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McNabb vs. Cassell (1 Viewer)

Gatorman

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Who do you take?

I think the patriots will likely franchise Cassel under the premise of 1) Getting something for him or 2) If Brady is slow to recover, he is a fairly cheap (I think the cap number for a QB in franchise is 7 mil or so) to keep things running smoothly (and then trade him in 2010)

McNabb has a 10 million dollar number (unguaranteed), and has kolb waiting in the wings.

Who would you rather have if you were QB strapped like 1) The Lions, 2) SF, or 3) some other team...

(I am sure the rookie QBs enter in here as well, but Stafford may be the only one ready day 1 (ala Ryan) while the other 3 guys may need some "seasoning")

 
McNabb has a 10 million dollar number (unguaranteed), and has kolb waiting in the wings.
I'm glad someone feels Kolb is waiting in the wings. The feeling around Philly is that he's not the answer. I think I puked every time he threw the ball on Sunday.
 
Cassel will not have the franchise tag placed on him, Bob Kraft in a post game press conference stated that he will wish Cassel luck next year in his decision. They already have Brady on the books next year and they are not going to pay Cassel the kind of money that the franchise tag would net him as they have more pressing signings to deal with in the offseason.

I see McNabb ending up in Minnesotta, because I think the Vikings think the only thing stopping them from the Superbowl is a QB so they will take the gamble on an aged veterine.

Cassel I can see ending up as either a 49er or a lion, both have solid skill position players and with Detroit having all those picks from the Dallas trade can improve their line to protect him. The wild card in this decision is if the New England offensive Coordinator ends up a head coach some place. I can see Cassel following him where ever he goes.

In answer to your question I would prefer Cassel, as he is a younger QB and McNabb is on the downside of his career.

 
I think the patriots will likely franchise Cassel under the premise of 1) Getting something for him or 2) If Brady is slow to recover, he is a fairly cheap (I think the cap number for a QB in franchise is 7 mil or so) to keep things running smoothly (and then trade him in 2010)
Franchise tag for a QB should be $13-14 million next year. Keeping both Brady and Cassel at any point into the 2009 NFL calendar season would require NE to utilize over $28 million in cap space as long as they have a franchise offer extended to Cassel (so even if he doesn't sign it). NE would have to make room under the cap to keep both guys potentially rostered and they are $3 million under the cap currently. They also have quite a few players that need extensions (Brady among them), so that would tie their hands in those efforts until the Pats resolve the Cassel issue.Similarly, they couldn't trade Cassel until he signed the franchise tender, so another team would have to want to take on that contract and then renegotiate a new deal. Of course, it happens all the time that both the teams, agent, and player come to a deal and then move on to a trade, but those trades don't always happen.Some people (albeit not ones I would give a lot of weight to) have speculated that it would make more sense to flat out sign Cassel to be the Pats starter and trade Brady, but I don't see that one happening.
 
Cassel will not have the franchise tag placed on him, Bob Kraft in a post game press conference stated that he will wish Cassel luck next year in his decision.
If you are referencing what I posted the other day, it was Jonathan Kraft (Bob's son and President of the Pats) who mentioned this in the Pats radio pregame show. The sentiment was that they would let Casssel test the free agent waters as they did not sound prepared to up the ante to sign him to a big money deal to be a backup. However, it's a long time until March when the 2009 NFL season and free agency opens, so Cassel could continue to impress and Brady could be slow in recovering so I would think there is at least a chance that Cassel could get franchised (albeit at this point a slim one).
 
If McNabb can make it work anywhere (not saying he will or won't) it will be under Brad Childress (not saying he will or won't still have his job there).

Eagles' QB Donovan McNabb holds Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress in high regard

BY SEAN JENSEN

Pioneer Press

10/26/2007 01:09:54 PM CDT

PHILADELPHIA - Philadelphia Eagles Pro Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb would roll his eyes and playfully break into song when Brad Childress would whip out a chart dissecting his position or an opposing defense to the nth degree during a meeting.

"He'd get creative with colors and helmets," McNabb said of his first six NFL seasons with Childress as his position coach and offensive coordinator.

"Brad is a stat guy. The last two years, he started putting up charts of teams and where they rank, and with every sack, there is a fumble here, and being in the pocket for this long. ... You hear that, and you're like, 'Oh no, not again.' "

Sitting in an office at the Eagles' NovaCare Complex, McNabb laughed and fondly recalled stories of his time with Childress, who became the Vikings coach in January 2006. McNabb misses Childress, professionally and personally, although the two speak every few weeks, discussing their families, victories and defeats, triumphs and setbacks.

"We're pretty close," McNabb said. "I saw his kids grow up."

Coming off a 3-13 season, the Eagles hired Green Bay Packers quarterbacks coach Andy Reid in 1999 to take over one of the league's worst franchises. With the No. 2 pick in the 1999 NFL draft, Reid planned to address one of the team's glaring needs, and he hired Childress to groom that franchise quarterback.

"It was the year of the quarterback," Childress said this week.

"(Reid) was looking for someone who would be a mentor and a coach for what was going to be the second pick in the draft, and we were going to take a quarterback." Specifically, Reid wanted someone who spoke his language, someone who could communicate exactly what he wanted to the young franchise quarterback.

And although he had coached quarterbacks one season in Indianapolis, Childress was himself learning the nuances of the West Coast offense Reid wanted to establish in Philadelphia.

"He was so thorough with Donovan, and so disciplined with him," Reid said of Childress. "He taught him the ins and outs of the league, while he was learning it along the way.

"They kind of grew together," Reid said. "It was awesome. They had a great relationship."

McNabb described Childress as a "motivator," constantly pushing him to work, study and practice more. Even after victories, when the inclination was to relax and relish, Childress kept pushing him. And when McNabb wanted more, Childress never disappointed.

"He was that leader up front, at all times," McNabb said. "I wanted to learn more, and he would always dig deeper, to bring more information to me."

McNabb said Childress also frequently communicated with Reid and coaches from other clubs, to "try and better himself" as a coach.

After learning behind longtime veteran Doug Pederson, McNabb took over as the Eagles' starting quarterback midway through his rookie season.

As with Vikings quarterback Tarvaris Jackson, McNabb's team went 2-4 in his first six starts, and he completed just 49 percent of his passes, a fact he shared with Jackson a few weeks ago.

But Childress remained calm, and he challenged McNabb to stay focused and hungry.

"The one thing about Brad that people need to take into account is, he continually talks about patience," McNabb said. " 'Don't worry about it. Just keep working. Keep grinding. Things may be down now. But be patient. It'll come. And before you know it, we'll be right where we want to be.' "

The Eagles finished 5-11 in 1999, and McNabb finished the season with a passer rating of 60.1, with eight touchdowns and 13 turnovers. McNabb dramatically improved in 2000, was named by his teammates the offensive MVP and led the Eagles, who finished 11-5 that season, to a playoff victory.

McNabb said he text-messaged encouragement to Jackson after his four-interception performance in an overtime loss Sept. 16 at Detroit.

"I just try to be that guy on the side, where if he wants to talk, I'm here," McNabb said.

The key for a young quarterback, McNabb said, is having the support of his coaches.

"When you have that type of support in your corner, it helps in so many ways," he said.

Coaching also doesn't hurt, McNabb said, which is why Jackson is so lucky.

In addition to working with Childress, McNabb was groomed at Syracuse by Kevin Rogers, the Vikings' quarterbacks coach.

Asked if Jackson could have two better teachers, McNabb said, "I don't think so.

"It's easy but hard for me to say. Easy, because I've had the opportunity to work with both," McNabb said. "What Tarvaris can count on is the fact that he's got two guys in his corner that will continue to push him and work with him."

Despite the Vikings' 2-4 record, McNabb said he is confident Childress is building a strong team.

"He's bringing more talent in, he's showing confidence in his guys, and he's obviously trying to develop Tarvaris into the quarterback he wants to be," McNabb said.

"If Minnesota fans and the ownership just have patience, it's going to happen."

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Cassel will not have the franchise tag placed on him, Bob Kraft in a post game press conference stated that he will wish Cassel luck next year in his decision.
If you are referencing what I posted the other day, it was Jonathan Kraft (Bob's son and President of the Pats) who mentioned this in the Pats radio pregame show. The sentiment was that they would let Casssel test the free agent waters as they did not sound prepared to up the ante to sign him to a big money deal to be a backup. However, it's a long time until March when the 2009 NFL season and free agency opens, so Cassel could continue to impress and Brady could be slow in recovering so I would think there is at least a chance that Cassel could get franchised (albeit at this point a slim one).
David you are correct and my mistake it was Jonathan and not Bob. I still do not see them franchising him with all the other holes they need to fill in, especially on the offensive line and linebacker and secondary
 
Let's face it, the pats are not above playing games here. They can Franchise cassell, try to get a deal for him (while waiting to see what happens with Brady) and then remove the tag if it does not work.

I like what cassel's done, but the truth is New England hid him last week against Miami with the Spread offense (when will D coaches realize when BB is up against the wall vs. a good D that he goes to the spread...), and he delivered to the most talented group of WRs east of the Mississippi. I see him doing well in Detroid with Megatron (almost a carbon copy of Mitchell from Miami to detroit after marino got hurt), but I am wondering what teams will be willing to give up. The lions are not dumb enough (I hope) to give up #1 overall for him. It would be better to give up pick # 33 for mcnabb or something.

 
Let's face it, the pats are not above playing games here. They can Franchise cassell, try to get a deal for him (while waiting to see what happens with Brady) and then remove the tag if it does not work.I like what cassel's done, but the truth is New England hid him last week against Miami with the Spread offense (when will D coaches realize when BB is up against the wall vs. a good D that he goes to the spread...), and he delivered to the most talented group of WRs east of the Mississippi. I see him doing well in Detroid with Megatron (almost a carbon copy of Mitchell from Miami to detroit after marino got hurt), but I am wondering what teams will be willing to give up. The lions are not dumb enough (I hope) to give up #1 overall for him. It would be better to give up pick # 33 for mcnabb or something.
Cassel will be a FA, and there is pretty much nothing the Pats can do to change that. As noted by DY, they can't even tender a Franchise offer without reworking the cap to the tune of 10+ million. Cassel has show to be a decent NFL talent, and I'm not sure what his ceiling is now. His progress over the past 12 weeks has been very good. I don't think any team would try to trade for him if they expect he'll be available as a FA.Detroit makes the most sense of the teams that need a QB. I could see SF as a landing spot, as well. Cassel has certainly earned himself a starters paycheck with his improved play over the past few weeks.
 
Devilsden2001 said:
Cassel will not have the franchise tag placed on him, Bob Kraft in a post game press conference stated that he will wish Cassel luck next year in his decision.
If you are referencing what I posted the other day, it was Jonathan Kraft (Bob's son and President of the Pats) who mentioned this in the Pats radio pregame show. The sentiment was that they would let Casssel test the free agent waters as they did not sound prepared to up the ante to sign him to a big money deal to be a backup. However, it's a long time until March when the 2009 NFL season and free agency opens, so Cassel could continue to impress and Brady could be slow in recovering so I would think there is at least a chance that Cassel could get franchised (albeit at this point a slim one).
David you are correct and my mistake it was Jonathan and not Bob. I still do not see them franchising him with all the other holes they need to fill in, especially on the offensive line and linebacker and secondary
with all those holes and being high on O'Connell, I can see the Pats pulling a Herschel Walker type trade to unload the damaged Brady.After all, as far as Bellichek is concerned, it's all about him anywayThe team should receive multiple high picks and /or a valuable players which will do more to maintain the Pats dynasty than having a damaged Brady back behind center.
 
Rumor that has been brewin in Philly, is that Cassel will be their starting QB next year in philadelphia. Reasoning behind it is that McNabb will be gone after this year, Jeff Lurie(eagles owner) is real good friends with Kraft(pats owner). Lurie is also from Boston and grew up a Pats fan and is listening/watching the Cassel situation closely.

There is also a writer from SI that did an article on this that is saying the same thing but im to lazy to find it......

 
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Rumor that has been brewin in Philly, is that Cassel will be their starting QB next year in philadelphia. Reasoning behind it is that McNabb will be gone after this year, Jeff Lurie(eagles owner) is real good friends with Kraft(pats owner). Lurie is also from Boston and grew up a Pats fan and is listening/watching the Cassel situation closely.There is also a writer from SI that did an article on this that is saying the same thing but im to lazy to find it......
If another team offers Cassel a bigger/longer contract with more guaranteed money, be prepared for Cassel to not be an Eagle next year.
 

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