Max Hall (1 Viewer)

[wigg12]

With Max Hall now officially named the starting QB for Arizona how do you think he fairs the rest of the year? Is he an upgrade from D. Anderson or downgrade? Does he improve Arizona's chances of winning by getting the ball to Fitz, Breaston (when he gets back) and S. Williams? What do you think his fantasy implications are this year and in the future?

Personally, he seems like a talented guy and I think he gives Arizona a better chance at winning. His numbers should be better than Andersons which means his WR corp should improve as well. My major concern is that he will throw a ton of INTs which make him a bad fantasy option this year, but could have dynasty value in the coming years. Overall, I like this move, however I would have thought they would have waited until thier BYE week to officially make the change.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

With Max Hall now officially named the starting QB for Arizona how do you think he fairs the rest of the year? Is he an upgrade from D. Anderson or downgrade? Does he improve Arizona's chances of winning by getting the ball to Fitz, Breaston (when he gets back) and S. Williams? What do you think his fantasy implications are this year and in the future?

Personally, he seems like a talented guy and I think he gives Arizona a better chance at winning. His numbers should be better than Andersons which means his WR corp should improve as well. My major concern is that he will throw a ton of INTs which make him a bad fantasy option this year, but could have dynasty value in the coming years. Overall, I like this move, however I would have thought they would have waited until thier BYE week to officially make the change.

I'm just curious if anyone thinks the Saints are a good DST start vs ARI this week......or if Hall is a good start.

If Leinert had been named the starter, I think a lot more people would have rushed in to grab him, albeit maybe not start him. Hall is still owned in just 4% of CBS leagues.

Hall's preseason stats are so-so, he only got in 27 passes in 4 games.

But then I just noticed (did not get to watch all the games this week unfortunately) what he did in about one half of football - 6 sacks?

http://www.nfl.com/players/maxhall/profile?id=HAL445025

Edit:

Fitzgerald, I think is still a good buy. If Hall does not play well after the first two weeks, I think he will gradually improve.

Wells might be an upgrade too as the Cards may just try to run it much more.

A note about starting the Saints: they have lost not 1 safety (Sharper), not two (Harper), not 3 (Prioleau), but ***4 safeties (Ries).

I don't know if Harper's playing this week.

 

[shader]

In re-draft leagues he's practically worthless. In dynasty leagues, you have to get him just to see what happens.

I don't see how it can be any worse for Fitzgerald. Anderson was making Fitzgerald waiver wire fodder.

I've heard that Hall doesn't lack for confidence and will throw the tough passes. It will be fun to watch, but in the end, rookie QB's usually just aren't very good, and this move reeks of desperation.

It's hard to imagine that Matt Leinart couldn't have done better than this.

 

[identikit]

Hall will have the usual rookie qb issues, but will still perform better than DA.

More of a comment on how truly bad DA is.

 

[Football Jones]

The Cards are in a pickle. I couldn't believe they cut Leinart when it happened. They made a critical mistake putting the QB position in the hands of Anderson & two rookies. Not that Leinart could save them, but I think it's pretty evident now he's better than what they kept.

Hall is NOT the answer, but Skelton likely isn't ready. Hall is smart, gritty, & all that, but he's not a long-term NFL starter, IMO. Skelton is a very good prospect & was a steal where they got him, but he was raw coming out of Fordham. He's got outstanding tools, though. Skelton could be the real deal if he doesn't get thrown to the wolves too early.

 

[The Dude]

I am holding him in a redraft - I just want to catch lightning in a bottle - ala Anderson in Cleveland

 

[mcjc4]

Im a season ticket holder for several years and anyone who is hoping for a sencond half surge from Fitz is in trouble. QB is not the only problem. This O-line is terrible, Hall will keep some plays alive because he is much more mobile than DA,I dont believe 31 other teams completed wiffed on Max Hall in a 7 round draft. He does not lack confidence thats for damn sure.

He is somewhat of a local hero here in Mesa,AZ. Put up great numbers in High School, went to ASU, but transfered to BYU to play for his church team. The biggest challenge for him is, he has never seen the game played at this speed before. They also don't have a defense that can hold people to 17 points or less like rookies like Sanchez and Flacco had. He will have to be the focal point of the offense. This not good for a rookie.

 

[Sylira21]

Rookie QB in his first start behind a rotten O-line? How can the Saints NOT be a good start this week?

 

[JbizzleMan]

Im a season ticket holder for several years and anyone who is hoping for a sencond half surge from Fitz is in trouble. QB is not the only problem. This O-line is terrible, Hall will keep some plays alive because he is much more mobile than DA,I dont believe 31 other teams completed wiffed on Max Hall in a 7 round draft. He does not lack confidence thats for damn sure.

He is somewhat of a local hero here in Mesa,AZ. Put up great numbers in High School, went to ASU, but transfered to BYU to play for his church team. The biggest challenge for him is, he has never seen the game played at this speed before. They also don't have a defense that can hold people to 17 points or less like rookies like Sanchez and Flacco had. He will have to be the focal point of the offense. This not good for a rookie.

Tell that to Tony Romo...

 

[Insein]

Im a season ticket holder for several years and anyone who is hoping for a sencond half surge from Fitz is in trouble. QB is not the only problem. This O-line is terrible, Hall will keep some plays alive because he is much more mobile than DA,I dont believe 31 other teams completed wiffed on Max Hall in a 7 round draft. He does not lack confidence thats for damn sure.

He is somewhat of a local hero here in Mesa,AZ. Put up great numbers in High School, went to ASU, but transfered to BYU to play for his church team. The biggest challenge for him is, he has never seen the game played at this speed before. They also don't have a defense that can hold people to 17 points or less like rookies like Sanchez and Flacco had. He will have to be the focal point of the offense. This not good for a rookie.

Tell that to Tony Romo...

Or Tom Brady. Just to clarify, I don't think Hall will be close to either of those 2. But Hall has some upside in the short term. I mean, how much worse than DA can he be?

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I think Hall definitely upgrades the Saints D this week.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Saints D will feast this week.

One thing is sure - Hall likes to throw to his WRs. Williams and Fitz were targeted on something like 70% of his attempts.

 

[The Ref]

I think Hall will help Fitz numbers but will throw INT's in the process and hurt the team.

If I am a rookie QB, I'm throwing to my all world WR and hope that he helps me out.

 

[DiStefano]

Hall was pretty good in college when he had Austin Collie to throw to. Nobody realized how good Collie really was.

He prepares well, and has lots of confidence. But he's not going to have a great rookie year. Very few ever do, and when they do, it's because they have a good o-line.

 

[plyka]

Im a season ticket holder for several years and anyone who is hoping for a sencond half surge from Fitz is in trouble. QB is not the only problem. This O-line is terrible, Hall will keep some plays alive because he is much more mobile than DA,I dont believe 31 other teams completed wiffed on Max Hall in a 7 round draft. He does not lack confidence thats for damn sure.He is somewhat of a local hero here in Mesa,AZ. Put up great numbers in High School, went to ASU, but transfered to BYU to play for his church team. The biggest challenge for him is, he has never seen the game played at this speed before. They also don't have a defense that can hold people to 17 points or less like rookies like Sanchez and Flacco had. He will have to be the focal point of the offense. This not good for a rookie.

Brady and Romo have already been mentioned. But you can also tell that to guys like Rick Mirer or Ryan Leaf who were the 2nd overall picks in the draft and busted out in incredible fashion. I remember Mirer was supposed to be the next Joe Montana!!! Using NFL draft position as evidence of someone's ability is a tragic mistake in judgement. QB especially is a very difficult position to draft, as is RB to some extent. Oline, D line, most of the defense, etc., are much better positions to judge by draft #. These are positions where talent goes a long way. QB, no way. The funny thing is that this is coming from a Arizona Cardinal season ticket holder. The only quarterback to ever take your team to the superbowl was BAGGING GROCERIES 5 years before he took the Cardinals to the freakin superbowl! NFL draft position? PUHLEASE!

 

[identikit]

Interesting fact from Kent Somers, beat writer for the Cardinals:

According to Bob Young of the AZ Rep (local newspaper), no undrafted rookie QB has started as early as Max Hall since replacement players during 1987 strike.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Im a season ticket holder for several years and anyone who is hoping for a sencond half surge from Fitz is in trouble. QB is not the only problem. This O-line is terrible, Hall will keep some plays alive because he is much more mobile than DA,I dont believe 31 other teams completed wiffed on Max Hall in a 7 round draft. He does not lack confidence thats for damn sure.He is somewhat of a local hero here in Mesa,AZ. Put up great numbers in High School, went to ASU, but transfered to BYU to play for his church team. The biggest challenge for him is, he has never seen the game played at this speed before. They also don't have a defense that can hold people to 17 points or less like rookies like Sanchez and Flacco had. He will have to be the focal point of the offense. This not good for a rookie.

Brady and Romo have already been mentioned. But you can also tell that to guys like Rick Mirer or Ryan Leaf who were the 2nd overall picks in the draft and busted out in incredible fashion. I remember Mirer was supposed to be the next Joe Montana!!! Using NFL draft position as evidence of someone's ability is a tragic mistake in judgement. QB especially is a very difficult position to draft, as is RB to some extent. Oline, D line, most of the defense, etc., are much better positions to judge by draft #. These are positions where talent goes a long way. QB, no way. The funny thing is that this is coming from a Arizona Cardinal season ticket holder. The only quarterback to ever take your team to the superbowl was BAGGING GROCERIES 5 years before he took the Cardinals to the freakin superbowl! NFL draft position? PUHLEASE!

Yeah, but Warner did his time learning in several training camps for at least a couple teams, playing for the Amsterdam Admirals and Iowa Barnstormers, training himself to release the ball before some crazy lineman with absolutely nothing to lose came crashing through the line to tear his head off. Delhomme, also undrafted, went through the same process.Max Hall is just 4 games out of his first training camp and preseason.

 

[bryan215]

If Hall was 6'4 instead of 6'1 he would have been drafted in the late rounds 5-7

If he was 6'4 and had a stronger arm he would have been drafted in the top rounds 1-4

The main reason Leinart was cut is

1. He was unwilling to be the backup. He felt he was entitled to be a starter regardless of how he acted and performed because he was Matt Leinart.

2. Hall displayed more leadership ability, picked up the offense incredibly quick which shocked Whiz and Co., and he was by far their best QB thru training camp. They couldn't risk cutting Skelton and they knew Hall would be claimed if they cut him. So they either had to cut DA who they just signed to a new guaranteed contract and who was a team player, or cut Hot Tub Matt who was a headache int he locker room.

 

[Federal]

Thankfully the DA experiment was short. I am going to enjoy the next couple of days imagining Max Hall taking on the role of the Cardinals savior... but mid way through the 2nd quarter of Sundays game, after Hall has been pressured/sacked by the blitzing Saints for the umpteenth time, I am sure to be reunited with reality (this isn't the spot I would pick for his debut, but I am excited to see him get the start). I am a huge Max Hall fan, but I don't expect much from him this weekend. Instead of leading a monumental upset victory that gets his team back on track, I am trying to manage personal expectations and will be happy if he shows some "flashes of competence" and leaves the field under his own power.

Peter King isn't helping though

Cardinals may have the next Kurt Warner

Late in the first half of the final preseason game against Washington, Hall was driving the Cardinals. On one play, he missed an open receiver, the check-down receiver, in his progression. And on another play, Hall took a big hit trying to get a couple of extra yards, instead of going down and protecting himself. When he came over for the two-minute warning, Hall got an earful from coach Ken Whisenhunt.

"Look, you can't miss that checkdown!'' Whisenhunt yelled. "And you can't take a big hit like that! Think out there!''

Hall fired back at him: "OK, it happened! I screwed up! Fine! Let's move on!''

"You know who that reminds me of?'' Whisenhunt said to me over the phone.

"Kurt Warner,'' I said.

"Kurt Warner, that's right,'' he said.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ.../#ixzz11mwHIIdQ

I still have a little time to day dream...

 

[Raider Nation]

If Hall was 6'4 instead of 6'1 he would have been drafted in the late rounds 5-7If he was 6'4 and had a stronger arm he would have been drafted in the top rounds 1-4

So basically... if Max Hall was Dan Marino, he'd be a better prospect.

 

[Go Blue]

I really don't see how Max Hall upgrades the Saints Def. Honestly, his rookie mistakes probably will be less than Derek Anderson's veteran mistakes.

While I'm far from ready to say he's the next Kurt Warner, the kid really does have the "It" factor about him. I think that will to win, will makes the Cards a better team in the long run.

Hall doesn't strike me as a guy that will get shell shocked in his first game. I'm predicting 220 yards passing with 1-2 TD's. Saints are REALLY hurting at safety these days.

 

[Federal]

More Max Hall Kool-aide

Wolf: Max Hall and faith

So why do I believe this kid can do the job? I ask myself this even as I write it. I have no reply other than saying that I do. I believe my eyes. I have seen him from day one in Flagstaff and recall the times I laughed out loud and said to anybody within ear-shot, "All the kid does is complete passes."

In this age of "enlightenment," people are mocked for their beliefs. If you don't have proof, shut your mouth or scorn and loathing will be your reward for believing in things unseen.

I don't care. I have been mocked before. People mocked me when I was bold enough to voice my hopes of getting a college scholarship. People mocked me when I said I wanted to play in the National Football League. People mock; it's what many of us do.

So let me be clear: I believe Max Hall is special. And I believe Max Hall will be successful in the NFL.

After all, he has the "It Factor."

Who needs size, arm strength, and experience when you have "IT"?

 

[Joe Summer]

I think Hall will help Fitz numbers but will throw INT's in the process and hurt the team.

Funny, I think it will be exactly the opposite. Hall will hurt Fitz's numbers but he won't throw very many INTs (because he won't throw many passes at all).

 

[Joe Summer]

"You know who that reminds me of?'' Whisenhunt said to me over the phone.

"Kurt Warner,'' I said.

"Kurt Warner, that's right,'' he said.

Kurt Warner was an undrafted rookie in 1994, just like Max Hall is right now. Warner was cut by the Packers.Warner's 2nd year was 1995. He still wasn't ready for the NFL.

Warner's 3rd year was 1996. He still wasn't ready for the NFL.

Warner's 4th year was 1997. He still wasn't ready for the NFL.

Warner's 5th year was 1998. He finally made an NFL roster although he only appeared in 1 game.

Warner did not throw a touchdown in the NFL until his 6th year after college.

Anyway, talk to me about Max Hall in 2015.

 

[bulger2holt]

If Max Hall was Sam Bradford I think Fitz would get a bump.

 

[SSOG]

The Cards are in a pickle. I couldn't believe they cut Leinart when it happened. They made a critical mistake putting the QB position in the hands of Anderson & two rookies. Not that Leinart could save them, but I think it's pretty evident now he's better than what they kept.Hall is NOT the answer, but Skelton likely isn't ready. Hall is smart, gritty, & all that, but he's not a long-term NFL starter, IMO. Skelton is a very good prospect & was a steal where they got him, but he was raw coming out of Fordham. He's got outstanding tools, though. Skelton could be the real deal if he doesn't get thrown to the wolves too early.

How is it "pretty evident" that Matt Leinart is better than two guys who performed better than he did in camps and made the final roster over him?

 

[Donnybrook]

With Max Hall now officially named the starting QB for Arizona how do you think he fairs the rest of the year? Is he an upgrade from D. Anderson or downgrade? Does he improve Arizona's chances of winning by getting the ball to Fitz, Breaston (when he gets back) and S. Williams? What do you think his fantasy implications are this year and in the future?

Personally, he seems like a talented guy and I think he gives Arizona a better chance at winning. His numbers should be better than Andersons which means his WR corp should improve as well. My major concern is that he will throw a ton of INTs which make him a bad fantasy option this year, but could have dynasty value in the coming years. Overall, I like this move, however I would have thought they would have waited until thier BYE week to officially make the change.

Wow. I must have missed this info with all the Moss trade news etc.

 

[Traders2001]

Im a season ticket holder for several years and anyone who is hoping for a sencond half surge from Fitz is in trouble. QB is not the only problem. This O-line is terrible, Hall will keep some plays alive because he is much more mobile than DA,I dont believe 31 other teams completed wiffed on Max Hall in a 7 round draft. He does not lack confidence thats for damn sure.He is somewhat of a local hero here in Mesa,AZ. Put up great numbers in High School, went to ASU, but transfered to BYU to play for his church team. The biggest challenge for him is, he has never seen the game played at this speed before. They also don't have a defense that can hold people to 17 points or less like rookies like Sanchez and Flacco had. He will have to be the focal point of the offense. This not good for a rookie.

Brady and Romo have already been mentioned. But you can also tell that to guys like Rick Mirer or Ryan Leaf who were the 2nd overall picks in the draft and busted out in incredible fashion. I remember Mirer was supposed to be the next Joe Montana!!! Using NFL draft position as evidence of someone's ability is a tragic mistake in judgement. QB especially is a very difficult position to draft, as is RB to some extent. Oline, D line, most of the defense, etc., are much better positions to judge by draft #. These are positions where talent goes a long way. QB, no way. The funny thing is that this is coming from a Arizona Cardinal season ticket holder. The only quarterback to ever take your team to the superbowl was BAGGING GROCERIES 5 years before he took the Cardinals to the freakin superbowl! NFL draft position? PUHLEASE!

Exactly what i tought ..

 

[Joe Summer]

How is it "pretty evident" that Matt Leinart is better than two guys who performed better than he did in camps and made the final roster over him?

Leinart had the best preseason game stats of all the Arizona quarterbacks. That's undeniable. You can choose to ignore those stats and go with less empirical information (such as the words of a washed up sportswriter), but I personally would prefer to go with what I've seen with my own eyes.Furthermore, NFL rosters are littered with players who weren't as good as players who were cut. But sometimes there are other factors that come into play when it comes to roster decisions (salary, age, chemistry, etc.). Frankly I'm surprised that you would be so eager to dismiss that notion when it comes to Leinart.Either way, you can only hold on to your word-of-mouth "evidence" for a limited amount of time. At some point Hall and Skelton will have to take the field to back up the claims that they're actually better than Leinart. Until then, your posturing is meaningless.

 

[SSOG]

How is it "pretty evident" that Matt Leinart is better than two guys who performed better than he did in camps and made the final roster over him?

Leinart had the best preseason game stats of all the Arizona quarterbacks. That's undeniable. You can choose to ignore those stats and go with less empirical information (such as the words of a washed up sportswriter), but I personally would prefer to go with what I've seen with my own eyes.Furthermore, NFL rosters are littered with players who weren't as good as players who were cut. But sometimes there are other factors that come into play when it comes to roster decisions (salary, age, chemistry, etc.). Frankly I'm surprised that you would be so eager to dismiss that notion when it comes to Leinart.Either way, you can only hold on to your word-of-mouth "evidence" for a limited amount of time. At some point Hall and Skelton will have to take the field to back up the claims that they're actually better than Leinart. Until then, your posturing is meaningless.

First off, what were Leinart's preseason stats? What were Hall's? I couldn't find them anywhere, so I went into the game logs and manually tallied them myself. Matt Leinart was 19/23 for 161 with 1 TD and 0 INTs (and 1 carry for 0 yards). Max Hall was 16/27 for 285 with 1 TD and 1 INT (and 5 carries for 14 yards and another TD). Are Leinart's stats better than Hall's? Well, he did have that sick comp%, and he didn't throw an INT... but his yards per completion was revolting because he was continuously checking down. Max Hall averaged substantially more yards per attempt (10.6 ypa vs. 7.0 ypa), and he chipped in that rushing TD to boot. I'd say his extra 120 passing yards offset the fact that he had an INT and Leinart didn't. I'd call Hall's stats better, but even if you disagree, saying that it's "undeniable" that Leinart's stats were better than Hall's is absurd. It's perfectly deniable. I just denied it.Second off, the "less empirical information" isn't the words of a washed up sportswriter, it's the words of ARIZONA'S HEAD COACH, as reported by a washed up sportswriter. Peter King never said that Max Hall was the best QB in Arizona this offseason. Peter King said that KEN WHISENHUNT said that Max Hall was the best QB in Arizona this offseason.Third off, how the hell am I posturing? Where did I make this claim that Max Hall was better than Matt Leinart? Someone said it was "pretty evident" that Leinart was better than Hall. That's 100% factually incorrect. It's not at all evident. It's possible that Leinart is better than Hall, but there's a huge difference between "possible" and "evident". Neither guy has gotten enough work for anything to be "pretty evident", but if anything, the EVIDENCE points to Max Hall being the better QB, given his coach's support and the fact that he's still on the roster.

 

[Joe Summer]

First off, what were Leinart's preseason stats? What were Hall's? I couldn't find them anywhere, so I went into the game logs and manually tallied them myself. Matt Leinart was 19/23 for 161 with 1 TD and 0 INTs (and 1 carry for 0 yards).

I would suggest that you go back and tally them again, then try your comeback again.

 

[benm3218]

I think Hall looked pretty good for a 1st NFL start. I don't think he'll be fantasy relevant this year, but I think if he improves on what I saw yesterday he can start for them and keep the job. He looked pretty fearless throwing the ball and clearly wants to use Fitz. I liked what I saw.

Dynasty he is a good keeper I think.

 

[bryan215]

If Matt Leinart is so great why is he a 3rd string QB?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think Hall looked pretty good for a 1st NFL start. I don't think he'll be fantasy relevant this year, but I think if he improves on what I saw yesterday he can start for them and keep the job. He looked pretty fearless throwing the ball and clearly wants to use Fitz. I liked what I saw. Dynasty he is a good keeper I think.

I thought so as well.. If he can keep that up, he could have things figured out by seasons end..

 

[DiStefano]

Max Hall didn't do badly in his first start. Hit his targets well, was mobile in the pocket, and got rid of the ball quickly.

Having said that, the learning curve is very steep for rookie qb's. He'll have some stumbles in the future. Looks like NFL material, though.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Hall looked OK although I'd be a bit concerned that his yards-per-attempt were way down from what he was doing in preseason. You're not going to win too many games when you only average 6.2 yards per attempt. Those are Joey Harrington-esque numbers.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Hall looked OK although I'd be a bit concerned that his yards-per-attempt were way down from what he was doing in preseason. You're not going to win too many games when you only average 6.2 yards per attempt. Those are Joey Harrington-esque numbers.

The guys first ever NFL game... Rookie... Didn't know he'd be starting until last week...Seemed to do better than Anderson as far as keeping his composer and doing what it takes to win...

 

[benm3218]

Yeah as far as YPA... I don't think on a first start game you can ding a guy a for playing pretty well and showing composure. I mean if he is displaying Harrington like numbers next year then sure thats a problem. But, personally for me, all I took away was the following:

1. smart guy using Fitz and trusting him to make a play. He could have played it safe and avoided at least 3 throws, but he trusted Fitz and it paid off.

2. He didn't do anything horrible or lose confidence after his INT

3. He should keep the job based on that performance.

4. We already knew his coach loved him, yesterday he didn't do anything to make his coach regret playing him.

 

[DiStefano]

Hall looked OK although I'd be a bit concerned that his yards-per-attempt were way down from what he was doing in preseason. You're not going to win too many games when you only average 6.2 yards per attempt. Those are Joey Harrington-esque numbers.

The guys first ever NFL game... Rookie... Didn't know he'd be starting until last week...Seemed to do better than Anderson as far as keeping his composer and doing what it takes to win...

Maybe his composer wrote the music for "Rudy".

 

[DansRams]

I thought Hall looked decent for a 1st start rookie. The bye week will really help as he will get an opportunity to learn from film of his first game as well as get a lot of practice reps. When he get's Breaston and Doucet back to go along with Fitz it will be interesting.

 

[4 - Digit Shark]

What are the chances Hall holds the job through at least Week 10, barring injury?

I know Anderson was a flop, but can Hall play bad enough for ARIZ to bring Anderson back in? Any ARIZ FBG's have an opinion?

Need a bye week fill-in, in a start 2 QB league, and don't know if it is worth getting rid of one of my starters back-ups for Hall.

 

[TommyGilmore]

What are the chances Hall holds the job through at least Week 10, barring injury?I know Anderson was a flop, but can Hall play bad enough for ARIZ to bring Anderson back in? Any ARIZ FBG's have an opinion?Need a bye week fill-in, in a start 2 QB league, and don't know if it is worth getting rid of one of my starters back-ups for Hall.

There's no way Hall gets benched this week. But if he has a couple bad games and the Cardinals lose, I wouldn't be surprised if Whisenhunt gives Anderson another shot. That's the nature of rookie quarterbacks and bad teams.

 

[benm3218]

What are the chances Hall holds the job through at least Week 10, barring injury?I know Anderson was a flop, but can Hall play bad enough for ARIZ to bring Anderson back in? Any ARIZ FBG's have an opinion?Need a bye week fill-in, in a start 2 QB league, and don't know if it is worth getting rid of one of my starters back-ups for Hall.

I have Brees and Rivers in a start 2 league and Hall is going to be my fill in I hope for week 10. (Fitzpatrick the other)Anything is possible, if Hall fell apart bad enough they would try Skelton or Anderson but based on yesterday he looked good enough to hang on I think. (i hope)

 

[Sinn Fein]

Hall looked OK although I'd be a bit concerned that his yards-per-attempt were way down from what he was doing in preseason. You're not going to win too many games when you only average 6.2 yards per attempt. Those are Joey Harrington-esque numbers.

I think he will be OK long-term. I think Arizona will get back to basics on the offense, and will have a bigger commitment to the running game, and a more controlled passing game.They have a two weeks to get ready for the next game, and that should give them time to make some changes, and get a game plan in place. He is a rookie. He will make rookie mistakes. I think Arizona will try to reduce the pressure on Hall, and keep him out of as many tough spots as possible.Everything I read about yesterday's game, from both sides of the ball, seems to suggest that the team likes what he brings to the table - so I don't see a change any time soon.

 

[texasbirdfan]

Hall looked OK although I'd be a bit concerned that his yards-per-attempt were way down from what he was doing in preseason. You're not going to win too many games when you only average 6.2 yards per attempt. Those are Joey Harrington-esque numbers.

I think he will be OK long-term. I think Arizona will get back to basics on the offense, and will have a bigger commitment to the running game, and a more controlled passing game.

They have a two weeks to get ready for the next game, and that should give them time to make some changes, and get a game plan in place.

He is a rookie. He will make rookie mistakes. I think Arizona will try to reduce the pressure on Hall, and keep him out of as many tough spots as possible.Everything I read about yesterday's game, from both sides of the ball, seems to suggest that the team likes what he brings to the table - so I don't see a change any time soon.

only saw a little of the game but the hit he took and then his teamates and trainers dragged him to his feet limp body and all looked like a punch drunk aged prize fighter made me pause over the new rules of keeping players safety in mind by keeping them out of action.....

 

[SSOG]

First off, what were Leinart's preseason stats? What were Hall's? I couldn't find them anywhere, so I went into the game logs and manually tallied them myself. Matt Leinart was 19/23 for 161 with 1 TD and 0 INTs (and 1 carry for 0 yards).

I would suggest that you go back and tally them again, then try your comeback again.

Vs. HoustonMatt Leinart - 6/7 for 49 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 1 carry for 0 yards rushing.

Max Hall - DNP

Vs. Tennessee

Matt Leinart - 4/6 for 28 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 0 carries.

Max Hall - 7/15 for 101 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. 0 carries.

Vs. Chicago

Matt Leinart - 9/10 for 84 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs. 0 carries.

Max Hall - 2/3 for 58 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 3 carries for -5 yards (all kneel-downs).

Vs. Washington

Matt Leinart - 3/5 for 14 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 1 carry for 4 yards.

Max Hall - 7/9 for 126 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 2 carries for 19 yards and 1 score.

Totals:

Leinart = 6+4+9+3 = 22 completions. 7+6+10+5 = 28 attempts. 49+28+84+14 = 175 yards. 1 TD. 0 INTs. 2 carries for 4 yards.

Hall = 7+2+7 = 16 completions. 15+3+9 = 27 attempts. 101+58+126 = 285 yards. 1 TD. 1 INT. 2 carries for 19 yards and 1 score.

You were right that my numbers were slightly off- I forgot to add in Matt Leinart's 3/5 for 14 yard "performance" against Washington. Clearly that was a major oversight on my part, because such a dominant performance would have radically impacted my analysis . Actually, leaving out the Washington performance was doing a huge favor for Matt Leinart. Adding that game drops his preseason ypa from 7 YPA to 6.25 YPA, which makes Max Hall's numbers just look that much better by comparison.

16/27 for 285 with 1/1 and 2/19/1 rushing is better than 22/28 for 175 with 1/0 and 2/4/0 rushing. Sorry, it just is. If you've seen Matt Leinart's preseason stats from somewhere else and those stats are different than the ones I just posted, then it's YOU who needs to check YOUR stats, because I just posted the gamelogs from NFL.com and they support my stats. At the end of the day, your claim that Leinart's preseason stats were "undeniably" the best is nothing more than hot air.

Hall looked OK although I'd be a bit concerned that his yards-per-attempt were way down from what he was doing in preseason. You're not going to win too many games when you only average 6.2 yards per attempt. Those are Joey Harrington-esque numbers.

In Eli Manning's first 5 seasons, he averaged 5.3, 6.8, 6.2, 6.3, and 6.8 ypa. That was his first five SEASONS. 6.2 is perfectly fine for the guy's first GAME.

 

[RushHour]

At least this season, he will be more valuable for the Cards on the field than he will be on anyone's fantasy roster. I can see him having some nice games, but I doubt the numbers will be there to really help fantasy teams.

 

[hostile]

At least this season, he will be more valuable for the Cards on the field than he will be on anyone's fantasy roster. I can see him having some nice games, but I doubt the numbers will be there to really help fantasy teams.

In start 2QB or seriously deep offense-only dynasty leagues, I'd much rather have him as my QB3 than a lot of other guys...

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

First off, what were Leinart's preseason stats? What were Hall's? I couldn't find them anywhere, so I went into the game logs and manually tallied them myself. Matt Leinart was 19/23 for 161 with 1 TD and 0 INTs (and 1 carry for 0 yards).

I would suggest that you go back and tally them again, then try your comeback again.

Vs. HoustonMatt Leinart - 6/7 for 49 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 1 carry for 0 yards rushing.

Max Hall - DNP

Vs. Tennessee

Matt Leinart - 4/6 for 28 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 0 carries.

Max Hall - 7/15 for 101 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. 0 carries.

Vs. Chicago

Matt Leinart - 9/10 for 84 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs. 0 carries.

Max Hall - 2/3 for 58 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 3 carries for -5 yards (all kneel-downs).

Vs. Washington

Matt Leinart - 3/5 for 14 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 1 carry for 4 yards.

Max Hall - 7/9 for 126 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 2 carries for 19 yards and 1 score.

Totals:

Leinart = 6+4+9+3 = 22 completions. 7+6+10+5 = 28 attempts. 49+28+84+14 = 175 yards. 1 TD. 0 INTs. 2 carries for 4 yards.

Hall = 7+2+7 = 16 completions. 15+3+9 = 27 attempts. 101+58+126 = 285 yards. 1 TD. 1 INT. 2 carries for 19 yards and 1 score.

You were right that my numbers were slightly off- I forgot to add in Matt Leinart's 3/5 for 14 yard "performance" against Washington. Clearly that was a major oversight on my part, because such a dominant performance would have radically impacted my analysis . Actually, leaving out the Washington performance was doing a huge favor for Matt Leinart. Adding that game drops his preseason ypa from 7 YPA to 6.25 YPA, which makes Max Hall's numbers just look that much better by comparison.

16/27 for 285 with 1/1 and 2/19/1 rushing is better than 22/28 for 175 with 1/0 and 2/4/0 rushing. Sorry, it just is. If you've seen Matt Leinart's preseason stats from somewhere else and those stats are different than the ones I just posted, then it's YOU who needs to check YOUR stats, because I just posted the gamelogs from NFL.com and they support my stats. At the end of the day, your claim that Leinart's preseason stats were "undeniably" the best is nothing more than hot air.

Hall looked OK although I'd be a bit concerned that his yards-per-attempt were way down from what he was doing in preseason. You're not going to win too many games when you only average 6.2 yards per attempt. Those are Joey Harrington-esque numbers.

In Eli Manning's first 5 seasons, he averaged 5.3, 6.8, 6.2, 6.3, and 6.8 ypa. That was his first five SEASONS. 6.2 is perfectly fine for the guy's first GAME.

Undeniably

 

[Joe Summer]

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