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Mathews = Moreno - Receiving Skills? (1 Viewer)

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Bradford4Prez

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Both known for good vision and balance coming out of college. However, Moreno is more elusive and a better receiver out of the backfield.

Both classified as "Maxed Out" in Waldman's Rookie Scouting Portfolio.

Moreno is 5-11, 217. Mathews is 6-0, 218.

Both running backs drafted 1.12 by AFC West Teams.

Moreno received 247 carries and 28 catches. Mathews' coach projects him for 250 carries and 40 catches.

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Am I wrong?

 
It looks like you are right - Mathews ran a fast 40 time by about 0.15 seconds. But does that overcome his receiving deficiencies, as far as evaluating for an FF team?

 
The similarities end after the fact that they were both drafted with the 12th overall pick.

 
Bradford4Prez said:
It looks like you are right - Mathews ran a fast 40 time by about 0.15 seconds. But does that overcome his receiving deficiencies, as far as evaluating for an FF team?
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It really depends on your league and what you're looking for. He's not going to catch the ball 50 times per season, but neither are Adrian Peterson, Beanie Wells, Michael Turner, and Shonn Greene.Mathews should get 250-300 carries next season with potential for double digit TDs. That would most likely make him a top 10-15 RB. I see him as one of the few rookies in this FF class who can be plugged into a starting lineup immediately.
 
What NFL RB would people compare Mathews to from an evalation stand point?

Some say he is more like Shaun Alexander than LT. I haven't seen enough of him to say whether that comparison makes sense or not.

 
Bradford4Prez said:
It looks like you are right - Mathews ran a fast 40 time by about 0.15 seconds. But does that overcome his receiving deficiencies, as far as evaluating for an FF team?
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no one really knows if he has receiving deficiencies since fresno never threw to him. he looked pretty good at the combine catching the ball.Tomlinson wasn't thought of as a great receiving RB at the time he was drafted.Some teams schemes just don't use the RB as a receiver, it doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't be good at it if given the opportunity.
 
EBF said:
Bradford4Prez said:
It looks like you are right - Mathews ran a fast 40 time by about 0.15 seconds. But does that overcome his receiving deficiencies, as far as evaluating for an FF team?
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It really depends on your league and what you're looking for. He's not going to catch the ball 50 times per season, but neither are Adrian Peterson, Beanie Wells, Michael Turner, and Shonn Greene.Mathews should get 250-300 carries next season with potential for double digit TDs. That would most likely make him a top 10-15 RB. I see him as one of the few rookies in this FF class who can be plugged into a starting lineup immediately.
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Wouldn't be so sure about that.......I can see him catching 50 this year.
 
moderated, just based on the scouting reports coming out of college, Moreno appears to be a better receiving back. That said, you're absolutely right. There's nothing that proves Mathews can't catch lots of balls out of the backfield.

 
Donnybrook said:
What NFL RB would people compare Mathews to from an evalation stand point? Some say he is more like Shaun Alexander than LT. I haven't seen enough of him to say whether that comparison makes sense or not.
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It doesn't make sense for either. Matthews is a smarter inside runner than both. I'd say he's more like Edgerrin James.
 
I agree with EBF - Mathews is more athletic. They both have strong vision. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Mathews a bad receiver though...a little unrefined? Yes. Bad? Hmm...not sure about that. I wouldn't equate Mathews sytlistically to Moreno. I appreciate the effort you taking to draw conclusions to make a good pick between Mathews, Best, and Spiller but don't take Mathews label as "maxed out" as a bad thing. When you're the top rated runner with a high score, there's not much more he can climb.

 
Donnybrook said:
What NFL RB would people compare Mathews to from an evalation stand point?
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I've seen only YouTube highlight videos of him. But in those, his running style reminds me a lot of Tomlinson's. He's got that same jump cut. He's got the ability to change directions sharply at full speed. He seems to have the balance that Tomlinson used to have.At least occasionally. It's hard to tell from highlight clips whether he's at all consistent with any of that. But his stats indicate that he was at least consistently productive.Back to the original question, though, there's no RB he reminded me of as I watched his highlights nearly as much as he reminded me of Tomlinson.
 
Matt Waldman said:
I agree with EBF - Mathews is more athletic. They both have strong vision. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Mathews a bad receiver though...a little unrefined? Yes. Bad? Hmm...not sure about that. I wouldn't equate Mathews sytlistically to Moreno. I appreciate the effort you taking to draw conclusions to make a good pick between Mathews, Best, and Spiller but don't take Mathews label as "maxed out" as a bad thing. When you're the top rated runner with a high score, there's not much more he can climb.
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Moreno didn't look to have much vision to me. How many plays did he just run up the bum of an offensive lineman?
 
i actually do think ladainian is a very good comparison though comparing this guy to LT is laughable.

he should be very capable in the right situation but not a perennial star. he kind of reminds me of duce staley but idk if anyone would know who he is anymore

 
ADP said:
EBF said:
Bradford4Prez said:
It looks like you are right - Mathews ran a fast 40 time by about 0.15 seconds. But does that overcome his receiving deficiencies, as far as evaluating for an FF team?
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It really depends on your league and what you're looking for. He's not going to catch the ball 50 times per season, but neither are Adrian Peterson, Beanie Wells, Michael Turner, and Shonn Greene.Mathews should get 250-300 carries next season with potential for double digit TDs. That would most likely make him a top 10-15 RB. I see him as one of the few rookies in this FF class who can be plugged into a starting lineup immediately.
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Wouldn't be so sure about that.......I can see him catching 50 this year.
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I'd be shocked if he sniffs 50 this season w/ sproles there. When DS leaves, maybe.Depends on how he develops the rec. skills in the NFL.

 
lol...you got me...

i just mean...i want to say he reminds me of LT but i dont want to imply that i think hes going to be a lock for the hall of fame or even pro bowls

 
Chargers' RB coach Ollie Wilson compares Mathews' skills to Tomlinson's a bit in this interview. (The more interesting part of the interview, IMO, is when Wilson talks about evaluating Tomlinson versus Deuce McAllister in 1991 2001.)

 
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Truman said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Chargers' RB coach Ollie Wilson compares Mathews' skills to Tomlinson's a bit in this interview. (The more interesting part of the interview, IMO, is when Wilson talks about evaluating Tomlinson versus Deuce McAllister in 1991.)
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There's an eye for talent. They weren't even in High School when the Chargers were scouting them.
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Oh, yeah, I didn't think that date seemed right when I wrote it. I was a decade off.
 
I like Mathews, but I've never seen him make the kind of absurd cuts Tomlinson could make in his prime. See 3:04-3:30.

Not a lot of humans can do that. The only guy in this class with that kind of cutting ability is Jahvid Best and he's about 20 pounds lighter. What made LT special is that he had the burst/quickness/speed and pretty decent power/balance.

If I had to compare Mathews to an elite pro back I'd say he's a lot closer to Peterson than Tomlinson. Upright guy with good speed/power and just enough foot quickness to make people miss.

 
Truman said:
Donnybrook said:
What NFL RB would people compare Mathews to from an evalation stand point?

Some say he is more like Shaun Alexander than LT. I haven't seen enough of him to say whether that comparison makes sense or not.
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It doesn't make sense for either. Matthews is a smarter inside runner than both. I'd say he's more like Edgerrin James.
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:lol: all things being equal, Mathews situation SD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreno in Denver.

better offense,Qb, WR's, TE, o-line,MUCH better coaching staff..

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Chargers' RB coach Ollie Wilson compares Mathews' skills to Tomlinson's a bit in this interview. (The more interesting part of the interview, IMO, is when Wilson talks about evaluating Tomlinson versus Deuce McAllister in 1991 2001.)
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very interesting interview. Guy knows RB's and seemed ecstatic that they were able to get him.The fact that SD moved up and paid a bunch to secure him is all i need to know. The kid is going to be real good.

 
I think that the comparison between Mathews and Moreno is a good one. They are both slightly above average RBs that fell into good situations for a rookie RB. I targetted Wells last year, and I will target Spiller this year.(although not real high on any RB) If I had the #1 pick in either year, I would not select Moreno or Mathews. I thin that they will both be successful RBs in the NFL, but with the #1 pick I am looking for the next great RB to carry my team for a few years. I don't think that either one has that ability. They are both very safe picks, and should be quality starters, but I am looking for the HR.

Just my :2cents:

 
Domination said:
I think that the comparison between Mathews and Moreno is a good one. They are both slightly above average RBs that fell into good situations for a rookie RB. I targetted Wells last year, and I will target Spiller this year.(although not real high on any RB) If I had the #1 pick in either year, I would not select Moreno or Mathews. I thin that they will both be successful RBs in the NFL, but with the #1 pick I am looking for the next great RB to carry my team for a few years. I don't think that either one has that ability. They are both very safe picks, and should be quality starters, but I am looking for the HR.Just my :coffee:
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If you want to reach for the fences and a HR go for Jahvid Best.If your league rewards return men...go for Spiller.
 
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