Matthew Stafford, QB, Detroit Lions (1 Viewer)

[Tony Reali]

i didnt bump this for nothin dammit

 

[fCheeze]

Stafford + hill for rest of year

 

[TheFootballJesus]

Same. I'm rolling with Stafford and Shaun Hill.

 

[Saint]

i didnt bump this for nothin dammit

I'll play as an earlier supporter of Stafford. For the record:Current Stats: 244 completions for 2,843 yards, 25 TDs, 10 INT, 33 rush yards, 0 TDs, 3 FumblesIf you project his stats over 16 games, then his numbers look like this:Forecasted Stats: 390 completions for 4,549 yards, 40 TDs, 16 INT, 53 rush yards, 0 TDs, 5 Fumbles

 

[Tony Reali]

Same. I'm rolling with Stafford and Shaun Hill.

yeah that's what I was planning on too I think. i have eli but i think i could probably get a good player for him and then just have hill as my backupalthough i actually bumped this because it was funny to see everyone saying how he'd be out after week 3

 

[Dentist]

Stafford when he plays at home, and I have Romo, and i'll play whoever's at home or in a temperature controlled environment.

 

[BobbyLayne]

4150 yards + 33 TDs

(with two games left)

Exceeded all expectations.

By the way, in the history of the NFL, only one 23 year old quarterback has exceeded Stafford's 2011 numbers - Marino in 1984.

 

[Grahamburn]

Absolutely exceptional performance today. Wow.

 

[flapgreen]

I got so lucky drafting this guy. There were a lot of other guys I wanted but they were gone by the time it got to me. Stafford!!! Woo hooo!!!

 

[Phenix]

i want to have his baby.

he kept my season alive, i owe him.

 

[Hendo]

I still remember all the "Sanchez over Stafford" love in his rookie year... needless to say that has become comical at best

 

[drater]

Wow, a staff ranking of 13. This guy has to be the most overhyped fantasy player of 2011. I can throw this glass man farther than his career yards per attempt. Given his high price, his inflated production (tons of throws w/a low ypa), and his injury risk, this guy is an easy pass.

Speaking of an easy pass, I'm going to take a pass on projections for him. I mean, what are the chances he plays 16 games anyway? But these 4k yard projections are pretty funny for a guy who has only thrown for over 250 yards twice. And he's only thrown the ball under 30 times twice. That's all sorts of messed up.

Post of the year, IMO. Would subscribe to newsletter.

 

[shadyridr]

I fail to see how a THREAT of a running game is your enemy. With no threat, which is what Detroit had last year after Best's injury, everyone knew that Stafford had to pass the ball. Defenses could key on the pass rush and sent more guys into coverage, forcing many 3 and outs and severely lowering Stafford's passing statistics. I happen to think that having Best coming out of the backfield and occupying LB's and safeties will open up the passing game, leading to more ypr and more sustained drives. Houston put up over 4000 yards + ground out 20 rushing TD's last year with an above average offense and fairly weak D. That is more how I am seeing Detroit panning out.Where did I say Stafford would have a Pro-bowl O-line? Exaggerate much? Let's list what we actually know:-terrible ypa numbers-------------------playing from behind with Calvin the lone threat for most of the past two years, what do you expect?-historically high att/gm---------------playing from behind with Calvin the lone threat for most of the past two years, what do you expect?-improving run game--------------------improving to average, up from complete suckage-improving defense---------------------improving to average, up from complete suckage-injury prone--------------------------when everyone knows you are passing, they bring the heat every down. With more threats, teams can't go all out to take Stafford's head off. If they do ANYTHING in FA to improve the line, he should stay on his feet longer. With another year under his belt, he'll develop and get smarter, knowing when to throw the ball away rather than taking sacks.-#1 draft pick-------------------------not getting your point here.-great surrounding skill players-------One GREAT skill player in Calvin, 1 dynamic RB in Best who SHOULD be a great target out of the backfield in the flat and possibly in the slot, LeShoure should be able to gain some short yardage first downs, Pettigrew seemed to do well in his rookie year last year. I wouldn't say Stafford has a GREAT surrounding cast, but it should be 50% better than last year and it is 200% better than what Stafford had to work with in his rookie year.Detroit is a new team compared to what they looked like just 2 years ago. I'm not believing the hype of 4000 yards and 30 TD's. I'm also not believing that Stafford is a below average piece of glass either. You mention Flacco...he's decent, but he's also had a top Defense keeping him in ball games and has one of the best running games in the league to keep Defenses honest, he has the perfect storm. I'm not completely disagreeing with you here that the hype is out of control, those calling for 4000 are certainly optimistic.

Haha, Stafford apologists are so blind to logic. On one hand you want a "threat" of a running game, but since you only say Flacco is "decent" then you clearly don't want the running game to actually play a role. Because the only thing that makes Flacco "decent" to you is that he is just a 3600/24/12 guy. You seem to think he benefits from a "perfect storm" but really that combination of a running game and defense is what limits him as a FF QB. Had Flacco gotten Matt Ryan's number of passing attempts he'd have put up over 4200/29/15 and would be considered a tier 2 QB. Instead he is seen as mired in mediocrity due to his sub-500 passing attempts. His 7.4 ypa is not elite, but it is head and shoulders better than the likes of Stafford and Ryan. He actually finished as QB11 last year, too. Yet he is going QB16 while Stafford is QB13.I never said that you said he'd have a pro bowl line. Sensitive much? I was making a veiled comment that he'd need one to match these projections. I was also saying that it is dumb to act like "we don't know what they'll do in free agency" is some sort of a positive. I mean, c'mon. Don't put that kind of crap in a list of positives. You might as well add "they might bring in Moss" if you want to start listing off stuff that hasn't happened as positives.Now let's hit on your list of explanation for his shortcomings:-His terrible ypa is because he's playing from behind and only has Calvin? Really? That's the best excuse? Kitna was on a terrible Detroit team and he still managed over 7 ypa. Pettigrew was a first round pick. Scheffler and Burleson were brought in last year to help. Schaub hit over 8 ypa with just AJ and no ground game in 2009 (before you mention it, Daniels was hurt).-historically high att/gm is because they were playing from behind. This is true and it the lone cause for anything resembling decent totals for Stafford. If they get a defense or a ground game and his attempts decrease, so do his numbers.-Speaking of which, you are certain both will improve. Yet you still think Stafford is at the very least worthy of a QB13 ranking.-Injury prone. Some teams throw the ball 600+ times a year and yet their QB stays on the field game in and game out. Those defenses know the pass is coming. Yet the QB stays in and avoids the hit or weathers the hit. This guy is Samuel Jackson in Unbreakable. Props to him for coming back in the game while hurt, but I don't want an injured QB starting for my FF team.-I mention that he's a 1st round pick and surrounded by skill players because that's what everyone sees and is blinded by the fact that the guy has done next to nothing with the exception of one game against a horrible team. And FWIW, Pettigrew is entering his 3rd season and Burleson is seen as a solid WR2. Best is a 1st round pick and LeShoure is a highly touted second rounder. Combine those guys with a #1 overall pick and the FF hype will come. That's what we've got here. An injury prone #1 pick who has been crappy thus far but is almost being drafted as a starter.If you want to draw comparisons to Houston, fine. The Texans' defense actually allowed the most yardage and the 4th most points last year (29th and 32nd). They were 19th in rushing attempts. Schaub completed 63.6% of his 574 passes for a career low 7.6 ypa. The Lions' defense was 19th in pts and 21st in yardage. They were 24th in rushing attempts. Stafford has a career 54.5 comp. % (it jumped to 59.4 in 2.5 games last year if you are comfortable with that sample size) and a career 5.9 ypa (it dropped from 6.0 to 5.6 last year). So even if he could survive ~570 attempts, how many yards would he eek out of that with such a terrible ypa? Or a better question is, just how drastic of a jump in ypa are you projecting? And do you think he'll have that many attempts if the defense improves further and the run game develops?You see how this just doesn't add up? I'm not trying to be a d***. I'm just trying to get the Stafford apologists to think rationally. Neither the situation nor the skills seem to add up to an injury prone player being worth a QB13 ranking. Jim Schwartz doesn't want to throw the football 550-600 times if he can help it and Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts.I'm not saying it is impossible, but when all factors are taken into account, the guy is overhyped right now (no way he hits 4000 yards or becomes a top 5 QB) and even over-ranked by the staff at QB13.

 

[SacramentoBob]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

 

[Hendo]

Stafford just all his critics

 

[Leroy Hoard]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

 

[FF Ninja]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

 

[jurb26]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

So, you can't just admit you were wrong? Good to know....

 

[Leroy Hoard]

 

[shadyridr]

 

[Ilov80s]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

 

[Ilov80s]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

If Stafford had thrown it the same number of times as say Mark Sanchez (542 times, 10th more attempts in NFL), Stafford would have had 4,000 yards and 33 TDs which would still have made him a Top 10 QB.

 

[Louisville Slugger]

Stafford just threw for 5,011 yds and 41 td's...He is 23 years old. He may very well be the best single player to own in dynasty formats going forward.

 

[saintsfan]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

I heard this kind of "crawfishing" from one of my league mates who, when I drafted Stafford as the 11th QB taken, shouted loudly "reach."Throughout the year, he patently refused to give Stafford any credit, much less giving me any credit for drafting him.

One fantasy championship later, that guy owes me lunch. You can make all the arguments you want. You were wrong. The guy is a stud. Only 4 QBs have thrown for 5,000 yards. He's one of 'em.

At 23 years old, Stafford is probably the QB to have in all dynasty leagues.

 

[Hendo]

Wow, a staff ranking of 13. This guy has to be the most overhyped fantasy player of 2011. I can throw this glass man farther than his career yards per attempt. Given his high price, his inflated production (tons of throws w/a low ypa), and his injury risk, this guy is an easy pass.Speaking of an easy pass, I'm going to take a pass on projections for him. I mean, what are the chances he plays 16 games anyway? But these 4k yard projections are pretty funny for a guy who has only thrown for over 250 yards twice. And he's only thrown the ball under 30 times twice. That's all sorts of messed up.

Hahahahaha....... Hahahahaha..... Ha!

 

[Captain Blowhard]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

Just own up being clueless, out to lunch, and flat-out wrong. You spinning this--and still saying he's not an "elite qb"--makes you look like a ####ing idiot.

 

[matuski]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

oof.

 

[Saint]

I've watched every snap that he has had in his NFL carrier. Including the plays where he's been injured. I'm one of the guys that think that his shoulder injuries wont be an issue going into the future. It can happen to anyone and the fact that it happened to him two years in a row was a fluke IMO. When he is out on the field he plays very well. He's left a very good impression on me. IMO, if I am right about his injury issues. I think he will be a top 5 QB in the league. I'm going to predict that he starts every game that the NFL plays this season.

16 games - 4029 yards - 32 TD'S - 14 INT'S

I'm confident enough in Stafford's future that I traded away Mike Vick. So I put my money where my mouth is on this one!

The winner of the most accurate stats in the post. Only 1,000 yards under his total... but many props for projecting the most. As I took Stafford as my #1 in a 16-team league for pretty much the reasons many of us supported in the thread, I guess we were all just "lucky." Reality wise is.. naysayers were and it's okay to admit it.

 

[Mister CIA]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

You remind me of someone.

 

[Kenny Powers]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

oof.

Ninja, when the guy who said he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a fight calls you out, you know youre wrong.

 

[SacramentoBob]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

oof.

Ninja, when the guy who said he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a fight calls you out, you know youre wrong.

 

[Grahamburn]

We could probably bump all of these player spotlights and find someone who was wrong in every single one of them. How many of you piling on this guy made a post in this thread with the same amount of analysis he did?

He was flat out wrong, but at least he brought something productive to the thread before the games were played.

This just makes the board worse. I love the spotlights at the beginning of the season. This guy didn't start his own thread saying he didn't like Stafford in 2011. Why even make predictions in player spotlights if your projections are going to be bumped later so board members can have a good laugh?

 

[shadyridr]

We could probably bump all of these player spotlights and find someone who was wrong in every single one of them. How many of you piling on this guy made a post in this thread with the same amount of analysis he did?

He was flat out wrong, but at least he brought something productive to the thread before the games were played.

This just makes the board worse. I love the spotlights at the beginning of the season. This guy didn't start his own thread saying he didn't like Stafford in 2011. Why even make predictions in player spotlights if your projections are going to be bumped later so board members can have a good laugh?

I think the reason his predictions were bumped were due to comments like this

Haha, Stafford apologists are so blind to logic.

If you're gonna act like an ###, expect to be called out on it when you're wrong

 

[Grahamburn]

All that being said, I get that there was quite a bit of condescension in his original post, and he didn't help matters with his response after it was bumped.

 

[Grahamburn]

We could probably bump all of these player spotlights and find someone who was wrong in every single one of them. How many of you piling on this guy made a post in this thread with the same amount of analysis he did?

He was flat out wrong, but at least he brought something productive to the thread before the games were played.

This just makes the board worse. I love the spotlights at the beginning of the season. This guy didn't start his own thread saying he didn't like Stafford in 2011. Why even make predictions in player spotlights if your projections are going to be bumped later so board members can have a good laugh?

I think the reason his predictions were bumped were due to comments like this

Haha, Stafford apologists are so blind to logic.

If you're gonna act like an ###, expect to be called out on it when you're wrong

Agree there. I remember reading this thread, and that particular post, before the season thinking the same thing. I just don't want people to avoid posting in spotlights for fear of being called out for their thoughts. I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers that never post. These threads are the best source for information, imo.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

If you're gonna act like an ###, expect to be called out on it when you're wrong

 

[matuski]

He's not just a shark folks, he's a ninja.

Can't win them all. It is a probability game. 9 times out of 10 logic is going to win over "gut feelings" which is all Stafford fans were banking on. I specifically said "Stafford would require meteoric improvements to become a startable FF QB with less than 600 attempts." He did improve his ypa quite a bit - but keep in mind it is only an average number at best in today's game - but none of you thought he'd throw the ball 663 times. The guy is far from an elite QB. He has greatly benefited from having the best jump ball WR in the game to boost both his TD numbers and his yards. His NFL high pass attempts clearly boosted his fantasy totals. No one here thought he'd throw the ball that much. Everyone just thought he was a stud, but no he's still an average QB who needs a lot of attempts which it did not appear was the intent for the Lions to begin the season.Stafford had a lot of risks. The defense was supposed to be vastly improved, they drafted a RB to grind down their opponents, he has been injury prone, his ypa sucked... Not a smart draft pick from a risk/reward perspective, but that doesn't mean the peasants won't rejoice when they hit the lottery. We can pretend like those risks were never present and this was a no-brainer decision. Those stats were all lies and Stafford was always destined to drop back and throw the ball over 40 times a game and hold up through 16 games. Meh. The same people who drafted Stafford are the people who ignore all the warning signs and draft with the hype. They are the ones who draft Sam Bradford, Jahvid Best, DeSean Jackson, DMC, and Felix Jones but they don't bump those threads. They bump their one victory and gloat.

oof.

Ninja, when the guy who said he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a fight calls you out, you know youre wrong.

 

[FF Ninja]

Lots of guppies patting themselves on the back. Every spotlight is like a stock market forum, full of pumpers who don't know much about the company but are bullish that the stock will jump 200% in the next month. Then there is the realist who does the research and reports that the odds are against that happening and all the pumpers flip out on him and say he's dumb. Then one of those stocks go through the roof and the pumpers think they are brilliant. In the long term these guys end up losing all their money due to gambling on stocks like BPAX, and while the wise investor may miss out on a hit here and there he ends up with a solid portfolio.

So dump on me all you want, but I'm right way more than I'm wrong. And I do this using my head and not my gut. Do I get irritated with all the posts pumping a guy without any real analysis? Yes. Do I get condescending? Yes. The majority of people in here aren't good at looking at numbers or any sort of analysis, but they've all go strong opinions. It's like a room full of Shannon Sharpes. I've got a lot better things to do than read opinions of the uninformed and my irritation shows. I'll still throw out my analysis when I've got the time in the hope for a counterpoint from someone with something more to say than "I've watched all his games since college. He'll be a stud." I'm probably in the wrong place for that, though. So continue to talk smack. Maybe I'll get sick of it and you'll be left with a forum full of people with nothing worthwhile to add, but who will all agree that every player is ready to blow up this year. Then when you lose your league you'll at least be able to bump a couple threads in week 17 and say how smart you all are.

 

[cobalt_27]

Lots of guppies patting themselves on the back. Every spotlight is like a stock market forum, full of pumpers who don't know much about the company but are bullish that the stock will jump 200% in the next month. Then there is the realist who does the research and reports that the odds are against that happening and all the pumpers flip out on him and say he's dumb. Then one of those stocks go through the roof and the pumpers think they are brilliant. In the long term these guys end up losing all their money due to gambling on stocks like BPAX, and while the wise investor may miss out on a hit here and there he ends up with a solid portfolio. So dump on me all you want, but I'm right way more than I'm wrong. And I do this using my head and not my gut. Do I get irritated with all the posts pumping a guy without any real analysis? Yes. Do I get condescending? Yes. The majority of people in here aren't good at looking at numbers or any sort of analysis, but they've all go strong opinions. It's like a room full of Shannon Sharpes. I've got a lot better things to do than read opinions of the uninformed and my irritation shows. I'll still throw out my analysis when I've got the time in the hope for a counterpoint from someone with something more to say than "I've watched all his games since college. He'll be a stud." I'm probably in the wrong place for that, though. So continue to talk smack. Maybe I'll get sick of it and you'll be left with a forum full of people with nothing worthwhile to add, but who will all agree that every player is ready to blow up this year. Then when you lose your league you'll at least be able to bump a couple threads in week 17 and say how smart you all are.

Ninja Real ULTIMATE power!!!!

 

[nxmehta]

Lots of guppies patting themselves on the back. Every spotlight is like a stock market forum, full of pumpers who don't know much about the company but are bullish that the stock will jump 200% in the next month. Then there is the realist who does the research and reports that the odds are against that happening and all the pumpers flip out on him and say he's dumb. Then one of those stocks go through the roof and the pumpers think they are brilliant. In the long term these guys end up losing all their money due to gambling on stocks like BPAX, and while the wise investor may miss out on a hit here and there he ends up with a solid portfolio. So dump on me all you want, but I'm right way more than I'm wrong. And I do this using my head and not my gut. Do I get irritated with all the posts pumping a guy without any real analysis? Yes. Do I get condescending? Yes. The majority of people in here aren't good at looking at numbers or any sort of analysis, but they've all go strong opinions. It's like a room full of Shannon Sharpes. I've got a lot better things to do than read opinions of the uninformed and my irritation shows. I'll still throw out my analysis when I've got the time in the hope for a counterpoint from someone with something more to say than "I've watched all his games since college. He'll be a stud." I'm probably in the wrong place for that, though. So continue to talk smack. Maybe I'll get sick of it and you'll be left with a forum full of people with nothing worthwhile to add, but who will all agree that every player is ready to blow up this year. Then when you lose your league you'll at least be able to bump a couple threads in week 17 and say how smart you all are.

Yes, everyone who thought Stafford was going to have a good year is some kind of dumb serial gambler???Yeah, you show em!!! It's you against the world! Dude, you were wrong, all of us get our predictions wrong, is it really necessary to post a diatribe? When the rest us dummies are wrong, it's not a big deal. Most (reasonable) people just say, "Damn, I missed that one" and move on. But when you're wrong I guess it's end of the world...Also,

 

[cstu]

Lots of guppies patting themselves on the back. Every spotlight is like a stock market forum, full of pumpers who don't know much about the company but are bullish that the stock will jump 200% in the next month. Then there is the realist who does the research and reports that the odds are against that happening and all the pumpers flip out on him and say he's dumb. Then one of those stocks go through the roof and the pumpers think they are brilliant. In the long term these guys end up losing all their money due to gambling on stocks like BPAX, and while the wise investor may miss out on a hit here and there he ends up with a solid portfolio. So dump on me all you want, but I'm right way more than I'm wrong. And I do this using my head and not my gut. Do I get irritated with all the posts pumping a guy without any real analysis? Yes. Do I get condescending? Yes. The majority of people in here aren't good at looking at numbers or any sort of analysis, but they've all go strong opinions. It's like a room full of Shannon Sharpes. I've got a lot better things to do than read opinions of the uninformed and my irritation shows. I'll still throw out my analysis when I've got the time in the hope for a counterpoint from someone with something more to say than "I've watched all his games since college. He'll be a stud." I'm probably in the wrong place for that, though. So continue to talk smack. Maybe I'll get sick of it and you'll be left with a forum full of people with nothing worthwhile to add, but who will all agree that every player is ready to blow up this year. Then when you lose your league you'll at least be able to bump a couple threads in week 17 and say how smart you all are.

Yes, everyone who thought Stafford was going to have a good year is some kind of dumb serial gambler???Yeah, you show em!!! It's you against the world! Dude, you were wrong, all of us get our predictions wrong, is it really necessary to post a diatribe? When the rest us dummies are wrong, it's not a big deal. Most (reasonable) people just say, "Damn, I missed that one" and move on. But when you're wrong I guess it's end of the world...Also,

C'mon, who would want to draft a guy who threw 6 TD to 1 INT in 2 1/2 games the prior year and has Calvin Johnson to throw to?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Lots of guppies patting themselves on the back. Every spotlight is like a stock market forum, full of pumpers who don't know much about the company but are bullish that the stock will jump 200% in the next month. Then there is the realist who does the research and reports that the odds are against that happening and all the pumpers flip out on him and say he's dumb. Then one of those stocks go through the roof and the pumpers think they are brilliant. In the long term these guys end up losing all their money due to gambling on stocks like BPAX, and while the wise investor may miss out on a hit here and there he ends up with a solid portfolio. So dump on me all you want, but I'm right way more than I'm wrong. And I do this using my head and not my gut. Do I get irritated with all the posts pumping a guy without any real analysis? Yes. Do I get condescending? Yes. The majority of people in here aren't good at looking at numbers or any sort of analysis, but they've all go strong opinions. It's like a room full of Shannon Sharpes. I've got a lot better things to do than read opinions of the uninformed and my irritation shows. I'll still throw out my analysis when I've got the time in the hope for a counterpoint from someone with something more to say than "I've watched all his games since college. He'll be a stud." I'm probably in the wrong place for that, though. So continue to talk smack. Maybe I'll get sick of it and you'll be left with a forum full of people with nothing worthwhile to add, but who will all agree that every player is ready to blow up this year. Then when you lose your league you'll at least be able to bump a couple threads in week 17 and say how smart you all are.

Odd that you make this post shortly after Stafford throws for 380yds and 3TDs in the playoffs

 

[MSULions]

1500 yards/12 TD/8 INT

I love these bumps.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Lots of guppies patting themselves on the back. Every spotlight is like a stock market forum, full of pumpers who don't know much about the company but are bullish that the stock will jump 200% in the next month. Then there is the realist who does the research and reports that the odds are against that happening and all the pumpers flip out on him and say he's dumb. Then one of those stocks go through the roof and the pumpers think they are brilliant. In the long term these guys end up losing all their money due to gambling on stocks like BPAX, and while the wise investor may miss out on a hit here and there he ends up with a solid portfolio. So dump on me all you want, but I'm right way more than I'm wrong. And I do this using my head and not my gut. Do I get irritated with all the posts pumping a guy without any real analysis? Yes. Do I get condescending? Yes. The majority of people in here aren't good at looking at numbers or any sort of analysis, but they've all go strong opinions. It's like a room full of Shannon Sharpes. I've got a lot better things to do than read opinions of the uninformed and my irritation shows. I'll still throw out my analysis when I've got the time in the hope for a counterpoint from someone with something more to say than "I've watched all his games since college. He'll be a stud." I'm probably in the wrong place for that, though. So continue to talk smack. Maybe I'll get sick of it and you'll be left with a forum full of people with nothing worthwhile to add, but who will all agree that every player is ready to blow up this year. Then when you lose your league you'll at least be able to bump a couple threads in week 17 and say how smart you all are.

Maybe the dumbest post I've ever read. And it's 4 am. Stafford is a stud any way you cut it. Rocket arm and Calvin to throw to. What more do u want from a fantasy qb?

 

[AmosMoses]

1500 yards/12 TD/8 INT

I love these bumps.

You sure are in a good mood, for you know... LOSING.

 

[drfeelgood]

1500 yards/12 TD/8 INT

I love these bumps.

You sure are in a good mood, for you know... LOSING.

Do you ever stop being a tool?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Only a ninja can stop a ninja.

 

[AmosMoses]

1500 yards/12 TD/8 INT

I love these bumps.

You sure are in a good mood, for you know... LOSING.

Do you ever stop being a tool?

I bet you could use a hug.

 

[BobbyLayne]

1500 yards/12 TD/8 INT

 

[AmosMoses]

1500 yards/12 TD/8 INT

I don't think it's so ridiculous for thinking he will be injured again. At least you aren't insulting me, so I guess that's a bonus.