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Mathews On Short Leash (2 Viewers)

He finally looked good, breaking off a good run after a horrible missed tackle.

Brown still averaging more yards per touch tonight, though. :P

 
Brown actually does look very good. I'm seeing flashes of MIA Brown. I used to love watching him, he was my favorite RB for a stint.

I'm not taking anything away from Mathews here but Brown is impressing me.

 
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Update:

Brown: 10 touches for 71 yards tonight (7.1 yards per touch)

Mathews: 15 touches for 72 yards tonight (4.8 yards per touch)

:popcorn:

 
'SameSongNDance said:
Brown actually does look very good. I'm seeing flashes of MIA Brown. I used to love watching him, he was my favorite RB for a stint.I'm not taking anything away from Mathews here but Brown is impressing me.
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Yep. Ribbing aside, and leaving Mathews out of it for a minute, Brown does look surprisingly good. And quick.
 
'flapgreen said:
'Just Win Baby said:
'urbanhack said:
'Just Win Baby said:
'Ghost Rider said:
He finally looked good, breaking off a good run after a horrible missed tackle. Brown still averaging more yards per touch tonight, though. :P
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Yeah, keep clinging to that...
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update?
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Watch the game. Mathews is a stud RB. Brown is not. Period.
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You're alone for a reason on this one.
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Yeah, sure. I'm alone in thinking Mathews is a stud RB and Ronnie Brown is not. Great point. You're just making yourself look stupid here.
 
I am pretty sure he meant that watching tonight's game as some sort of proof that Mathews is a stud RB doesn't wash. And it doesn't. If Mathews has looked like a stud RB tonight, so has Ronnie Brown.

 
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'Ghost Rider said:
I am pretty sure he meant that watching tonight's game as some sort of proof that Mathews is a stud RB doesn't wash. And it doesn't. If Mathews has looked like a stud RB tonight, so has Ronnie Brown.
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Both of you and anyone else with this perspective is either (a) stupid, (b) trolling Chargers fans, or (c.) stupid.So, which is it?

 
Ah. At least that explains you thinking Mathews has looked like a stud RB tonight.

But hey, maybe he can rack up some garbage yards here late. :thumbup: :thumbup:

 
Ronnie Brown and Jackie Battle are decent parts while Mathews is a top 10 RB with the ball in his hands. the offense is much more dangerous when he gets the ball in open space yet Ronnie Brown is the one featured in open space mostly. boggles the mind, usage is the only thing holding him back from a fantasy monster which makes it incredibly frustrating

 
'hines said:
Ronnie Brown and Jackie Battle are decent parts while Mathews is a top 10 RB with the ball in his hands. the offense is much more dangerous when he gets the ball in open space yet Ronnie Brown is the one featured in open space mostly. boggles the mind, usage is the only thing holding him back from a fantasy monster which makes it incredibly frustrating
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They waste the screens on Ronnie Brown for some reason. Why not get Matthews in on those and at least give him an opportunity for a big play. Like you said. So frustrating.
 
Norv won't have much to smile about the next 5 weeks. TB, DEN, BAL, CIN & PIT up next. This thread won't die because Norv doesn't know how to use the best player on his team.

 
After Mathews' 31 yard carry at the end of the 3rd he received just 3 more carries for 9 yards.

That run must have been too explosive for Norv's liking.

 
What it comes down to is that there just isn't a lot less fantasy value in this team as a whole. Gates is statistically a back-end TE2, Rivers was the 31rst QB in PPG over the past three weeks before this game, Brown is getting receptions but god help you if you have to rely on him, Mathews' talent is being squandered and Floyd isn't even statistically a WR3 on a PPG basis. Once you take a step back you realize that you really just want no part of this team aside for their DST when they play KC, apparently.

 
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'SameSongNDance said:
What it comes down to is that there just isn't a lot less fantasy value in this team as a whole. Gates is statistically a back-end TE2, Rivers was the 31rst QB in PPG over the past three weeks before this game, Brown is getting receptions but god help you if you have to rely on him, Mathews' talent is being squandered and Floyd isn't even statistically a WR3 on a PPG basis. Once you take a step back you realize that you really just want no part of this team aside for their DST when they play KC, apparently.
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TE has been a wasteland this year. Gates is still a low end TE1 IMO.
 
'shadyridr said:
Im hoping that 30 yd run was enough to sell him for whatever I can get
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ah, the classic sell low strategy. it isn't fully true this team isn't providing much fantasy value, they are getting plenty of pts for their RB's it's just Brown gets 8 and Mathews 13 instead of Mathews getting 17 and Brown 4 like we all expected. a slight change in usage and he would be a top 5 back like we all expected. I don't think anyone saw this kind of point robbing split coming, no one would have been shocked if he didn't get goal line carries but he's one of the best receiving backs in the game taking away one of his strengths is such glaringly bad coaching we didn't expect it. but as long as it continues he's more of a high end RB2 and not a RB1
 
'hines said:
'shadyridr said:
Im hoping that 30 yd run was enough to sell him for whatever I can get
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ah, the classic sell low strategy. it isn't fully true this team isn't providing much fantasy value, they are getting plenty of pts for their RB's it's just Brown gets 8 and Mathews 13 instead of Mathews getting 17 and Brown 4 like we all expected. a slight change in usage and he would be a top 5 back like we all expected. I don't think anyone saw this kind of point robbing split coming, no one would have been shocked if he didn't get goal line carries but he's one of the best receiving backs in the game taking away one of his strengths is such glaringly bad coaching we didn't expect it. but as long as it continues he's more of a high end RB2 and not a RB1
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He's a high-end nothing.
 
It's pretty sad when you're contemplating benching this guy for JStew who has done NOTHING thus far either.

 
'hines said:
'shadyridr said:
Im hoping that 30 yd run was enough to sell him for whatever I can get
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ah, the classic sell low strategy. it isn't fully true this team isn't providing much fantasy value, they are getting plenty of pts for their RB's it's just Brown gets 8 and Mathews 13 instead of Mathews getting 17 and Brown 4 like we all expected. a slight change in usage and he would be a top 5 back like we all expected. I don't think anyone saw this kind of point robbing split coming, no one would have been shocked if he didn't get goal line carries but he's one of the best receiving backs in the game taking away one of his strengths is such glaringly bad coaching we didn't expect it. but as long as it continues he's more of a high end RB2 and not a RB1
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the usage doesnt look like its changing anytime soon. So Id suggest selling him for a believer ASAP. I agree hes an RB2
 
'hines said:
'shadyridr said:
Im hoping that 30 yd run was enough to sell him for whatever I can get
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ah, the classic sell low strategy. it isn't fully true this team isn't providing much fantasy value, they are getting plenty of pts for their RB's it's just Brown gets 8 and Mathews 13 instead of Mathews getting 17 and Brown 4 like we all expected. a slight change in usage and he would be a top 5 back like we all expected. I don't think anyone saw this kind of point robbing split coming, no one would have been shocked if he didn't get goal line carries but he's one of the best receiving backs in the game taking away one of his strengths is such glaringly bad coaching we didn't expect it. but as long as it continues he's more of a high end RB2 and not a RB1
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What's this 13 you speak of? Matthews has had that many points in exactly 1 game this year.
 
'shadyridr said:
'SameSongNDance said:
What it comes down to is that there just isn't a lot less fantasy value in this team as a whole. Gates is statistically a back-end TE2, Rivers was the 31rst QB in PPG over the past three weeks before this game, Brown is getting receptions but god help you if you have to rely on him, Mathews' talent is being squandered and Floyd isn't even statistically a WR3 on a PPG basis. Once you take a step back you realize that you really just want no part of this team aside for their DST when they play KC, apparently.
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TE has been a wasteland this year. Gates is still a low end TE1 IMO.
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PPG he's in the low-end/mid-range TE2 mark. After this game, he'll sneak into the high-end TE2 slot.
 
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'moderated said:
Mathews is averaging 94 total YPG, reading this thread you'd think he was doing nothing.
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4.43 YPC when being used almost exclusively on downs that the defense expects a run is not bad at all. He is not getting the goal line work, the passing down work or even all of the remaining work. The problem with Mathews this year is not his performance but how he is being used.
 
'fruity pebbles said:
'hines said:
'shadyridr said:
Im hoping that 30 yd run was enough to sell him for whatever I can get
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ah, the classic sell low strategy. it isn't fully true this team isn't providing much fantasy value, they are getting plenty of pts for their RB's it's just Brown gets 8 and Mathews 13 instead of Mathews getting 17 and Brown 4 like we all expected. a slight change in usage and he would be a top 5 back like we all expected. I don't think anyone saw this kind of point robbing split coming, no one would have been shocked if he didn't get goal line carries but he's one of the best receiving backs in the game taking away one of his strengths is such glaringly bad coaching we didn't expect it. but as long as it continues he's more of a high end RB2 and not a RB1
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What's this 13 you speak of? Matthews has had that many points in exactly 1 game this year.
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was talking about his average, he's averaged 13.3 for me
 
'RBM said:
Didn't see the game; why only 13 carries?
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They only ran I think 46 offensive plays which obviously limits his usage. On top of that Ronnie Brown was getting almost all of the passing down work plus some other snaps. Battle remains the short yardage back and perhaps the lead garbage time back. I really looks like Norv is going to keep this type of split going forward. It reminds me of how Thomas Jones was used in KC a few years back.
 
Donald Brown is a better start, thats all we need to know. WHAT A BUST!! At least until this point and at least according to his high 1st round ADP, yes he is a bust. There are thousands, including myself and various so-called "experts", who cling to the promise and hope of yesterday. I saw 4 or 5 ranking that had him in the top 4... and for weeks on end! lol He's hardly startable at this point, thats the reality. Battle and Brown, holy smokes, that's unbelievable.

 
'AngryPatriot said:
Donald Brown is a better start, thats all we need to know. WHAT A BUST!! At least until this point and at least according to his high 1st round ADP, yes he is a bust. There are thousands, including myself and various so-called "experts", who cling to the promise and hope of yesterday. I saw 4 or 5 ranking that had him in the top 4... and for weeks on end! lol He's hardly startable at this point, thats the reality. Battle and Brown, holy smokes, that's unbelievable.
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what are you talking about? Brown's best game does not equal Mathews average
 
'AngryPatriot said:
Donald Brown is a better start, thats all we need to know. WHAT A BUST!! At least until this point and at least according to his high 1st round ADP, yes he is a bust. There are thousands, including myself and various so-called "experts", who cling to the promise and hope of yesterday. I saw 4 or 5 ranking that had him in the top 4... and for weeks on end! lol He's hardly startable at this point, thats the reality. Battle and Brown, holy smokes, that's unbelievable.
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Donald brown. I think u meant ronnie brown. Either way....
 
Very disappointing in what should have been one of his top games. So really, the only game he was worth #### to his owners was the night he tore up the historically bad Saints D

 
The Matthews owners drafted him 1.04 if thedraft was before the preseason injury. Brown was snagged by everyone off waiver wire. Hilarious to see the Matthews owners defending this turd given how much Battle and Brown have made Matthews the 2nd worst 1st round pick after CJ.

Remember when this wad the year Matthews was going to be the uber stud now that Tolbert was gone? :lmao:

 
'Sweetness_34 said:
The Matthews owners drafted him 1.04 if thedraft was before the preseason injury. Brown was snagged by everyone off waiver wire. Hilarious to see the Matthews owners defending this turd given how much Battle and Brown have made Matthews the 2nd worst 1st round pick after CJ.Remember when this wad the year Matthews was going to be the uber stud now that Tolbert was gone? :lmao:
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people calling Mathews a turd simply haven't been watching the games. there is zero problem with his performance, people who drafted him expected him to play at this level (4.3 YPC while basically running plunges behind a poor line) it is 100% bad coaching and hilariously bad usage. attacking Mathews and Mathews owners is dumb unless you predicted the Chargers would heavily feature Jackie Battle and Ronnie Brown for reasons that are hard to figure
 
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final point on the night, I do think if the person in your league is near as disgusted as some of the people are in here it's time to buy for cheap. Don't expect him to be a top 5 back, thank Norv for that. but right now he is in the low teens in PPG, but I absolutely expect that to rise. tonight he didn't get the ball that much due to the 2 defensive TDs and the Chiefs holding the ball forever (Chargers ran under 50 plays). the previous 2 weeks he carried the ball 22 and 24 times so clearly they still think handing the ball to Mathews is the #1 part of their offense. he has only scored 1 TD on the season so his numbers have basically come purely from yardage. I don't expect his YPC, catches, TDs or carries to go down at all the rest of the year, I expect most of them to go up. Mathews should be a 15 PPG guy the rest of the year you can snag from an exasperated owner for cheap right now

 
'hines said:
final point on the night, I do think if the person in your league is near as disgusted as some of the people are in here it's time to buy for cheap. Don't expect him to be a top 5 back, thank Norv for that. but right now he is in the low teens in PPG, but I absolutely expect that to rise. tonight he didn't get the ball that much due to the 2 defensive TDs and the Chiefs holding the ball forever (Chargers ran under 50 plays). the previous 2 weeks he carried the ball 22 and 24 times so clearly they still think handing the ball to Mathews is the #1 part of their offense. he has only scored 1 TD on the season so his numbers have basically come purely from yardage. I don't expect his YPC, catches, TDs or carries to go down at all the rest of the year, I expect most of them to go up. Mathews should be a 15 PPG guy the rest of the year you can snag from an exasperated owner for cheap right now
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This anti-Matthews sentiment seriously has to stop. I play in four fantasy leagues and don't have Matthews on any of my teams so I have no reason to defend him. However, if you want to hate on him just because he's not living up to his ADP--why don't we look at where McFadden was drafted? How about Chris Johnson? Has Jamaal Charles been lighting it up the past 3 weeks? There are probably more guys that went in the first 2-3 rounds of drafts that are not living up to expectations than there are that do live up to them. The running back position is still very shallow and this will inherently give Matthews value. The dude is talented but under-utilized by his coaches. For those who somehow think that Brown is a more "capable" passing down back--I strongly disagree. Matthews is clearly quicker and clearly more talented. Matthews has the talent and ability to catch the ball out of the backfield--but Turner has decided that he wants to use Brown. I would argue that Norv is a horrible coach before I would even attempt to argue that Brown is better than Matthews--that's just ridiculous.
 
It's been said a million times over Mathews is clearly more talented than Brown but the reality is, he's not being used and Brown is. And the reality is Brown doesn't look bad in his role and therefore will continue to be utilized in it until something dramatically alters the equation.

 
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