Mathews On Short Leash (1 Viewer)

[OU#1]

There is just no way a guy that doesn't get 3rd down work, goal line touches, and passing down/screens can be a RB1 that everybody knows he can be (barring injury). This should have been a 100+ yard 1-2 TD night for him and we got this turd performance? The reality is us owners are all fools for drinking the kool aid thinking this guy can be top 10 in this three headed RBBC. Even with 20-25 carries a game it's just so predictable how they are using their RBs. RW=run, Brown=pass, Battle=short yardage/goal line or play action Rivers INT. What a waste of a good matchup tonight was. Can't even blame the Defensive TDs IMHO because Matthews doesn't even get the garbage time looks. In a close game does Battle grind out the clock too since he doesn't fumble like RM? Prob so! Or maybe Ronnie gets more draw plays...

I'm not trolling Matthews owners cause I own him. I'm trolling myself because this guy is a FF nightmare.

 

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[mrfrood]

There is just no way a guy that doesn't get 3rd down work, goal line touches, and passing down/screens can be a RB1 that everybody knows he can be (barring injury). This should have been a 100+ yard 1-2 TD night for him and we got this turd performance? The reality is us owners are all fools for drinking the kool aid thinking this guy can be top 10 in this three headed RBBC. Even with 20-25 carries a game it's just so predictable how they are using their RBs. RW=run, Brown=pass, Battle=short yardage/goal line or play action Rivers INT. What a waste of a good matchup tonight was. Can't even blame the Defensive TDs IMHO because Matthews doesn't even get the garbage time looks. In a close game does Battle grind out the clock too since he doesn't fumble like RM? Prob so! Or maybe Ronnie gets more draw plays...I'm not trolling Matthews owners cause I own him. I'm trolling myself because this guy is a FF nightmare.

You can say that again!

 

[Narwhale]

As a ppr Mathews owner I would love to see these guys roles reversed right now. Give Brown the runs up the middle on 1st and 2nd down and see what Mathews can do with the dump-offs on 3rd.

 

[Phenix]

There is just no way a guy that doesn't get 3rd down work, goal line touches, and passing down/screens can be a RB1 that everybody knows he can be (barring injury). This should have been a 100+ yard 1-2 TD night for him and we got this turd performance? The reality is us owners are all fools for drinking the kool aid thinking this guy can be top 10 in this three headed RBBC. Even with 20-25 carries a game it's just so predictable how they are using their RBs. RW=run, Brown=pass, Battle=short yardage/goal line or play action Rivers INT. What a waste of a good matchup tonight was. Can't even blame the Defensive TDs IMHO because Matthews doesn't even get the garbage time looks. In a close game does Battle grind out the clock too since he doesn't fumble like RM? Prob so! Or maybe Ronnie gets more draw plays...I'm not trolling Matthews owners cause I own him. I'm trolling myself because this guy is a FF nightmare.

You can say that again!

I seriously am cutting him on Monday when I can. I cant justify having him on any team I own. He does not score nearly enough points in a given week to be rostered, if he was not so promoted as a stud he would be just like any other ww back.Injury history, no 3rd down work, no short yardage, no garbage time...He has no value to any team in fantasy what so ever... or a real team.

 

[hines]

He is averaging over 13 per week and hasn't scored below 9. Perfectly fine rb2, which is disappointing sure but it doesn't look likely his average will go down it looks very likely for it to go up.

Reading these posts makes me even more sure if you don't have him go get him right now

 

[JuniorNB]

There is just no way a guy that doesn't get 3rd down work, goal line touches, and passing down/screens can be a RB1 that everybody knows he can be (barring injury). This should have been a 100+ yard 1-2 TD night for him and we got this turd performance? The reality is us owners are all fools for drinking the kool aid thinking this guy can be top 10 in this three headed RBBC. Even with 20-25 carries a game it's just so predictable how they are using their RBs. RW=run, Brown=pass, Battle=short yardage/goal line or play action Rivers INT. What a waste of a good matchup tonight was. Can't even blame the Defensive TDs IMHO because Matthews doesn't even get the garbage time looks. In a close game does Battle grind out the clock too since he doesn't fumble like RM? Prob so! Or maybe Ronnie gets more draw plays...I'm not trolling Matthews owners cause I own him. I'm trolling myself because this guy is a FF nightmare.

You can say that again!

I seriously am cutting him on Monday when I can. I cant justify having him on any team I own. He does not score nearly enough points in a given week to be rostered, if he was not so promoted as a stud he would be just like any other ww back.Injury history, no 3rd down work, no short yardage, no garbage time...He has no value to any team in fantasy what so ever... or a real team.

Don't forget that he is a big-time fumbler and is always a fumble or two away from getting even less carrioes than he already does.

 

[donkshow]

I'm getting frustrated with him. Looking to dish him now.

I should have started Rashad Jennings over him :/

 

[mphtrilogy]

There is just no way a guy that doesn't get 3rd down work, goal line touches, and passing down/screens can be a RB1 that everybody knows he can be (barring injury). This should have been a 100+ yard 1-2 TD night for him and we got this turd performance? The reality is us owners are all fools for drinking the kool aid thinking this guy can be top 10 in this three headed RBBC. Even with 20-25 carries a game it's just so predictable how they are using their RBs. RW=run, Brown=pass, Battle=short yardage/goal line or play action Rivers INT. What a waste of a good matchup tonight was. Can't even blame the Defensive TDs IMHO because Matthews doesn't even get the garbage time looks. In a close game does Battle grind out the clock too since he doesn't fumble like RM? Prob so! Or maybe Ronnie gets more draw plays...I'm not trolling Matthews owners cause I own him. I'm trolling myself because this guy is a FF nightmare.

could not have said it better myself.sorry i drad\fted himi'll take another stab on him when they make a coaching change and gm changebut right now, he is an emergency start only...

 

[SacramentoBob]

Could you be a bigger troll in this thread?

He's a troll on the entire forum. He never posts anything relevant to any thread and spends a majority of his time trying to rile up owners with bait posts. And he's been doing it for years. Embarrassing.

I think we can all agree now that the real trolls in this thread were the Mathews owners trying to talk him up to anyone who would listen.

 

[fruity pebbles]

No troll here, i honestly don't care one way or the other. But i fail to see whats to like about him.

1. Hes injury prone

2. Hes not the goalline back

3. Hes not the 3rd down back

4. He fumbles ALOT and hes always a benching risk

5. He doesnt get the garbage time carries to pad his stats

6. Hes already played the easy part of his schedule and failed to produce, now it gets tougher

7. Hes had one good game this year against by far the worst defense in the league

 

[Ghost Rider]

people calling Mathews a turd simply haven't been watching the games. there is zero problem with his performance, people who drafted him expected him to play at this level (4.3 YPC while basically running plunges behind a poor line) it is 100% bad coaching and hilariously bad usage. attacking Mathews and Mathews owners is dumb unless you predicted the Chargers would heavily feature Jackie Battle and Ronnie Brown for reasons that are hard to figure

No one is legit calling Mathews a turd; some of us are simply objecting to this idea that he is a stud RB who should produce along the lines of the other top tier RBs. Did I think he had a chance to be a top 5-10 RB this year? Yes, but everything had to fall just right, including him staying healthy; I didn't feel he was worth the risk. And for the record, I avoided just about every RB routinely projected in the 5-10 range this year in every auction I did (MJD, CJ2K, etc.), as I thought they were all overvalued. I either got one of the top three guys, or I went with a handful of sleepers, some of whom have panned out (Ridley in three leagues) and some of whom have not (Hillis), and then piled up on great WRs and then a top TE. As for bad usage, again, Brown has looked surprisingly good when catching the ball out of the backfield (although I do think that always using Brown in the 2-minute, hurry up offense and never using Mathews might be a mistake...probably best to mix it up), and giving Battle short yardage carries probably stems from Mathews' tendency to fumbles, and not giving Mathews carries at the end of blowouts like last night makes sense when you consider that he is somewhat brittle, so why let him take more of a pounding and possibly get hurt again while killing the clock in a game you already have in the bag? Those of you #####ing that he should get more carries are the same guys who would be lamenting what could have been after he got hurt again after being fed the rock too much. You can't have it both ways. He's averaging 19 touches a game in the games he has played this year; that is not bad. And in the two games prior to last night, he had touched the ball 26 times in both games (both of them close games), so what's the problem?

 

[Wadsworth]

Could you be a bigger troll in this thread?

He's a troll on the entire forum. He never posts anything relevant to any thread and spends a majority of his time trying to rile up owners with bait posts. And he's been doing it for years. Embarrassing.

I think we can all agree now that the real trolls in this thread were the Mathews owners trying to talk him up to anyone who would listen.

So you copy my response to you post, but not your post? Why would you do that?

 

[Amused to Death]

Could you be a bigger troll in this thread?

He's a troll on the entire forum. He never posts anything relevant to any thread and spends a majority of his time trying to rile up owners with bait posts. And he's been doing it for years. Embarrassing.

I think we can all agree now that the real trolls in this thread were the Mathews owners trying to talk him up to anyone who would listen.

So you copy my response to you post, but not your post? Why would you do that?

So what is the Chargers' record now when Matthews gets the bulk of the carries? I honestly don't know. It's not trolling if it's true.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Could you be a bigger troll in this thread?

He's a troll on the entire forum. He never posts anything relevant to any thread and spends a majority of his time trying to rile up owners with bait posts. And he's been doing it for years. Embarrassing.

I think we can all agree now that the real trolls in this thread were the Mathews owners trying to talk him up to anyone who would listen.

So you copy my response to you post, but not your post? Why would you do that?

So what is the Chargers' record now when Matthews gets the bulk of the carries? I honestly don't know. It's not trolling if it's true.

1-4, thanks for asking.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

I'm just hoping SD loses all their games and misses the playoffs so Norv and company can pack their bags.

 

[Raider Nation]

Somebody please put a bullet in my head if I ever start this clown again. What a disaster.

 

[FF Ninja]

1-4, thanks for asking.

I'm sure this troll would have you believe they'd be 5-0 during that span if they started Battle instead Almost feel bad for these trolls. Life must not be good to them so they resort to fishing.

 

[zandbak]

1-4, thanks for asking.

I'm sure this troll would have you believe they'd be 5-0 during that span if they started Battle instead Almost feel bad for these trolls. Life must not be good to them so they resort to fishing.

He's been trolling the thread for months. Mods don't care. I honestly think he might have a mental disability, most trolls would have moved on by now.

 

[SacramentoBob]

1-4, thanks for asking.

I'm sure this troll would have you believe they'd be 5-0 during that span if they started Battle instead Almost feel bad for these trolls. Life must not be good to them so they resort to fishing.

He's been trolling the thread for months. Mods don't care. I honestly think he might have a mental disability, most trolls would have moved on by now.

Yes, your refusal to move on is pretty mind boggling right now. Just admit I was right.

 

[hines]

Tampa is a very good run D, great to see Mathews getting more catches, he comes out of this with his arrow pointed firmly upwards. A probable high RB2/low RB1 you can get for cheaper if their owner has soured, big time value here

 

[fruity pebbles]

Tampa is a very good run D, great to see Mathews getting more catches, he comes out of this with his arrow pointed firmly upwards. A probable high RB2/low RB1 you can get for cheaper if their owner has soured, big time value here

I'm assuming this is schtick.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Tampa is a very good run D, great to see Mathews getting more catches, he comes out of this with his arrow pointed firmly upwards. A probable high RB2/low RB1 you can get for cheaper if their owner has soured, big time value here

That's what some have been saying for almost two months now.

 

[hines]

Tampa is a very good run D, great to see Mathews getting more catches, he comes out of this with his arrow pointed firmly upwards. A probable high RB2/low RB1 you can get for cheaper if their owner has soured, big time value here

I'm assuming this is schtick.

why? I honestly believe it. 2 weeks ago he had his only single digit game of the year on a night they had about 45 plays. he looks to be getting more receptions, which gives him a ton more value and you have to figure the TDs are coming. the perception on him is so low it's like people are acting like he's not startable. go trade for him is my advice because he's much more likely to start scoring more than less and his perceived value is much lower than actual value. a perfect trade target

 

[flapgreen]

Somebody please put a bullet in my head if I ever start this clown again. What a disaster.

You need one now. The dude is a bum.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I might out right cut him. Sat Fred Jacskon for Jim for the fourth friggin week in a row.

 

[donkshow]

Glad I moved this clown.

 

[hines]

all these posts add to my point. go get him for cheap if you don't have him right now and if you have him right now don't trade him because his perceived value is much lower than actual

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

This was a tough match up since Tampa Bay has a good run D and teams know to exploit their weakness (vs the pass).

But let's be honest. This guy was drafted to do more than he has. If he was a waiver wire pickup and you use him as a bye week filler in a PPR league, you can be happy with his production. But nobody planned for that. He was supposed to be a solid starter with big upside and projected "value" for those who could be patient and not need him the first couple of games.

Fantasy-wise, he's simply not that good. NFL-wise, I think the team is close to pulling what the Buccaneers did last year with Raheem Morris-- give up and force management to replace the coach.

If you own Alfred Morris and Mathews, you probably have two similar players. But you're probably thrilled with one and really disappointed in the other. I know I am.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Tampa is a very good run D, great to see Mathews getting more catches, he comes out of this with his arrow pointed firmly upwards. A probable high RB2/low RB1 you can get for cheaper if their owner has soured, big time value here

I'm assuming this is schtick.

why? I honestly believe it. 2 weeks ago he had his only single digit game of the year on a night they had about 45 plays. he looks to be getting more receptions, which gives him a ton more value and you have to figure the TDs are coming. the perception on him is so low it's like people are acting like he's not startable. go trade for him is my advice because he's much more likely to start scoring more than less and his perceived value is much lower than actual value. a perfect trade target

You do? Why, because he has managed 1 TD in seven games so far this year (that TD coming against the worst defense ever)? The problem is not just Mathews; it is the Chargers. They have the look of a team that is about to collapse and get their coach fired by having a poor record to close out a disappointing season, and I just can't see Mathews putting up stellar numbers in that scenario. He is still capable of a big week here, or a big week there, but as a consistent every week low RB1/high RB2? Good luck with that.

 

[shadyridr]

Tampa is a very good run D, great to see Mathews getting more catches, he comes out of this with his arrow pointed firmly upwards. A probable high RB2/low RB1 you can get for cheaper if their owner has soured, big time value here

I'm assuming this is schtick.

why? I honestly believe it. 2 weeks ago he had his only single digit game of the year on a night they had about 45 plays. he looks to be getting more receptions, which gives him a ton more value and you have to figure the TDs are coming. the perception on him is so low it's like people are acting like he's not startable. go trade for him is my advice because he's much more likely to start scoring more than less and his perceived value is much lower than actual value. a perfect trade target

You do? Why, because he has managed 1 TD in seven games so far this year (that TD coming against the worst defense ever)? The problem is not just Mathews; it is the Chargers. They have the look of a team that is about to collapse and get their coach fired by having a poor record to close out a disappointing season, and I just can't see Mathews putting up stellar numbers in that scenario. He is still capable of a big week here, or a big week there, but as a consistent every week low RB1/high RB2? Good luck with that.

THIS. mathews isnt the problem. Sure he shares some of the blame but the bigger problem is the coach, Rivers loss of ability, the 3 back rotation, and the OLine woes.

 

[hines]

Tampa is a very good run D, great to see Mathews getting more catches, he comes out of this with his arrow pointed firmly upwards. A probable high RB2/low RB1 you can get for cheaper if their owner has soured, big time value here

I'm assuming this is schtick.

why? I honestly believe it. 2 weeks ago he had his only single digit game of the year on a night they had about 45 plays. he looks to be getting more receptions, which gives him a ton more value and you have to figure the TDs are coming. the perception on him is so low it's like people are acting like he's not startable. go trade for him is my advice because he's much more likely to start scoring more than less and his perceived value is much lower than actual value. a perfect trade target

You do? Why, because he has managed 1 TD in seven games so far this year (that TD coming against the worst defense ever)? The problem is not just Mathews; it is the Chargers. They have the look of a team that is about to collapse and get their coach fired by having a poor record to close out a disappointing season, and I just can't see Mathews putting up stellar numbers in that scenario. He is still capable of a big week here, or a big week there, but as a consistent every week low RB1/high RB2? Good luck with that.

yes the team is in freefall which is why he is not a clear RB1. still I would expect more than 1 TD the rest of the season simply based on the law of averages. give him the ball enough times around the 10 yard line you eventually score one or two

 

[GroveDiesel]

Tampa is a very good run D, great to see Mathews getting more catches, he comes out of this with his arrow pointed firmly upwards. A probable high RB2/low RB1 you can get for cheaper if their owner has soured, big time value here

I'm assuming this is schtick.

why? I honestly believe it. 2 weeks ago he had his only single digit game of the year on a night they had about 45 plays. he looks to be getting more receptions, which gives him a ton more value and you have to figure the TDs are coming. the perception on him is so low it's like people are acting like he's not startable. go trade for him is my advice because he's much more likely to start scoring more than less and his perceived value is much lower than actual value. a perfect trade target

You do? Why, because he has managed 1 TD in seven games so far this year (that TD coming against the worst defense ever)? The problem is not just Mathews; it is the Chargers. They have the look of a team that is about to collapse and get their coach fired by having a poor record to close out a disappointing season, and I just can't see Mathews putting up stellar numbers in that scenario. He is still capable of a big week here, or a big week there, but as a consistent every week low RB1/high RB2? Good luck with that.

yes the team is in freefall which is why he is not a clear RB1. still I would expect more than 1 TD the rest of the season simply based on the law of averages. give him the ball enough times around the 10 yard line you eventually score one or two

The problem is the team won't give him the ball inside the 20.

 

[xenith]

i've still got him and still holding, but he's simply a FLEX consideration among several others.

until norv decides to use him on 3rd down or some goal to go situations, his value has a fairly low ceiling.

 

[Traders2001]

Did he ever play yesterday, i watched part of the game and Matthes is like the invisible man.

Would nt even trade a jock for him.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

People who burned a draft pick on Mathews hoping for Top 5-10 production upside (like myself) are completely justified in being terribly disappointed about Mathews's failure to live up to his potential (perceived or real) as well as with SD's general inability to generate any kind of offense.

People who are currently using Mathews as a flex/RB3 (like myself) shouldn't be whining about how he is the bane of their existence. The guy likely netted out 10+ points for most in PPR formats (as he did for me), which is middling for a flex but is still solid if not spectacular production.

The guy is clearly not this year's SOD, and SD is up to its neck in trouble on many fronts. Though the run Ds they are playing the rest of the season are no cupcakes, Mathews is still in a position to get the bulk of work.

Set expectations accordingly.

 

[letter_j]

Was just offered Wes Welker for Mathews straight up in re-draft. Very fair offer, but I am leaning towards keeping the value at the RB position as I pen this. I see this to be Mathews' value right now...

 

[hines]

from RW: Ryan Mathews was held out of Wednesday's practice.

Mathews wasn't known to be hurt in Sunday's loss, so he's likely just getting some extra rest after touching the ball 22 times against the Bucs. Considering his injury history, however, it's certainly something to keep an eye on. Mathews' status will be updated no later than tomorrow afternoon.

 

[OU#1]

CBS reporting he's Questionable.

Insult to injury, literally. Ugh, I actually need this guy to play this week. :(

 

[Ned Ryerson]

CBS reporting he's Questionable.Insult to injury, literally. Ugh, I actually need this guy to play this week. :(

Doesn't missing practice make hime Questionable by definition? It doesn't necessarily mean there is a significant injury concern.

 

[leave a whisper]

CBS reporting he's Questionable.Insult to injury, literally. Ugh, I actually need this guy to play this week. :(

Doesn't missing practice make hime Questionable by definition? It doesn't necessarily mean there is a significant injury concern.

per RotoWorld:Ryan Mathews - RB - Chargers Updating an earlier item, Ryan Mathews missed Wednesday's pracitce with a neck injury.According to coach Norv Turner, Mathews was "pretty stiff" after taking a shot from Bucs LB Quincy Black in Sunday's loss. The helmet-to-helmet shot ended up knocking Black out for the season. The good news is, Mathews stayed in the game, and should be good to go for Week 11 even if he's limited the rest of the week. Owners should be sure to follow his status, but we expect Mathews to start against the Broncos. Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter Nov 14 - 6:34 PM

 

[Raider Nation]

I hope he's ready to go on Sunday. His 4 points might be the difference between winning and losing.

 

[Hoosier16]

per RotoWorld:

Ryan Mathews - RB - Chargers

Updating an earlier item, Ryan Mathews missed Wednesday's pracitce with a neck injury.

According to coach Norv Turner, Mathews was "pretty stiff" after taking a shot from Bucs LB Quincy Black in Sunday's loss. The helmet-to-helmet shot ended up knocking Black out for the season. The good news is, Mathews stayed in the game, and should be good to go for Week 11 even if he's limited the rest of the week. Owners should be sure to follow his status, but we expect Mathews to start against the Broncos.

Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter Nov 14 - 6:34 PM

If Mathews is injury prone, I wonder what that makes Quincy Black?

 

[donkshow]

Traded him for McGahee. Sick of him.

 

[Raider Nation]

Ryan Mathews not practicing for the second straight day.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Ryan Mathews not practicing for the second straight day.

Looks like 'Quiz may be making his debut appearance in my lineup!!

 

[iamkoza]

is battle the logical pickup here... or would ronnie brown start? I seem to remember battle getting carries and brown the 3rd down back when mathews wasnt playing this year.... i need a RB this week and both battle and ronnie brown are FA's, I cant afford to roster both though.

 

[John 14:6]

is battle the logical pickup here... or would ronnie brown start? I seem to remember battle getting carries and brown the 3rd down back when mathews wasnt playing this year.... i need a RB this week and both battle and ronnie brown are FA's, I cant afford to roster both though.

Same here. I'm interested to see what people think...