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Mathews On Short Leash (1 Viewer)

I'm all for utilizing Matthews more and for the firing of Turner but Matthews, if he is truly an elite RB that many think he is, needs to make something out of nothing as well. There are a lot of guys that don't get carries, that are mis/under utilized, play on bad teams, etc.. If he went out there and busted some huge runs like Bryce Brown has done, he would force the teams hand in the situation but he hasn't done that at all. He doesn't have 1 100 yard game this year, he only has 9 rushes for between 10 and 20 yards and only 1 for 20+ (30 yards). I think a big part of the problem is being selected high in the draft as an heir apparent to LT. If you watched most of the games this year, it's not as if he's been awesome and that the staff is blind. At least in my opinion.
:goodposting:The Eagles O-line is as bad as SD's, if not worse, and they have had a rookie in at QB (see: a worse situation than the one Mathews is in), yet Bryce Brown is able to produce for the Eagles the last two weeks.
Yes, of course! The situations are totally the same, maybe even worse for Brown! If Bryce Brown was a Charger he'd have 2000 yards by now! :sarcasm:
if you truly are a special player you'll make big plays even with limited opportunities.
 
hearing the announcers say that Norv thinks Mathews doesn't have the vision just shows that we are right, Norv simply has no clue at all. how would he possibly know since 80% of Mathews carries come on 1st and 10 dives into the line that anyone who watches the game can predict? there is essentially never any room at all for the Chargers running game. the constant playing with Mathews head (twice let Battle start for a fumble and GM and Norv insinuated that fumble could cost Mathews his Chargers jersey, now it at times looks like Mathews runs thinking about not fumbling, once inexplicably started Battle because Mathews was hurt during the week, now these comments) makes it basically look like Norv personally doesn't like the guy. I can't remember a more incompetent offensive coaching job in all the years I have played fantasy
Not that I'm trying to defend Norv, as I agree he should be fired and replaced with someone, anyone, but he does get to see Mathews in practice all the time, so he gets to see him a whole lot more than just during the game.
Plus he gets to see coaches film so he can see the creases Mathews might be missing, or the blocks he should be following. Norv sucks, the Chargers franchise sucks, but now I do realize Mathews sucks too. He's been just horrible.
 
11 rush attempts? I guess they were behind the whole game playing catch up. :rolleyes: Fire Norv already and use Matthews the right way...
Sigh.Norv needs to go, but his utilization of Mathews is not a problem. I understood why fantasy owners couldn't see through the forest a few weeks ago, but not being able to see it now is inexcusable.
Rushing 8 times with your RB when you have the lead is inexcusable.
Never said it wasn't, but Mathews hasn't given any reason he should be heavily leaned on - ever.
He looked pretty good last year with 1,500 combined yds.
That is true. Where is that explosion from last year?
 
11 rush attempts? I guess they were behind the whole game playing catch up. :rolleyes: Fire Norv already and use Matthews the right way...
Sigh.Norv needs to go, but his utilization of Mathews is not a problem. I understood why fantasy owners couldn't see through the forest a few weeks ago, but not being able to see it now is inexcusable.
Rushing 8 times with your RB when you have the lead is inexcusable.
Never said it wasn't, but Mathews hasn't given any reason he should be heavily leaned on - ever.
He looked pretty good last year with 1,500 combined yds.
That is true. Where is that explosion from last year?
tough to explode when every time he gets the ball its a 1st and 10 run up the middle and he gets met behind the line....throw in only 8-12 carries, no short yardage, GL or 3rd down carries and there is no chance to get in a groove...Matthews issues may be 20% on him but I give 80% blame to Coaching and OL.
 
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11 rush attempts? I guess they were behind the whole game playing catch up. :rolleyes: Fire Norv already and use Matthews the right way...
Sigh.Norv needs to go, but his utilization of Mathews is not a problem. I understood why fantasy owners couldn't see through the forest a few weeks ago, but not being able to see it now is inexcusable.
Rushing 8 times with your RB when you have the lead is inexcusable.
Never said it wasn't, but Mathews hasn't given any reason he should be heavily leaned on - ever.
He looked pretty good last year with 1,500 combined yds.
I never saw the difference on the field. I saw Mathews pulling himself throughout games and not finishing runs last year too. Stats only tell part of the story, his play on the field is why I wasn't completely on board coming into the season. Potential was obviously there from an expected volume + progression perspective, but it was a calculated risk. He hasn't shown he's a feature back before and this year has shown me he's not capable of it. Good committee back, but that's it.
 
I'm all for utilizing Matthews more and for the firing of Turner but Matthews, if he is truly an elite RB that many think he is, needs to make something out of nothing as well. There are a lot of guys that don't get carries, that are mis/under utilized, play on bad teams, etc.. If he went out there and busted some huge runs like Bryce Brown has done, he would force the teams hand in the situation but he hasn't done that at all. He doesn't have 1 100 yard game this year, he only has 9 rushes for between 10 and 20 yards and only 1 for 20+ (30 yards). I think a big part of the problem is being selected high in the draft as an heir apparent to LT. If you watched most of the games this year, it's not as if he's been awesome and that the staff is blind. At least in my opinion.
:goodposting:The Eagles O-line is as bad as SD's, if not worse, and they have had a rookie in at QB (see: a worse situation than the one Mathews is in), yet Bryce Brown is able to produce for the Eagles the last two weeks.
Yes, of course! The situations are totally the same, maybe even worse for Brown! If Bryce Brown was a Charger he'd have 2000 yards by now! :sarcasm:
if you truly are a special player you'll make big plays even with limited opportunities.
I think you would see those big plays if they called some plays where he is supposed to bounce the run to the outside or maybe catch a screen pass, but as someone else said, these runs up the gut just aren't working. I don't watch every game, but of the carries I do see, he is frequently hit at or behind the LOS. I've seen Bryce Brown getting to the second level untouched... and it's not because he's special.
 
Chargers are in Pittsburgh this week. You'd have to be beyond desperate to start this guy.

My current projections have him at negative 18 yards and 2 fumbles.

 
Chargers are in Pittsburgh this week. You'd have to be beyond desperate to start this guy.My current projections have him at negative 18 yards and 2 fumbles.
Sadly, some of us don't have many other decent options. :(He's gotta score a TD at some point, right???!? :hot: :rant:
 
Chargers are in Pittsburgh this week. You'd have to be beyond desperate to start this guy.
:hey:Hello, my name is Wadsworth and I am beyond desperate.My formerly stacked RB stable of MJD, Forte, McGahee, Ryan Mathews, Rashad Jennings, B. Powell, Vereen, M. Reece, now looks pretty awful. If McFadden comes back I am looking at either Mathews or Powell to pair with Forte. I think I just threw up a little typing that.
 
realistically he is still a top 20-25 option so you don't really have to be desperate in a 14-16 team league but I'd wager a good % of his owners are out of the playoff picture by now

 
Matthews was definitely my biggest disappointment so far this year. But considering the first 3 games he missed due to the broken collarbone, he is still the #25 RB overall in total points for the year (non-ppr).

I'm still holding out hope that he gets in the endzone a time or two during the playoff weeks.

At least we know he's good for 75-80 yards a game.

 
He just got cut in my league. We have tight roster limits so good players can be dropped sometimes and Mathews clearly has been a bust but I was still surprised.

 
I cut him for Clevelands D, had to block the opponent on a D this week.

The only value he really provided to me was being drop-able when I needed someone to drop.

 
Would be nice to turn this thread into a dynasty discussion. What are we thinking for him? Too disgusted to stick? Too much potential to bail? New coach/system maybe? Is he better off in a committee?

 
Would be nice to turn this thread into a dynasty discussion. What are we thinking for him? Too disgusted to stick? Too much potential to bail? New coach/system maybe? Is he better off in a committee?
Too much potential to bail, IMO, unless you can get someone that you are pretty high on. Most offers are pretty low ball.
 
I actually think he is a buy low....Norv and that awful OL is 90% the problem - at least one will be remedied next season....and hopefully the OL addressed as well

 
I actually think he is a buy low....Norv and that awful OL is 90% the problem - at least one will be remedied next season....and hopefully the OL addressed as well
Strongly disagree. AJ, Norv, and the OL are problems but Mathews is too. Good RB's produce despite their surroundings, average ones do not. There's a reason he hasn't been given an opportunity to be the bellcow and it's because of himself, if he were capable Norv (who prefers a feature back) would have let him do it.
 
I still love his combination of power and speed.

I thought he showed poor run vision as a rookie, and evidently Norv thinks that's still a problem. (I haven't been able to see it this season, but Norv would know better than I would.)

I think he's the kind of back that, if you give him a decent hole where it's supposed to be, he'll do more with it than the average starting NFL running back would. But if you don't give him a decent hole, he'll be less effective than the average NFL starting running back at trying to sniff out hard-to-find daylight on his own.

Fumbles and injuries are still problematic as well.

I think he's still got excellent upside potential — but to realize it, he's going to need much improved play from the offensive line. I don't know the odds of that happening in the next year or two. It's really a mess.

 
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I still love his combination of power and speed.I thought he showed poor run vision as a rookie, and evidently Norv thinks that's still a problem. (I haven't been able to see it this season, but Norv would know better than I would.)I think he's the kind of back that, if you give him a decent hole where it's supposed to be, he'll do more with it than the average starting NFL running back would. But if you don't give him a decent hole, he'll be less effective than the average NFL starting running back at trying to sniff out hard-to-find daylight on his own.Fumbles and injuries are still problematic as well.I think he's still got excellent upside potential — but to realize it, he's going to need much improved play from the offensive line. I don't know the odds of that happening in the next year or two. It's really a mess.
I think this is a good assessment. I have him on three teams, one dynasty, one keeper. So I've been watching him when I can the last several years. As you say, he's more situational dependent than the great RBs but I think if he gets the workload and the OL improves he'll look pretty good. It seems silly to give up on him in dynasty now with his value so low. I'll avoid him in my redraft league next year though.
 
Bump for AJ Smith and Norv Turner reportedly getting fired after this season. About time Spanos. I can see Andy Reid being the Chargers coach next season. Maybe he can finally use his players how they should be used.

 
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Where is the "Mathews is still gonna be a top 10 fantasy RB this year" crowd? JWB has been noticeably absent in this thread. :P
What is there to say? I was wrong. Norv's use of Mathews is inexplicable. The benching fiasco due to one fumble was absurd. I didn't foresee that.I still think the talent is there. A new coach can only be a positive. And the OL can only improve from here.
 
Bump for AJ Smith and Norv Turner reportedly getting fired after this season. About time Spanos. I can see Andy Reid being the Chargers coach next season. Maybe he can finally use his players how they should be used.
If there's one thing Reid is known for, it's building a great o-line and properly utilizing his running back.
 
It's come to this: I'm starting Joique Bell over him.

Unbelievable.

As usual, CBS's analysis is cutting edge.

It's definitely been a down year for Mathews, who surpassed 1,000 rushing yards for the first time in his career in 2011. Mathews is at best a low-end Fantasy start in deep formats heading into Week 14. The Steelers are a tough matchup. Running backs average 84.8 rushing yards, 19.2 receiving yards and 13.5 Fantasy points per week against Pittsburgh, which is the fifth-lowest average in the NFL
 
It's come to this: I'm starting Joique Bell over him.

Unbelievable.

As usual, CBS's analysis is cutting edge.

It's definitely been a down year for Mathews, who surpassed 1,000 rushing yards for the first time in his career in 2011. Mathews is at best a low-end Fantasy start in deep formats heading into Week 14. The Steelers are a tough matchup. Running backs average 84.8 rushing yards, 19.2 receiving yards and 13.5 Fantasy points per week against Pittsburgh, which is the fifth-lowest average in the NFL
I am seriously considering Bilal Powell. What a freaking joke.
 
I am seriously considering Bilal Powell. What a freaking joke.
Nobody could blame you.In Pittsburgh, against a very good defense, on what could be a sloppy weather day.Oh, and he only got 9 carries last week. If he burns me by somehow having a miraculously good game at a time when I would have needed him the most, so be it. It'll be a poetic ending.
 
We start three RBs in my (PPR) league. Going with Mathews over Pierre Thomas. Not expecting much but his floor is much higher than Thomas'. Hoping for his usual 9 points or so. Anything above that will be a bonus.

 
It's come to this: I'm starting Joique Bell over him.

Unbelievable.

As usual, CBS's analysis is cutting edge.

It's definitely been a down year for Mathews, who surpassed 1,000 rushing yards for the first time in his career in 2011. Mathews is at best a low-end Fantasy start in deep formats heading into Week 14. The Steelers are a tough matchup. Running backs average 84.8 rushing yards, 19.2 receiving yards and 13.5 Fantasy points per week against Pittsburgh, which is the fifth-lowest average in the NFL
I am seriously considering Bilal Powell. What a freaking joke.
Powell should get 10-12 carries against the worst rush d in the league....Matthews is likely to get similar carries vs the best rush D....not much of a debate IMO - although always the possibility that Norv/Matthews gives us a big kick in the $@$% and he goes off but I doubt it.
 
I am seriously considering Bilal Powell. What a freaking joke.
Nobody could blame you.In Pittsburgh, against a very good defense, on what could be a sloppy weather day.Oh, and he only got 9 carries last week. If he burns me by somehow having a miraculously good game at a time when I would have needed him the most, so be it. It'll be a poetic ending.
I've been wanting to bench this bum for weeks, but haven't been able to do it due to injuries. My other choices are beyond desperate, but I'll take my chances this week. I just don't see any upside in playing him this week, so now that I have benched him, I expect him to have a good week. Poetic ending indeed.
 
In a game the Chargers comfortably led wire-to-wire, by the way. This guy is dead to me.
Do you really blame him? He got ONE target despite the fact that he looked so good in space last year. I didn't watch the game (benched him) but I imagine this was yet another game in which he saw a lot of runs up the gut on 1st and 2nd down only to come out on third down. Nobody is going to be productive running those plays behind this crappy line. Can't wait to see what happens next year.I'd rather see him get 15 carries a game if some of them are tosses or other sorts of runs outside the tackles. 25 runs up the gut against PIT isn't going to get it done.
 
In a game the Chargers comfortably led wire-to-wire, by the way. This guy is dead to me.
Do you really blame him? He got ONE target despite the fact that he looked so good in space last year. I didn't watch the game (benched him) but I imagine this was yet another game in which he saw a lot of runs up the gut on 1st and 2nd down only to come out on third down. Nobody is going to be productive running those plays behind this crappy line. Can't wait to see what happens next year.I'd rather see him get 15 carries a game if some of them are tosses or other sorts of runs outside the tackles. 25 runs up the gut against PIT isn't going to get it done.
People really need to stop with this stop blaming Mathews bit. He's not in a good situation, but good RB's make it work, average ones do not.
 
Chris Wesseling at Rotoworld predicts that Mathews will go over 100 in each of the last 3 games due to the soft schedule. If Brown is out, Mathews should be locked into lineups next week because 20 carries and 4-5 catches will be almost assured. I think today he actually looked better than he has been but the playcalling let him down again with the constant 1st down dives

 
Commitment to Mathews and the run game gets you what?

A win.

Commitment to Rivers and the pass game gets you what?

Turnovers and losses.

Lesson: Commit to Mathews, commit to the run game, it opens up the passing game, and getting the win.

Now was that so hard, Norv?

 
Commitment to Mathews and the run game gets you what?A win.Commitment to Rivers and the pass game gets you what?Turnovers and losses.Lesson: Commit to Mathews, commit to the run game, it opens up the passing game, and getting the win.Now was that so hard, Norv?
San Diego won yesterday because the Steelers offense imploded for the first 3 quarters, not because of the offensive gameplan. The offense has steadily improved since Alexander emerged, really has had nothing to do with Mathews.
 

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