thebestupsman
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I think this is a big bump for Mcgahee? What do yall think?
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McGahee to Denver (1 Viewer)
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NajehHejan
Footballguy
I think he has a great chance at low end RB2 numbers. I think he still has gas left in the tank, and may have a chip on his shoulder due to his lack of use in BAL.
I am really rooting for the guy because of course he’s on my dynasty league but also to show up Rotoworld. They’ve released several dozen updates on him in the past month and in every update they bash him for having declining skills and a poor YPC last year. I think someone there has a personal vendetta against him for some reason and I hope he tears it up. I love RW and read them all the time but they annoy me when it’s so obvious that they slam a certain guy every chance they get.
Back to football. Fox loves to run the ball. They want to take pressure off Tebow. I could also see Moreno pulling a hammy again.
I am really rooting for the guy because of course he’s on my dynasty league but also to show up Rotoworld. They’ve released several dozen updates on him in the past month and in every update they bash him for having declining skills and a poor YPC last year. I think someone there has a personal vendetta against him for some reason and I hope he tears it up. I love RW and read them all the time but they annoy me when it’s so obvious that they slam a certain guy every chance they get.
Back to football. Fox loves to run the ball. They want to take pressure off Tebow. I could also see Moreno pulling a hammy again.
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Birdnals
Footballguy
I think initially his role will be identical to his one in Baltimore. Denver will depend on Moreno between the 20s and McGahee will come in when they get to the redzone, short yardage, yada yada yada. I think his ceiling is potentially much higher though. Moreno is obviously going to have a much shorter leash than Rice did and has shown a tendency to spend some time on the shelf leaving a greater opportunity for McGahee to come in and get some more touches than he has in past years. Also a bump for not having to run against the Steelers twice a year.Same floor, higher ceiling.
thebestupsman
Footballguy
Yeah I love the guy. Baltimore just didn't utilize him at all. I hope he has a break out year!
Shutout
Footballguy
I don't see him as any different than in Baltimore. As much as we want to justify things when we have players like Mcgahee on our FF teams and see the silver lining, we also have to call a duck a duck.
The truth is there IS a reason why Baltimore drafted Rice and moved on from him. There IS a reason why mcGahee was the fallback option and not the primary target for Denver, despite knowing going in that the Broncos have many needs and they could have saved a ton of money from the get-go if they really thought that much of Mcgahee. Mcgahee's production HAS slipped the past few years despite less wear and tear.
And the list goes on. At this point, I would think Willis is exactly what it appears to be. He is signed for backup money and he appears to be a backup. I don't even think its an extreme longshot to think that if the Broncos sign someone else like ronnie brown that he may not even make the final roster. Plus they still ahve LenDale and Fannin and a few other guys, that are going to look better due to age and finances unless Willis just turns back the clock about 4 years.
The truth is there IS a reason why Baltimore drafted Rice and moved on from him. There IS a reason why mcGahee was the fallback option and not the primary target for Denver, despite knowing going in that the Broncos have many needs and they could have saved a ton of money from the get-go if they really thought that much of Mcgahee. Mcgahee's production HAS slipped the past few years despite less wear and tear.
And the list goes on. At this point, I would think Willis is exactly what it appears to be. He is signed for backup money and he appears to be a backup. I don't even think its an extreme longshot to think that if the Broncos sign someone else like ronnie brown that he may not even make the final roster. Plus they still ahve LenDale and Fannin and a few other guys, that are going to look better due to age and finances unless Willis just turns back the clock about 4 years.
thebestupsman
Footballguy
You guys are making me sad!
golfguy
Footballguy
yeah i almost moved jstew for moreno today. think i'll hold off on that now. (dynasty league)
don't give up, miracles happen, someone in the us wins the lottery every day.
thebestupsman
Footballguy
Thanks for the encouragement! I will put the gun away. j/k
sspunisher
Footballguy
The way I see it, Moreno is a huge step down from Rice, and Fox will probably be more willing to split the carries evenly than Harbaugh. It's an upgrade, with big upside b/c Moreno is more injury prone than Rice.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Wasn't Rice cheap to get just a year ago 'cause Willis was a goal line monster? Willis was not much of a step down from Rice, who I think is leaps and bounds better than Moreno. I wouldn't be surprised to see McGahee win this job. Fox has always shown favoritism for veterans anyways.
Why? To me, as long as someone like DeAngelo, Addai, Bradshaw, or Benson didn't sign with Denver, he'd get a small bump up since the possibility of one of those guys going to Denver should have been factored into his ADP. Thus, if anything, he should get a small bump up.
Rice was never cheap to get in dynasty leagues after his rookie season where he showed great potential.McGahee hasn't had high value in years, he is what he is, an older RB with declining skills that was never that good to begin with (once he shredded his knee in college).He's always averaged around 4 YPC. he will likely be the goal-line RB though and could get 100 or so carries.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yawn.
two_dollars
Footballguy
McGahee will be a great backup when Moreno has more hamstring issues.
baconisgood
Footballguy
To those who say McGahee is done-
McClain averaged 3.9 y/c in 2009 and that dropped to 3.0 in 2010. Rice Averaged 5.3 y/c in 2009 and that dropped to 4.0 in 2010. McGahee averaged 5.0 in 2009 and that dropped to 3.8 in 2010.
Total Rushing TDs dropped from 22 to 11 in from 2009-2010 while McGahee dropped from 12 to 5.
Basically Mcgahee's decline last year was in line with Baltimore's entire rushing offense. Of course he is of an age where he could actually decline from last year to this year but there isn't much to suggest he is was any worse last year than the year before (when he had 5.0 y/c and 14 total TDs).
McClain averaged 3.9 y/c in 2009 and that dropped to 3.0 in 2010. Rice Averaged 5.3 y/c in 2009 and that dropped to 4.0 in 2010. McGahee averaged 5.0 in 2009 and that dropped to 3.8 in 2010.
Total Rushing TDs dropped from 22 to 11 in from 2009-2010 while McGahee dropped from 12 to 5.
Basically Mcgahee's decline last year was in line with Baltimore's entire rushing offense. Of course he is of an age where he could actually decline from last year to this year but there isn't much to suggest he is was any worse last year than the year before (when he had 5.0 y/c and 14 total TDs).
bulk of mcgahees carries have been short yardage which further drives his ypc down.
McGahee has averaged 4 or less YPC basically every year of his career outside of the fluke 100 carry year where he had a 75 yard run to inflate it that the poster referenced.Go look at his history, he's a 3.8 - 4.0 YPC guy even when he was younger, and he hasn't found the fountain of youth as far as i know.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I don't think Denver is done yet. Also, what about Mario Fannin? If you don't think Moreno can be passed think again.
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he can, but with what they have now it's not likely. with no stud RB's left in FA doubt he doesn't enter the season as the starter.unless Bradshaw somehow goes there he's safe. Benson could be an issue as he can pound it out and Fox likes that.
mlball77
Footballguy
I don't own McGahee in any dynasty leagues. If I did, I'd be pretty happy with him landing in DEN. Not a great spot, but pretty solid all things considered. Rice was clearly the guy in BAL and McGahee was largely relegated to short yardage duty. In DEN, I think he at least has a small shot to unseat the primary back, Moreno, and/or a shot to carve a more substantial role for himself than what he saw in BAL last season. That is about as much as McGahee owners could have realistically asked for at this point.
anythings possible, but the odds of McGahee becoming a feature RB at 30 after such a lackluster career so far are close to
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
McGahee is here to start. Moreno has a role as the 3rd down back. Maybe White as a short yardage/goalline guy (although Willis has a great nose for the end zone).
They'll call it an open competition, but Eric Studesville was able to get good production from McGahee during their time together in Buffalo. I expect him to be the lead back.
They'll call it an open competition, but Eric Studesville was able to get good production from McGahee during their time together in Buffalo. I expect him to be the lead back.
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
there may be more additions to the RB corps in DenverPlus Fannin is big/fast, looking forward to seeing him take on contact tomorrow at training camp!first your mancrush is jeremiah johnson, next McGahee, followed by Fannin.We realize you hate Moreno but it's getting ridiculous.
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I love this schtick. Listen, I will be at training camp every day and IF Moreno outplays him I will tell you. Until then we 
ok, what do you feel about Moreno's added strength despite his weight loss?
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Never hated Moreno. In fact used to be a big supporter. After seeing him 2 years at every training camp, during media portions of practice, and watching games from press box I'm here to tell you he doesn't have 'it' Pads go on tomorrow. We'll see how everybody looks then. Broncos RB corps a work in progress, let's see how it ends up with honest observations.first your mancrush is jeremiah johnson, next McGahee, followed by Fannin.We realize you hate Moreno but it's getting ridiculous.
Plus Fannin is big/fast, looking forward to seeing him take on contact tomorrow at training camp!
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Added strength???? From what observations? he can do more pullups!!!!!! Let's see the pads go on before we talk about his added strength. Moreno has no bubble, lower body strength very important for RBs, comes from your bubble and thighs...Moreno looks small. Guy had trouble running through arm tackles when he was bigger. I'll reserve judgement on his 'strength' until we see him break some tackles he normally wouldn't. So far the lost weight was supposed to make him quicker and faster. He hasn't looked noticeably faster or quicker in the first 2 days of camp. Maybe the pads come on and he starts to impress.
true, and if they brought in a legit RB i would 100% agree, but at this point Moreno is better then anything they have.Moreno was better last year then any year McGahee has had.Never hated Moreno. In fact used to be a big supporter. After seeing him 2 years at every training camp, during media portions of practice, and watching games from press box I'm here to tell you he doesn't have 'it' Pads go on tomorrow. We'll see how everybody looks then. Broncos RB corps a work in progress, let's see how it ends up with honest observations.first your mancrush is jeremiah johnson, next McGahee, followed by Fannin.We realize you hate Moreno but it's getting ridiculous.
Plus Fannin is big/fast, looking forward to seeing him take on contact tomorrow at training camp!
sue me for thinking that if he improved his upper body strength that drastically then he probably improved his lower body strength as well.maybe he only worked on his upper body all offseason..even typing that sounds ridiculous.He's got stronger this offseason, almost surely in his lower body as well.Added strength???? From what observations? he can do more pullups!!!!!! Let's see the pads go on before we talk about his added strength. Moreno has no bubble, lower body strength very important for RBs, comes from your bubble and thighs...Moreno looks small. Guy had trouble running through arm tackles when he was bigger. I'll reserve judgement on his 'strength' until we see him break some tackles he normally wouldn't. So far the lost weight was supposed to make him quicker and faster. He hasn't looked noticeably faster or quicker in the first 2 days of camp. Maybe the pads come on and he starts to impress.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You might want to do your research before making such statements. McGahee has already had 4 better years than Moreno and another was even.
(1) year where he averaged 5.0 YPC on 109 carriesThe other 1432 carries (during his "prime") he averaged 3.9. Yes in 1432 carries (a large sample) he has averaged under 4 YPC. That is horrible.Moreno hasn't 100% proven he sucks yet, McGahee has.
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
that doesn't change what I said.
yeah, it pretty much does.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
omg, ok, lol
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I see a 60/40 split here in Morenos favor & I own McGahee. However, I would not be surprised is McGahee got the bulk of the carries. Not bad value for an 18 round pick (Where I just got him)
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
No idea why this is so complicated...
Moreno has been underwhelming in his career so far.
Fox shows up in Denver and immediately there are multiple(?) reports that the staff in Denver doesn't think Moreno is an every down back and that they see him as a third down back.
Moreno shows up to camp slimmed down to 200 pounds - looking like a third down back.
The Broncos try to sign a feature back DWil, but fail.
They settle for McGahee.
Obviously all circumstantial since we're not talking to John Fox, maybe they still love Moreno. But I'll let you take that bet.
Moreno has been underwhelming in his career so far.
Fox shows up in Denver and immediately there are multiple(?) reports that the staff in Denver doesn't think Moreno is an every down back and that they see him as a third down back.
Moreno shows up to camp slimmed down to 200 pounds - looking like a third down back.
The Broncos try to sign a feature back DWil, but fail.
They settle for McGahee.
Obviously all circumstantial since we're not talking to John Fox, maybe they still love Moreno. But I'll let you take that bet.
Good post.Sometimes you just gotta step back and look at the overview. When I make bad calculations it's usually because I ignored the bigger picture that was right there in front of me.This whole situation screams temporary till Fox can get a guy he truly wants. That hasn't happened yet but I wouldn't be surprised if a few more backs get a chance to impress.It looks like open audition season in the Bronco backfield.
