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McFadden Stars aligning...Chapter 2 (Dallas) (1 Viewer)

Carter_Can_Fly

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Ok I know how many times he has burnt fantasy owners time and time again. He has teased with potential throughout his career. He has been often injured and often under performed. He has had many threads started on him but it is time to start Chapter 2 of his career. The Dallas Cowboys chapter.

When Murray left the Cowboys and Dallas picked up McFadden that at least gave him a pulse. As of right now it looks as though he is RB1 on the depth chart with arguably the best run blocking unit in the league. The thing that really has given this thing more legs after tonight is Dallas passed on RB's in the first 3 rounds.

Is this the year that he arises from dead to make some noise? There is at least a chance of it happening now even if it is a small chance there is one there. I really don't know what to think I have in McFadden at this stage, but things look a lot better now than 4 months ago.

 
I think Randle is a much better RB. Too bad he's so stupid.
Randle is bad. Even Ryan Williams is better than Randle, and they extended Williams for two years this offseason. He's the free handcuff lottery ticket if, somehow, McFadden makes it through tomorrow without competition. Which I doubt, including UDFA.

 
Where are you seeing that he's #1 on the depth chart, and what was it about Randle's 6.7ypc last year that looked so bad?

I actually thought he looked really, really good last year. Granted he was running on fresh legs behind the league's best line but at least half of that equation remains the same.

 
Pass.

Can see any of Randle, Williams, still to be drafted RB/UDFA pushing him off the roster. He got just a $200k signing bonus -- less than Ryan Williams. Far from guaranteed a roster spot.

 
Where are you seeing that he's #1 on the depth chart, and what was it about Randle's 6.7ypc last year that looked so bad?

I actually thought he looked really, really good last year. Granted he was running on fresh legs behind the league's best line but at least half of that equation remains the same.
And Dunbar didn't even manage 4 ypc behind the same line so it's not as if it was all the line accounting for that.

 
I think Randle is a much better RB. Too bad he's so stupid.
After the run of RB's last night, it's pretty clear they are content letting Randle compete with DMac for the 1-2 down responsibilities. Randle may be an idiot, but there is no mistaking how good he looked behind that line in limited action last year--he was shot out of a cannon! At this point, I just don't see DMac and Williams really challenging JR. They will still probably draft someone in the later rounds, or add a guy after the draft, but their feelings about Randle's talent are abundantly clear by choosing not to draft one of those top rated RB's.

Just out of curiosity, which RB's are still on the board and garnered some hype at the combine/pre-draft process

 
I think Randle is a much better RB. Too bad he's so stupid.
After the run of RB's last night, it's pretty clear they are content letting Randle compete with DMac for the 1-2 down responsibilities. Randle may be an idiot, but there is no mistaking how good he looked behind that line in limited action last year--he was shot out of a cannon! At this point, I just don't see DMac and Williams really challenging JR. They will still probably draft someone in the later rounds, or add a guy after the draft, but their feelings about Randle's talent are abundantly clear by choosing not to draft one of those top rated RB's.

Just out of curiosity, which RB's are still on the board and garnered some hype at the combine/pre-draft process
I'd like to see Mike Davis or David Cobb in Dallas, both very complete RBs.
 
I think Randle is a much better RB. Too bad he's so stupid.
After the run of RB's last night, it's pretty clear they are content letting Randle compete with DMac for the 1-2 down responsibilities. Randle may be an idiot, but there is no mistaking how good he looked behind that line in limited action last year--he was shot out of a cannon! At this point, I just don't see DMac and Williams really challenging JR. They will still probably draft someone in the later rounds, or add a guy after the draft, but their feelings about Randle's talent are abundantly clear by choosing not to draft one of those top rated RB's.

Just out of curiosity, which RB's are still on the board and garnered some hype at the combine/pre-draft process
I'd like to see Mike Davis or David Cobb in Dallas, both very complete RBs.
Buck Allen is another guy.
 
Its going to be the Randall/McFadden/??? Rbbc in dallas. And it will work for them.
Sure seems at this point that Randle is going to get a shot, and with both his criminal issues subsiding and his solid YPC last season, the odds seem pretty good for him. McFadden as COP but he has been lousy for years. Maybe they trade for someone like Zac Stacy and this gets thrown back into chaos.

 
When the cowboys got DMAC, I posted to remind everyone of how much jerry jones LOVED DMAC when he came out of college (and jerry's alma mater).

But even when I posted it I would have never believed the Cowboys would put this team's fortunes on DMAC and randle. Icahn see the blind love and all but SURELY they can't be going into2015 with this, right? Right?

 
Yes, Randle has off the field issues, but he's very talented and more than capable to be an RB2 behind that massive offensive line. That said, I'm shocked thry didn't add anyone in the draft. DMac is cooked and a shell of his former self, so I don't really see him challenging for more than a sparse few carries each week.

 
I actually think Ryan Williams is the play here... JR is an idiot and will probably get himself in trouble again soon Ryan Williams actually turn down a couple of offers last year allegedly to stick with Dallas

Also I believe Williams was sent to the practice squad last yr because he doesn't play specials... Whether they told him they had a role for him in 2015 or not he still stuck around

 
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I actually think Ryan Williams is the play here... JR is an idiot and will probably get himself in trouble again soon Ryan Williams actually turn down a couple of offers last year allegedly to stick with Dallas

Also I believe Williams was sent to the practice squad last yr because he doesn't play specials... Whether they told him they had a role for him in 2015 or not he still stuck around
Williams signing bonus was more than McFaddens'. They've made too much of this at Blogging the Boys but I agree either Williams or Randle will be the better part of this committee.

 
We’ve got one that if he carried that ball 20 times a game, I think he would have outstanding numbers in the 100-yard up area. That is Joseph Randle,” Jones said on 105.3 The Fan [KRLD-FM]. “We’re really proud of his progress, what he’s doing. When he’s gotten the ball, he’s been impressive. He’s been impressive away from the ball.
All you have had to do was pay attention to Jerry Jones. Pre draft he said there wasn't a need at RB.

McFadden got 3 million for 2 years with only 300k for sure. As Chaos Commish noted, its less then Kerwyn Williams. He isn't even assured a roster spot at those #s.

 
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So weird to see them downgrade at RB so much. Thinking Randle has to be the play. Interested in Ryan Williams as well. Hell, anyone would look good behind that o-line.

McFadden has a shot though, his running style is similar to Murray's, except you know... he's made of glass.

 
So weird to see them downgrade at RB so much. Thinking Randle has to be the play. Interested in Ryan Williams as well. Hell, anyone would look good behind that o-line.

McFadden has a shot though, his running style is similar to Murray's, except you know... he's made of glass.
So was Murray until last year.

 
Eminence said:
McFadden has a shot though, his running style is similar to Murray's, except you know... he's made of glass.
That's what people said going into 2014 but he had no injury issues and played all 16 games. He did underperform but proved his critics wrong that he was incapable of staying healthy over an entire season.

 
See the parts of the article I've highlighted in bold below. Whether it's a trade (AP rumors still won't go away... Mason... Sankey... eventual Ivory/Ridley/Stacy castoff, etc.), free agent (Moreno? Bradshaw? Even old SJAX? etc. ), I think Dallas is still looking for their starter. If they do go into the season with the (cough cough) Big Four of McFadden, Randle, Dunbar, and Williams, I give McFadden about a 1/3 chance of being the larger part of a RBBC. Including the trade/FA possibility still, as of now I give him about a 15% chance of being the larger part of a RBBC, let alone being any kind of feature back. He has never been able to run between the tackles effectively and he isn't going to start now. The OL doesn't matter; he just has poor ability to hit the hole decisively.

Paying good fantasy value for DMC now is a mistake, and if you own him I recommend you find that guy who is buying into the buzz on him and sell high.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2015/05/short-of-unique-situation-cowboys-comfortable-with-their-running-backs.html/


Dallas Cowboys Blog
Cowboys VP: Current group of running backs could change
Jon Machota



IRVING – Despite most believing the Dallas Cowboys would address the running back position early in this year’s draft, they didn’t select one with their eight picks.



As of now, the running back depth chart consists of Darren McFadden, Joseph Randle, Lance Dunbar and Ryan Williams. After the draft, the Cowboys also added rookie free agent Synjyn Days.

“We would have liked to have drafted a running back,” Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said. “But at the same token, we didn’t think at any given time that we should pass at the player that was there, even with the running backs [available].”

When last year’s rushing champ DeMarco Murray signed with the Eagles in March, most thought the Cowboys were on track to snag a player like Georgia’s Todd Gurley or Wisconsin’s Melvin Gordon in the first round. But both were gone by the time Dallas was drafting at 27.

What about the second round?

Well, even though quality options like Indiana’s Tevin Coleman and Miami’s Duke Johnson were still available at 60, the Cowboys decided to go with Randy Gregory, a pass rusher who many believed was one of the top 10 players in this class.

A later possibility was Boise State’s Jay Ajayi, a player who attended the Cowboys’ Dallas Day event for local prospects. But Dallas passed on him in the third and fourth round before he went to Miami in the fifth.

“Just because this is our current group of running backs doesn’t mean it will stay that way,” Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones said. “We are always looking to improve our football team, we will continue to look to improve it, obviously, here with minicamps and OTAs and rookie minicamps and things of that nature.

“We’re going to get to see these guys a lot and at the same time we’ll keep our eyes wide open and look if there are opportunities to improve, not just at running back but other positions, and we’ll improve the team.”

And then there is Adrian Peterson.

After all of the speculation leading up to the draft about the Cowboys being a potential trade partner for the All-Pro back, Peterson remains in Minnesota, a team that did not draft a running back to possibly replace him.

Is Peterson still an option for the Cowboys?

“I don’t talk about players not on our team,” Stephen Jones said.

But he didn’t close the door on adding another veteran to the mix, mentioning on two occasions how the Patriots acquired LeGarrette Blount late in the season last year.

“Short of it being a unique situation,” Stephen Jones said, “then we’re comfortable where we are.”

Not drafting a running back also leaves the impression that the offensive line is so good that an elite runner isn’t needed.

Jerry Jones said that’s not the message they were trying to send. Instead, they were saying more about the addition of Darren McFadden, the former top 5 pick who signed with the Cowboys after Murray’s departure.

“We didn’t know that McFadden was going to be available when we initially started to think about this year and in our decisions regarding that,” Jerry Jones said. “It might have been a little different story had we not had McFadden on our roster in this draft.”

But in seven seasons with the Raiders, McFadden has appeared in 16 games only once and he has topped the 1,000-yard rushing mark on only one occasion.

“The issue is never resolved,” Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said. “We feel very good about the guys we have on our roster. We feel good about Darren McFadden. We feel good about Joseph Randle, Lance Dunbar, Ryan Williams. But we’re always trying to create competition. Competition with those four guys themselves but also competition where we can get running backs from other places.

“This is an ongoing process. There will be some teams who have drafted players at certain positions where the guys who are there will all of a sudden become available. I am not suggesting specifically at running back. But we’re going to look at that over the next few days, about what other people do and what the talent landscape looks like and make our best decisions for our team.”

 
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Borden said:
Does anyone think that McFadden had anything to do with them not drafting a back?
It's hard to see how any of the running backs on their roster (or even the group as a whole) held them from drafting one

 
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(5/3/2015) Cowboys running back Darren McFadden could see an expanded role next season, as a kick or punt returner, according to the Dallas Morning News.

 
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I actually think Ryan Williams is the play here... JR is an idiot and will probably get himself in trouble again soon Ryan Williams actually turn down a couple of offers last year allegedly to stick with Dallas

Also I believe Williams was sent to the practice squad last yr because he doesn't play specials... Whether they told him they had a role for him in 2015 or not he still stuck around
Williams signing bonus was more than McFaddens'. They've made too much of this at Blogging the Boys but I agree either Williams or Randle will be the better part of this committee.
Although Williams seems, improbably, to make McFadden (and Jonathan Stewart) look like an ironman, and he seems older because of out of sight, out of mind, he turned just 25 a few weeks ago. If somehow his injuries were behind him, he could also have upside, especially behind that OL (Shecky Greene could have upside behind that OL).
 
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the idea of DMac and Arian Williams being big contributors on offense seems a bit far fetched. It seems like Jerry is content rolling with Randle on 1st-2nd down and using Dunbar/DMac on 3rd down and obvious passing situations. After watching every single one of Randle's carries last year, I understand why they like the kid. That said, given his off the field issues, he's definitely on thin ice. Maybe they wait until camp or an injury to possibly sign a Rice or Moreno.

 
I agree with that. It seems like fans are a lot more interested in the next shiny penny in Dallas. The team just continues to :coffee: and steadily cruise along. I think Randle is the guy right now. Until something else happens, I don't see how that changes. I would worry a little bit if Moreno or Rice were signed but not a ton. We don't know how much those guys have in the tank.

I'm holding Randle in both my dynasty league right now. He's looking a lot less like a lottery ticket with every threshold we pass. He as not released, Demarco was not resigned, Adrian was not traded for, another back was not brought in, nobody was drafted. At some point you just have to look at the evidence. It all points to Randle having a breakout year, until it doesn't.

 
I actually think Ryan Williams is the play here... JR is an idiot and will probably get himself in trouble again soon Ryan Williams actually turn down a couple of offers last year allegedly to stick with Dallas

Also I believe Williams was sent to the practice squad last yr because he doesn't play specials... Whether they told him they had a role for him in 2015 or not he still stuck around
Williams signing bonus was more than McFaddens'. They've made too much of this at Blogging the Boys but I agree either Williams or Randle will be the better part of this committee.
Although Williams seems, improbably, to make McFadden (and Jonathan Stewart) look like an ironman, and he seems older because of out of sight, out of mind, he turned just 25 a few weeks ago. If somehow his injuries were behind him, he could also have upside, especially behind that OL (Shecky Greene could have upside behind that OL).
I don't think he looked very good the last time he attempted to come back when still in Arizona. All of these lower leg injuries add up and take their toll. Obviously it's no impossible that he's completely healthy and rejuvenated and becomes a high volume runner, but I have my doubts.

 
I actually think Ryan Williams is the play here... JR is an idiot and will probably get himself in trouble again soon Ryan Williams actually turn down a couple of offers last year allegedly to stick with Dallas

Also I believe Williams was sent to the practice squad last yr because he doesn't play specials... Whether they told him they had a role for him in 2015 or not he still stuck around
Williams signing bonus was more than McFaddens'. They've made too much of this at Blogging the Boys but I agree either Williams or Randle will be the better part of this committee.
Although Williams seems, improbably, to make McFadden (and Jonathan Stewart) look like an ironman, and he seems older because of out of sight, out of mind, he turned just 25 a few weeks ago. If somehow his injuries were behind him, he could also have upside, especially behind that OL (Shecky Greene could have upside behind that OL).
I don't think he looked very good the last time he attempted to come back when still in Arizona. All of these lower leg injuries add up and take their toll. Obviously it's no impossible that he's completely healthy and rejuvenated and becomes a high volume runner, but I have my doubts.
Ryan Williams last looked decent in 2009. That's freaking FOREVER in RB years. It feels like an eternity since DMC has done anything, but he was actually playing well the first 1/2 of 2011. Expecting either one to rise from the ashes at this point doesn't seem like a great bet to me. Randle is largely an unknown, but zero track record > multiple years of sucking. Seems a little nuts to me that a playoff team that leaned so much on the run is going into the season with such a mess at RB.

 
I was kinda surprised they didn't make a run at Chris Polk. Behind that line, he could have been exceptional. And if nothing else, how fun would it have been for Cowboys fans to let Murray walk to the Eagles, sign the RB they cut, and have him turn out to have a better year than Murray?

Opportunity missed.

 

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