Mcnabb Torn ACL (1 Viewer)

[njxbean]

From a fantasy perspective, it is uge news, but from an NFL perspective, it's just as big.How many players in the NFL would have as drastic of an effect on their team if they weren't there, as McNabb will have? We saw what happened last year when McMahon had to come in.I would guess that only Manning, Brady, and, possibly, Steve Smith would have as much of an impact on their teams.Philly was 5-4. I predict they will finish 6-10.

The other problem is how McNabb got injured. He got bumped and did a somersault. If that puts you out for the year you are deifinitely fragile. I think the Eagles are done and it is dicey to count on McNabb in the future. He is a good guy, but I think the Eagles have to start looking to the future.

yes i agree. they should trade him to my redskins and be done with him!

 

[Joe Bryant]

Not sure how they know it's torn yet. It might be but how can they tell so soon? Normally, we don't hear about tears until 1 - 2 days after the game.

There is a simple test that is done involving manipulating the knee area and testing its resistance to allowing the tibia to be pulled away. It is extremely accurate and the MRI will simply identify how severe the tear is (it quite possibly was completely ruptured).The irony for me is incredible as I was leading my league with McNabb at the helm. I completely tore my ACL earlier in the year and had surgery to reconstruct a few weeks ago. This news is not making my own rehab any easier...

This is not true at all.That being said he is probably done.

Which part is not true, you moron? Have you torn an ACL? Are you a doctor?http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/501970

Leave out the moron name calling you want to keep posting here.TIA.

J

 

[Howie]

Not sure how they know it's torn yet. It might be but how can they tell so soon? Normally, we don't hear about tears until 1 - 2 days after the game.

There is a simple test that is done involving manipulating the knee area and testing its resistance to allowing the tibia to be pulled away. It is extremely accurate and the MRI will simply identify how severe the tear is (it quite possibly was completely ruptured).The irony for me is incredible as I was leading my league with McNabb at the helm. I completely tore my ACL earlier in the year and had surgery to reconstruct a few weeks ago. This news is not making my own rehab any easier...

This is not true at all.That being said he is probably done.

Which part is not true, you moron? Have you torn an ACL? Are you a doctor?http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/501970

Leave out the moron name calling you want to keep posting here.TIA.

J

That's fine, but I don't expect someone (especially when speaking from a base of ignorance) to tell me to shutup. Wouldn't you agree? Shouldn't you address that as well if you are going to police the board?EDIT: It appears as if you removed the instigating post... thanks

Thank you,

 

[Tong Po]

That's it for the Eagles this season.

Yes... that's the bigger issue. As an Eagles fan, I'm not looking forward to watching Jeff Garcia or AJ Feeley running the ship for the rest of the year. The Eagles will be hard pressed to finish 8-8 without McNabb. So much for the playoffs. Let the Phillies / Alfonso Soriano watch begin!!!

 

[shadyridr]

That's it for the Eagles this season.

Yes... that's the bigger issue. As an Eagles fan, I'm not looking forward to watching Jeff Garcia or AJ Feeley running the ship for the rest of the year. The Eagles will be hard pressed to finish 8-8 without McNabb. So much for the playoffs. Let the Phillies / Alfonso Soriano watch begin!!!

Umm the Cubs already signed him

 

[videoguy505]

That's it for the Eagles this season.

Yes... that's the bigger issue. As an Eagles fan, I'm not looking forward to watching Jeff Garcia or AJ Feeley running the ship for the rest of the year. The Eagles will be hard pressed to finish 8-8 without McNabb. So much for the playoffs. Let the Phillies / Alfonso Soriano watch begin!!!

Umm the Cubs already signed him

 

[Southside Stosh]

That's a shame. I hope Don is healthy and ready to go for opening day 2007.

The Iggles need to cut Garcia in the offseason and draft a QB for next year. I'm not convinced AJ is the long term answer should Don get hurt in the future.

 

[redman]

That's it for the Eagles this season.

Yes... that's the bigger issue. As an Eagles fan, I'm not looking forward to watching Jeff Garcia or AJ Feeley running the ship for the rest of the year. The Eagles will be hard pressed to finish 8-8 without McNabb. So much for the playoffs. Let the Phillies / Alfonso Soriano watch begin!!!

As much as I hate providing moral support for despondent Eagles fans, the fact is that every time that McNabb's gone down to injury while the rest of the team has remained largely healthy, his replacements have done very well. I seem to recall a stretch of time in 2002 when future Hall of Famers Koy Detmer and A. J. Feeley strung together five wins in six starts to end the year and enable the team to reach the playoffs with home field advantage throughout the playoffs. I'm not particularly an Andy Reid fan, but a strongsuit of his seems to be rallying his team when he's had injury problems to key players.

 

[Southside Stosh]

future Hall of Famers Koy Detmer and A. J. Feeley

 

[prosopis]

That's it for the Eagles this season.

Yes... that's the bigger issue. As an Eagles fan, I'm not looking forward to watching Jeff Garcia or AJ Feeley running the ship for the rest of the year. The Eagles will be hard pressed to finish 8-8 without McNabb. So much for the playoffs. Let the Phillies / Alfonso Soriano watch begin!!!

Umm the Cubs already signed him

 

[hi1111]

That's a shame. I hope Don is healthy and ready to go for opening day 2007.The Iggles need to cut Garcia in the offseason and draft a QB for next year. I'm not convinced AJ is the long term answer should Don get hurt in the future.

a qb? no way a running back is what they need

 

[bulldog_guy]

With McNabb out I've got to rely on the unpreditcable Plummer going into the playoffs in two weeks. Will have to pickup Griese but chances are I don't stand a chance because I am the low man on the waiver wire.

 

[shadyridr]

With McNabb out I've got to rely on the unpreditcable Plummer going into the playoffs in two weeks. Will have to pickup Griese but chances are I don't stand a chance because I am the low man on the waiver wire.

 

[Tong Po]

That's it for the Eagles this season.

Yes... that's the bigger issue. As an Eagles fan, I'm not looking forward to watching Jeff Garcia or AJ Feeley running the ship for the rest of the year. The Eagles will be hard pressed to finish 8-8 without McNabb. So much for the playoffs. Let the Phillies / Alfonso Soriano watch begin!!!

Umm the Cubs already signed him

Damn... kick a man while he's down. Didn't know that. I thought there was a bidding war going on for his services. Well at least we got the Flyers. :X

 

[redman]

With McNabb out I've got to rely on the unpreditcable Plummer going into the playoffs in two weeks. Will have to pickup Griese but chances are I don't stand a chance because I am the low man on the waiver wire.

(unless he's for Bears homers to defend Peyton Grossman)

 

[GroveDiesel]

Could be a career ender actually. Part of McNabbs arsenal is his ability to scramble and his running ability as a QB. If he loses a step or two and has to rely solely as a pocket passer, he could have some serious problems. IMHO McNabbs running prowess helps to keep defenses honest enough for him to get some slack for his passing game. He loses that and who knows where his career will go.

Actually, McNabb has become almost soley a pocket passer over the past few years. He rarely runs anymore. I do think that the Eagles are done for the year though. They were shaky anyone and when they were winning games it was mostly on the back of McNabb. Garcia was terrible yesterday and Feeley really isn't that good either. I wonder what this does for Reid's job stability? The Eagles looked somewhat questionable to make the playoffs before McNabb got hurt. If they had everyone healthy for the stretch run and didn't make the playoffs, I would think that Reid's job would be in serious jeopardy. But with McNabb getting hurt (again), does this open the door for more excuses and another chance for Reid? Lastly, I think that whomever is the strength and conditioning person with the Eagles should be fired. The Eagles have a ton of muscle and ligament injuries every single season. This is certainly a freak injury but the Eagles just seem to have a ton of these types of injuries.

 

[ATC1]

Could be a career ender actually. Part of McNabbs arsenal is his ability to scramble and his running ability as a QB. If he loses a step or two and has to rely solely as a pocket passer, he could have some serious problems. IMHO McNabbs running prowess helps to keep defenses honest enough for him to get some slack for his passing game. He loses that and who knows where his career will go.

So, you are saying because a running back or WR uses his legs to run around and move away from tackles, they are done for their career from a torn ACL. Edwards, Walker and McAlister look fine to me.

 

[ATC1]

Could be a career ender actually. Part of McNabbs arsenal is his ability to scramble and his running ability as a QB. If he loses a step or two and has to rely solely as a pocket passer, he could have some serious problems. IMHO McNabbs running prowess helps to keep defenses honest enough for him to get some slack for his passing game. He loses that and who knows where his career will go.

Actually, McNabb has become almost soley a pocket passer over the past few years. He rarely runs anymore. I do think that the Eagles are done for the year though. They were shaky anyone and when they were winning games it was mostly on the back of McNabb. Garcia was terrible yesterday and Feeley really isn't that good either. I wonder what this does for Reid's job stability? The Eagles looked somewhat questionable to make the playoffs before McNabb got hurt. If they had everyone healthy for the stretch run and didn't make the playoffs, I would think that Reid's job would be in serious jeopardy. But with McNabb getting hurt (again), does this open the door for more excuses and another chance for Reid? Lastly, I think that whomever is the strength and conditioning person with the Eagles should be fired. The Eagles have a ton of muscle and ligament injuries every single season. This is certainly a freak injury but the Eagles just seem to have a ton of these types of injuries.

There are a lot of muscle and ligament injuries for every team. It's not the fault of the strength and conditioning coach. Stalworth had hammy problems while in New Orleans, ACL and hernias are freak injuries, and I think they have done a good job controling the swelling in Westbrooks knee. That is usually something that is reall hard to control. (i.e. Faulk, Martin, Davis)

 

[ATC1]

Not sure how they know it's torn yet. It might be but how can they tell so soon? Normally, we don't hear about tears until 1 - 2 days after the game.

There is a simple test that is done involving manipulating the knee area and testing its resistance to allowing the tibia to be pulled away. It is extremely accurate and the MRI will simply identify how severe the tear is (it quite possibly was completely ruptured).The irony for me is incredible as I was leading my league with McNabb at the helm. I completely tore my ACL earlier in the year and had surgery to reconstruct a few weeks ago. This news is not making my own rehab any easier...

This is not true at all.That being said he is probably done.

It is actually true. If you can get a possitive test then it usually is a tear. It's rare than a doctor or trainer will mis-diagnosed an ACL tear before an MRI. However, if there is a good amount of swelling it can be easy to have a false negative test. This means because of the swelling making the knee tight, it may seem that the ACL is intact with the test, but in fact it is torn.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Not sure how they know it's torn yet. It might be but how can they tell so soon? Normally, we don't hear about tears until 1 - 2 days after the game.

There is a simple test that is done involving manipulating the knee area and testing its resistance to allowing the tibia to be pulled away. It is extremely accurate and the MRI will simply identify how severe the tear is (it quite possibly was completely ruptured).The irony for me is incredible as I was leading my league with McNabb at the helm. I completely tore my ACL earlier in the year and had surgery to reconstruct a few weeks ago. This news is not making my own rehab any easier...

This is not true at all.That being said he is probably done.

It is actually true. If you can get a possitive test then it usually is a tear. It's rare than a doctor or trainer will mis-diagnosed an ACL tear before an MRI. However, if there is a good amount of swelling it can be easy to have a false negative test. This means because of the swelling making the knee tight, it may seem that the ACL is intact with the test, but in fact it is torn.

 

[redman]

Could be a career ender actually.

Part of McNabbs arsenal is his ability to scramble and his running ability as a QB. If he loses a step or two and has to rely solely as a pocket passer, he could have some serious problems.

IMHO McNabbs running prowess helps to keep defenses honest enough for him to get some slack for his passing game. He loses that and who knows where his career will go.

Actually, McNabb has become almost soley a pocket passer over the past few years. He rarely runs scrambles anymore.

I'm just making a point of clarification. There are two types of QB "runs" IMHO, scrambles for rushing yards and rolls/bootlegs (designed or not) outside of the pocket in order to buy time. I agree that McNabb no longer engages much in the former, but the latter is still a major part of his game. Indeed, the injury occurred yesterday on a rollout to the right . . .

 

[GroveDiesel]

Could be a career ender actually.

Part of McNabbs arsenal is his ability to scramble and his running ability as a QB. If he loses a step or two and has to rely solely as a pocket passer, he could have some serious problems.

IMHO McNabbs running prowess helps to keep defenses honest enough for him to get some slack for his passing game. He loses that and who knows where his career will go.

Actually, McNabb has become almost soley a pocket passer over the past few years. He rarely runs scrambles anymore.

I'm just making a point of clarification. There are two types of QB "runs" IMHO, scrambles for rushing yards and rolls/bootlegs (designed or not) outside of the pocket in order to buy time. I agree that McNabb no longer engages much in the former, but the latter is still a major part of his game. Indeed, the injury occurred yesterday on a rollout to the right . . .

That's a good point and very true. The Eagles do use a lot of rollouts and McNabb is very good at moving around in the pocket as well. But I don't think that a lack of a top gear or an inability to make cuts on a dime would affect that part of his game a ton. It might to some degree, but McNabb hasn't provided the same type of threat that a guy like Michael Vick provides in quite some time. I think that it affects him even less than what Culpepper's tear affects/will affect him.Now, he may take a good bit of time to recover, but I don't think that this drastically affects his game.

 

[njxbean]

Could be a career ender actually.

Part of McNabbs arsenal is his ability to scramble and his running ability as a QB. If he loses a step or two and has to rely solely as a pocket passer, he could have some serious problems.

IMHO McNabbs running prowess helps to keep defenses honest enough for him to get some slack for his passing game. He loses that and who knows where his career will go.

Actually, McNabb has become almost soley a pocket passer over the past few years. He rarely runs scrambles anymore.

I'm just making a point of clarification. There are two types of QB "runs" IMHO, scrambles for rushing yards and rolls/bootlegs (designed or not) outside of the pocket in order to buy time. I agree that McNabb no longer engages much in the former, but the latter is still a major part of his game. Indeed, the injury occurred yesterday on a rollout to the right . . .

That's a good point and very true. The Eagles do use a lot of rollouts and McNabb is very good at moving around in the pocket as well. But I don't think that a lack of a top gear or an inability to make cuts on a dime would affect that part of his game a ton. It might to some degree, but McNabb hasn't provided the same type of threat that a guy like Michael Vick provides in quite some time. I think that it affects him even less than what Culpepper's tear affects/will affect him.Now, he may take a good bit of time to recover, but I don't think that this drastically affects his game.

i doubt it will affect him either. i still remember that game where he hurt his leg, could barely walk and threw for like 350 yards!

 

[ATC1]

I just heard Mort on ESPN say that McNabb will fly to Dr. Andrews tommorrow to see about his knee. He makes very good points. McNabb has a ACL and Minicus tear, which is not as bad as Culpepper and Palmer. In fact, the meniscus tear means very little at all. He also mentioned that he would not be on a plane tommorrow if he had swelling in his knee.

Swelling in the knee would be the only thing that would keep McNabb from having the surgery now. The sooner the surgery the quicker the recovery can begin. Also, this may indicate that after the surgery McNabb may have less of a chance for swelling problems during rehab. Meaning that recovery time will be less. Erasmus James for the vikings tore his ACL and has yet to have surgery because of swelling problems. Players like James need to go to rehab to prep for surgery to increase ROM and decrease swelling, or the recovery period will be much harder on the athlete.

It is still very early obviously, but at least this is good news for Eagles fans, and dynasty owners.

 

[JuniorNB]

I just heard Mort on ESPN say that McNabb will fly to Dr. Andrews tommorrow to see about his knee. He makes very good points. McNabb has a ACL and Minicus tear, which is not as bad as Culpepper and Palmer. In fact, the meniscus tear means very little at all. He also mentioned that he would not be on a plane tommorrow if he had swelling in his knee. Swelling in the knee would be the only thing that would keep McNabb from having the surgery now. The sooner the surgery the quicker the recovery can begin. Also, this may indicate that after the surgery McNabb may have less of a chance for swelling problems during rehab. Meaning that recovery time will be less. Erasmus James for the vikings tore his ACL and has yet to have surgery because of swelling problems. Players like James need to go to rehab to prep for surgery to increase ROM and decrease swelling, or the recovery period will be much harder on the athlete.It is still very early obviously, but at least this is good news for Eagles fans, and dynasty owners.

I fully expect McNabb to be throwing footballs to moving wheel-targets at the Pro Bowl quarterback challenge in Febraury. Comebacktousdonavan