McFadden in "Rowdy Scene" at Bar (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

Sorry Clayton...

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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Heisman Trophy runner-up Darren McFadden was handcuffed by police and then released without charges after being involved in a "pretty rowdy scene" at a piano bar early Thursday.

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Arkansas' All-American running back and at least four others were at the downtown bar when a disturbance broke out shortly after midnight, police Lt. Terry Hastings said. A bouncer was hit in the face as he was trying to get the group to leave, Hastings said. A police report did not specify who hit the bouncer.

"There was a whole bunch of people there," Hastings said. "They were inside and it spilled out into the street."

Outside, McFadden was handcuffed by a police officer "because he was agitated and was provoking aggressive behavior inciting the incident," according to the police report.

"We handcuffed him for a few minutes because he was rowdy," Hastings said.

McFadden, who was the only person handcuffed, was released after he calmed down. Hastings said it was routine procedure to handcuff a person to gain control of a situation.

McFadden's mother, Mini Muhammad, said her son was trying to protect his younger brother, Daryl.

"He wasn't the one that was fighting. It was his little brother — someone had jumped on him," Muhammad said. "He was agitated because his brother had a bloody nose."

"Darren was not fighting — please make that be known," she added.

Hastings said bar employee Brant Hankins was advised that he could pursue charges against the person who hit him. The police report classified the incident as misdemeanor battery.

In the summer of 2006 in a fight outside another Little Rock club, McFadden severely injured his toe, but recovered in time to play in the Razorbacks' season opener.

McFadden, who also finished second in the 2006 Heisman voting, holds Arkansas' career and single-season rushing records. The junior has yet to decide whether he will forgo his senior year and enter the NFL draft.

McFadden was to be honored at the Little Rock Touchdown Club's annual banquet Thursday night.

Character questions are probably growing about McFadden, as this is not his first rodeo. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he has to exercise better judgment, because more and more people are going to be trying to provoke him... Ill be putting feelers out while we're on the draft beat to see what the conventional wisdom is about McFadden as a character risk. Stay tuned.

 

[428143]

Definite concern, but this is the NFL, violent tendancies come with the territory, and I'd have to think most GM's, although they wouldn't say it in public, want these crazy players.

 

[jasonbay]

I don't this as a problem, older brother protecting a younger brother that was jumped. Anyone would do that same.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

When you're a potential top 5 pick in the draft why are you anywhere NEAR where a situation like this can occur?

 

[Cecil Lammey]

McFadden is a good kid with GREAT character. He is very disciplined and well spoken. This just appears to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's going to have to learn that as a top draft pick there will be people just TRYING to push his buttons.

And any one of us would stick up for their younger brother, regardless of the situation.

 

[LHUCKS]

Not a problem, wont hurt his draft stock.

 

[mad sweeney]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

McFadden is a good kid with GREAT character. He is very disciplined and well spoken. This just appears to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's going to have to learn that as a top draft pick there will be people just TRYING to push his buttons.And any one of us would stick up for their younger brother, regardless of the situation.

I agree that McFadden's core character is definitely more than good enough to allay overall concerns, but as you said, Cec, people are going to try to push his buttons, and if his instincts are to escalate instead of simmer down (have to assume thats why the cops handcuffed him - to restraint him from making the situation worse - the quote was that he was handcuffed because:

he was agitated and was provoking aggressive behavior inciting the incident

Hopefully seeing his name in the headlines today will get across that at least for now, he has to walk away instead of escalating, because I'm afraid he's going to get more opportunities to get in scraps over the next few months.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

sounds like a perfect pick for the raiders in the top 5

 

[Cecil Lammey]

McFadden is a good kid with GREAT character. He is very disciplined and well spoken. This just appears to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's going to have to learn that as a top draft pick there will be people just TRYING to push his buttons.And any one of us would stick up for their younger brother, regardless of the situation.

I agree that McFadden's core character is definitely more than good enough to allay overall concerns, but as you said, Cec, people are going to try to push his buttons, and if his instincts are to escalate instead of simmer down (have to assume thats why the cops handcuffed him - to restraint him from making the situation worse - the quote was that he was handcuffed because:

he was agitated and was provoking aggressive behavior inciting the incident

Hopefully seeing his name in the headlines today will get across that at least for now, he has to walk away instead of escalating, because I'm afraid he's going to get more opportunities to get in scraps over the next few months.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree.

If the cops are to be believed, he was "provoking aggressive behavior inciting the incident" - not quite starting, since it sounds like someone jumped his little bro first, but still not the judgment you want an elite draft prospect to exercise right now.Also, this is newsworthy not because of this incident, but mainly because he already hurt his toe in a barfight last summer, and it endangered his status for the season opener vs. USC. So, its not like he hasnt had a chance to learn this lesson already. If it was his first publicized run-in, Id agree, move along, nothing to see here.Bottom line: If I was a GM thinking about spending a first on McFadden, I would go to lengths to make sure he understands that he has to change the way he reacts in these situations before I spent that pick on him. If he said he would go to mat again without hesitation, it would definitely cause some hesitation on my part to completely endorse giving the kids 10s of millions without even having played a down.

 

[Phurfur]

McFadden is a good kid with GREAT character. He is very disciplined and well spoken. This just appears to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's going to have to learn that as a top draft pick there will be people just TRYING to push his buttons.And any one of us would stick up for their younger brother, regardless of the situation.

I agree that McFadden's core character is definitely more than good enough to allay overall concerns, but as you said, Cec, people are going to try to push his buttons, and if his instincts are to escalate instead of simmer down (have to assume thats why the cops handcuffed him - to restraint him from making the situation worse - the quote was that he was handcuffed because:

he was agitated and was provoking aggressive behavior inciting the incident

Hopefully seeing his name in the headlines today will get across that at least for now, he has to walk away instead of escalating, because I'm afraid he's going to get more opportunities to get in scraps over the next few months.

Correct, people that can't walk away get in trouble. This is strike two.

 

[massraider]

sounds like a perfect pick for the raiders in the top 5

Hanging out at a piano bar?49ers, I would say. While I certainly don't think this is the end of the world, character is more and more of a concern these days. It's easy for fans to dismiss this incident, but their jobs aren't on the line, if this kid goes all Pac Man at some strip club in Atlanta next winter.

 

[yellowdog]

Sorry Clayton...

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Heisman Trophy runner-up Darren McFadden was handcuffed by police and then released without charges after being involved in a "pretty rowdy scene" at a piano bar early Thursday.

The bolded part has me concerned.

 

[3nOut]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

 

[Trey]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

That is terrible! College kids under 21 in a bar! What is this country coming to!

 

[Clayton Gray]

McFadden is a good kid with GREAT character. He is very disciplined and well spoken. This just appears to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's going to have to learn that as a top draft pick there will be people just TRYING to push his buttons.And any one of us would stick up for their younger brother, regardless of the situation.

Yeah but....twice could be considered a trend.McFadden supposedly "learned his lesson" in 2006 when his season was in jeopardy from fight that injured his toe. It's beginning to look like he needs to find a different crowd to run with.

 

[rzrback77]

If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree.

If the cops are to be believed, he was "provoking aggressive behavior inciting the incident" - not quite starting, since it sounds like someone jumped his little bro first, but still not the judgment you want an elite draft prospect to exercise right now.Also, this is newsworthy not because of this incident, but mainly because he already hurt his toe in a barfight last summer, and it endangered his status for the season opener vs. USC. So, its not like he hasnt had a chance to learn this lesson already. If it was his first publicized run-in, Id agree, move along, nothing to see here.

Bottom line: If I was a GM thinking about spending a first on McFadden, I would go to lengths to make sure he understands that he has to change the way he reacts in these situations before I spent that pick on him. If he said he would go to mat again without hesitation, it would definitely cause some hesitation on my part to completely endorse giving the kids 10s of millions without even having played a down.

The previous incident was the summer before last, about 18 months ago. Not that it matters that much.

 

[Koya]

When you're a potential top 5 pick in the draft why are you anywhere NEAR where a situation like this can occur?

It did mention "Piano Bar" - not the usual place for a fight to break out?

 

[Warpig]

Oh great! Another Edgerrin James.

If the story is accurate. I can't say I blame him. If I was out with friends or family and one of them was jumped I'd be pretty hyped up too. As a matter of fact it's happened recently.

 

[menobrown]

McFadden is a good kid with GREAT character. He is very disciplined and well spoken. This just appears to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's going to have to learn that as a top draft pick there will be people just TRYING to push his buttons.And any one of us would stick up for their younger brother, regardless of the situation.

Yeah but....twice could be considered a trend.McFadden supposedly "learned his lesson" in 2006 when his season was in jeopardy from fight that injured his toe. It's beginning to look like he needs to find a different crowd to run with.

The previous incident happened at a very seedy night club that friends of mine from LR would never dream set foot. Little Rock is a crime infested city and this club sat in the middle of the worst part. In that case he was running with a bad crowd which I don't think is the same as a Piano Bar in a re-energized downtown environment.

 

[Clayton Gray]

McFadden is a good kid with GREAT character. He is very disciplined and well spoken. This just appears to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's going to have to learn that as a top draft pick there will be people just TRYING to push his buttons.And any one of us would stick up for their younger brother, regardless of the situation.

Yeah but....twice could be considered a trend.McFadden supposedly "learned his lesson" in 2006 when his season was in jeopardy from fight that injured his toe. It's beginning to look like he needs to find a different crowd to run with.

The previous incident happened at a very seedy night club that friends of mine from LR would never dream set foot. Little Rock is a crime infested city and this club sat in the middle of the worst part. In that case he was running with a bad crowd which I don't think is the same as a Piano Bar in a re-energized downtown environment.

Either he got into trouble twice with the same group of people (which is bad) or he has led two different groups of people into trouble (which is also bad).And I'm fairly familiar with Little Rock.

 

[massraider]

Oh great! Another Edgerrin James. If the story is accurate. I can't say I blame him. If I was out with friends or family and one of them was jumped I'd be pretty hyped up too. As a matter of fact it's happened recently.

Shouldn't have been there in the first place.Two bar fights before the age of 21 is something that the NFL might consider worrisome.

 

[Phurfur]

Oh great! Another Edgerrin James. If the story is accurate. I can't say I blame him. If I was out with friends or family and one of them was jumped I'd be pretty hyped up too. As a matter of fact it's happened recently.

People don't get jumped for no reason. I have been heavy into the bar scene longer than he has been alive and I have1. Never been jumped2. Never been handcuffed3. Never been arrestedBut I have walked away.

 

[Phurfur]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

That is terrible! College kids under 21 in a bar! What is this country coming to!

I don't know about you but if I had a multi million dollar payout coming in a few months I would wlak very carefully.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

When you're a potential top 5 pick in the draft why are you anywhere NEAR where a situation like this can occur?

It did mention "Piano Bar" - not the usual place for a fight to break out?

Dude, I want to fight EVERY time I hear the song Piano Man.Those types can get pretty rough.

 

[Phurfur]

When you're a potential top 5 pick in the draft why are you anywhere NEAR where a situation like this can occur?

It did mention "Piano Bar" - not the usual place for a fight to break out?

Dude, I want to fight EVERY time I hear the song Piano Man.Those types can get pretty rough.

I would guess this piano bar was a "Dueling Piano" type bar which can get very loud, abusive and aggresive.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

That is terrible! College kids under 21 in a bar! What is this country coming to!

Dude is one day older than me and has been in one fewer bar fight. By today's standards, he's doing better than average. The bar scene is a lot different what you geezers were used to. Much much more irresponsibility and belligerence.

 

[Clayton Gray]

When you're a potential top 5 pick in the draft why are you anywhere NEAR where a situation like this can occur?

It did mention "Piano Bar" - not the usual place for a fight to break out?

Dude, I want to fight EVERY time I hear the song Piano Man.Those types can get pretty rough.

I would guess this piano bar was a "Dueling Piano" type bar which can get very loud, abusive and aggresive.

Ernie Biggs

 

[Andy Dufresne]

When you're a potential top 5 pick in the draft why are you anywhere NEAR where a situation like this can occur?

It did mention "Piano Bar" - not the usual place for a fight to break out?

Dude, I want to fight EVERY time I hear the song Piano Man.Those types can get pretty rough.

I would guess this piano bar was a "Dueling Piano" type bar which can get very loud, abusive and aggresive.

Ernie Biggs

And here I thought he was kidding!

 

[gianmarco]

Oh great! Another Edgerrin James. If the story is accurate. I can't say I blame him. If I was out with friends or family and one of them was jumped I'd be pretty hyped up too. As a matter of fact it's happened recently.

People don't get jumped for no reason. I have been heavy into the bar scene longer than he has been alive and I have1. Never been jumped2. Never been handcuffed3. Never been arrestedBut I have walked away.

 

[massraider]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

That is terrible! College kids under 21 in a bar! What is this country coming to!

Dude is one day older than me and has been in one fewer bar fight. By today's standards, he's doing better than average. The bar scene is a lot different what you geezers were used to. Much much more irresponsibility and belligerence.

You know this....how?Listen, I avoid fights if at all possible. And I don't have a million dollar contract on the line.

 

[Clayton Gray]

When you're a potential top 5 pick in the draft why are you anywhere NEAR where a situation like this can occur?

It did mention "Piano Bar" - not the usual place for a fight to break out?

Dude, I want to fight EVERY time I hear the song Piano Man.Those types can get pretty rough.

I would guess this piano bar was a "Dueling Piano" type bar which can get very loud, abusive and aggresive.

Ernie Biggs

And here I thought he was kidding!

Well, they also have $1 Wednesday.

 

[Ed Wood]

I don't this as a problem, older brother protecting a younger brother that was jumped. Anyone would do that same.

Yep and yep. Could have been a lot worse. See: Taylor, Brien

 

[Papa Georgio]

I have been to the exact bar that this fight happened at several times. It is anything but rough. It is the place where most people go to get started but always end up somewhere else to close out the night. Usually everyone is singing along with the songs and is very friendly. I've had more people start random conversations at that place than just about any place I've been. It would be the last place I would expect a brawl as far as bars go. I haven't heard much about Dmac's life style so based on that I would imagine it's not that bad. Still it makes me wonder a little when a fight breaks out in a place like that.

 

[fatness]

Imagine that. A 20-year old who doesn't regard his every action as part of an overall investment opportunity. I'm shocked.

 

[fatness]

The good stuff: Pictures and videos from the bar

(not from the evening in question)

 

[Phurfur]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

That is terrible! College kids under 21 in a bar! What is this country coming to!

Dude is one day older than me and has been in one fewer bar fight. By today's standards, he's doing better than average. The bar scene is a lot different what you geezers were used to. Much much more irresponsibility and belligerence.

You don't know what the bar scene was like years ago. It comes down to this, ignornt people settle disputes with agression and violence. That is because they are not smart enough to handle it any other way. And stupid people have been around forever.

 

[BaBastage]

McFadden's mother, Mini Muhammad, said her son was trying to protect his younger brother, Daryl."He wasn't the one that was fighting. It was his little brother — someone had jumped on him," Muhammad said. "He was agitated because his brother had a bloody nose.""Darren was not fighting — please make that be known," she added.

Maybe when he grows up he won't have his Mommy speak for him. I'd be embarrassed (even at his relatively young age) to have my mom speak on my behalf like that.oh. "Mini Muhammad"? Please tell me his father isn't name Max!

 

[tombonneau]

sounds like a perfect pick for the raiders in the top 5

Hanging out at a piano bar?49ers, I would say. While I certainly don't think this is the end of the world, character is more and more of a concern these days. It's easy for fans to dismiss this incident, but their jobs aren't on the line, if this kid goes all Pac Man at some strip club in Atlanta next winter.

Wasn't there some other incident involving football players that also took place at/outside a piano bar? I can't remember who was involved, but I do remember this specific detail because it was very .Does anyone remember what I'm talking about?

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

That is terrible! College kids under 21 in a bar! What is this country coming to!

Dude is one day older than me and has been in one fewer bar fight. By today's standards, he's doing better than average. The bar scene is a lot different what you geezers were used to. Much much more irresponsibility and belligerence.

You know this....how?Listen, I avoid fights if at all possible. And I don't have a million dollar contract on the line.

Well you're not a 20yo are you? I'd expect at least the majority here have been in a fight or two under the influence.

 

[Clayton Gray]

McFadden's mother, Mini Muhammad, said her son was trying to protect his younger brother, Daryl."He wasn't the one that was fighting. It was his little brother — someone had jumped on him," Muhammad said. "He was agitated because his brother had a bloody nose.""Darren was not fighting — please make that be known," she added.

Maybe when he grows up he won't have his Mommy speak for him. I'd be embarrassed (even at his relatively young age) to have my mom speak on my behalf like that.oh. "Mini Muhammad"? Please tell me his father isn't name Max!

I'm guessing you aren't an expert on southern black culture.

 

[massraider]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

That is terrible! College kids under 21 in a bar! What is this country coming to!

Dude is one day older than me and has been in one fewer bar fight. By today's standards, he's doing better than average. The bar scene is a lot different what you geezers were used to. Much much more irresponsibility and belligerence.

You know this....how?Listen, I avoid fights if at all possible. And I don't have a million dollar contract on the line.

Well you're not a 20yo are you? I'd expect at least the majority here have been in a fight or two under the influence.

No, I'm 35, and have been working in the bar scene in Boston and New York since I was 17 years old. Not sure what you think it was like back in the old days, but I see the same idiots now as then. And I see people who avoid trouble, and people that welcome it.Here's the thing. Sometimes you absolutely can't avoid trouble, and have to throw down. Understood. But when an underage kid is arrested for basically escalating the fight, it doesn't look good. He's not 21 yet, and has two bar fights under his belt. If you think that's a good average, swell, but someone looking to hand him 30 mill might disagree. In fact, I know they will.

My point is that I DON'T have 30 mill riding on anything, have been hanging in bars for 15 years, and Run DMC has 1 more bar fight than I do.

 

[Phurfur]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

That is terrible! College kids under 21 in a bar! What is this country coming to!

Dude is one day older than me and has been in one fewer bar fight. By today's standards, he's doing better than average. The bar scene is a lot different what you geezers were used to. Much much more irresponsibility and belligerence.

You know this....how?Listen, I avoid fights if at all possible. And I don't have a million dollar contract on the line.

Well you're not a 20yo are you? I'd expect at least the majority here have been in a fight or two under the influence.

I think you are wrong but I am talking about a fight where blood is drawn or someone goes down. I for one have never been in a bar fight and when I was in my 20's I was in the bars 4 nights a week. What I did notice is that the same people got in fights over and over. I could also pick out problem people and I avoided them.

 

[SSOG]

Anyone drafting McFadden with their #1 dynasty pick should be sure to draft his handcuffs in the second, just in case.

 

[mad sweeney]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

Piano bars are often restaurants.

 

[Saints-Man]

McFadden is a good kid with GREAT character. He is very disciplined and well spoken. This just appears to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's going to have to learn that as a top draft pick there will be people just TRYING to push his buttons.And any one of us would stick up for their younger brother, regardless of the situation.

I have a few friends of friends that know him and say he is a nice, sweet kid. Wild things happens in bars sometimes.From all the things I have heard about McFadden, if they investigate his backgroud, his stock will go up if anything.

 

[JohnnyU]

definite :redflag:

 

[vacaver1]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.