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Matt Ryan most important player in your FF draft (1 Viewer)

With this new NFL (passing wise I mean) it seems its almost imperative to get one of the top 5-6ish or be looking at a substantial gap between the 2 tiers.
+1 :thumbup: OR grab one you *think* will end up top 5 or 6.
I agree totally I just have never considered Cutler to be that good of a qb. Romo, Manning, Ryan I can see making the jump I just get uneasy about having to roll out Jay Cutler as my fantasy qb. Thats what makes it fun though. For me personally I am going to try and get Rodgers, Brees, Brady or Newton in that order depending on my draft position. If something happens to that then I am like you and will hold back and see what happens in the later rounds. I have to think I can get one of those guys though.

 
Back to the OP. Ryan will be value as long as he is undervalued. If he rises, then he will just end up being drafted where he should. Top 6 (imo of course).

Then, all that matters is which round he is actually being drafted in (ADP overall)--no auction.

 
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Back to the OP. Ryan will be value as long as he is undervalued. If he rises, then he will just end up being drafted where he should. Top 6 (imo of course).Then, all that matters is which round he is actually being drafted in (ADP overall)--no auction.
tonight will be key since a bunch of the drafting will take place later next week. I dont place that much value on preseason but there are people in every league that do. So if Ryan goes off in the preseason and if you think he is the key to your fantasy team as the OP suggests then you have to plan accordingly. If his adp is around 5.05 next week then that means you probably have to bite the bullet and take him in the 4rth.
 
I don't think Ryan has the arm to ever be an elite QB. Good QB, sure. QB that could win a Super Bowl under the right circumstances, sure. Elite QB?? IMO, he can't make all the throws. He can't attack a team everywhere on the field.

IMO there is a huge difference talent wise between Ryan and Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Stafford. There are lots of other guys after those four who are far more gifted than Ryan also.

 
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Down on the upside: 20 players I won't draft

By Pat Fitzmaurice

Excerpt:

In recent weeks I’ve been revisiting the work of the fine Seattle band Soundgarden. While listening to their underrated release “Down on the Upside,” it occurred to me that the title of that album reflects my feelings about the three principles of the Atlanta passing game: Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Roddy White.

Jones’ average draft position has skyrocketed to WR2, according to Fantasy Football Calculator, putting him behind only Calvin Johnson at the position. Jones tantalized fantasy owners by dominating in Atlanta’s first preseason game, catching six passes for 109 yards and a touchdown in just the first quarter. His teammate, White, is still widely considered a top-10 receiver, checking in at WR9. Ryan has a current ADP of QB9.

What’s wrong with this picture?

With two of his receivers in the top 10, shouldn’t Ryan come in higher than QB9, even if Jones and White catch an absurdly high percentage of Ryan’s completions? (And, hey, TE Tony Gonzalez is no slouch.) Ryan’s ADP is gaining steam. In 12-team redraft leagues, Ryan was being taken near the middle of the seventh round, on average, as of mid-July; he’s now being taken a full round higher. In a lot of leagues, Ryan will be the sixth, seventh or eighth quarterback to come off the board.

That’s interesting, because the last time Ryan played in a meaningful game, he guided the Falcons to exactly zero points in a humiliating playoff loss to the Giants, who ranked 29th in pass defense last season. Eli Manning produced more points for the Falcons than Ryan did in that game, spotting Atlanta an early deuce by intentionally grounding the ball from his own endzone. Ryan completed 24-of-41 passes for 199 yards — less than five yards per attempt.

It would be easier to overlook Ryan’s postseason hiccup had he not been so badly outplayed by Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers in the previous year’s playoffs. In that 48-21 loss at home, Ryan was 20-of-29 for 186 yards, with one TD pass and two interceptions, including a devastating pick-six thrown just before halftime.

So what? Why are you talking about playoff games? Fantasy owners are only concerned with the regular season, and Matty’s regular-season stats were good last year.

Fair enough. But Ryan’s shortcomings are often exposed when he’s asked to duel with truly elite passers like Rodgers, Drew Brees and, yes, Eli Manning. It’s hard to put Ryan in the elite class when it’s so painfully obvious that he doesn’t measure up against those guys head-to-head. The big reason why Ryan pales to his more accomplished peers is that he doesn’t handle the pass rush very well. Put heavy pressure on Ryan and he will show all the composure of a preteen girl at a One Direction concert.

A lack of poise when under duress is a problem for a quarterback whose offensive line is a notch below “meh” and whose left tackle is a sieve. For Falcons fans, the name Sam Baker elicits the sort of terror that children at Camp Crystal Lake feel when they hear the name Jason Voorhees. Baker and his cranky back will be responsible for protecting Ryan’s blind side. Be afraid, Matt Ryan fans. Be very afraid.

Ryan would do well to match last year’s numbers. A drop-off is far more likely than a jump to the elite level. And unless Ryan can make that improbable jump, there’s not an ice cream cone’s chance in hell that Jones and White are both going to finish as top-10 receivers.

Quintorris Lopez Jones — you should know Julio’s real name if you’re committed to reaching for him — does indeed look like a potential monster. Optimists note that his rookie numbers could have been positively sick had he not missed three games with a hamstring problem. (Pessimists owned Andre Johnson last year and know all about bad hamstrings.)

Thing is, if Jones is going to erupt for an epic season, White’s numbers are bound to fall off. White has averaged 100 catches over the past three seasons, with 29 TDs. And if White remains the steady, 100-catch, 1,200-yard guy he has been for so long, there’s no chance Jones is putting up Calvin Johnson-type numbers. There’s enough room in the margins for both to have good seasons, but it’s virtually impossible for both to live up to their current ADPs.

It’s a situation with vast potential for disappointment. There’s basically no chance I’ll end up with any of these three dudes in my drafts.
 
Down on the upside: 20 players I won't draft

By Pat Fitzmaurice

Excerpt:

In recent weeks I’ve been revisiting the work of the fine Seattle band Soundgarden. While listening to their underrated release “Down on the Upside,” it occurred to me that the title of that album reflects my feelings about the three principles of the Atlanta passing game: Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Roddy White.

Jones’ average draft position has skyrocketed to WR2, according to Fantasy Football Calculator, putting him behind only Calvin Johnson at the position. Jones tantalized fantasy owners by dominating in Atlanta’s first preseason game, catching six passes for 109 yards and a touchdown in just the first quarter. His teammate, White, is still widely considered a top-10 receiver, checking in at WR9. Ryan has a current ADP of QB9.

What’s wrong with this picture?

With two of his receivers in the top 10, shouldn’t Ryan come in higher than QB9, even if Jones and White catch an absurdly high percentage of Ryan’s completions? (And, hey, TE Tony Gonzalez is no slouch.) Ryan’s ADP is gaining steam. In 12-team redraft leagues, Ryan was being taken near the middle of the seventh round, on average, as of mid-July; he’s now being taken a full round higher. In a lot of leagues, Ryan will be the sixth, seventh or eighth quarterback to come off the board.

That’s interesting, because the last time Ryan played in a meaningful game, he guided the Falcons to exactly zero points in a humiliating playoff loss to the Giants, who ranked 29th in pass defense last season. Eli Manning produced more points for the Falcons than Ryan did in that game, spotting Atlanta an early deuce by intentionally grounding the ball from his own endzone. Ryan completed 24-of-41 passes for 199 yards — less than five yards per attempt.

It would be easier to overlook Ryan’s postseason hiccup had he not been so badly outplayed by Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers in the previous year’s playoffs. In that 48-21 loss at home, Ryan was 20-of-29 for 186 yards, with one TD pass and two interceptions, including a devastating pick-six thrown just before halftime.

So what? Why are you talking about playoff games? Fantasy owners are only concerned with the regular season, and Matty’s regular-season stats were good last year.

Fair enough. But Ryan’s shortcomings are often exposed when he’s asked to duel with truly elite passers like Rodgers, Drew Brees and, yes, Eli Manning. It’s hard to put Ryan in the elite class when it’s so painfully obvious that he doesn’t measure up against those guys head-to-head. The big reason why Ryan pales to his more accomplished peers is that he doesn’t handle the pass rush very well. Put heavy pressure on Ryan and he will show all the composure of a preteen girl at a One Direction concert.

A lack of poise when under duress is a problem for a quarterback whose offensive line is a notch below “meh” and whose left tackle is a sieve. For Falcons fans, the name Sam Baker elicits the sort of terror that children at Camp Crystal Lake feel when they hear the name Jason Voorhees. Baker and his cranky back will be responsible for protecting Ryan’s blind side. Be afraid, Matt Ryan fans. Be very afraid.

Ryan would do well to match last year’s numbers. A drop-off is far more likely than a jump to the elite level. And unless Ryan can make that improbable jump, there’s not an ice cream cone’s chance in hell that Jones and White are both going to finish as top-10 receivers.

Quintorris Lopez Jones — you should know Julio’s real name if you’re committed to reaching for him — does indeed look like a potential monster. Optimists note that his rookie numbers could have been positively sick had he not missed three games with a hamstring problem. (Pessimists owned Andre Johnson last year and know all about bad hamstrings.)

Thing is, if Jones is going to erupt for an epic season, White’s numbers are bound to fall off. White has averaged 100 catches over the past three seasons, with 29 TDs. And if White remains the steady, 100-catch, 1,200-yard guy he has been for so long, there’s no chance Jones is putting up Calvin Johnson-type numbers. There’s enough room in the margins for both to have good seasons, but it’s virtually impossible for both to live up to their current ADPs.

It’s a situation with vast potential for disappointment. There’s basically no chance I’ll end up with any of these three dudes in my drafts.
thats exactly what I have been trying to say
 
I don't think Ryan has the arm to ever be an elite QB. Good QB, sure. QB that could win a Super Bowl under the right circumstances, sure. Elite QB?? IMO, he can't make all the throws. He can't attack a team everywhere on the field. IMO there is a huge difference talent wise between Ryan and Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Stafford. There are lots of other guys after those four who are far more gifted than Ryan also.
Sure, but we are talking fantasy fball and not real football. Scheme, schedule, and talent around you can lead to better fantasy stats than how they would be ranked "in real life."Fantasy, where QBs like Fitzpatrick can be relevant.
 
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Rodgers is there to run the screen-game and be the RB in the no-huddle shotgun offense. This is not your plodding falcons of a few years back when Turner was new to town and Ryan was a young QB. Oh yeah, did you know Ryan is entering his athletic prime? And that Turner is too old, and Rodgers is too young to demand a huge number of carries?
:lmao:
:goodposting:Turner's YPC actually went up significantly last year. He's led the NFL in carries twice during his four years in Atlanta, but now he's too old to get a significant workload? Ridiculous.
 
I hate preseason for this reason. I can't count how many times I was high on a guy and he had a great preseason game and then every fantasy guppy in America started overdrafting the guy making the player overvalued and untouchable.

We are already seeing it with Julio Jones....heck I have seen him getting selected at the end of the 1st round. I remember the year I was high on JerMichael Finley and he had a huge preseason game the day before our draft and he went in the freaking 3rd round.

I wish we could draft before pre-season so that the guppies would have to depend on more than just their eyes and their automated cheetsheet that they just printed off the day before the draft, but nobody wants to lose a player to injury before the games even start.....rant over.

Now as for Ryan, as a guy that is planning on waiting on QB, I am high on Ryan...but I will not reach. There is a group of QB's bunched together that I feel fine drafting. People are down on Rivers, but in my league he scored exactly what Ryan did (300) in what was supposed to be a bad year for Rivers. Romo was 1 point behind and missed a game. Heck for all the Eli love last year...he was only 22 points up on all 3 of them.

Yes, I would like Ryan as a starter...but let the guppies reach and I will still find value at QB.

 
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I hate preseason for this reason. I can't count how many times I was high on a guy and he had a great preseason game and then every fantasy guppy in America started overdrafting the guy making the player overvalued and untouchable.

We are already seeing it with Julio Jones....heck I have seen him getting selected at the end of the 1st round. I remember the year I was high on JerMichael Finley and he had a huge preseason game the day before our draft and he went in the freaking 3rd round.

I wish we could draft before pre-season so that the guppies would have to depend on more than just their eyes and their automated cheetsheet that they just printed off the day before the draft, but nobody wants to lose a player to injury before the games even start.....rant over.

Now as for Ryan, as a guy that is planning on waiting on QB, I am high on Ryan...but I will not reach. There is a group of QB's bunched together that I feel fine drafting. People are down on Rivers, but in my league he scored exactly what Ryan did (300) in what was supposed to be a bad year for Rivers. Romo was 1 point behind and missed a game. Heck for all the Eli love last year...he was only 22 points up on all 3 of them.

Yes, I would like Ryan as a starter...but let the guppies reach and I will still find value at QB.
I'm pretty much in the same boat apart from the "guppy" part. The guy's stock is rising, fine. It doesn't mean he's not worth it, he's just not worth it (potentially) to me in light of some of the other things I want to try to do.
 
I heard the same thing before last season and his numbers were rather pedestrian. I'll let someone else draft him early and I will take my chances with Cutler, RG3, etc.
good luck with that
In a 4 point per passing TD league I'll load up on RB and WR and let the suckers draft the QBs early.
granted I have never played in a 4 point league like that (really whats the point) but wouldnt you want a really good qb then if td's are devalued like that?
No. With TD's worth less, QB's become less valuable. If QB TD's were worth 1 point, it almost wouldn't matter which QB you picked. If QB TD's were worth 20 points, Rogers, Brady, and Brees would easily be picks 1, 2, and 3.
 
Down on the upside: 20 players I won't draft

By Pat Fitzmaurice

Excerpt:

In recent weeks I’ve been revisiting the work of the fine Seattle band Soundgarden. While listening to their underrated release “Down on the Upside,” it occurred to me that the title of that album reflects my feelings about the three principles of the Atlanta passing game: Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Roddy White.

Jones’ average draft position has skyrocketed to WR2, according to Fantasy Football Calculator, putting him behind only Calvin Johnson at the position. Jones tantalized fantasy owners by dominating in Atlanta’s first preseason game, catching six passes for 109 yards and a touchdown in just the first quarter. His teammate, White, is still widely considered a top-10 receiver, checking in at WR9. Ryan has a current ADP of QB9.

What’s wrong with this picture?

With two of his receivers in the top 10, shouldn’t Ryan come in higher than QB9, even if Jones and White catch an absurdly high percentage of Ryan’s completions? (And, hey, TE Tony Gonzalez is no slouch.) Ryan’s ADP is gaining steam. In 12-team redraft leagues, Ryan was being taken near the middle of the seventh round, on average, as of mid-July; he’s now being taken a full round higher. In a lot of leagues, Ryan will be the sixth, seventh or eighth quarterback to come off the board.

That’s interesting, because the last time Ryan played in a meaningful game, he guided the Falcons to exactly zero points in a humiliating playoff loss to the Giants, who ranked 29th in pass defense last season. Eli Manning produced more points for the Falcons than Ryan did in that game, spotting Atlanta an early deuce by intentionally grounding the ball from his own endzone. Ryan completed 24-of-41 passes for 199 yards — less than five yards per attempt.

It would be easier to overlook Ryan’s postseason hiccup had he not been so badly outplayed by Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers in the previous year’s playoffs. In that 48-21 loss at home, Ryan was 20-of-29 for 186 yards, with one TD pass and two interceptions, including a devastating pick-six thrown just before halftime.

So what? Why are you talking about playoff games? Fantasy owners are only concerned with the regular season, and Matty’s regular-season stats were good last year.

Fair enough. But Ryan’s shortcomings are often exposed when he’s asked to duel with truly elite passers like Rodgers, Drew Brees and, yes, Eli Manning. It’s hard to put Ryan in the elite class when it’s so painfully obvious that he doesn’t measure up against those guys head-to-head. The big reason why Ryan pales to his more accomplished peers is that he doesn’t handle the pass rush very well. Put heavy pressure on Ryan and he will show all the composure of a preteen girl at a One Direction concert.

A lack of poise when under duress is a problem for a quarterback whose offensive line is a notch below “meh” and whose left tackle is a sieve. For Falcons fans, the name Sam Baker elicits the sort of terror that children at Camp Crystal Lake feel when they hear the name Jason Voorhees. Baker and his cranky back will be responsible for protecting Ryan’s blind side. Be afraid, Matt Ryan fans. Be very afraid.

Ryan would do well to match last year’s numbers. A drop-off is far more likely than a jump to the elite level. And unless Ryan can make that improbable jump, there’s not an ice cream cone’s chance in hell that Jones and White are both going to finish as top-10 receivers.

Quintorris Lopez Jones — you should know Julio’s real name if you’re committed to reaching for him — does indeed look like a potential monster. Optimists note that his rookie numbers could have been positively sick had he not missed three games with a hamstring problem. (Pessimists owned Andre Johnson last year and know all about bad hamstrings.)

Thing is, if Jones is going to erupt for an epic season, White’s numbers are bound to fall off. White has averaged 100 catches over the past three seasons, with 29 TDs. And if White remains the steady, 100-catch, 1,200-yard guy he has been for so long, there’s no chance Jones is putting up Calvin Johnson-type numbers. There’s enough room in the margins for both to have good seasons, but it’s virtually impossible for both to live up to their current ADPs.

It’s a situation with vast potential for disappointment. There’s basically no chance I’ll end up with any of these three dudes in my drafts.
thats exactly what I have been trying to say
There's no argument here, the author is simply stating a conclusion.ATL has two great fantasy WRs

But the ATL QB isn't a great fantasy QB

Therefore ATL can't actually have two great fantasy WRs

and then the ATL QB really can't be great.

That's pretty much it.

It's just as easy to say that those two stud WRs will make Ryan just like Moss and Carter made Culpepper early in his career. And in two games against the Saints last year, Ryan threw for 724 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT, so I don't think it's fair to say he can't keep up with elite QBs. Against Vick last year, he threw 4 TDs. Against Cam newton he threw 4 TDs.

 
I'll trust my eyes. Ryan is a mediocre starting QB. Over the course of a season that will play out, and he won't sniff the top 5. Don't get me wrong Ryan is good enough to put up some very good fantasy weeks. Maybe even a nice string of weeks. I just think he'll end up 500-1000 yards and 5-10 TDs behind the elite guys again.

 
18 for 21, 171 yds? This guys gonna be going in the 4th rd by the time my draft rolls around
In the next week or so I think his adp will rise to QB6 or 7, just before or after Vick.
I can't see him rising over Vick. After Brady, Brees and Rodgers, Vick is the only quarterback that has the potential to be the number 1 scoring quarterback in the league. The reason he is 6th or 7th is the injury risk.
 
I can't see him rising over Vick. After Brady, Brees and Rodgers, Vick is the only quarterback that has the potential to be the number 1 scoring quarterback in the league. The reason he is 6th or 7th is the injury risk.
....yeah, and Stafford :yes:
 
You guys will have to draft him earlier than you think and you will have to balance your expectations and draft slot you are willing to take him

Mock all you want all it takes is one league mate high on him and you better have a backup plan when he gets taken before you

Never understood basing your entire draft strategy on ONE guy being there in the 6th etc

 
I'll trust my eyes. Ryan is a mediocre starting QB. Over the course of a season that will play out, and he won't sniff the top 5. Don't get me wrong Ryan is good enough to put up some very good fantasy weeks. Maybe even a nice string of weeks. I just think he'll end up 500-1000 yards and 5-10 TDs behind the elite guys again.
Pretty much where I am at as well right now.He'd have to fall to me where his past performance dictates rather than taking him based on "upside".Too much tape that tells a different tale than his current valuations suggest.
 
If some of you had a clue and saw the schedule you would realize Cutler is thr money play not Ryan. Have you seen the other 3 Nrc N; NFC W; AFC S play pass D? Add Dallas and it's horrible secondary and Car to that....

 
With this new NFL (passing wise I mean) it seems its almost imperative to get one of the top 5-6ish or be looking at a substantial gap between the 2 tiers.
+1 :thumbup: OR grab one you *think* will end up top 5 or 6.
I agree totally I just have never considered Cutler to be that good of a qb. Romo, Manning, Ryan I can see making the jump I just get uneasy about having to roll out Jay Cutler as my fantasy qb. Thats what makes it fun though. For me personally I am going to try and get Rodgers, Brees, Brady or Newton in that order depending on my draft position. If something happens to that then I am like you and will hold back and see what happens in the later rounds. I have to think I can get one of those guys though.
Devon Hester Johny Knox Earl Bennett Roy freaking WilliamsVs

Brandon Marshall Alshon Jeffrey Devin Hester Earl Bennett

You either get it. Or you don't.....FF is for people who can project and stay ahead of the pack

 
With this new NFL (passing wise I mean) it seems its almost imperative to get one of the top 5-6ish or be looking at a substantial gap between the 2 tiers.
+1 :thumbup: OR grab one you *think* will end up top 5 or 6.
I agree totally I just have never considered Cutler to be that good of a qb. Romo, Manning, Ryan I can see making the jump I just get uneasy about having to roll out Jay Cutler as my fantasy qb. Thats what makes it fun though. For me personally I am going to try and get Rodgers, Brees, Brady or Newton in that order depending on my draft position. If something happens to that then I am like you and will hold back and see what happens in the later rounds. I have to think I can get one of those guys though.
Devon Hester Johny Knox Earl Bennett Roy freaking WilliamsVs

Brandon Marshall Alshon Jeffrey Devin Hester Earl Bennett

You either get it. Or you don't.....FF is for people who can project and stay ahead of the pack
Um...Brandon Marshall...Alshon Jeffrey...Devin Hester...Kellen Davis

vs

Roddy White...Julio Jones...Harry Douglas...Tony Gonzalez

White = Marshall, Jones > Jeffrey, Douglas > Hester, Gonzales > Davis

Add the fact that Ryan is a better QB than Cutler...I take Ryan over Cutler easily. Cutler is just the cheaper buy now with all the hype around Ryan. But if I can get Ryan cheap, he's mine.

 
I don't get why this is such rocket science. Over the last two seasons, Ryan's 2010 and 2011 seasons rank #12 and #13 in pass attempts (568 and 565). The Falcons are already a passing team. Ryan's YPA increased from 6.5 to 7.4... maybe something to do with Julio Jones? If Julio is beast this year, and the defense has to pick its poison between him and Roddy White in single coverage, Ryan's YPA must be at least 7.5.

There are only 11 QBs in the last two seasons who have attempted more passes than Ryan. Among them, Schaub threw for 4,350; Rivers for 4,600; Eli for 4,900. I'll avoid the Brady/Brees/Stafford/Manning numbers because they are elite and Ryan is not elite. Yet in Julio's rookie year, Ryan has already thrown for 4,100 yards.

The Falcons will throw the ball more this year, conservatively 5% more. That's 596 pass attempts. Give him his 62% completion percentage (because as mentioned above, he's a decent quarterback, but not great).

596 attempts x 7.5 YPA = 4,470 yards.

He's also put up 340 yards in about 3 quarters of pre-season running the shotgun no huddle offense. Julio and Roddy have put up numbers with him last season, and so far in the preseason.

He's done it, he's doing it now, and he's going to do more. I'd say you have to look pretty hard to find reasons not to think that Ryan is at least going to be about QB6, with QB3-4 upside.

 
Down on the upside: 20 players I won't draft

By Pat Fitzmaurice

Excerpt:

In recent weeks I’ve been revisiting the work of the fine Seattle band Soundgarden. While listening to their underrated release “Down on the Upside,” it occurred to me that the title of that album reflects my feelings about the three principles of the Atlanta passing game: Matt Ryan, Julio Jones and Roddy White.

Jones’ average draft position has skyrocketed to WR2, according to Fantasy Football Calculator, putting him behind only Calvin Johnson at the position. Jones tantalized fantasy owners by dominating in Atlanta’s first preseason game, catching six passes for 109 yards and a touchdown in just the first quarter. His teammate, White, is still widely considered a top-10 receiver, checking in at WR9. Ryan has a current ADP of QB9.

What’s wrong with this picture?

With two of his receivers in the top 10, shouldn’t Ryan come in higher than QB9, even if Jones and White catch an absurdly high percentage of Ryan’s completions? (And, hey, TE Tony Gonzalez is no slouch.) Ryan’s ADP is gaining steam. In 12-team redraft leagues, Ryan was being taken near the middle of the seventh round, on average, as of mid-July; he’s now being taken a full round higher. In a lot of leagues, Ryan will be the sixth, seventh or eighth quarterback to come off the board.

That’s interesting, because the last time Ryan played in a meaningful game, he guided the Falcons to exactly zero points in a humiliating playoff loss to the Giants, who ranked 29th in pass defense last season. Eli Manning produced more points for the Falcons than Ryan did in that game, spotting Atlanta an early deuce by intentionally grounding the ball from his own endzone. Ryan completed 24-of-41 passes for 199 yards — less than five yards per attempt.

It would be easier to overlook Ryan’s postseason hiccup had he not been so badly outplayed by Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers in the previous year’s playoffs. In that 48-21 loss at home, Ryan was 20-of-29 for 186 yards, with one TD pass and two interceptions, including a devastating pick-six thrown just before halftime.

So what? Why are you talking about playoff games? Fantasy owners are only concerned with the regular season, and Matty’s regular-season stats were good last year.

Fair enough. But Ryan’s shortcomings are often exposed when he’s asked to duel with truly elite passers like Rodgers, Drew Brees and, yes, Eli Manning. It’s hard to put Ryan in the elite class when it’s so painfully obvious that he doesn’t measure up against those guys head-to-head. The big reason why Ryan pales to his more accomplished peers is that he doesn’t handle the pass rush very well. Put heavy pressure on Ryan and he will show all the composure of a preteen girl at a One Direction concert.

A lack of poise when under duress is a problem for a quarterback whose offensive line is a notch below “meh” and whose left tackle is a sieve. For Falcons fans, the name Sam Baker elicits the sort of terror that children at Camp Crystal Lake feel when they hear the name Jason Voorhees. Baker and his cranky back will be responsible for protecting Ryan’s blind side. Be afraid, Matt Ryan fans. Be very afraid.

Ryan would do well to match last year’s numbers. A drop-off is far more likely than a jump to the elite level. And unless Ryan can make that improbable jump, there’s not an ice cream cone’s chance in hell that Jones and White are both going to finish as top-10 receivers.

Quintorris Lopez Jones — you should know Julio’s real name if you’re committed to reaching for him — does indeed look like a potential monster. Optimists note that his rookie numbers could have been positively sick had he not missed three games with a hamstring problem. (Pessimists owned Andre Johnson last year and know all about bad hamstrings.)

Thing is, if Jones is going to erupt for an epic season, White’s numbers are bound to fall off. White has averaged 100 catches over the past three seasons, with 29 TDs. And if White remains the steady, 100-catch, 1,200-yard guy he has been for so long, there’s no chance Jones is putting up Calvin Johnson-type numbers. There’s enough room in the margins for both to have good seasons, but it’s virtually impossible for both to live up to their current ADPs.

It’s a situation with vast potential for disappointment. There’s basically no chance I’ll end up with any of these three dudes in my drafts.
lol, losing two playoff games against the eventual Super Bowl champions is a good predictor for how he will do this season? This is one of the five worst FF articles I have ever read.
 
I don't get why this is such rocket science. Over the last two seasons, Ryan's 2010 and 2011 seasons rank #12 and #13 in pass attempts (568 and 565). The Falcons are already a passing team. Ryan's YPA increased from 6.5 to 7.4... maybe something to do with Julio Jones? If Julio is beast this year, and the defense has to pick its poison between him and Roddy White in single coverage, Ryan's YPA must be at least 7.5.There are only 11 QBs in the last two seasons who have attempted more passes than Ryan. Among them, Schaub threw for 4,350; Rivers for 4,600; Eli for 4,900. I'll avoid the Brady/Brees/Stafford/Manning numbers because they are elite and Ryan is not elite. Yet in Julio's rookie year, Ryan has already thrown for 4,100 yards. The Falcons will throw the ball more this year, conservatively 5% more. That's 596 pass attempts. Give him his 62% completion percentage (because as mentioned above, he's a decent quarterback, but not great).596 attempts x 7.5 YPA = 4,470 yards. He's also put up 340 yards in about 3 quarters of pre-season running the shotgun no huddle offense. Julio and Roddy have put up numbers with him last season, and so far in the preseason.He's done it, he's doing it now, and he's going to do more. I'd say you have to look pretty hard to find reasons not to think that Ryan is at least going to be about QB6, with QB3-4 upside.
This is a great post and one of the main reasons this board is the best for fantasy.Having said that for me making a strategy about the draft I tend to not draft people assuming they are going to have career years to justify where I pick them in the draft. Thats a good way to tank your season. Sure the high risk/high reward style works in fantasy but it also can implode your team from a talent perspective. IMO the best way to build a team is to accumulate as much proven talent as you can and hope the ball bounces your way a few times during the year. Drafting people expecting career years (which is what you are assuming above) is just not a method that I have found consistent to winning.
 
I don't get why this is such rocket science. Over the last two seasons, Ryan's 2010 and 2011 seasons rank #12 and #13 in pass attempts (568 and 565). The Falcons are already a passing team. Ryan's YPA increased from 6.5 to 7.4... maybe something to do with Julio Jones? If Julio is beast this year, and the defense has to pick its poison between him and Roddy White in single coverage, Ryan's YPA must be at least 7.5.

There are only 11 QBs in the last two seasons who have attempted more passes than Ryan. Among them, Schaub threw for 4,350; Rivers for 4,600; Eli for 4,900. I'll avoid the Brady/Brees/Stafford/Manning numbers because they are elite and Ryan is not elite. Yet in Julio's rookie year, Ryan has already thrown for 4,100 yards.

The Falcons will throw the ball more this year, conservatively 5% more. That's 596 pass attempts. Give him his 62% completion percentage (because as mentioned above, he's a decent quarterback, but not great).

596 attempts x 7.5 YPA = 4,470 yards.

He's also put up 340 yards in about 3 quarters of pre-season running the shotgun no huddle offense. Julio and Roddy have put up numbers with him last season, and so far in the preseason.

He's done it, he's doing it now, and he's going to do more. I'd say you have to look pretty hard to find reasons not to think that Ryan is at least going to be about QB6, with QB3-4 upside.
This is a great post and one of the main reasons this board is the best for fantasy.Having said that for me making a strategy about the draft I tend to not draft people assuming they are going to have career years to justify where I pick them in the draft. Thats a good way to tank your season. Sure the high risk/high reward style works in fantasy but it also can implode your team from a talent perspective. IMO the best way to build a team is to accumulate as much proven talent as you can and hope the ball bounces your way a few times during the year. Drafting people expecting career years (which is what you are assuming above) is just not a method that I have found consistent to winning.
Does Matt Ryan have to have a career year to justify a 5-6 round pick?
 
I don't get why this is such rocket science. Over the last two seasons, Ryan's 2010 and 2011 seasons rank #12 and #13 in pass attempts (568 and 565). The Falcons are already a passing team. Ryan's YPA increased from 6.5 to 7.4... maybe something to do with Julio Jones? If Julio is beast this year, and the defense has to pick its poison between him and Roddy White in single coverage, Ryan's YPA must be at least 7.5.

There are only 11 QBs in the last two seasons who have attempted more passes than Ryan. Among them, Schaub threw for 4,350; Rivers for 4,600; Eli for 4,900. I'll avoid the Brady/Brees/Stafford/Manning numbers because they are elite and Ryan is not elite. Yet in Julio's rookie year, Ryan has already thrown for 4,100 yards.

The Falcons will throw the ball more this year, conservatively 5% more. That's 596 pass attempts. Give him his 62% completion percentage (because as mentioned above, he's a decent quarterback, but not great).

596 attempts x 7.5 YPA = 4,470 yards.

He's also put up 340 yards in about 3 quarters of pre-season running the shotgun no huddle offense. Julio and Roddy have put up numbers with him last season, and so far in the preseason.

He's done it, he's doing it now, and he's going to do more. I'd say you have to look pretty hard to find reasons not to think that Ryan is at least going to be about QB6, with QB3-4 upside.
This is a great post and one of the main reasons this board is the best for fantasy.Having said that for me making a strategy about the draft I tend to not draft people assuming they are going to have career years to justify where I pick them in the draft. Thats a good way to tank your season. Sure the high risk/high reward style works in fantasy but it also can implode your team from a talent perspective. IMO the best way to build a team is to accumulate as much proven talent as you can and hope the ball bounces your way a few times during the year. Drafting people expecting career years (which is what you are assuming above) is just not a method that I have found consistent to winning.
Does Matt Ryan have to have a career year to justify a 5-6 round pick?
Relative to the other qbs you can grab there...Maybe. I'm a believer in Ryan this year, although I don't think I'd spend a 5th on him. But I can certainly target him in the 6th and if he's not there I will happily take Eli/Peyton/Rivers instead.

 
The question mark on Ryan and the Falcons offense is if they can convert in the Red Zone. We saw an example last night where they went 3 passes and a FG. Does Tony Gonzalez catch that ball most time? Probably. But still something to ponder.

 
I don't get why this is such rocket science. Over the last two seasons, Ryan's 2010 and 2011 seasons rank #12 and #13 in pass attempts (568 and 565). The Falcons are already a passing team. Ryan's YPA increased from 6.5 to 7.4... maybe something to do with Julio Jones? If Julio is beast this year, and the defense has to pick its poison between him and Roddy White in single coverage, Ryan's YPA must be at least 7.5.

There are only 11 QBs in the last two seasons who have attempted more passes than Ryan. Among them, Schaub threw for 4,350; Rivers for 4,600; Eli for 4,900. I'll avoid the Brady/Brees/Stafford/Manning numbers because they are elite and Ryan is not elite. Yet in Julio's rookie year, Ryan has already thrown for 4,100 yards.

The Falcons will throw the ball more this year, conservatively 5% more. That's 596 pass attempts. Give him his 62% completion percentage (because as mentioned above, he's a decent quarterback, but not great).

596 attempts x 7.5 YPA = 4,470 yards.

He's also put up 340 yards in about 3 quarters of pre-season running the shotgun no huddle offense. Julio and Roddy have put up numbers with him last season, and so far in the preseason.

He's done it, he's doing it now, and he's going to do more. I'd say you have to look pretty hard to find reasons not to think that Ryan is at least going to be about QB6, with QB3-4 upside.
This is a great post and one of the main reasons this board is the best for fantasy.Having said that for me making a strategy about the draft I tend to not draft people assuming they are going to have career years to justify where I pick them in the draft. Thats a good way to tank your season. Sure the high risk/high reward style works in fantasy but it also can implode your team from a talent perspective. IMO the best way to build a team is to accumulate as much proven talent as you can and hope the ball bounces your way a few times during the year. Drafting people expecting career years (which is what you are assuming above) is just not a method that I have found consistent to winning.
Does Matt Ryan have to have a career year to justify a 5-6 round pick?
I wasnt really talking about a specific round just picking him a round or two above whatever his adp is, which people above are referring. If he was going in FFC 6.01 then I would imagine his adp will be in the low 5's by next weekend meaning you potentially have to burn a late 3rd or early 4rth to absolutely guarantee yourself to get him, something the OP initially says as the key to your season. Right now he is an awesome 6th/5th round pick but anything below that then it gets a little nerve racking for me. But like I said each player has their own strategy. Its always a little dicey to fall in love with a particular player assuming that is the hypothetical we are doing here with Ryan. If you are sticking to your plan and he falls to you in the 5/6 range than bullseye. I do feel a little hypocritical saying that as I stated above I am targeting a top 4ish qb in the top 2 rounds. I think the divide and the way the NFL is right now its really important to have a gunslinger on your roster.
 
I had him penciled in as my 5th round pick, a little above his adp. Now though, he has climbed to the point where the value is no longer there. I'll take my chances elsewhere, unless he happens to slip because I'm in a Panthers homer league.

 
The reason Ryan usually sucks as a fantasy QB is they were always happy to hand it off to Turner three times at the goal line. Will that change this year?

 
The reason Ryan usually sucks as a fantasy QB is they were always happy to hand it off to Turner three times at the goal line. Will that change this year?
I think it will. Turner will still get chances, but if you watched last night's game, ATL has 1st and Goal on the 4 (?):-Quick slant to Julio Jones, tackled at the 2-Quick fade to Tony Gonzalez that he drops-pass batted down at the line, would've been an easy TDNow I'm sure they were just working the kinks out of these plays...I doubt they call 3 passes in a row at the 5, but they're in the playbook.and for what it's worth- the quick slant to Julio looked awesome. the DB made a great tackle or it would've been 6.
 
after last night's performance, there is no doubt in my mind that someone in my QB heavy league is going to take him late 2nd/early 3rd, probably as the 6th QB off the board (after Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Stafford and Newton).

 
after last night's performance, there is no doubt in my mind that someone in my QB heavy league is going to take him late 2nd/early 3rd, probably as the 6th QB off the board (after Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Stafford and Newton).
Yeah thats my league for sure.
 
I would argue that in highly competitive leagues, players have been "reaching" for Matt Ryan by a round above adp for a few weeks now and will continue to do so.
I'm high on Ryan this year as well, but people "reaching" for him are defeating the whole purpose of targeting him. We have people in this thread considering him in the third round now. If that's the case, I'd rather just sit back and wait on the QBs that were ahead of him in the rankings a few weeks back like Romo, Eli, Rivers,, etc. When all is said and done, in all likelihood the second tier QBs are all going to finish within 2-4 ppg of eachother anyway.
 
I would argue that in highly competitive leagues, players have been "reaching" for Matt Ryan by a round above adp for a few weeks now and will continue to do so.
I'm high on Ryan this year as well, but people "reaching" for him are defeating the whole purpose of targeting him. We have people in this thread considering him in the third round now. If that's the case, I'd rather just sit back and wait on the QBs that were ahead of him in the rankings a few weeks back like Romo, Eli, Rivers,, etc. When all is said and done, in all likelihood the second tier QBs are all going to finish within 2-4 ppg of eachother anyway.
Yeah but some are saying Ryan is in for a huge year. Top 5 caliber. I remember the same hype from Rivers a couple of years ago. He went like 1.12 in one league and in the second in another. People get excited and lose the ability to rationalize the situation. But face it we all have been there before in fantasy.
 
I completely agree, my friends and i are 17 year ff experts, 1st place is almost 40k, and the whispers around my league is Ryan is going late 2nd/ early 3rd now :(

 
I completely agree, my friends and i are 17 year ff experts, 1st place is almost 40k, and the whispers around my league is Ryan is going late 2nd/ early 3rd now :(
So to justify that then you are banking on a career type year. While it may happen it still is not a good fantasy strategy to use. If he would go in the 2nd then I would like to see how the next few rounds move. Would people make a run on QB's pushing players further down? Probably.
 
I would argue that in highly competitive leagues, players have been "reaching" for Matt Ryan by a round above adp for a few weeks now and will continue to do so.
I'm high on Ryan this year as well, but people "reaching" for him are defeating the whole purpose of targeting him. We have people in this thread considering him in the third round now. If that's the case, I'd rather just sit back and wait on the QBs that were ahead of him in the rankings a few weeks back like Romo, Eli, Rivers,, etc. When all is said and done, in all likelihood the second tier QBs are all going to finish within 2-4 ppg of eachother anyway.
Yeah but some are saying Ryan is in for a huge year. Top 5 caliber. I remember the same hype from Rivers a couple of years ago. He went like 1.12 in one league and in the second in another. People get excited and lose the ability to rationalize the situation. But face it we all have been there before in fantasy.
That's fine - but him sneaking into the top 5 when you take him in Round 6 or 7 is great. Taking him in Round 3, he BETTER finish top 5 or you made a mistake.

Matt Ryan could very well finish top 5, but after the top 4 so could Newton, Manning(s), Romo, Rivers, and Vick.

 
I would argue that in highly competitive leagues, players have been "reaching" for Matt Ryan by a round above adp for a few weeks now and will continue to do so.
I'm high on Ryan this year as well, but people "reaching" for him are defeating the whole purpose of targeting him. We have people in this thread considering him in the third round now. If that's the case, I'd rather just sit back and wait on the QBs that were ahead of him in the rankings a few weeks back like Romo, Eli, Rivers,, etc. When all is said and done, in all likelihood the second tier QBs are all going to finish within 2-4 ppg of eachother anyway.
Yeah but some are saying Ryan is in for a huge year. Top 5 caliber. I remember the same hype from Rivers a couple of years ago. He went like 1.12 in one league and in the second in another. People get excited and lose the ability to rationalize the situation. But face it we all have been there before in fantasy.
That's fine - but him sneaking into the top 5 when you take him in Round 6 or 7 is great. Taking him in Round 3, he BETTER finish top 5 or you made a mistake.

Matt Ryan could very well finish top 5, but after the top 4 so could Newton, Manning(s), Romo, Rivers, and Vick.
I agree, that is a #### ton of points to give up between the 3 rounds if he pulls in just an average year.
 
Newton didn't play defense
Correct. Which is why the QB duel argument is stupid.Is it possible Ryan chokes in playoff games? Sure.Is it possible Ryan isn't that good but gets carried by his team? Sure.But it doesn't make much sense to claim that the opposing QB somehow causes Ryan to miss throws or get happy feet in the pocket. And that's what that article's author is implying.
 

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