McNabb's a Redskin! (1 Viewer)

[thayman]

There are a lot more missing pieces in Washington right now besides QB and more than likely it'll take 2 to 3 years to get them back to top form and it's more likely than not (I know we've had some successful older Qb's lately) than in 3 years McNabb will be ready to finally lead a team to the promise land, something he never did in his prime, unlike guys like Warner and Farve.

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think the Redskins are really that far away.

I know in today's NFL, it seems like teams can turn themselves around a lot quicker than one may think (unless your the Lions) so maybe they will, it's probably the Cowboy fan in me that leads me to believe that they're farther off than they really are.

I'm a huge Redskins fan and think they are several years away from being competitive.

 

[scratcher]

Reid mentioned multiple times "doing the best thing for Donovan." When asked if he received a better offer for McNabb than what the redskins offered, he sidestepped the question awkwardly. I have a feeling that Oakland or Buffalo had a better deal on teh table.

 

[delusional]

Reid mentioned multiple times "doing the best thing for Donovan." When asked if he received a better offer for McNabb than what the redskins offered, he sidestepped the question awkwardly. I have a feeling that Oakland or Buffalo had a better deal on teh table.

If this is true then he royally ####ed up. any other other coach would be out a job

 

[Dexter Manley]

Reid mentioned multiple times "doing the best thing for Donovan." When asked if he received a better offer for McNabb than what the redskins offered, he sidestepped the question awkwardly. I have a feeling that Oakland or Buffalo had a better deal on teh table.

I doubt it. Skins had a higher 2nd round pick than Oak or Buf.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Skins now have no 2nd or 3rd round pick. They have to trade down from #4 overall pick.

And the Eagles got themselves a 2nd round pick which, with the other picks they have, could shape the franchise for a few years. Eagles got the good end of the deal.

McNabb is going to commit suicide with that OL in front of him. He won't last the 2010 season.

 

[Amused to Death]

Reid mentioned multiple times "doing the best thing for Donovan." When asked if he received a better offer for McNabb than what the redskins offered, he sidestepped the question awkwardly. I have a feeling that Oakland or Buffalo had a better deal on teh table.

If this is true then he royally ####ed up. any other other coach would be out a job

I would be very disappointed if they gave up a better offer to appease McNabb. Love McNabb but the first loyalty is to the team.

 

[delusional]

Skins now have no 2nd or 3rd round pick. They have to trade down from #4 overall pick. And the Eagles got themselves a 2nd round pick which, with the other picks they have, could shape the franchise for a few years. Eagles got the good end of the deal. McNabb is going to commit suicide with that OL in front of him. He won't last the 2010 season.

with how deep in talent the draft is this year, they could trade down to bottom of the 1st and pick up some other picks

 

[Sinrman]

Reid mentioned multiple times "doing the best thing for Donovan." When asked if he received a better offer for McNabb than what the redskins offered, he sidestepped the question awkwardly. I have a feeling that Oakland or Buffalo had a better deal on teh table.

Why in their right mind would they turn down a BETTER deal and get him out of their division?! That makes absolutely no sense...

 

[renesauz]

Reid mentioned multiple times "doing the best thing for Donovan." When asked if he received a better offer for McNabb than what the redskins offered, he sidestepped the question awkwardly. I have a feeling that Oakland or Buffalo had a better deal on teh table.

Reading between the lines...that tells me that Donovan agreed to sign with the Skins when he wouldn't with the Raiders or Bills. NOBODY makes this trade if the player isn't willing to extend.

 

[Lehigh98]

I have a feeling that Oakland or Buffalo had a better deal on teh table.

No way, Eagles FO has no loyalty past improving the team no matter how they tried to save face.

 

[Billy Bats]

Reid mentioned multiple times "doing the best thing for Donovan." When asked if he received a better offer for McNabb than what the redskins offered, he sidestepped the question awkwardly. I have a feeling that Oakland or Buffalo had a better deal on teh table.

If this is true then he royally ####ed up. any other other coach would be out a job

I would be very disappointed if they gave up a better offer to appease McNabb. Love McNabb but the first loyalty is to the team.

Stop with all this nonsense, they kicked Brian Dawkins, arguably the best Eagle ever to the curb to save a couple million dollars. They don't give a rats ### about the player, just what's best for the team.

 

[Jeremy]

I think the whole "can't believe he traded him in division" thing is a bit overblown in this case. They didn't trade him to the Cowboys or Giants. They traded him to the Redskins. It's not comparable to if the Packers had traded Favre to the Vikings. It's closer to if they had traded him to the Lions (ok, slight exageration). The Redskins are a distant 4th in that division. The Eagles should feel confident they can still take care of the Redskins even with the upgrade at QB.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I don't get why both Philly and Washington fans are so pissed off about this trade. I think it makes sense. A high 2nd is about what Donovan is worth (maybe a mid-low 2nd would be better). Philly gets rid of the guy who they think isn't "the guy" and gets some very good compensation. Did Philly fans think he was worth more than a 2nd? Washington gets a top 12 QB without giving up a #1. Would Washington fans rather have Campbell starting instead of McNabb? Seems like a pretty good upgrade to me. Sure, he's not going to last another 5 years, but he'll give you three good ones while you find the QB of the future.The whole business about trading him to a division rival, honestly, I don't see it as being a big deal. I'd trade Cribbs to the Steelers in a heartbeat if I thought we'd get adequate compensation.

When both sides' fans are both complaining and some (usually a minority) are for it, that usually means that it was a win-win.McNabb was worth a 2nd, and the Eagles got that and another pick.Washington got a better QB and a recognizable name to build around for 2010 and possibly beyond as Shanny rebuilds a team desperately in need to do just that.

 

[Novice2]

We'll see

 

[Adebisi]

NOBODY makes this trade if the player isn't willing to extend.

Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st ring a bell?

 

[Dexter Manley]

I don't get why both Philly and Washington fans are so pissed off about this trade. I think it makes sense. A high 2nd is about what Donovan is worth (maybe a mid-low 2nd would be better). Philly gets rid of the guy who they think isn't "the guy" and gets some very good compensation. Did Philly fans think he was worth more than a 2nd? Washington gets a top 12 QB without giving up a #1. Would Washington fans rather have Campbell starting instead of McNabb? Seems like a pretty good upgrade to me. Sure, he's not going to last another 5 years, but he'll give you three good ones while you find the QB of the future.The whole business about trading him to a division rival, honestly, I don't see it as being a big deal. I'd trade Cribbs to the Steelers in a heartbeat if I thought we'd get adequate compensation.

When both sides' fans are both complaining and some (usually a minority) are for it, that usually means that it was a win-win.McNabb was worth a 2nd, and the Eagles got that and another pick.Washington got a better QB and a recognizable name to build around for 2010 and possibly beyond as Shanny rebuilds a team desperately in need to do just that.

I concur. I think that Philly got the most they could for McNabb -- they weren't going to get a higher pick than the Skins 2.05. (And they get a pick next year too.)The Redskins got the biggest qb upgrade possible, and still have their 1st to take Okung or trade down. Fantastic deal for them.

 

[renesauz]

NOBODY makes this trade if the player isn't willing to extend.

Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st ring a bell?

True enough...ONLY the Raiders trade significant resources for one year rentals. (I thought we were discussing real teams anyway)

 

[LHUCKS]

I don't get why both Philly and Washington fans are so pissed off about this trade. I think it makes sense. A high 2nd is about what Donovan is worth (maybe a mid-low 2nd would be better). Philly gets rid of the guy who they think isn't "the guy" and gets some very good compensation. Did Philly fans think he was worth more than a 2nd? Washington gets a top 12 QB without giving up a #1. Would Washington fans rather have Campbell starting instead of McNabb? Seems like a pretty good upgrade to me. Sure, he's not going to last another 5 years, but he'll give you three good ones while you find the QB of the future.The whole business about trading him to a division rival, honestly, I don't see it as being a big deal. I'd trade Cribbs to the Steelers in a heartbeat if I thought we'd get adequate compensation.

When both sides' fans are both complaining and some (usually a minority) are for it, that usually means that it was a win-win.McNabb was worth a 2nd, and the Eagles got that and another pick.Washington got a better QB and a recognizable name to build around for 2010 and possibly beyond as Shanny rebuilds a team desperately in need to do just that.

 

[Txns8]

Great move by the Eagles. I love how the Eagles operate. Trading an asset while you can he still has value and getting a high 2nd plus a 3rd/4th next year is how you stay on top for the long haul.

You stay on top with an elite QB. Now they don't have that. Good luck "staying" on top. They had ONE division title in the almost 20 year period prior to drafting McNabb. With him they won 5 and were 2nd 3 other times. Welcome back to the scrap heap.

 

[Amused to Death]

Great move by the Eagles. I love how the Eagles operate. Trading an asset while you can he still has value and getting a high 2nd plus a 3rd/4th next year is how you stay on top for the long haul.

You stay on top with an elite QB. Now they don't have that. Good luck "staying" on top. They had ONE division title in the almost 20 year period prior to drafting McNabb. With him they won 5 and were 2nd 3 other times. Welcome back to the scrap heap.

They didn't have an elite QB this morning.

 

[fatness]

Just got off the phone, this is the intel I'm getting on this situation.

 

[zanti8]

philly vs washington sure would be an awsome sunday or monday night opener now !

 

[Bob Magaw]

clausen's value going south...

if SEA, BUF and JAX pass, the free fall officially begins...

SEA would actually have another chance at #14... not a lot of teams need a QB in 1st round after that... could be a team that trades up from 2nd to take him?

 

[Sammy Traveller]

philly vs washington sure would be an awsome sunday or monday night opener now !

the fights between the eagles fans and skins fans in the stands just got more interesting.

 

[Adebisi]

Just got off the phone, this is the intel I'm getting on this situation.

Whoever's posting under this alias has completely destroyed it. It's gone from best ever to downright putrid.

 

[gianmarco]

Are Philly fans gonna cheer him or boo him in his 1st game back to Philly this year?

 

[LHUCKS]

clausen's value going south...if SEA, BUF and JAX pass, the free fall officially begins...

Can't wait to hear the Kiper spin.BTW, I like Kiper, just think he's been way off on Clausen from the beginning.

 

[cobalt_27]

Just got off the phone, this is the intel I'm getting on this situation.

Whoever's posting under this alias has completely destroyed it. It's gone from best ever to downright putrid.

Once a Jaguar, now just a Ford.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Are Philly fans gonna cheer him or boo him in his 1st game back to Philly this year?

Good question.....I would guess a mixture of both. I think most intelligent fans will realize he was traded, and there wasn't anything he could have done about it. However, you'll still have some people who aren't happy with their own lives so they'll boo the guy who won so many games for them just because they can.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

NOBODY makes this trade if the player isn't willing to extend.

Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st ring a bell?

ok maybe day sweats Al Davis makes this trade but nobody else haha

 

[GroveDiesel]

The bottom line on this is that if Kolb is the real deal, then the Eagles did a great job and come off smelling lime roses. If Kolb isn't the real deal, then they just royally screwed up. That's the bottom line on this one. The QB position is by far the most important one in the NFL. Good QBs are hard to find. McNabb has his faults, but he's still a darn good QB. If Kolb is a downgrade at the position, then the Eagles are the loser in the deal IMO.

 

[cstu]

NOBODY makes this trade if the player isn't willing to extend.

Seymour to the Raiders for a 1st ring a bell?

True enough...ONLY the Raiders trade significant resources for one year rentals. (I thought we were discussing real teams anyway)

Considering they had no one else worth franchising it's really a two year rental.

 

[Sweet Love]

See north/west Europe for the answer.

I rely on you for this type thing, I'm pretty lazy and uninformed on some things. Cliff notes version?

good article on DenmarkShort answer is that many of them are museums or privately owned. The churches that are open in the Netherlands, Denmark and Germany among other places, are empty.

ETA: One more

Europe is pretty much screwed if they keep going in their current direction. They are losing their religion, they don't have kids, and have to import foreigners to have enough young working-age people. Won't be too long before its a completely different civilization.

Leave it to Snyder to make the announcement on MLB's opening night. Can't help but want to be the center of attention.

Tonight is Easter night, the second to last day of Pesach, and one omy my daughter's friends B-day...somewhere in there is the importance of opening day for MLB...possibly at the end.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Great move by the Eagles. I love how the Eagles operate. Trading an asset while you can he still has value and getting a high 2nd plus a 3rd/4th next year is how you stay on top for the long haul.

You stay on top with an elite QB. Now they don't have that. Good luck "staying" on top. They had ONE division title in the almost 20 year period prior to drafting McNabb. With him they won 5 and were 2nd 3 other times. Welcome back to the scrap heap.

wait wait wait... they didn't have an ELITE QB before the trade either!! What makes McNabb elite? He's a choke artist in the playoffs.... he's proven it over and over and over again. He just can't get them over the mountain and that's that. Good QB but NOT elite. Gaudy stats in a pass happy offense don't make you elite unless you can get it done at least once with ALL the opportunities you had. It's not like he didn't have a defense year in and year out that was good enough to win at least one championship. Doesn't mean he's not a good maybe even great QB but certainly NOT elite!!

Some QBs who might be better QBs than Donovan may never get the same amount of chances that he's gotten to reach the summit. Drew Brees for instance never really had a defense before last season that gave him a chance to win it all but that doesn't mean he isn't ELITE. You gotta have a good enough team around you to have an opportunity to win it all and then its up to you as a QB for the most part to get it done.

 

[Steelfan7]

Just got off the phone, this is the intel I'm getting on this situation.

Whoever's posting under this alias has completely destroyed it. It's gone from best ever to downright putrid.

Some things on this Earth are sacred and should be left alone and GG is one of those things.

 

[Sweet Love]

Are Philly fans gonna cheer him or boo him in his 1st game back to Philly this year?

Good question.....I would guess a mixture of both. I think most intelligent fans will realize he was traded, and there wasn't anything he could have done about it. However, you'll still have some people who aren't happy with their own lives so they'll boo the guy who won so many games for them just because they can.

Then that would be a resounding "no".

 

[Nagle2998]

The bottom line on this is that if Kolb is the real deal, then the Eagles did a great job and come off smelling lime roses. If Kolb isn't the real deal, then they just royally screwed up. That's the bottom line on this one. The QB position is by far the most important one in the NFL. Good QBs are hard to find. McNabb has his faults, but he's still a darn good QB. If Kolb is a downgrade at the position, then the Eagles are the loser in the deal IMO.

This is exactly right if Kolb is a bust it then this trade was a huge step down for the Eagles if Kolb is even a good Qb I think it was a good move for them. Just like if the Skins don't resign McNabb it was horrible for them but I was one of the few who thought Campbell was a good enough QB and would win now that he has a good offensive coach and GM.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

The bottom line on this is that if Kolb is the real deal, then the Eagles did a great job and come off smelling lime roses. If Kolb isn't the real deal, then they just royally screwed up. That's the bottom line on this one. The QB position is by far the most important one in the NFL. Good QBs are hard to find. McNabb has his faults, but he's still a darn good QB. If Kolb is a downgrade at the position, then the Eagles are the loser in the deal IMO.

This is exactly right if Kolb is a bust it then this trade was a huge step down for the Eagles if Kolb is even a good Qb I think it was a good move for them. Just like if the Skins don't resign McNabb it was horrible for them but I was one of the few who thought Campbell was a good enough QB and would win now that he has a good offensive coach and GM.

the Eagles have tons of picks now. I'll bet you the Eagles are in the running for a QB in the 2nd-4th rounds and hedge their bets should Kolb bust.

 

[None_More_Black]

Reid mentioned multiple times "doing the best thing for Donovan." When asked if he received a better offer for McNabb than what the redskins offered, he sidestepped the question awkwardly. I have a feeling that Oakland or Buffalo had a better deal on teh table.

If this is true then he royally ####ed up. any other other coach would be out a job

I would be very disappointed if they gave up a better offer to appease McNabb. Love McNabb but the first loyalty is to the team.

Stop with all this nonsense, they kicked Brian Dawkins, arguably the best Eagle ever to the curb to save a couple million dollars. They don't give a rats ### about the player, just what's best for the team.

Agree, they didn't even think Dawkins was serious when he told them about the Bronco's offer. And is Washington really a better team then Buffalo or the Raiders? They made the deal because Washington offered the most compensation. End of story.

 

[delusional]

This sure was one way for the eagles FO to cover up asante calling out the entire organization out

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Are Philly fans gonna cheer him or boo him in his 1st game back to Philly this year?

I'm going to cheer but as soon as the coin is flipped that's all over....he has a different jersey on now.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This sure was one way for the eagles FO to cover up asante calling out the entire organization out

He said nothing wrong. We didn't win the SB and it's evident everyone needs to do better. Everyone he said that about would agree with what he said.

 

[scratcher]

It's been reported that Oakland and Buffalo had deals on the table but Reid wanted to send McNabb somewhere he wanted to go because he felt he owed it to him.

That's pretty cool of the Eagles/Reid.

Just got off the phone, this is the intel I'm getting on this situation. 1) The Iggles ownership has had some discontent since the Phillies won the World Series recently and the Iggles have gooseeggs in terms of rings. Remember owing a pro sports franchise is a vanity/status issue for many of these owners/families, most to all do not use these franchises as their main revenue source. Reid, to some degree, has fallen out of favor with the ownership. Part of the reason the NY Giants have been so desperate is their ownership is miffed the Yankees are winning rings again and they are not. Never underestimate the power of an owner's ego ( or hubris) 2) There was a power struggle with Andy Reid and the rest of the FO. Keeping McNabb or trading him was just as much about value as "Reid no longer has real power over personnel" or "Reid still has the ear of the owner" Reid did not want to trade McNabb, but the owner was firm about it. To oppose the trade would make it look like Reid "lost" the argument when McNabb finally was shipped out. This would weaken his overall power in the organization. To endorse it publicly, which he did, which is rare for Reid, made it appear he wanted McNabb to be traded, thus removing the potential to "lose" the argument over the trade. He made it sound like his idea. Ownership and the rest of the FO was ok with this as if this trade blows up in the Iggles faces, it's Reid who has to fall on his sword. If it works out, Reid will get credit, but he gets most of the credit for the Iggles success anyway. 3) Buffalo and Oakland's interest was, for the most part, planted by the Iggles to draw out suitors for McNabb. Buffalo and Oakland had cursory interest, as per due diligence, to either see how cheap they could get McNabb or to drive up the price for other interested teams. 4) McNabb wanted to pick his new franchise, to some degree, out of the actual suitors, if he was sent to an NFL wasteland, he simply would have retired. The move would have killed the reputation of the Iggles FO and Reid. Reid agreed to send him to a division foe as long as it was clear the media spin would come off as Reid wanted to do right by McNabb ( hence publicly reinforcing Reid's power or perception of it in the organization and to the public) and not that Washington was the only legitimate offer on the table. Everyone got what they wanted. Ownership got rid of McNabb and fallout of this trade, if any, will go to Reid. Reid assures the perception of his power/authority in the franchise. McNabb goes to a solid head coach and a team that might be a contender quickly. Kolb gets to start. Philly fans are sated that the Eagles have "done something" ( aka the Jason "Running In Place But Getting Nowhere Towards A Destination Is OK If People At Least See You Sweating" Wood Theory Of Armchair GMing)

Is this shtick? Because Jason Cole on Yahoo pretty much reiterated what this guy said.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Some other examples of guys who were very good QBs for some years with their original teams, and then left in their 30s for a new team:

Joe Montana (37) with the Chiefs

Warren Moon (38) with the Vikings

Norm Van Brocklin (32) with the Eagles

Randall Cunningham (34) with the Vikings

Boomer Esiason (32) with the Jets

Drew Bledsoe (30) with the Bills

Steve McNair (33) with the Ravens

Dave Krieg (34) with the Chiefs

Roman Gabriel (33) with the Eagles

Ken Stabler (35) with the Oilers

Joe Namath (34) with the Rams

Jeff Garcia (34) with the Browns

Jim Everett (31) with the Saints

Bert Jones (31) with the Rams

Joe Ferguson (35) with the Lions

For Redskins fans, there are enough hits on there to like your chances, but at 34 years of age, there are no sure things; and the bad experiments on the above list are a good example of that. (And that's excuding Johnny U at age 40 with the Chargers)

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I don't get why both Philly and Washington fans are so pissed off about this trade. I think it makes sense. A high 2nd is about what Donovan is worth (maybe a mid-low 2nd would be better). Philly gets rid of the guy who they think isn't "the guy" and gets some very good compensation. Did Philly fans think he was worth more than a 2nd? Washington gets a top 12 QB without giving up a #1. Would Washington fans rather have Campbell starting instead of McNabb? Seems like a pretty good upgrade to me. Sure, he's not going to last another 5 years, but he'll give you three good ones while you find the QB of the future.The whole business about trading him to a division rival, honestly, I don't see it as being a big deal. I'd trade Cribbs to the Steelers in a heartbeat if I thought we'd get adequate compensation.

But some of us like it. McNabb doesn't make the Skins a playoff caliber team, let alone a championship caliber one. Philly got as much out of McNabb as there was to be gotten from anyone, and is loaded with valuable draft picks in this talent filled draft.This Eagles fan is

I'd say this kind of trade is why washington is oakland east.I understand javon walker is available.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Philly cutting out the heart and soul of their team and shipping him to Washington for 2.05 and 3/4 next year.

Incredible!

 

[Amused to Death]

Philly cutting out the heart and soul of their team and shipping him to Washington for 2.05 and 3/4 next year.Incredible!

Some would say they cut it out when they let Dawkins and Westbrook walk. Seriously, its a sad day for Eagles fans but exciting at the same time. Appreciate all McNabb has done but he's not the same QB as he was in '04.Wish him all the luck in Washington for 14 of 16 weeks in 2010.

 

[zDragon]

When Favre retires Vikings fans will be pissed.

Or we'll just respect the Eagles for having more balls to treat their aging QB with respect than the Pack did by respecting his wishes, even when that meant trading him to a division rival.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Funniest thing about this trade is that most giant, cowboy, and redskin fans were ecstatic about having McNabb shipped out of the division.

 

[delusional]

This sure was one way for the eagles FO to cover up asante calling out the entire organization out

He said nothing wrong. We didn't win the SB and it's evident everyone needs to do better. Everyone he said that about would agree with what he said.

Id say something was behind it. He hardly ever talks to the media. Then he came out and said what he said after reid put the spotlight on him