McFadden falling? (1 Viewer)

[Rodeojones]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

 

[EBF]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

This should tell you everything you need to know about the credibility of Faulk's rankings.I think McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart have just about sewn up the top 3 spots. It sounds like Chris Johnson's time could propel him to the RB4 slot and possibly get him picked in the first round.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.1. McFadden2. Mendenhall3. Mike Hart4. Justin Forsett5. Matt Forte6. Jonathan Stewart7. Chauncey Washington8. Steve Slaton9. Ray Rice10. Felix JonesThis was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

Now here's a guy that knows what He's talking about. Tell Marshall He has no clue. Thanks Rodeojones. I'm sure no one was going to post this here.Hoping I wasn't going to see it.Yes Marshall ask me for my list.

 

[JohnnyU]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.1. McFadden2. Mendenhall3. Mike Hart4. Justin Forsett5. Matt Forte6. Jonathan Stewart7. Chauncey Washington8. Steve Slaton9. Ray Rice10. Felix JonesThis was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.1. McFadden2. Mendenhall3. Mike Hart4. Justin Forsett5. Matt Forte6. Jonathan Stewart7. Chauncey Washington8. Steve Slaton9. Ray Rice10. Felix JonesThis was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

 

[Couch Potato]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

This should tell you everything you need to know about the credibility of Faulk's rankings.I think McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart have just about sewn up the top 3 spots. It sounds like Chris Johnson's time could propel him to the RB4 slot and possibly get him picked in the first round.

Dear Marshall: But Mike Hart's 40 time is... is... wait, I think he's finally crossing the finish line now... wait... wait... uh, wait...

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

This should tell you everything you need to know about the credibility of Faulk's rankings.I think McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart have just about sewn up the top 3 spots. It sounds like Chris Johnson's time could propel him to the RB4 slot and possibly get him picked in the first round.

Dear Marshall: But Mike Hart's 40 time is... is... wait, I think he's finally crossing the finish line now... wait... wait... uh, wait...

I thought 40 time didn't mean anything? Didn't D.Davis run a 4.65?

 

[JohnnyU]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.1. McFadden2. Mendenhall3. Mike Hart4. Justin Forsett5. Matt Forte6. Jonathan Stewart7. Chauncey Washington8. Steve Slaton9. Ray Rice10. Felix JonesThis was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

1. Johnathan Stewart2. Rashard Menenhall3. Darren McFadden4. Felix Jones5. Ray Rice6. Jammal Charles7. Chris Johnson8. Kevin Smith9. Tashard Choice10. Matt Forte

 

[Maroney=Speed]

domanick davis 4.56. A.Boldin ran an 4.72.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.1. McFadden2. Mendenhall3. Mike Hart4. Justin Forsett5. Matt Forte6. Jonathan Stewart7. Chauncey Washington8. Steve Slaton9. Ray Rice10. Felix JonesThis was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

1. Johnathan Stewart2. Rashard Menenhall3. Darren McFadden4. Felix Jones5. Ray Rice6. Jammal Charles7. Chris Johnson8. Kevin Smith9. Tashard Choice10. Matt Forte

You traded up to pick 1.03. Just saying.

 

[JohnnyU]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

...but you know more? I'm not going to roll the eyes at you newby.

 

[JohnnyU]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.1. McFadden2. Mendenhall3. Mike Hart4. Justin Forsett5. Matt Forte6. Jonathan Stewart7. Chauncey Washington8. Steve Slaton9. Ray Rice10. Felix JonesThis was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

1. Johnathan Stewart2. Rashard Menenhall3. Darren McFadden4. Felix Jones5. Ray Rice6. Jammal Charles7. Chris Johnson8. Kevin Smith9. Tashard Choice10. Matt Forte

You traded up to pick 1.03. Just saying.

I'm hoping one of Stewart or Mendenhall is at 1.03. For God's sake people quit finishing all your posts with "just sayin", or "just saying".

 

[nerangers]

I thought these were the official times?

Here are the top 10 running back 40 times:

Chris Johnson, East Carolina -- 4.24

Darren McFadden, Arkansas -- 4.33

Anthony Aldridge, Houston -- 4.36

Jamaal Charles, Texas -- 4.38

Chad Simpson, Morgan St. -- 4.42

Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois -- 4.45

Matthew Forte, Tulane -- 4.46

Felix Jones, Arkansas -- 4.47

Jalen Parmele, Toldeo -- 4.47

Jonathan Stewart, Oregon -- 4.48

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

...but you know more? I'm not going to roll the eyes at you newby.

Yep, I wish you were in my League.But I only play against guys that know there stuff.

Will see, my list is at there as well. Time will tell.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.1. McFadden2. Mendenhall3. Mike Hart4. Justin Forsett5. Matt Forte6. Jonathan Stewart7. Chauncey Washington8. Steve Slaton9. Ray Rice10. Felix JonesThis was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

1. Johnathan Stewart2. Rashard Menenhall3. Darren McFadden4. Felix Jones5. Ray Rice6. Jammal Charles7. Chris Johnson8. Kevin Smith9. Tashard Choice10. Matt Forte

You traded up to pick 1.03. Just saying.

I'm hoping one of Stewart or Mendenhall is at 1.03. For God's sake people quit finishing all your posts with "just sayin", or "just saying".

It's All Day.Just saying.

 

[Couch Potato]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

This should tell you everything you need to know about the credibility of Faulk's rankings.I think McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart have just about sewn up the top 3 spots. It sounds like Chris Johnson's time could propel him to the RB4 slot and possibly get him picked in the first round.

Dear Marshall: But Mike Hart's 40 time is... is... wait, I think he's finally crossing the finish line now... wait... wait... uh, wait...

I thought 40 time didn't mean anything? Didn't D.Davis run a 4.65?

I'm the first guy to say all these drills are very secondary to on field performance and evaluating game film. But when Hart runs 4.67 and 4.69, that's pretty bad. If you want to find one outlier like Dom Davis, fine (I don't know if that time is accurate or not, or what the circumstances were at the time), but I don't think it can be reasonably argued that Hart's times don't raise red flags. He just doesn't have NFL starter speed.

 

[JohnnyU]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

...but you know more? I'm not going to roll the eyes at you newby.

Yep, I wish you were in my League.But I only play against guys that know there stuff.Will see, my list is at there as well. Time will tell.

You want to compare $$$ titles?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

This should tell you everything you need to know about the credibility of Faulk's rankings.I think McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart have just about sewn up the top 3 spots. It sounds like Chris Johnson's time could propel him to the RB4 slot and possibly get him picked in the first round.

Dear Marshall: But Mike Hart's 40 time is... is... wait, I think he's finally crossing the finish line now... wait... wait... uh, wait...

I thought 40 time didn't mean anything? Didn't D.Davis run a 4.65?

I'm the first guy to say all these drills are very secondary to on field performance and evaluating game film. But when Hart runs 4.67 and 4.69, that's pretty bad. If you want to find one outlier like Dom Davis, fine (I don't know if that time is accurate or not, or what the circumstances were at the time), but I don't think it can be reasonably argued that Hart's times don't raise red flags. He just doesn't have NFL starter speed.

Back to speed, its not it is. What are you saying.If a guy posts a good time, than it means nothing.

But if a guy posts a bad time, its a red flag?

Have your cake and eat it I guess.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

...but you know more? I'm not going to roll the eyes at you newby.

Yep, I wish you were in my League.But I only play against guys that know there stuff.Will see, my list is at there as well. Time will tell.

You want to compare $$$ titles?

Go ahead go for it.I have won over 23,500 in money Legaue. You?

 

[EBF]

Maroney = Schtick

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Has anyone seen JohnnyU?

 

[Couch Potato]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

This should tell you everything you need to know about the credibility of Faulk's rankings.I think McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart have just about sewn up the top 3 spots. It sounds like Chris Johnson's time could propel him to the RB4 slot and possibly get him picked in the first round.

Dear Marshall: But Mike Hart's 40 time is... is... wait, I think he's finally crossing the finish line now... wait... wait... uh, wait...

I thought 40 time didn't mean anything? Didn't D.Davis run a 4.65?

I'm the first guy to say all these drills are very secondary to on field performance and evaluating game film. But when Hart runs 4.67 and 4.69, that's pretty bad. If you want to find one outlier like Dom Davis, fine (I don't know if that time is accurate or not, or what the circumstances were at the time), but I don't think it can be reasonably argued that Hart's times don't raise red flags. He just doesn't have NFL starter speed.

Back to speed, its not it is. What are you saying.If a guy posts a good time, than it means nothing.

But if a guy posts a bad time, its a red flag?

Have your cake and eat it I guess.

It's a factor to be considered along with other factors, that's all. A guy can be a great track man and still not be a football player. But if a guy is a turtle, he's a turtle. All the vision in the world doesn't help if you don't have the speed to get around the corner or can't burst through a hole.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Maroney = Schtick

Why so?I like McFadden.You like Stewart.I think Stewart will fall in the draft, you disagree.Did I miss anything?

 

[EBF]

Maroney = Schtick

Why so?I like McFadden.You like Stewart.I think Stewart will fall in the draft, you disagree.Did I miss anything?

I've wasted enough time on message boards to know when someone is trolling. It seems like you're trolling.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

This should tell you everything you need to know about the credibility of Faulk's rankings.I think McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart have just about sewn up the top 3 spots. It sounds like Chris Johnson's time could propel him to the RB4 slot and possibly get him picked in the first round.

Dear Marshall: But Mike Hart's 40 time is... is... wait, I think he's finally crossing the finish line now... wait... wait... uh, wait...

I thought 40 time didn't mean anything? Didn't D.Davis run a 4.65?

I'm the first guy to say all these drills are very secondary to on field performance and evaluating game film. But when Hart runs 4.67 and 4.69, that's pretty bad. If you want to find one outlier like Dom Davis, fine (I don't know if that time is accurate or not, or what the circumstances were at the time), but I don't think it can be reasonably argued that Hart's times don't raise red flags. He just doesn't have NFL starter speed.

Back to speed, its not it is. What are you saying.If a guy posts a good time, than it means nothing.

But if a guy posts a bad time, its a red flag?

Have your cake and eat it I guess.

It's a factor to be considered along with other factors, that's all. A guy can be a great track man and still not be a football player. But if a guy is a turtle, he's a turtle. All the vision in the world doesn't help if you don't have the speed to get around the corner or can't burst through a hole.

Fair, by the way. I do agree with you.Just giving you a hard time.

Theres tons of factors that make a back good or bad.

 

[JohnnyU]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

...but you know more? I'm not going to roll the eyes at you newby.

Yep, I wish you were in my League.But I only play against guys that know there stuff.Will see, my list is at there as well. Time will tell.

You want to compare $$$ titles?

Go ahead go for it.I have won over 23,500 in money Legaue. You?

Prove it. How many titles have you won in the last 5 years playing against the best? I'm sure you do well in yahoo leagues. List the $$$ leagues you're in and where you finished. I listed some of mine in my sig, and that's just the last 2 years.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Maroney = Schtick

Why so?I like McFadden.You like Stewart.I think Stewart will fall in the draft, you disagree.Did I miss anything?

I've wasted enough time on message boards to know when someone is trolling. It seems like you're trolling.

Look and you will find, what I think about you.I think you are one of the better posters.Until NFL Draft.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

...but you know more? I'm not going to roll the eyes at you newby.

Yep, I wish you were in my League.But I only play against guys that know there stuff.Will see, my list is at there as well. Time will tell.

You want to compare $$$ titles?

Go ahead go for it.I have won over 23,500 in money Legaue. You?

Prove it. How many titles have you won in the last 5 years playing against the best? I'm sure you do well in yahoo leagues.

I was talking Yahoo Leagues.

 

[Couch Potato]

Maybe you two should take the "my #### is bigger than yours" discussion to PMs. We don't care.

 

[Chaos Commish]

EBF and Construx -- I have been working very hard for 1.01 in Z30. It's why I haven't made any other deals, and why I have been avoiding the discussion. All the doubters have possibly been helping my cause, but it was probably a lost cause to begin with. Bloom can confirm that I am of the opinion, and have been for some time, that McFadden is the top player in this draft at any position.

We'll see. I think he's a talented player who will make an impact at the next level. He's certainly not a perfect prospect though. I think the real risk with him is that he ends up being more of a change of pace guy than a true workhorse, which would hurt his FF value.

Yeah, situation will be key in a couple months. It's been an interesting discussion, and while I disagree with much of what concerns the doubters, I can understand the doubts. I highly recommend the game against the national champs, LSU, in Baton Rouge, Tiger Stadium, a great defense noted for being loaded with NFL talent. DMac grinded out 206 incredibly tough yards on 32 carries and got stronger as the game went on, with some great playmaking in overtime. Les Miles confessed after the game to using not one but two spies to stop McFadden, and one was Highsmith (who DMac ran over twice, busted through twice and made miss three times). The game plan was simply to stop McFadden, and they couldn't do it. They made it hard, but he was up to it. Miles said. “There were two pretty good LSU tacklers ready to tackle that guy on every play and he didn't go down." His yards after contact, that day, and for his career are very very impressive. LSU believed they had to win to get the national title and they played like it.. McFadden abused them. Incredible vision and decision making. His power in short yardage was nothing short of phenomenal, and I go back to my preseason comp. McFadden = Marcus Allen with blazing speed. He is wonderful in short yardage, finding and taking what's there on any given play. Like Marcus, Dickerson and OJ, he can lose leverage because of his height, but that's a very small part of the story, and all these taller guys' numbers speak for themselves. On a 2nd and 4 before he throws a touchdown pass he makes a five yard run that powers right through 6-5 300 pound Tyson Jackson (a probable1st round selection next year if he can get some sacks) who meets him in the backfield before dragging Highsmith (a likely 2nd rounder this year) three yards with pure leg drive before breaking him off and diving for the first. Next play TD pass McFadden. All guts, heart and talent. He really thumps too -- very decisive and very very reminiscent of Peterson. He played the last half of last season between 215 and 218, and slimmed down (like many at the combine) to 211 for this silly 40 he ran today. His yards after contact figure is way better than most naysayers would believe and way better than anything Reggie Bush did in college and against way better competition than Bush or Peterson faced. I could care less if he ran 4.5 or 4.2 today. I've got most of last season here on DVD and plenty from his first two years packed away somewhere. This kid has IT like no one else in this draft, and I love Stewart and Mendenhall. The character question is worth exploring and certainly gives me pause, but outside the club as a freshmen when he mess up his to, he was sober and just on the wrong side of a jealous man. The piano bar incident sounds more like an overzealous bouncer tossing his drunk cousin a little too aggressively and the cops released Darren with no charges reprimanding both him and the bouncer, while hauling off his drunk relative. Darren didn't drink a drop that time either and it was a piano bar. The Cadillac episode turned out to be nothing, just like the paternity siut--- but yeah... there's possibly some smoke here. He gets great reviews from coaches and friends on this topic. He worked hard in school wining a "Hardworking Hog" award for his studies. He majored in Kinesiology, wants to be chiropractor when he's done with football, and made the honor roll twice. I'm not too concerned here. I don't think he "needed" today at all. I think the Mayock effect was driving the conversation here and elsewhere, but ignored in NFL circles. As I said in another thread, his status as RB1 was sealed a long time ago... probably as early as the the Kentucky game last September, when I came in here giving him props and laughing at my idea that he may not be RB1 in this class. Anyway... finally got this off my chest. Stinkin' 40 killed me today.

 

[Chaos Commish]

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[JohnnyU]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

...but you know more? I'm not going to roll the eyes at you newby.

Yep, I wish you were in my League.But I only play against guys that know there stuff.Will see, my list is at there as well. Time will tell.

You want to compare $$$ titles?

Go ahead go for it.I have won over 23,500 in money Legaue. You?

Prove it. How many titles have you won in the last 5 years playing against the best? I'm sure you do well in yahoo leagues.

I was talking Yahoo Leagues.

A lot of newbs come in here after winning several yahoo public leagues and think they've got it figured out, only to find out they are in over their head.

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe you two should take the "my #### is bigger than yours" discussion to PMs. We don't care.

You're right Bruce, but the "I wish you were in my league" gets me every time, especially coming from someone I know couldn't hang in the leagues we play in. I'll play nice now

 

[ThePittbully]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

...but you know more? I'm not going to roll the eyes at you newby.

Yep, I wish you were in my League.But I only play against guys that know there stuff.Will see, my list is at there as well. Time will tell.

You want to compare $$$ titles?

Go ahead go for it.I have won over 23,500 in money Legaue. You?

 

[ImTheScientist]

It appears that based on Marshall Faulks RB rankings....Jonathan Stewart in the one falling.

1. McFadden

2. Mendenhall

3. Mike Hart

4. Justin Forsett

5. Matt Forte

6. Jonathan Stewart

7. Chauncey Washington

8. Steve Slaton

9. Ray Rice

10. Felix Jones

This was scrolling on the ticker at the bottom. Wow....

I believe Marshall is new at this sort of thingy. It shows.

But you know more. He's PLAYED the game, thats what they said about Mayock.

...but you know more? I'm not going to roll the eyes at you newby.

Yep, I wish you were in my League.But I only play against guys that know there stuff.Will see, my list is at there as well. Time will tell.

You want to compare $$$ titles?

Go ahead go for it.I have won over 23,500 in money Legaue. You?

Stop it girls

 

[EBF]

Yeah, situation will be key in a couple months. It's been an interesting discussion, and while I disagree with much of what concerns the doubters, I can understand the doubts. I highly recommend the game against the national champs, LSU, in Baton Rouge, Tiger Stadium, a great defense noted for being loaded with NFL talent. DMac grinded out 206 incredibly tough yards on 32 carries and got stronger as the game went on, with some great playmaking in overtime. Les Miles confessed after the game to using not one but two spies to stop McFadden, and one was Highsmith (who DMac ran over twice, busted through twice and made miss three times). The game plan was simply to stop McFadden, and they couldn't do it. They made it hard, but he was up to it. Miles said. “There were two pretty good LSU tacklers ready to tackle that guy on every play and he didn't go down." His yards after contact, that day, and for his career are very very impressive. LSU believed they had to win to get the national title and they played like it.. McFadden abused them. Incredible vision and decision making. His power in short yardage was nothing short of phenomenal, and I go back to my preseason comp. McFadden = Marcus Allen with blazing speed. He is wonderful in short yardage, finding and taking what's there on any given play. Like Marcus, Dickerson and OJ, he can lose leverage because of his height, but that's a very small part of the story, and all these taller guys' numbers speak for themselves. On a 2nd and 4 before he throws a touchdown pass he makes a five yard run that powers right through 6-5 300 pound Tyson Jackson (a probable1st round selection next year if he can get some sacks) who meets him in the backfield before dragging Highsmith (a likely 2nd rounder this year) three yards with pure leg drive before breaking him off and diving for the first. Next play TD pass McFadden. All guts, heart and talent. He really thumps too -- very decisive and very very reminiscent of Peterson. He played the last half of last season between 215 and 218, and slimmed down (like many at the combine) to 211 for this silly 40 he ran today. His yards after contact figure is way better than most naysayers would believe and way better than anything Reggie Bush did in college and against way better competition than Bush or Peterson faced. I could care less if he ran 4.5 or 4.2 today. I've got most of last season here on DVD and plenty from his first two years packed away somewhere. This kid has IT like no one else in this draft, and I love Stewart and Mendenhall.

I'd venture to guess that I haven't watched as many of his actual games as you. Outside of bowl games, we don't get a lot of Arkansas football out here. But I've tried to catch up on him reading scouting reports and watching highlights. You're already familiar with my arguments about McFadden, so I'll try to make this quick:- For all my skepticism, I've never actually disclosed where he is in my rankings. When all is said and done, he might be the top skill player on my board. I'm still trying to weigh all the variables. I've been spending most of my time identifying sleepers (none of whom I've been talking about on these boards). My top 3 is still in flux. There are reasons to favor each guy and I don't think any one of them is perfect. - The production in the SEC is nice, but high level college players are expected to dominate and most of them do. I saw Slaton make his name by shredding Georgia in that Sugar Bowl a couple years back. I watched Stewart run all over South Florida in his bowl game this year. You look at all of the top backs in this draft (Rice, Charles, Jones, Smith, Forte, Johnson) and they all had those days where they were just unstoppable. So being unstoppable in college really isn't enough. Even an elite college team like LSU can't hold a candle to the average NFL squad, which is like a college All-Star team from the past 5-8 years. - The "wow" factor isn't really there for me with McFadden like it was with Bush and Peterson. Those guys make jaw dropping plays with regularity. Most of McFadden's best runs are just long jaunts down the middle or the outside where he doesn't break any tackles or make anyone miss. He absolutely has elite long speed and acceleration, but what's he going to do in the NFL when those creases shrink? He can't shake like Bush and he doesn't have the leg drive to run through tackles like Peterson (IMO). - Even the great 40 time and the top 10 status don't erase the question marks about his build. He flat out isn't built like the average modern runner. Now maybe that won't be a fatal flaw, but it definitely gives me pause. I like to bank on the guys who fit the mold rather than the guys who have to defy recent history to succeed. I'll say the same thing about McFadden that I said about Brandon Jacobs: If he succeeds, he'll be the first of his kind. Dickerson and Allen were a long time ago. - While certainly not a huge deal, the 33.5" vertical leap is disappointing. Most elite RBs do better than that. To me this mark is circumstantial evidence that his leg strength isn't quite up to snuff (which is something some onlookers have been saying all along). At the same time, it's not a dealbreaker and it isn't any worse than Mendenhall's mark. To be honest, I would have liked to have seen something in the 35" to 40" range from both of those guys. But I'm nitpicking here.

 

[ThePittbully]

Yeah, situation will be key in a couple months. It's been an interesting discussion, and while I disagree with much of what concerns the doubters, I can understand the doubts. I highly recommend the game against the national champs, LSU, in Baton Rouge, Tiger Stadium, a great defense noted for being loaded with NFL talent. DMac grinded out 206 incredibly tough yards on 32 carries and got stronger as the game went on, with some great playmaking in overtime. Les Miles confessed after the game to using not one but two spies to stop McFadden, and one was Highsmith (who DMac ran over twice, busted through twice and made miss three times). The game plan was simply to stop McFadden, and they couldn't do it. They made it hard, but he was up to it. Miles said. “There were two pretty good LSU tacklers ready to tackle that guy on every play and he didn't go down." His yards after contact, that day, and for his career are very very impressive. LSU believed they had to win to get the national title and they played like it.. McFadden abused them. Incredible vision and decision making. His power in short yardage was nothing short of phenomenal, and I go back to my preseason comp. McFadden = Marcus Allen with blazing speed. He is wonderful in short yardage, finding and taking what's there on any given play. Like Marcus, Dickerson and OJ, he can lose leverage because of his height, but that's a very small part of the story, and all these taller guys' numbers speak for themselves. On a 2nd and 4 before he throws a touchdown pass he makes a five yard run that powers right through 6-5 300 pound Tyson Jackson (a probable1st round selection next year if he can get some sacks) who meets him in the backfield before dragging Highsmith (a likely 2nd rounder this year) three yards with pure leg drive before breaking him off and diving for the first. Next play TD pass McFadden. All guts, heart and talent. He really thumps too -- very decisive and very very reminiscent of Peterson. He played the last half of last season between 215 and 218, and slimmed down (like many at the combine) to 211 for this silly 40 he ran today. His yards after contact figure is way better than most naysayers would believe and way better than anything Reggie Bush did in college and against way better competition than Bush or Peterson faced. I could care less if he ran 4.5 or 4.2 today. I've got most of last season here on DVD and plenty from his first two years packed away somewhere. This kid has IT like no one else in this draft, and I love Stewart and Mendenhall.

I'd venture to guess that I haven't watched as many of his actual games as you. Outside of bowl games, we don't get a lot of Arkansas football out here. But I've tried to catch up on him reading scouting reports and watching highlights. You're already familiar with my arguments about McFadden, so I'll try to make this quick:- For all my skepticism, I've never actually disclosed where he is in my rankings. When all is said and done, he might be the top skill player on my board. I'm still trying to weigh all the variables. I've been spending most of my time identifying sleepers (none of whom I've been talking about on these boards). My top 3 is still in flux. There are reasons to favor each guy and I don't think any one of them is perfect. - The production in the SEC is nice, but high level college players are expected to dominate and most of them do. I saw Slaton make his name by shredding Georgia in that Sugar Bowl a couple years back. I watched Stewart run all over South Florida in his bowl game this year. You look at all of the top backs in this draft (Rice, Charles, Jones, Smith, Forte, Johnson) and they all had those days where they were just unstoppable. So being unstoppable in college really isn't enough. Even an elite college team like LSU can't hold a candle to the average NFL squad, which is like a college All-Star team from the past 5-8 years. - The "wow" factor isn't really there for me with McFadden like it was with Bush and Peterson. Those guys make jaw dropping plays with regularity. Most of McFadden's best runs are just long jaunts down the middle or the outside where he doesn't break any tackles or make anyone miss. He absolutely has elite long speed and acceleration, but what's he going to do in the NFL when those creases shrink? He can't shake like Bush and he doesn't have the leg drive to run through tackles like Peterson (IMO). - Even the great 40 time and the top 10 status don't erase the question marks about his build. He flat out isn't built like the average modern runner. Now maybe that won't be a fatal flaw, but it definitely gives me pause. I like to bank on the guys who fit the mold rather than the guys who have to defy recent history to succeed. I'll say the same thing about McFadden that I said about Brandon Jacobs: If he succeeds, he'll be the first of his kind. Dickerson and Allen were a long time ago. - While certainly not a huge deal, the 33.5" vertical leap is disappointing. Most elite RBs do better than that. To me this mark is circumstantial evidence that his leg strength isn't quite up to snuff (which is something some onlookers have been saying all along). At the same time, it's not a dealbreaker and it isn't any worse than Mendenhall's mark. To be honest, I would have liked to have seen something in the 35" to 40" range from both of those guys. But I'm nitpicking here.

 

[Couch Potato]

Maybe you two should take the "my #### is bigger than yours" discussion to PMs. We don't care.

You're right Bruce, but the "I wish you were in my league" gets me every time, especially coming from someone I know couldn't hang in the leagues we play in. I'll play nice now

I wish you were in my league Chuck.Oh yeah, you are.

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe you two should take the "my #### is bigger than yours" discussion to PMs. We don't care.

You're right Bruce, but the "I wish you were in my league" gets me every time, especially coming from someone I know couldn't hang in the leagues we play in. I'll play nice now

I wish you were in my league Chuck.Oh yeah, you are.

yeah, twice Edited to say, make that thrice, now that you've joined HAL3. Looks like I have my choice of draft slots in the new league . Before you say it, I know, "you're going to need all the help you can get", lol. I'm just glad you're not in my conference.

 

[Weiner Dog]

It was a 2-out-of-3 day for McFadden.

Good

4.33 / 40

10'8" broad jump

Bad

33.5" vertical

 

[Gandalf]

It was a 2-out-of-3 day for McFadden.

Good

4.33 / 40

10'8" broad jump

Bad

33.5" vertical

I would put the 4.33 40 in the outstanding category that far outweighs the bad.

 

[JohnnyU]

It was a 2-out-of-3 day for McFadden.

Good

4.33 / 40

10'8" broad jump

Bad

33.5" vertical

I would put the 4.33 40 in the outstanding category that far outweighs the bad.

"far outweighs the bad"? I agree with you in regards to his vertical jump, but I'm sorry, 40 times isn't the main indicator of RB success.

 

[rzrback77]

Almost four pages into it and we finally get the real story. CC provides a thorough reasoning why he feels McFadden is #1 and EBF reiterates his concerns, while at the same time acknowledging that McFadden may in fact end up #1 on his rankings. The final rankings will be more like real estate and come down to location, location and location. I personallky believe that McFadden is the top choice, but the other two are very good and their landing spot in the draft could rearrange their draft spots in my opinion.

I still like the #1 pick far better than the second and the second pick far better than the third.

 

[IM666]

You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Maroney=Speed.

 

[ImTheScientist]

You have chosen to ignore all posts from: Maroney=Speed.

 

[redman]

Almost four pages into it and we finally get the real story. CC provides a thorough reasoning why he feels McFadden is #1 and EBF reiterates his concerns, while at the same time acknowledging that McFadden may in fact end up #1 on his rankings. The final rankings will be more like real estate and come down to location, location and location. I personallky believe that McFadden is the top choice, but the other two are very good and their landing spot in the draft could rearrange their draft spots in my opinion.I still like the #1 pick far better than the second and the second pick far better than the third.

I'd also like to add how comical it appears to me to watch people virtually adopt certain players in the draft as "their players", and then advocate for them as if they have a direct stake in their success. There are no guarantees in the NFL or in fantasy football - none. Adrian Peterson could become the next Ki-Jana Carter with just a couple of injuries. Guys with serious college injuries - Jamal Lewis, McGahee, Gore - have come into the league time and again and surprised with their production. You just never know. I have concerns about all three of the top guys. I'm starting to believe - without knowing which guy ends up on which team - that Stewart and Mendenhall are "safer" RB picks for fantasy purposes, meaning that their builds and skill sets are more likely to be used in ways that fantasy owners will like (workhorse carry #'s and short-yardage work). McFadden probably has the highest upside. He's very explosive, but I share the concerns of those who worry about how portable that will be to the next level. To me, RB foot speed is like a pitcher's fastball - sure, you throw 98 mph and that's well above average even in the major leagues, but if that's all you got then you're going to get lit up by major league hitters. You need more than that, and I'm uncertain as of yet whether McFadden has more. I'm starting to believe that with these three guys we're essentially looking at 1 Reggie Bush and 2 Joseph Addais, a flawed analogy to be sure, but you get the idea - a supremely gifted but light-in-the pants RB versus two thicker, somewhat less explosive RB's who in the right situation can put up consistent and excellent fantasy #'s.

 

[fatness]

I have won over 23,500 in money Legaue. You?

Once you got Boardwalk and Park Place and the railroads, it was all over but the weeping.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Almost four pages into it and we finally get the real story. CC provides a thorough reasoning why he feels McFadden is #1 and EBF reiterates his concerns, while at the same time acknowledging that McFadden may in fact end up #1 on his rankings. The final rankings will be more like real estate and come down to location, location and location. I personallky believe that McFadden is the top choice, but the other two are very good and their landing spot in the draft could rearrange their draft spots in my opinion.

I still like the #1 pick far better than the second and the second pick far better than the third.

 

[JAA]

Almost four pages into it and we finally get the real story. CC provides a thorough reasoning why he feels McFadden is #1 and EBF reiterates his concerns, while at the same time acknowledging that McFadden may in fact end up #1 on his rankings. The final rankings will be more like real estate and come down to location, location and location. I personallky believe that McFadden is the top choice, but the other two are very good and their landing spot in the draft could rearrange their draft spots in my opinion.I still like the #1 pick far better than the second and the second pick far better than the third.

I'd also like to add how comical it appears to me to watch people virtually adopt certain players in the draft as "their players", and then advocate for them as if they have a direct stake in their success. There are no guarantees in the NFL or in fantasy football - none. Adrian Peterson could become the next Ki-Jana Carter with just a couple of injuries. Guys with serious college injuries - Jamal Lewis, McGahee, Gore - have come into the league time and again and surprised with their production. You just never know. I have concerns about all three of the top guys. I'm starting to believe - without knowing which guy ends up on which team - that Stewart and Mendenhall are "safer" RB picks for fantasy purposes, meaning that their builds and skill sets are more likely to be used in ways that fantasy owners will like (workhorse carry #'s and short-yardage work). McFadden probably has the highest upside. He's very explosive, but I share the concerns of those who worry about how portable that will be to the next level. To me, RB foot speed is like a pitcher's fastball - sure, you throw 98 mph and that's well above average even in the major leagues, but if that's all you got then you're going to get lit up by major league hitters. You need more than that, and I'm uncertain as of yet whether McFadden has more. I'm starting to believe that with these three guys we're essentially looking at 1 Reggie Bush and 2 Joseph Addais, a flawed analogy to be sure, but you get the idea - a supremely gifted but light-in-the pants RB versus two thicker, somewhat less explosive RB's who in the right situation can put up consistent and excellent fantasy #'s.

Everything is a gamble. There are folks who put more stock in college protfolio, there are others who value the combine and physical measurables more.That said, I cant really remember the last consensus FF 1.01 bust. Anyone else?

 

[redman]

Almost four pages into it and we finally get the real story. CC provides a thorough reasoning why he feels McFadden is #1 and EBF reiterates his concerns, while at the same time acknowledging that McFadden may in fact end up #1 on his rankings. The final rankings will be more like real estate and come down to location, location and location. I personallky believe that McFadden is the top choice, but the other two are very good and their landing spot in the draft could rearrange their draft spots in my opinion.I still like the #1 pick far better than the second and the second pick far better than the third.

I'd also like to add how comical it appears to me to watch people virtually adopt certain players in the draft as "their players", and then advocate for them as if they have a direct stake in their success. There are no guarantees in the NFL or in fantasy football - none. Adrian Peterson could become the next Ki-Jana Carter with just a couple of injuries. Guys with serious college injuries - Jamal Lewis, McGahee, Gore - have come into the league time and again and surprised with their production. You just never know. I have concerns about all three of the top guys. I'm starting to believe - without knowing which guy ends up on which team - that Stewart and Mendenhall are "safer" RB picks for fantasy purposes, meaning that their builds and skill sets are more likely to be used in ways that fantasy owners will like (workhorse carry #'s and short-yardage work). McFadden probably has the highest upside. He's very explosive, but I share the concerns of those who worry about how portable that will be to the next level. To me, RB foot speed is like a pitcher's fastball - sure, you throw 98 mph and that's well above average even in the major leagues, but if that's all you got then you're going to get lit up by major league hitters. You need more than that, and I'm uncertain as of yet whether McFadden has more. I'm starting to believe that with these three guys we're essentially looking at 1 Reggie Bush and 2 Joseph Addais, a flawed analogy to be sure, but you get the idea - a supremely gifted but light-in-the pants RB versus two thicker, somewhat less explosive RB's who in the right situation can put up consistent and excellent fantasy #'s.

Everything is a gamble. There are folks who put more stock in college protfolio, there are others who value the combine and physical measurables more.That said, I cant really remember the last consensus FF 1.01 bust. Anyone else?

William Green was the 1.01 for a lot of people in 2002. I can't recall if he was the consensus 1.01, but Kevin Jones was drafted there by a number of people in 2004. Some people are applying that label (I think wrongly, at least so far) to Reggie Bush. I don't find anything magical about "consensus" though. I like to do my own thinking and analysis.