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He's a regular Tom Brady.

He's a regular Tom Brady.
Not true. Have you read any of the articles on the paternatity tests? Obviously not.He has already taken 1 and it came back negative, though it is not valid in court and he needs to take another. He has already said he wants to know if he is the father more than anyone else. Please dont make broad generalizations about people you dont know ... and obviously dont research.It is when you have multiple kids with multiple women and have no plans on being a part of their lives. It shows a complete lack of feelings for your own children; to me this is morally wrong. Even though this country doesn't get it, being a father is more than sending a check and visiting occasionally. Actions like this are more in tune with our neighbors dog than a moral human being.Kids out of wedlock is a morality issue?Wow. I didn't know morality had sunk so far in our society until now.If a few kids out of wedlock is the biggest problem McFadden has, he's got an advantage over quite a few of his fellow top draft picks. Honestly, this is nothing new nor surprising.![]()
People are making an awful big assumption based on a one line blurb on the Falcons blog. Especially since many posters seem to be unaware he's already taken a paternity test on #3 and it came back negative.1<3and perterson's daughter is very much involved in his everyday lifeAdrian Peterson had a 2 year old daughter when he entered the draft last year. Don't remember anybody getting too up in arms about that.
Washington TimesHonesty is a change from 10 to 12 years ago. Before the message boards and camera phones could track the movements of college players after hours, some would try to hide items from their past.
"Where we are with technology, we're able to get a lot more information about a player, and there's nothing that can be covered up," Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher said. "If there is an example of bad decision making, the player is bringing it up and is saying, 'I did A, B and C, but I've learned from it and have moved on from it.' Ten years ago, you may uncover something the day before the draft and have to do a quick investigation to get the details."
He's a regular Tom Brady.Or Matt Leinart or Karl Malone or Ray Allen, etc...etc...Let's not confused what it takes to be a good football player with what it takes to be a good father; they're not in any way related. When the Cowboys were stirring things up at the White House, it didn't stop them from being the best team on the planet or playing at a Hall of Fame level. Sometimes I forget how in the clouds fans are in confusing athletic prowess with decency and morality.
Spoken like a man who clearly does not have daughters. I understand the overall point you're making (the "in comparison to others")...but IMO this truly does show some serious lack of1. Judgement2. Brains3. Respect for women4. etc. etc. etc.Not qualities I'd want to invest 10's of millions of $$ into.ETA: after reading more responses, I'll somewhat temper my opinion (not that anyone but me cares!), as maybe this is just a bunch of gold digging. There's lots of back-and-forth on this already, and I guess where my "breaking point" is with the lack of respect for women these guys show. And lack of respect for the kids that they do/may father. Just soemthing I do not now, nor ever have, tolerated.If a few kids out of wedlock is the biggest problem McFadden has, he's got an advantage over quite a few of his fellow top draft picks. Honestly, this is nothing new nor surprising.It certainly raises questions about his judgement and character a la Travis Henry.Makes all that "he might not enter the draft" talk seem kind of foolish now, doesn't it?I'm sure thsi wasn't leaked by a team hoping he'll drop to their spot...just like the positive pot tests for Calvin Johnson and Amobe Okoye last year.As long as he takes care of his kids, it isn't my business and won't keep him from being a solid running back in the NFL.
Oxymoron! Any adult who doesn't know how babies are conceived is stupid.How about irresponsible and there are other words I could potentially use to describe this situation but don't know him well enough. It's very possible he's not educated properly in sex education, it would be hard to make an argument to say that he was given his current situation. I highly doubt he's stupid.OK then he is just stupid.Bad judgement for sure, but give the kid a break. I'd bet some of the mothers were looking for a paycheck for the next 18 years. I mean, let's face it the kid has to be a huge target.
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All that being said.......I'd skip on picking him unless he fell out of the top 10. Too much risk.
PAH-LEASE.This is not a question of character in that he is a "bad" person because he going on child three - thats 1.5 per decade and the ratio likely could get worse seeing as, while this doesnt say he is a bad guy, it DOES say that McFadden is pretty f'n stupid and obviously not a responsible adult. Again, he could be a nice guy, good guy whatever - but the fact is as a GM, Im thinking this guy is pretty f'n stupid and if he made this mistake not once, not twice, but THREE times, what other errors in judgement - good guy or not - will he make in the future.Stay away. The guy has huge issues in regard to his maturity and that will only be further exposed as a pro athlete. And while he run's a 4.3 he also has no leg drive when being tackled. It's not as if you are taking a HUGE risk on a CANT MISS RB - he could miss (i.e. be Michael Bennett) even without the huge question as to his judgement, decision making and maturity.Wow...this board is getting conservative. Since when did having kids out of wedlock become a character issue?? The guy didn't use a condom!!! Poor Character = Not paying child support.High Character = Paying your kids child support.Unless people are ready to take the step and say pre-marital sex is sign of poor character, you cannot make this a character issue.No matter who this is ...... it raises questions about character.
Spoken like a man who clearly does not have daughters. I understand the overall point you're making (the "in comparison to others")...but IMO this truly does show some serious lack of1. Judgement2. Brains3. Respect for women4. etc. etc. etc.Not qualities I'd want to invest 10's of millions of $$ into.ETA: after reading more responses, I'll somewhat temper my opinion (not that anyone but me cares!), as maybe this is just a bunch of gold digging. There's lots of back-and-forth on this already, and I guess where my "breaking point" is with the lack of respect for women these guys show. And lack of respect for the kids that they do/may father. Just soemthing I do not now, nor ever have, tolerated.If a few kids out of wedlock is the biggest problem McFadden has, he's got an advantage over quite a few of his fellow top draft picks. Honestly, this is nothing new nor surprising.It certainly raises questions about his judgement and character a la Travis Henry.Makes all that "he might not enter the draft" talk seem kind of foolish now, doesn't it?I'm sure thsi wasn't leaked by a team hoping he'll drop to their spot...just like the positive pot tests for Calvin Johnson and Amobe Okoye last year.As long as he takes care of his kids, it isn't my business and won't keep him from being a solid running back in the NFL.
Is it a huge deal? Maybe not. But having kids by three different women by the age of 20 is NOT a sign of good decision-making no matter how you spin it. The people who put themselves in those sorts of situations tend to make OTHER bad decisions. And while the kids themselves may not impact his career, those other decisions could very well have an impact on it.Also, it's pretty funny to hear folks seem to imply that this is everyday stuff with all college athletes. It happens, no doubt. But there are lots and lots and lots of excellent college athletes who don't manage to put themselves in this situation. ZERO out of wedlock kids = ideal and pretty common (what - 95%?). ONE out of wedlock kid = not great, but mistakes happen and maybe the guy learned from it (maybe 4.5%?) . TWO kids from different mothers (.4%/?) = hmmm, not so bright is he? THREE kids from different mothers (.1%) = WTF is wrong with this guy?
He's a regular Tom Brady.Or Matt Leinart or Karl Malone or Ray Allen, etc...etc...Let's not confused what it takes to be a good football player with what it takes to be a good father; they're not in any way related. When the Cowboys were stirring things up at the White House, it didn't stop them from being the best team on the planet or playing at a Hall of Fame level. Sometimes I forget how in the clouds fans are in confusing athletic prowess with decency and morality.
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PAH-LEASE.This is not a question of character in that he is a "bad" person because he going on child three - thats 1.5 per decade and the ratio likely could get worse seeing as, while this doesnt say he is a bad guy, it DOES say that McFadden is pretty f'n stupid and obviously not a responsible adult. Again, he could be a nice guy, good guy whatever - but the fact is as a GM, Im thinking this guy is pretty f'n stupid and if he made this mistake not once, not twice, but THREE times, what other errors in judgement - good guy or not - will he make in the future.Stay away. The guy has huge issues in regard to his maturity and that will only be further exposed as a pro athlete. And while he run's a 4.3 he also has no leg drive when being tackled. It's not as if you are taking a HUGE risk on a CANT MISS RB - he could miss (i.e. be Michael Bennett) even without the huge question as to his judgement, decision making and maturity.Wow...this board is getting conservative. Since when did having kids out of wedlock become a character issue?? The guy didn't use a condom!!! Poor Character = Not paying child support.High Character = Paying your kids child support.Unless people are ready to take the step and say pre-marital sex is sign of poor character, you cannot make this a character issue.No matter who this is ...... it raises questions about character.
Really? You don't see a difference?Your reaching big-time right now.Wilbur Wood said:What is the over/under date upon which DMC receives "Strike 1" in the NFL Substance Abuse Program?
Not really, this is all part of Risk Management. Some NFL teams model up a "risk profile". Factors such as brushes with the law, multiple out of wedlock children with different moms, driving an Escalade around campus, Wonderlic scores all are factored into a Risk Profile rating.There is a positive correlation between Risk Profile and future NFL suspensions. Most NFL suspensions still come from the Substance Abuse policy. DMC has a Risk Profile that is much riskier than the average draftee.Really? You don't see a difference?Your reaching big-time right now.What is the over/under date upon which DMC receives "Strike 1" in the NFL Substance Abuse Program?
Now I'm not sure how many girls are asking for paternity tests from him, but it sounds like he's being targeted by money grubbers more than he's actually being irresponsible.He’s taken two paternity tests, both requested by the same woman, and the results indicated McFadden is not the father. At least one other woman has suggested he was the father of her baby, but when confronted, she said she had had a miscarriage.
I think anyone who's seen the data on out-of-wedlock births in the black community (rising since the 60's), and corresponding measures of drug use, alcohol use, school drop out rates, divorce, crime, and pretty much every other social pathology during the same time period, would vehemently disagree with you.You may not have religious morals, but the effect of the disintegration of the black household on black society -- kids supported or not -- has been flat out disastrous. If this isn't a moral issue, then nothing is a moral issue.Kids out of wedlock is a morality issue?
so he doesn't have any kids... not that it matters as I don't find this a big deal.Interesting article.
This from the article:
Now I'm not sure how many girls are asking for paternity tests from him, but it sounds like he's being targeted by money grubbers more than he's actually being irresponsible.He’s taken two paternity tests, both requested by the same woman, and the results indicated McFadden is not the father. At least one other woman has suggested he was the father of her baby, but when confronted, she said she had had a miscarriage.
Shhhhhhhhhh, you'll interrupt the bandwagon.Interesting article.
This from the article:
Now I'm not sure how many girls are asking for paternity tests from him, but it sounds like he's being targeted by money grubbers more than he's actually being irresponsible.He’s taken two paternity tests, both requested by the same woman, and the results indicated McFadden is not the father. At least one other woman has suggested he was the father of her baby, but when confronted, she said she had had a miscarriage.
That's what I'm trying to understand. Does he already have kids and this just means there aren't any more currently on the way? Or does he not have any kids at all?so he doesn't have any kids... not that it matters as I don't find this a big deal.Interesting article.
This from the article:
Now I'm not sure how many girls are asking for paternity tests from him, but it sounds like he's being targeted by money grubbers more than he's actually being irresponsible.He’s taken two paternity tests, both requested by the same woman, and the results indicated McFadden is not the father. At least one other woman has suggested he was the father of her baby, but when confronted, she said she had had a miscarriage.
As I understand it, he currently has no kids. He has a pregnant girlfriend, who seems to be along for the NFL ride, due in August. Has a paternity suit from another girl who is apparently mistaken. I agree, no big deal here.That's what I'm trying to understand. Does he already have kids and this just means there aren't any more currently on the way? Or does he not have any kids at all?so he doesn't have any kids... not that it matters as I don't find this a big deal.Interesting article.
This from the article:
Now I'm not sure how many girls are asking for paternity tests from him, but it sounds like he's being targeted by money grubbers more than he's actually being irresponsible.He’s taken two paternity tests, both requested by the same woman, and the results indicated McFadden is not the father. At least one other woman has suggested he was the father of her baby, but when confronted, she said she had had a miscarriage.
Of course he is a target but he has to be smart enough to realize it. If he didn't know it before he must know it now.Thanks for the post Andy.I'm sure all of the FBG's blasting the kid will be quick to admit Mcfadden may have been more of a target than a bad guy afterall. :crickets:
He's no Travis Henry.
According to what I've read, he has two illegitimate kids right now (that he's acknowledging) , and the paternity test for the 3rd kid came back negative. That test COULD mean he was targeted unfairly, but likely means that he got lucky this time (as opposed to the other times). Generally, there is NO incentive for a woman to claim a guy to be the father and demand a paternity test unless she legitimately thought there is a chance the guy could be the father (i.e. they had unprotected sex). If the test comes back negative, the woman looks really bad, so if she KNOWS she is blowing smoke, you just give it up when it comes to the test itself.As I said when this first cropped up, from an NFL GM's (business) perspective, I wouldn't care so much about the kids themselves, but I would care about what they represent - consistently poor choices off the field, which VERY often impacts a guy's ON-field career.As I understand it, he currently has no kids. He has a pregnant girlfriend, who seems to be along for the NFL ride, due in August. Has a paternity suit from another girl who is apparently mistaken. I agree, no big deal here.That's what I'm trying to understand. Does he already have kids and this just means there aren't any more currently on the way? Or does he not have any kids at all?so he doesn't have any kids... not that it matters as I don't find this a big deal.Interesting article.
This from the article:
Now I'm not sure how many girls are asking for paternity tests from him, but it sounds like he's being targeted by money grubbers more than he's actually being irresponsible.He’s taken two paternity tests, both requested by the same woman, and the results indicated McFadden is not the father. At least one other woman has suggested he was the father of her baby, but when confronted, she said she had had a miscarriage.
The recent article from the the NW Arkansas News Source mentions no children. LINKIt mentions child support as a future possiblity, not something he's currently obligated with. It mentions 2 women accusing him of being a father to their baby, neither of which has a baby on the way by McFadden.According to what I've read, he has two illegitimate kids right now (that he's acknowledging) , and the paternity test for the 3rd kid came back negative.
Do you have something more current and accurate than that? All I've seen in other recent news articles is rehashing of what he told the Raiders last month --- he thought he had 2 kids on the way. The way I'm reading the linked article is that some or all of those kids of his are not truly his, or on the way.He’s taken two paternity tests, both requested by the same woman, and the results indicated McFadden is not the father. At least one other woman has suggested he was the father of her baby, but when confronted, she said she had had a miscarriage.
Understand, McFadden is one of 12 kids, and that in the world in which he was raised, it is not uncommon to have very large families.
But any child support he gets hit with is not going to be a few hundred bucks a month.
Are there really any actual facts tied to this story or is it just a bunch of "according to what i read" type stuff. It really shouldn't be that hard to put these facts together yet we have nothing but speculation. Not trying to insult anyone who has contributed what they heard, but come on, shouldn't this be clear by now.edit: thanks fatness for putting together a better response then mine.According to what I've read, he has two illegitimate kids right now (that he's acknowledging) , and the paternity test for the 3rd kid came back negative. That test COULD mean he was targeted unfairly, but likely means that he got lucky this time (as opposed to the other times). Generally, there is NO incentive for a woman to claim a guy to be the father and demand a paternity test unless she legitimately thought there is a chance the guy could be the father (i.e. they had unprotected sex). If the test comes back negative, the woman looks really bad, so if she KNOWS she is blowing smoke, you just give it up when it comes to the test itself.As I said when this first cropped up, from an NFL GM's (business) perspective, I wouldn't care so much about the kids themselves, but I would care about what they represent - consistently poor choices off the field, which VERY often impacts a guy's ON-field career.As I understand it, he currently has no kids. He has a pregnant girlfriend, who seems to be along for the NFL ride, due in August. Has a paternity suit from another girl who is apparently mistaken. I agree, no big deal here.That's what I'm trying to understand. Does he already have kids and this just means there aren't any more currently on the way? Or does he not have any kids at all?so he doesn't have any kids... not that it matters as I don't find this a big deal.Interesting article.
This from the article:
Now I'm not sure how many girls are asking for paternity tests from him, but it sounds like he's being targeted by money grubbers more than he's actually being irresponsible.He’s taken two paternity tests, both requested by the same woman, and the results indicated McFadden is not the father. At least one other woman has suggested he was the father of her baby, but when confronted, she said she had had a miscarriage.
Those two quotes represent the conflicting reports. It could be wrong to assume either is correct. But I'm fairly certain he did not admit to having two kids. That was reported, but it seemed like sloppy reporting to me. Most of the information coming direct from the Combine reported that McFadden admitted to having two in the oven, one he'd disputed as his. He has since won the dispute. There are unsubstantiated reports flying around this time of year. It's usually best to take the negative versions with a grain of salt. Whatever the truth is, it doesn't bother me a bit. Santonio Holmes just hit the NFL with three illegitimate kids and he's pushing for the top 10 dynasty rankings.According to what I've read, he has two illegitimate kids right now (that he's acknowledging) , and the paternity test for the 3rd kid came back negative.As I understand it, he currently has no kids. He has a pregnant girlfriend, who seems to be along for the NFL ride, due in August. Has a paternity suit from another girl who is apparently mistaken. I agree, no big deal here.
The only thing all these illegitimate kids may mean is that you can forget about a hometown discount down the roadThose two quotes represent the conflicting reports. It could be wrong to assume either is correct. But I'm fairly certain he did not admit to having two kids. That was reported, but it seemed like sloppy reporting to me. Most of the information coming direct from the Combine reported that McFadden admitted to having two in the oven, one he'd disputed as his. He has since won the dispute. There are unsubstantiated reports flying around this time of year. It's usually best to take the negative versions with a grain of salt. Whatever the truth is, it doesn't bother me a bit. Santonio Holmes just hit the NFL with three illegitimate kids and he's pushing for the top 10 dynasty rankings.According to what I've read, he has two illegitimate kids right now (that he's acknowledging) , and the paternity test for the 3rd kid came back negative.As I understand it, he currently has no kids. He has a pregnant girlfriend, who seems to be along for the NFL ride, due in August. Has a paternity suit from another girl who is apparently mistaken. I agree, no big deal here.
Just from a personal perspective, when I had ridiculous overhead I was incredibly motivated. When I got rid of it, I became the lazy bum I am today.The only thing all these illegitimate kids may mean is that you can forget about a hometown discount down the roadThose two quotes represent the conflicting reports. It could be wrong to assume either is correct. But I'm fairly certain he did not admit to having two kids. That was reported, but it seemed like sloppy reporting to me. Most of the information coming direct from the Combine reported that McFadden admitted to having two in the oven, one he'd disputed as his. He has since won the dispute. There are unsubstantiated reports flying around this time of year. It's usually best to take the negative versions with a grain of salt. Whatever the truth is, it doesn't bother me a bit. Santonio Holmes just hit the NFL with three illegitimate kids and he's pushing for the top 10 dynasty rankings.According to what I've read, he has two illegitimate kids right now (that he's acknowledging) , and the paternity test for the 3rd kid came back negative.As I understand it, he currently has no kids. He has a pregnant girlfriend, who seems to be along for the NFL ride, due in August. Has a paternity suit from another girl who is apparently mistaken. I agree, no big deal here.. DMC has some overhead.DMC has some questions, but I don't see this scaring a team off.