texasbirdfan
Footballguy
drafted him- but he appears in the permanent dog house. Anyone have any hot updates?
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Matt Jones- history? (1 Viewer)
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In a dynasty league I would try to hold onto him a few more weeks. I think he does not get out of the doghouse in Jacksonville but he stands a good chance of being cut or traded. If he's cut I believe he'll draw considerable interest and I specifically see the Cowboys as a good fit with Glenn out and Crayton hurting a little.
Green Apple Splatter
Footballguy
People will hang on to this dog as long as they can, because those in dynasty leagues can't accept the fact the guy is a bust. He's a converted QB that showed some speed, but never really has learned to play WR IMO, and probably never will. He was a big risk from the start, but most didn't see it that way.
whhwalker
Footballguy
As a Jags Homer, MATT JONES IS HISTORY. Unless you have 100 WRs on your league's rosters there are tons of other WRs with as much or more potential. Just because he was drafted in the first round does not mean he's first round talent. Is Mike Williams still on a roster in your league? What about Charles Rogers?
Matt Jones = Punt
Matt Jones = Punt
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
agreed on most of it. He was worth a risk for me as wr was the position I needed filling and I drafted 12th that year.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
He's toast.
EBF
Footballguy
This is pretty dead on. In the words of Gordon Gekko, he's a dog with fleas.
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
85 to be exact. And currently FBG has him 81 or so in re-draft this year.
Alluro
Footballguy
I can't understand what happened to the guy. He closed last season on a flurry. He actually has more 100 yd games to his name (3) than a guy like Vincent Jackson (0) and yet he's stuck in the doghouse. I think he really needs a fresh start and to play on a team with more of a commitment to the pass. He's obviously shown flashes of great potential and I'm holding him on my dynasty roster unless someone pretty good comes along.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
The shark move is to pick him up on your CFL dynasty teams right now.
eta: as a QB
eta: as a QB
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No, I think people hang onto him because most of us did not expect a converted college QB to come in take the league by storm. He's just entering his third season playing the position and while he's been no star he's not been complete crap either, especially in relation to what the other WR's on the team have done. IMO the worst thing he's done is not stay healthy but as been pointed out he's shown flashes and he's had some big games. As for the statement he was big risk because he never learned to play WR I'd reply what is the exuse offered up by fellow first round WR's that year Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, and Roddy White who Matt Jones has outproduced? I'd say Matt Jones must have learned to play some WR because he has played better than those players who played the position in college. He's still 6-6/240 with Randy Moss speed and if he can end up in the right situation I think he'll be a steal for the NFL team that gets him.
brakeyawself
Footballguy
Agreed. If he ended up on Dallas I think hes gold, but I cant see Parcells putting up with someone who managed to get themselves in Jacksonvilles doghouse, especially if they aren't T.O.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Did you really just say that?
brakeyawself
Footballguy
Maybe. I like to hold on to things too long.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Del Rio is the plague to QBs/WRs. It's all but impossible to know how good anyone in the Jaguars passng game really is at this point. I'd hold onto him for a while in a deep dynasty situation. If he manages to get out of Jax(which I think he wants) he could have impact somewhere else sooner rather than later. Or maybe he just stinks. How can you tell when he's on a team that thinks a 9 yards out is deep route?
igbomb
Footballguy
Parcells?
brakeyawself
Footballguy
Im a failed comedian nevermind. Point is I think Matt Jones is a BUST. The joke was that I didnt know what year it was. Like Matt Jones, I am also a BUST.
Duke1948
Footballguy
no, not really, i'm hanging on to him in hopes that he gets out of the black hole that is jax, and on to a team that has a descent offense and passer.....sure he hasn't really developed like i though he would, but some fault has got to be del rio.
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FavreCo
Footballguy
Homeless man's Randy Moss. Loafs when the ball is not coming his way. Heck, he loafs when it is coming his way. Big time sissy who is afraid to take a hit or cross the middle and make the tough grab. Once in a while, a spectacular play, then back to sucking. That's about it. Waste of a 1st round pick on hype.
Alluro
Footballguy
For those of us keeping the torch lit, we'll always have this Mortensen article: "One of a Kind"
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/colum...&id=2025109
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/colum...&id=2025109
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
It just does not make sense:
1) Brains to be a QB -- check
2) fastest player on the team - check
3) Best/ softest hands on the team- check
4) huge body/ height advantage - check
5) has successfully scored, played - check
Why doesn't Del Rio just come out and say he doesn't like HIS kind on the team?
1) Brains to be a QB -- check
2) fastest player on the team - check
3) Best/ softest hands on the team- check
4) huge body/ height advantage - check
5) has successfully scored, played - check
Why doesn't Del Rio just come out and say he doesn't like HIS kind on the team?
FavreCo
Footballguy
6) Sissy - check.
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
"For the past four years, SEC coaches and defenders have marveled at Jones' freakish ability to make plays – his 2,545 rushing yards set an SEC career mark for quarterbacks.""He was the best player in the SEC the past two years," said Ron Zook, the ex-Florida coach now at Illinois. "Now that's a mouthful. Think about the guys who have played in the SEC the past couple of years."
Sissy's doen't rush that many yards
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Wadsworth
Footballguy
This gets to the heart of the matter. Del Rio wants to win like the 2000 Ravens. People talk about how the Jags play up or down to their level of opponent. It's more that Del Rio is going to play ultra-conservative until they are behind. So against bad teams, they pretty much stay ultra-conservative and keep the games close risking a punt return for a TD or some fluke play that can lose them the game. You might have seen an example this last weekend against Denver. Jax dominated most of that game but Denver had a shot at winning the game late. One missed tackle or blown coverage late and Denver wins that game. Against good teams they get aggressive sooner and do decently well with a more up tempo style. Jacksonville is rarely on either end of a blowout.The problem is that Shack Harris(GM) and Del Rio apparently have different ideas. Why in the world do you draft Leftwich, a guy that played almost his entire college career in the shotgun, zipping passes all over the field and put him into a heavy play action west coact offense? The same can be said of Matt Jones. Matt is a decent down the field, near the sidelines WR, he is not a quick slant/over the middle guy. I still beleive that in a spread system Jones could have a decent NFL career, but they keep trying to make Matt into Keyshawn Johnson. Matt is not tough, he just isn't. But he is big, strong and fast with excellent hands and YAC potential. You have to figure someone is going to figure out a way to use those skills. But I doubt it will ever be Jacksonville with Del Rio there.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
The way Del Rio runs things, they will probably deactivate Garrard and have Matt in as starting QB by week 5.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I think it's easy to compare Matt Jones to guys like BMW and Troy Williamson. But Jones has at least shown some flashes of talent and made significant contributions in multiple games. For whatever reason, he's in the doghouse now. But so was Reggie Williams, and he has scored a TD in consecutive games now. So I'm not sure what to make of the current Jags WR situation, other than Del Rio and staff do not appear to be very good at evaluating or developing WR talent.
nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Matt Jones has no arm left. None. Zero. Nada. Let it go. I've watched him in camp before throwing the ball back when he's warming up, after 3 or 4 normal throws he'll throw the rest back under-handed. He might be good for one or two tricks plays a game at best, but other than that he just can't throw the ball anymore.
Alluro
Footballguy
Still holding onto Matt Jones on my dynasty roster, lol.
Does anyone think he could possibly go to another team and thrive? The Jaguars passing game is still abysmal. Also, could anyone see him switching positions to TE possibly? A lot of draft sites before the draft actually had him projected at TE. Thoughts? Should I cut him for the likes of Kevin Walter, Muhsin Muhammed, Bryant Johnson? I know that last part is more of an assistant coach forum question, but I'm mainly intersted in assessing Jones value at this point. Anyone thinks it's above 0?
Does anyone think he could possibly go to another team and thrive? The Jaguars passing game is still abysmal. Also, could anyone see him switching positions to TE possibly? A lot of draft sites before the draft actually had him projected at TE. Thoughts? Should I cut him for the likes of Kevin Walter, Muhsin Muhammed, Bryant Johnson? I know that last part is more of an assistant coach forum question, but I'm mainly intersted in assessing Jones value at this point. Anyone thinks it's above 0?
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Foosball God
Foos
Jones is hanging by a thread on my dynasty team, I cut loose Michael Clayton ahead of him because I still hold out the inane hope that Jones could possibly be of fantasy revelance next year with a new team. He wouldn't be the first QB to WR convert that took a few years to develop.
