murderer.
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He's not trying to align himself with a mass murderer.  He's suggesting that the country/world's rejection of HIS values has led to this evil.  It's a total, "I was right" barb.  Pure ego and pure stupidity at work.    

 
Interesting headlines:

NBCnews.com: At least 50 dead after 'terrorism' at Orlando Gay Club 

ABCNews: At least 50 dead in Orlando Gay Club Massacre 

CNN.com: NIGHTCLUB TERROR

Odd that NBC would put Terrorism in quotes - like its not really terrorism 

Also disturbing that NBC and ABC included that it was a Gay club in the headline.  Not really sure why that is necessary.  It may be part of the story, but I don't think its the headline - when 50+ people are dead.

 
Deadliest mass shooting in US history! Must be the other political party's fault.

Get the #### out with that ####.

 
JShare87 said:
First shots happened at 2 am. He wasn't killed until 5 am! 3 hours is a hell of a lotta time in there. 
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Had a shootout with a first responder outside the club then went back in and reportedly had 30 hostages. They regrouped, setup then swat stormed the club with an armored vehicle through the front door and took him out. 

 
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Sinn Fein said:
Interesting headlines:

NBCnews.com: At least 50 dead after 'terrorism' at Orlando Gay Club 

ABCNews: At least 50 dead in Orlando Gay Club Massacre 

CNN.com: NIGHTCLUB TERROR

Odd that NBC would put Terrorism in quotes - like its not really terrorism 

Also disturbing that NBC and ABC included that it was a Gay club in the headline.  Not really sure why that is necessary.  It may be part of the story, but I don't think its the headline - when 50+ people are dead.
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More of a hate crime than a terror crime. Targeted a specific group of people due to religious beliefs.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Interesting headlines:

NBCnews.com: At least 50 dead after 'terrorism' at Orlando Gay Club 

ABCNews: At least 50 dead in Orlando Gay Club Massacre 

CNN.com: NIGHTCLUB TERROR

Odd that NBC would put Terrorism in quotes - like its not really terrorism 

Also disturbing that NBC and ABC included that it was a Gay club in the headline.  Not really sure why that is necessary.  It may be part of the story, but I don't think its the headline - when 50+ people are dead.
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Seems like a pretty relevant part of the story.  Lots of people just read headlines.  Makes sense to me.

 
Billy Bats said:
Had a shootout with a first responder outside the club then went back in and reportedly had 30 hostages. They regrouped, setup then swat stormed the club with an armored vehicle through the front door and took him out. 
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If that's the case, then there's a good chance the survivors might be able to tell us if this guy said anything and what his motivations were. 

 
just caught Brett Baier on FOX reporting that this ######## Mateen was under FBI investigation from 2013-14, but it was discontinued 

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
Yeah those guys don't speak for all Christians. Just like terrorists don't speak for all Muslims. Funny how some of preachers on their high horse paint groups with a broad brush. We all do it at times. Judgmental ### society too. 
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Come on, no bull#### here - there is a strong virulent strain of hate (especially toward the LGBT community) from large swarths of certain religious groups - the reality is the Christian Zealot shares more with the Muslim (and Jewish) Zealot than they do with the mainstream of those within that umbrella religious group.

That said, when a ####### LT GOVERNOR is tweeting that the 50 dead deserved this (and make no bones about it, "Reap what you sow" in this context is 100% that, unless he clearly states otherwise ASAP), you expect me to suggest this is a small isolated sect?  When you see actual legislation that demeans and dehumanizes the LGBT community, based again on religious ideology and theology, you want me to just think it's a small component of certain Christian groups / denominations?

I believe we have come to a point where the burden no longer is on the shoulders of those trying to prove the dangers of homo/transphobic rhetoric and inciteful language but rather on those who continue to propogate the hate and even those who seem to suggest that its not "representative" - because its representative of far, far too much already.

Now, do you ####### stand against Lt Patrick and Robertson and the millions that follow, or do you stand with it? No more middle ground.

 
Well, it rubs me the wrong way. :shrug:   50+ people are dead.  Straight or Gay that is a horrific headline.  Adding the Gay club makes it look like - "don't worry, its only the Gays that are being attacked".

At this point we don't know the motivation of the killer - we assume it was hate related, but I have not seen anything other than a report from his dad that he hated two guys kissing.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Well, it rubs me the wrong way. :shrug:   50+ people are dead.  Straight or Gay that is a horrific headline.  Adding the Gay club makes it look like - "don't worry, its only the Gays that are being attacked".

At this point we don't know the motivation of the killer - we assume it was hate related, but I have not seen anything other than a report from his dad that he hated two guys kissing.
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I dunno. If they don't mention that it was a gay bar, I can imagine there would be people upset that they didn't mention it. 

I think it's fine to leave it in the headline. I'm more concerned with using the word "terrorism" because that strongly implies a planned effort from a group like ISIS or al-Qaeda, rather than an act of a lone crazed individual. At this point we don't seem to have any idea if that's the case. 

 
Apparently, his parents lived about a mile from my house. Roads are shut down. They are investigated their house as well as his in Fort Pierce. Crazy.

 
Lines out down around corners and around buildings to give blood. Proud of the outpouring in Orlando and happy to call it my home.

— Zach Oliver (@ZachOliverNBA) June 12, 2016

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Guy makes a comment about motivations of this incident and you turn it around on Christians. Liberals have a funny way of practicing what they preach. 
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Some Liberal starts barking in every Islamic terrorism attack thread about Christians.  So nothing out of the ordinary here.

 
Reading about this story and I'm just numb to all this stuff. It is sickening and disgusting, but I basically expect some story like this on a weekly basis.

We have too many maniacs and too many guns, it's inevitable that they intersect frequently.

I also don't understand the hate people have for gays, then again, I'm not a lunatic... These peopleprob have their own sexual issues if I was guessing. 

 
I haven't been on this site in almost five months. But I couldn't resist taking a peek at how the denizens of the FFA would respond to 50 people at a gay club being mowed down by a Muslim.

Answer: Christians are bad.

Next up, the NRA and Donald Trump's "hateful rhetoric" will also be blamed. You people are certifiably f-ing insane. Back to retirement. Hasta nunca.

 
timschochet said:
I think it's fine to leave it in the headline. I'm more concerned with using the word "terrorism" because that strongly implies a planned effort from a group like ISIS or al-Qaeda, rather than an act of a lone crazed individual. At this point we don't seem to have any idea if that's the case. 
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The tricky part is that ISIS, AQ, and other organizations are happy to inspire lone crazed individuals to do their dirty work. Why train and financially support direct operatives when people just up and volunteer to cause the exact disruption you want to foment?

 
TPW said:
I haven't been on this site in almost five months. But I couldn't resist taking a peek at how the denizens of the FFA would respond to 50 people at a gay club being mowed down by a Muslim.

Answer: Christians are bad.

Next up, the NRA and Donald Trump's "hateful rhetoric" will also be blamed. You people are certifiably f-ing insane. Back to retirement. Hasta nunca.
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Hey buddy.  People are referring to Dan PAtrick and Pat Robertson's comments when referring to Christinas here.  Wouldnt expect you to be able to properly read and comprehend anything though

 
TPW said:
I haven't been on this site in almost five months. But I couldn't resist taking a peek at how the denizens of the FFA would respond to 50 people at a gay club being mowed down by a Muslim.

Answer: Christians are bad.

Next up, the NRA and Donald Trump's "hateful rhetoric" will also be blamed. You people are certifiably f-ing insane. Back to retirement. Hasta nunca.
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Have a nice life guy

 
timschochet said:
I dunno. If they don't mention that it was a gay bar, I can imagine there would be people upset that they didn't mention it. 

I think it's fine to leave it in the headline. I'm more concerned with using the word "terrorism" because that strongly implies a planned effort from a group like ISIS or al-Qaeda, rather than an act of a lone crazed individual. At this point we don't seem to have any idea if that's the case. 
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The guy has a "possible explosive device".  That is not your typical nut job.

 
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otb_lifer said:
place had to have been cased, and this was probably in the offing for awhile ... no one goes in willy-nilly and inflicts that kind of carnage on the spur of the moment.

reading that there was hostage situation before scumbag was killed, so there was most likely prior knowledge of exits, doorways, etc

####### sickening
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Looking forward to the next 3 months that you're gone 

 
TPW said:
I haven't been on this site in almost five months. But I couldn't resist taking a peek at how the denizens of the FFA would respond to 50 people at a gay club being mowed down by a Muslim.

Answer: Christians are bad.

Next up, the NRA and Donald Trump's "hateful rhetoric" will also be blamed. You people are certifiably f-ing insane. Back to retirement. Hasta nunca.
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Feel free to not pop in again with your inane comments the next time the country suffers a tragedy.  

Jackass.

 
TPW said:
I haven't been on this site in almost five months. But I couldn't resist taking a peek at how the denizens of the FFA would respond to 50 people at a gay club being mowed down by a Muslim.

Answer: Christians are bad.

Next up, the NRA and Donald Trump's "hateful rhetoric" will also be blamed. You people are certifiably f-ing insane. Back to retirement. Hasta nunca.
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Mass shootings have happened with:

Muslims with guns

Christians with guns

Jews with guns

White people with guns

Black people with guns

LGBT people with guns

Straight people with guns

Mentally ill people with guns

Evil people with guns

Kids with guns

Too bad we can't figure out the common denominator. 

 
No matter what your religious beliefs or political beliefs are, surely you can admit that as long as there are easily accessible weapons that have the power to kill scores of people in a short time, the possibility of these awful events exist.

 
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