Mathews On Short Leash (1 Viewer)

[zandbak]

So glad I don't own him this year. His owners are always hopeful because the guy has talent but they also cringe every time he gets tackled. I've been there, I know how it feels. Sorry.

Thanks for contribution nothing.

 

[zandbak]

Chargers 0-2 in games when Mathews gets the majority of carries.

Not getting any better. At what point do they go back to Jackie Battle for a spark?

Could you be a bigger troll in this thread?

He's a troll on the entire forum. He never posts anything relevant to any thread and spends a majority of his time trying to rile up owners with bait posts. And he's been doing it for years. Embarrassing.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

So glad I don't own him this year. His owners are always hopeful because the guy has talent but they also cringe every time he gets tackled. I've been there, I know how it feels. Sorry.

Thanks for contribution nothing.

T & P's brne thing's for sure, the glass is half full at Rotoworld when it comes to Mathews. They openly root for the guy.

Ryan Mathews set a career-high with 16 first-half touches in Monday's loss to the Broncos.Even though he lost a lot of third-down snaps to Ronnie Brown, Mathews was a workhorse and just missed a fistful of big plays. Perhaps most importantly, he hasn't fumbled since Week 3, is clearly back in the good graces of the coaching staff and is healthy. "I'm reading the holes well," Mathews said afterward. "I'm blocking well and receiving well and taking care of the ball well. I just have to do a better job of staying on my feet when I see daylight." He'll be a strong RB1 when the Chargers come out of their bye.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Ok, maybe I overreacted...I'm hopeful BECAUSE I NEED TO BE- LOL -and I hope you guys are right in being more positive but at this point I have zero trust in him. Comparing him to McCoy is laughable. He's a bust at this point, real world, almost there in fantasy. It's those crucial situations that translate into fantasy point accumulation. If SD doesn't even like their own back how are we to? Norv Turner is the worst, should've been fired long ago. But at this point he's there and so is Mathews and that's that. SO as RM "owners" we hope he gains some yards in the middle of the game on 1st and 2nd down, collect our little points and call him great or even good? A projected top 6 back? I also don't know how good he passes the plain old eye test. I saw him run straight into Champ Bailey, saw him go down easier than than a sack of potatoes, saw him NOT make and convincing jukes or feints that could've led to big gains, saw him get arm tackled quite easily... if the hole is big he looks pretty good when running free, la-di- freakin-da.

 

[AngryPatriot]

And another thing, this bizarre father/adolescent son dysfunctional, co-dependant, crybaby relationship between Turner and Rivers is embarrassing for the whole team. The GM, Turner and Phillips all need to go and like yesterday.

 

[kyoun1e]

Have a feeling that post bye R. Brown is out as the third down back.

Could see this as part of their master plan:

Step 1: Punish him. Make him hungry.

Step 2: Begin giving him 50% of carries.

Step 3: Give him lion's share, but hold back just a little.

Step 4: Give him the whole load after the bye.

And if step 4 wasn't part of the original plan, it may be now after this loss.

KY

 

[shadyridr]

Have a feeling that post bye R. Brown is out as the third down back.Could see this as part of their master plan:Step 1: Punish him. Make him hungry.Step 2: Begin giving him 50% of carries.Step 3: Give him lion's share, but hold back just a little.Step 4: Give him the whole load after the bye.And if step 4 wasn't part of the original plan, it may be now after this loss. KY

Their master plan should be winning games

 

[donkshow]

Have a feeling that post bye R. Brown is out as the third down back.Could see this as part of their master plan:Step 1: Punish him. Make him hungry.Step 2: Begin giving him 50% of carries.Step 3: Give him lion's share, but hold back just a little.Step 4: Give him the whole load after the bye.And if step 4 wasn't part of the original plan, it may be now after this loss. KY

 

[John 14:6]

Have a feeling that post bye R. Brown is out as the third down back.Could see this as part of their master plan:Step 1: Punish him. Make him hungry.Step 2: Begin giving him 50% of carries.Step 3: Give him lion's share, but hold back just a little.Step 4: Give him the whole load after the bye.And if step 4 wasn't part of the original plan, it may be now after this loss. KY

Their master plan should be winning games

Yeah, when are they going to start punishing Rivers?

 

[FF Ninja]

Have a feeling that post bye R. Brown is out as the third down back.Could see this as part of their master plan:Step 1: Punish him. Make him hungry.Step 2: Begin giving him 50% of carries.Step 3: Give him lion's share, but hold back just a little.Step 4: Give him the whole load after the bye.And if step 4 wasn't part of the original plan, it may be now after this loss. KY

I'm highly invested in Mathews, but this sounds like wishful thinking. Brown has been effective and Mathews is getting a substantial workload as is. As nice as a few extra receptions or the coveted 10 yard runs on 3rd and 20 would be, I see no incentive for the Chargers to move away from Brown being in on 3rd downs.To say Mathews might be in on the no huddle after the bye would make sense, though. Seeing him on the sidelines during the critical moments of the game is laughable.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Have a feeling that post bye R. Brown is out as the third down back.Could see this as part of their master plan:Step 1: Punish him. Make him hungry.Step 2: Begin giving him 50% of carries.Step 3: Give him lion's share, but hold back just a little.Step 4: Give him the whole load after the bye.And if step 4 wasn't part of the original plan, it may be now after this loss. KY

Their master plan should be winning games

Yeah, when are they going to start punishing Rivers?

still waiting for AJ smith to come out and say "you will be someone else's interception thrower"

 

[kyoun1e]

Have a feeling that post bye R. Brown is out as the third down back.Could see this as part of their master plan:Step 1: Punish him. Make him hungry.Step 2: Begin giving him 50% of carries.Step 3: Give him lion's share, but hold back just a little.Step 4: Give him the whole load after the bye.And if step 4 wasn't part of the original plan, it may be now after this loss. KY

I'm highly invested in Mathews, but this sounds like wishful thinking. Brown has been effective and Mathews is getting a substantial workload as is. As nice as a few extra receptions or the coveted 10 yard runs on 3rd and 20 would be, I see no incentive for the Chargers to move away from Brown being in on 3rd downs.To say Mathews might be in on the no huddle after the bye would make sense, though. Seeing him on the sidelines during the critical moments of the game is laughable.

I'd say their incentive is to get the ball in the hands who could take it to the house at any time.Brown isn't that guy.And Brown certainly isn't a better receiver than Mathews.What SHOULD happen is Battle gives Mathews a breather on short yardage here and there and Brown does the same by rotating in on 3rd down's here and there.KY

 

[FF Ninja]

I'd say their incentive is to get the ball in the hands who could take it to the house at any time.Brown isn't that guy.And Brown certainly isn't a better receiver than Mathews.What SHOULD happen is Battle gives Mathews a breather on short yardage here and there and Brown does the same by rotating in on 3rd down's here and there.KY

Believe me, it would be nice for my fantasy teams if this were to occur, but Mathews is getting plenty of touches. He got 26 last night. If we're going to b**** and whine about something, it should be his usage. Those predictable 1st and 10 runs right up the gut weren't fooling anyone. And the screens were sniffed out quickly as well. If he'd gotten 22 carries against New Orleans that would've been awesome and no one would be worried about him getting 3rd down receptions. Even with the early shenanigans, he's still on a 16 game pace of 232 carries and 68 receptions. If these touches are better planned and he's well rested due to the relief on third downs, then we Mathews owners should and will be a happy bunch.I'm not even sure this is worth talking to you about because you've got your Mathews owner homer glasses on, but Brown has done a very good job catching the ball in his career. He's caught 204 of 259 targets for an 8.2 ypr average. This year he's caught 20 of 21 targets for 8.6 ypr. Mathews has caught 89 of 108 for an 8.2 career ypr. From an organizational standpoint, I see no incentive to go away from Brown here.I'll say again, the only change that needs to happen is Mathews' involvement in the no huddle. If he is getting 20 carries and 4 receptions a game then we've got nothing to complain about. Would we like Brown's 3-4 carries and 3-4 receptions? Sure, but that's silly. Nobody here drafted Mathews expecting him to get 90%+ of the RB touches. In this day and age, 75% is awesome.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

You would figure that it's time to send a message to Rivers, right?

Anyways.... regarding Brown as the 3rd down back. He has been very average. He doesn't have game breaking ability after the catch, and he isn't as good of a blocker as Mathews. I really don't get it. I saw him miss quite a few blocks, and he catches it in the open field and the defense closes in on him way too fast. He just doesn't have the explosiveness to be a 3rd down back, imo.

 

[DiStefano]

I'd say their incentive is to get the ball in the hands who could take it to the house at any time.Brown isn't that guy.And Brown certainly isn't a better receiver than Mathews.What SHOULD happen is Battle gives Mathews a breather on short yardage here and there and Brown does the same by rotating in on 3rd down's here and there.KY

Believe me, it would be nice for my fantasy teams if this were to occur, but Mathews is getting plenty of touches. He got 26 last night. If we're going to b**** and whine about something, it should be his usage. Those predictable 1st and 10 runs right up the gut weren't fooling anyone. And the screens were sniffed out quickly as well. If he'd gotten 22 carries against New Orleans that would've been awesome and no one would be worried about him getting 3rd down receptions. Even with the early shenanigans, he's still on a 16 game pace of 232 carries and 68 receptions. If these touches are better planned and he's well rested due to the relief on third downs, then we Mathews owners should and will be a happy bunch.I'm not even sure this is worth talking to you about because you've got your Mathews owner homer glasses on, but Brown has done a very good job catching the ball in his career. He's caught 204 of 259 targets for an 8.2 ypr average. This year he's caught 20 of 21 targets for 8.6 ypr. Mathews has caught 89 of 108 for an 8.2 career ypr. From an organizational standpoint, I see no incentive to go away from Brown here.I'll say again, the only change that needs to happen is Mathews' involvement in the no huddle. If he is getting 20 carries and 4 receptions a game then we've got nothing to complain about. Would we like Brown's 3-4 carries and 3-4 receptions? Sure, but that's silly. Nobody here drafted Mathews expecting him to get 90%+ of the RB touches. In this day and age, 75% is awesome.

I think the Charger's play calling was abysmal last night. Perfectly predictable on first down, which allowed Denver to crowd the line of scrimmage. How long will it be before they fire Norv Turner's ###?

 

[FF Ninja]

Will a new coach really help that much? Sure, Norv's play calling looked horrible last night but Mathews was pretty productive under Norv last year and he's been fine this year. Plus, Norv sounded very committed to Mathews in the offseason and that confidence seems to be restored. He's typically a pretty decent offensive mind. I think we'd be best served if Norv finishes the season. From here on out, I expect an average of 20 carries and 4 receptions. Likely in the neighborhood of 4.5 ypc and 8 ypr. The only real question is the goal line work. That'll be the critical difference between top 5 RB and pure domination. But maybe that's just wishful thinking and last night is a sign of things to come. Either way, 26 Ryan Mathews' touches isn't going to sink anyone's team Chris Johnson style.

 

[kyoun1e]

You would figure that it's time to send a message to Rivers, right?Anyways.... regarding Brown as the 3rd down back. He has been very average. He doesn't have game breaking ability after the catch, and he isn't as good of a blocker as Mathews. I really don't get it. I saw him miss quite a few blocks, and he catches it in the open field and the defense closes in on him way too fast. He just doesn't have the explosiveness to be a 3rd down back, imo.

Exactly.Brown doesn't have game breaking ability. Certainly not anymore.Mathews does.Does that mean give Mathews ALL the touches?No.Sure. Sprinkle some R. Brown in there. Keep Mathews fresh. Maybe a little more than fresh. Fine.But for the love of god, having R. Brown as a permanent fixture in the 3rd down role works against the team's primary objective.That objective would be......winning the damn game.KY

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers is getting crushed from coast to coast today.

Hopefully that leads to him being more conscious about taking care of the ball, which in turn leads to more checkdown passes to our boy.

 

[krugoh]

Rivers is getting crushed from coast to coast today.Hopefully that leads to him being more conscious about taking care of the ball, which in turn leads to more checkdown passes to our boy.

You are my favorite/most tolerable raiders fan

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers is getting crushed from coast to coast today.Hopefully that leads to him being more conscious about taking care of the ball, which in turn leads to more checkdown passes to our boy.

You are my favorite/most tolerable raiders fan

Why thank you.And right on cue, Norv said this today.

“Yes, we are going to limit some things we’re doing, and I’ve got to do a better job and make sure we put things in there, and then we’re calling things that have less risk,” said Turner, who calls the plays in games and works with the offense in practice. “They may not have as big of a reward. We may not be quite the same big-play team, but we’re not going to turn the ball over.”

I see ten grabs per game from Mathews.

 

[Nucker101]

Rivers is getting crushed from coast to coast today.

Hopefully that leads to him being more conscious about taking care of the ball, which in turn leads to more checkdown passes to our boy.

I think this will definitely be the case. Mathews will be great in PPR leagues, only thing that hurts is that Ronnie Brown still sees plenty of third down action. I can live with it though. Funny thing is that he fractured his clavicle on August 9th and his ADP fell, making him a 2nd, usually a third round pick in most 12 team leagues. I'd say that's pretty good value as long as your team isn't sitting at just 0 or 1 wins at this point. Hardly the "bust" everyone claims him to be.

 

[Nucker101]

Rivers is getting crushed from coast to coast today.Hopefully that leads to him being more conscious about taking care of the ball, which in turn leads to more checkdown passes to our boy.

You are my favorite/most tolerable raiders fan

Why thank you.And right on cue, Norv said this today.

“Yes, we are going to limit some things we’re doing, and I’ve got to do a better job and make sure we put things in there, and then we’re calling things that have less risk,” said Turner, who calls the plays in games and works with the offense in practice. “They may not have as big of a reward. We may not be quite the same big-play team, but we’re not going to turn the ball over.”

I see ten grabs per game from Mathews.

Maybe not 10, but I'd be happy with 5-7 catches in most games from here on out.

 

[donkshow]

Better news, all the time!

 

[flapgreen]

Rivers is getting crushed from coast to coast today.Hopefully that leads to him being more conscious about taking care of the ball, which in turn leads to more checkdown passes to our boy.

You are my favorite/most tolerable raiders fan

Why thank you.And right on cue, Norv said this today.

“Yes, we are going to limit some things we’re doing, and I’ve got to do a better job and make sure we put things in there, and then we’re calling things that have less risk,” said Turner, who calls the plays in games and works with the offense in practice. “They may not have as big of a reward. We may not be quite the same big-play team, but we’re not going to turn the ball over.”

I see ten grabs per game from Mathews.

I can't make anything out of that quote. Sounds like he's covering his ###

 

[Raider Nation]

"We may not be quite the same big-play team" = "I will not allow Philip to throw the ball up for grabs 40 yards downfield."

More dump-offs. You'll see.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Rivers is getting crushed from coast to coast today.Hopefully that leads to him being more conscious about taking care of the ball, which in turn leads to more checkdown passes to our boy.

You are my favorite/most tolerable raiders fan

Why thank you.And right on cue, Norv said this today.

“Yes, we are going to limit some things we’re doing, and I’ve got to do a better job and make sure we put things in there, and then we’re calling things that have less risk,” said Turner, who calls the plays in games and works with the offense in practice. “They may not have as big of a reward. We may not be quite the same big-play team, but we’re not going to turn the ball over.”

I see ten grabs per game from Mathews.

I can't make anything out of that quote. Sounds like he's covering his ###

They're going to do lots of different things with things.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Slightly off topic but I'm debating dropping Rivers entirely and rolling with the WW flavor of the week for the remainder. A scaled back Rivers makes zero sense, historically his deep ball is/was his bread and butter. Nothing good can come from any of this, aside from the fact that I own Mathews on the same team.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Rivers is getting crushed from coast to coast today.Hopefully that leads to him being more conscious about taking care of the ball, which in turn leads to more checkdown passes to our boy.

You are my favorite/most tolerable raiders fan

Why thank you.And right on cue, Norv said this today.

“Yes, we are going to limit some things we’re doing, and I’ve got to do a better job and make sure we put things in there, and then we’re calling things that have less risk,” said Turner, who calls the plays in games and works with the offense in practice. “They may not have as big of a reward. We may not be quite the same big-play team, but we’re not going to turn the ball over.”

I see ten grabs per game from Mathews.

Ever heard of Gates? That is who you should target to get for after the bye

 

[Banger]

anyone buying Matthews? He's got a SWEET schedule and I think they are going to reign Rivers in and start giving the ball to their best player. I think I'm going to make a strong pitch for him while he's on the bye.

 

[Clifford]

Trying. Offered Sproles+Britt but that probably won't get it done.

 

[Islanders rule]

And another thing, this bizarre father/adolescent son dysfunctional, co-dependant, crybaby relationship between Turner and Rivers is embarrassing for the whole team. The GM, Turner and Phillips all need to go and like yesterday.

Agreed. Turner is a CLOWN!

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Believe me, it would be nice for my fantasy teams if this were to occur, but Mathews is getting plenty of touches. He got 26 last night. If we're going to b**** and whine about something, it should be his usage. Those predictable 1st and 10 runs right up the gut weren't fooling anyone. And the screens were sniffed out quickly as well. If he'd gotten 22 carries against New Orleans that would've been awesome and no one would be worried about him getting 3rd down receptions. Even with the early shenanigans, he's still on a 16 game pace of 232 carries and 68 receptions. If these touches are better planned and he's well rested due to the relief on third downs, then we Mathews owners should and will be a happy bunch.I'm not even sure this is worth talking to you about because you've got your Mathews owner homer glasses on, but Brown has done a very good job catching the ball in his career. He's caught 204 of 259 targets for an 8.2 ypr average. This year he's caught 20 of 21 targets for 8.6 ypr. Mathews has caught 89 of 108 for an 8.2 career ypr. From an organizational standpoint, I see no incentive to go away from Brown here.I'll say again, the only change that needs to happen is Mathews' involvement in the no huddle. If he is getting 20 carries and 4 receptions a game then we've got nothing to complain about. Would we like Brown's 3-4 carries and 3-4 receptions? Sure, but that's silly. Nobody here drafted Mathews expecting him to get 90%+ of the RB touches. In this day and age, 75% is awesome.

Very Nice work.

 

[AngryPatriot]

On one hand, yes, 75% is great but on the other I don't see the "right" 75% if that makes any sense... crucial points in the game, when touchdowns are needed, RM is not in there. So he has to break a big 1st or 2nd down run to get into the end zone? That's tough but doable I suppose, not sure how reliable if at all that will be. There's an overall toxicity to the whole situation at this point, or overall lack of confidence, call it what you will. The fact that they don't lean on him, mixed with him going down too easily and not being used much in the red zone, and having a psycho QB with a wishy-washy head coach... is not very heartening.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Looks like he hasn't learned his lesson yet.

 

[Skeetcher]

Looks like he hasn't learned his lesson yet.

It's Jackie BATTLE time again!

 

[joffer]

i was worried when i saw the fumble, but it looks like he was back in on the next series

any indications that AJ was publically pissed off again? any danger of a repeat of a few weeks back when Battle started without anyone knowing?

 

[Mile High]

i was worried when i saw the fumble, but it looks like he was back in on the next seriesany indications that AJ was publically pissed off again? any danger of a repeat of a few weeks back when Battle started without anyone knowing?

They blew a 24 point lead to Denver and only scored 6 points after the bye week against Cleveland. AJ and Norv have more pressing matters (updating their resumes) right now.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

They play KC. At home. So I am hoping for like 8 pts in PPR.

 

[VikingFrog]

Thursday nights have not done me well. I don't expect this one to be any different.

 

[sammy8887]

i was worried when i saw the fumble, but it looks like he was back in on the next seriesany indications that AJ was publically pissed off again? any danger of a repeat of a few weeks back when Battle started without anyone knowing?

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/oct/28/notebook-bolts-stick-mathews-wright-not-ready/

 

[strong]

no news is good news, right?

who are people starting mathews over out there? anyone sitting him?

 

[John 14:6]

no news is good news, right?who are people starting mathews over out there? anyone sitting him?

Right now I have him in with McFadden over McGahee. Still debating though...

 

[Phenix]

Looks like he hasn't learned his lesson yet.

It's Jackie BATTLE time again!

It was in pouring rain, and Mathews is the only bright spot in that offense. He should get more carries, not benched for Battle. lol Its a joke to think Battle would start over him, hence, why Norv is probably leaving town.ETA: Maybe if he focused on giving RM the ball more he would not be on the hot seat.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Looks like he hasn't learned his lesson yet.

It's Jackie BATTLE time again!

It was in pouring rain, and Mathews is the only bright spot in that offense. He should get more carries, not benched for Battle. lol Its a joke to think Battle would start over him, hence, why Norv is probably leaving town.ETA: Maybe if he focused on giving RM the ball more he would not be on the hot seat.

He had 28 carries/targets last week, tied for second most of all RBs. I think what you meant to say is SD should actually play RM more. He saw the field 57% of the time (39 snaps) compared to Brown's 39% (27 snaps). A 1.4:1 snap to carry/target ratio is rather insane. Imagine how many touches he'd have if Brown wasn't the hurry up/no-huddle guy?Also, Norv openly stated he had no choice but to continue to feed RM after he fumbled last week..

Coach Norv Turner acknowledged after Sunday's loss that the Chargers stuck with Ryan Mathews despite his first-quarter fumble because they need Mathews in order to turn their season around.

Mathews has job security; they're not turning back to Jackie Battle. "The ball got away from him," Turner said. "We need Ryan to be a big part of this. We need to continue to have him have success." The Chargers are still pulling Mathews on the majority of passing downs in favor of Ronnie Brown. Brown racked up seven receptions in Week 8. San Diego faces Kansas City next.

I'm facing him tonight. Looking at those stats and the match up, I'm totally expecting him to drop a 30 burger on me.

 

[shadyridr]

still not understanding the Ronnie Brown infatuation. Its mind-boggling. I understand Mathews cant get every snap but to take him out on every single two minute drive is odd.

 

[GroveDiesel]

still not understanding the Ronnie Brown infatuation. Its mind-boggling. I understand Mathews cant get every snap but to take him out on every single two minute drive is odd.

Especially since they have yet to have any success in their two minute drill. Have they even scored at all while running their 2 minute offense?

 

[Raider Nation]

Football version of a c-tease. He's nothing special and never will be.

 

[SameSongNDance]

He came up limping on his last carry. I think he has all the talent in the world but man can he not dodge the injury bug.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

It is too the point where I am contemplating starting Ronnie Brown over Matthews in PPR.

 

[flapgreen]

Norv and AJ will be gone after this season, so we will see what Mathews is really made of next year.