Mel Kiper draft notes (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

I will try to update this each week, since Mel Kiper joins Mike & Mike on ESPN each Friday.

January 2nd, 2009

QBs- thought Stafford would be #1 draft pick as a HS senior, struggled 1st half of bowl game, reminds Kiper of Bert Jones from LSU, has big arm, tough kid, showed why in 2nd half why he should be #1 pick over Sam Bradford.

Bob Stoops- can they be passionate about NFL like they are about college game, red flag went up with Petrino for college coaches

 

[Bobcat10]

So all he talked about was Stafford?

 

[Jason Wood]

Was he talking about Stoops relative to some NFL rumor?

 

[William Munny]

Was he talking about Stoops relative to some NFL rumor?

Yes, Denver

 

[Nemesis]

QBs- thought Stafford would be #1 draft pick as a HS senior, struggled 1st half of bowl game, reminds Kiper of Bert Jones from LSU, has big arm, tough kid, showed why in 2nd half why he should be #1 pick over Sam Bradford.

Was at the Capital One Bowl here in Orlando and able to see Stafford in person. (wife is a UGA grad so I've followed him a little more than the avg fan).Stafford's 1st half was horrible.......so horrible that the UGA fans in attendance were actually BOOING him as the team left the field for halftime. I thought he was "off" and severly out of sync with his mid to long downfield throws. I was complaining that he (and the offensive co-ordinator) should have called more short passes & bubble WR screens to get him reeled back in and on target. Sure enough, in the 2nd half, that's what they did and they were very successful in moving the ball using those types of plays to open up some of the running lanes and longer range passes.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Lions just need to say no to Stafford.

POSITIVES: big arm, frame

NEGATIVES: inconsistent accuracy, not mobile, does not read defenses well and tends to stare down receivers

 

[Bojang0301]

Mark Sanchez looked and has looked a million times better than either Stafford or Bradford each time I have seen him play. Note: I've only seen all of them on a limited basis.

 

[Smeagol]

Mark Sanchez looked and has looked a million times better than either Stafford or Bradford each time I have seen him play. Note: I've only seen all of them on a limited basis.

I think he will end up being the best out of the three. If he declares, he will probably go mid-late first round. He'll benefit by either going to a half decent team or being able to sit for a year or two.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

 

[pantherclub]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

 

[Yitbos69]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

Taken in the 7th or 8th roundedit to add: and drafted by NE

 

[golfguy]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

he plays at USC, so he never gets pressured much (oustanding OLs) and his WRs are like 6'2", 6'5" and 6'4". not going to happen in the nfl. however, i feel he is better then leinart and john david. best since palmer. and i don't like USC at all. i've said that for awhile (about sanchez)

 

[Jason Wood]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

You mean like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan?

 

[Yitbos69]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

You mean like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan?

Jason.....all those guys come from BSC schools.....he was saying Non-BCS schools

 

[Mr Anonymous]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

Taken in the 7th or 8th roundedit to add: and drafted by NE

Perhaps you should edit to add that you're fully aware there is no 8th round in the NFL draft and further go on to clarify that you consider the post-draft signing of undrafted free agents as a quasi 8th round.

 

[SayWhat?]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

You mean like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan?

Jason.....all those guys come from BSC schools.....he was saying Non-BCS schools

I think there may have been a hint of sarcasm in his post.

 

[Yitbos69]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

Taken in the 7th or 8th roundedit to add: and drafted by NE

Perhaps you should edit to add that you're fully aware there is no 8th round in the NFL draft and further go on to clarify that you consider the post-draft signing of undrafted free agents as a quasi 8th round.

What he said!

 

[Yitbos69]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

You mean like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan?

Jason.....all those guys come from BSC schools.....he was saying Non-BCS schools

I think there may have been a hint of sarcasm in his post.

Really........

 

[Jason Wood]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

You mean like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan?

Jason.....all those guys come from BSC schools.....he was saying Non-BCS schools

My point exactly...It's great to get super excited about the small school guy who teams are going to scout and he's going to blow you away; and they certainly exist. I'm sure the Steelers are thrilled they took a chance on a kid from Miami (Ohio), for example. But by and large, the league's elite QBs come from BCS schools.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

Hasn't he had some serious off-field issues?

 

[Smeagol]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

Hasn't he had some serious off-field issues?

From everything I've read, he seems squeaky clean.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

Sanchez makes some gawdawful throws at some very poor times. I would caution against getting too high on him and frankly feel he could use another year in college to sharpen his game. I'm not sure if he's reading things wrong, forcing throws when he shouldn't or what - have a lot of tape to watch still. But even though his INT:TD ratio is good on paoper, at times he seems to make some shaky decisions.A lot of what Golfguy says is right on as well about WR size and the outstanding oline - also looking liek a better prospect than Leinart has been but not up to Palmer status. He needs some seasoning. could happen in the NCAA for another year, could happen in the NFL. If a team takes him, he's a guy I think they should definitely have on the bench for a year or two. I like him and he could emerge as a great NFL QB, but he isn't there yet.

 

[Bojang0301]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

he plays at USC, so he never gets pressured much (oustanding OLs) and his WRs are like 6'2", 6'5" and 6'4". not going to happen in the nfl. however, i feel he is better then leinart and john david. best since palmer. and i don't like USC at all. i've said that for awhile (about sanchez)

Would you agree in saying that Penn State's defense wasn't doing all that much wrong on defense and Sanchez was hitting throws in tight windows. I was seeing the arm strength and accuracy needed to hit NFL sized windows yesterday along with outstanding reads and superior anticipation for play development then I've seen from Bradford or Stafford. You also don't have the worries about him playing in the shotgun (Bradford) or the signs of great inconsistency (Stafford).

 

[jurb26]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

he plays at USC, so he never gets pressured much (oustanding OLs) and his WRs are like 6'2", 6'5" and 6'4". not going to happen in the nfl. however, i feel he is better then leinart and john david. best since palmer. and i don't like USC at all. i've said that for awhile (about sanchez)

Would you agree in saying that Penn State's defense wasn't doing all that much wrong on defense and Sanchez was hitting throws in tight windows. I was seeing the arm strength and accuracy needed to hit NFL sized windows yesterday along with outstanding reads and superior anticipation for play development then I've seen from Bradford or Stafford. You also don't have the worries about him playing in the shotgun (Bradford) or the signs of great inconsistency (Stafford).

I wouldn't agree with that at all. That was the worst PSU's D had played all season. Sure, a lot of that had to do with playing a superior SC team. However that was hardly the entire reason. PSU's DBs played horribly. They made several critical mental errors and were out of position in pass coverage nearly all game. I'd agree that Sanchez made some really nice throws, particularly the one to put them up 24-7. But to say PSU played well and Sanchez just beat them is a far cry form the truth IMO. PSU's secondary was awful yesterday. It's understandable to get beat by simply better athletes (which SC clearly had), but PSU got beat more often because they took the wrong reads and were out of position.

 

[David Yudkin]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

You mean like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan?

Jason.....all those guys come from BSC schools.....he was saying Non-BCS schools

My point exactly...It's great to get super excited about the small school guy who teams are going to scout and he's going to blow you away; and they certainly exist. I'm sure the Steelers are thrilled they took a chance on a kid from Miami (Ohio), for example. But by and large, the league's elite QBs come from BCS schools.

I think there are two issues being discussed here . . . QBs from non-BCS schools and QBs drafted fairly late (say second day picks 4th round or later). While I generally agree that teams are probably better off with QBs from BCS schools and taking them earlier rather than later on draft day, there are currently quite a few QBs that don't fit that profile. There are probably more QBs than many would think:BOTH:Garrard, Carolina (4th)Thigpen, Coastal Carolina (7th)Fitzpatrick, Harvard (7th)Delhomme, Louisianna-Lafayette (Undrafted)Garcia, San Jose State (Undrafted)Romo, Eastern Illinois (Undrafted)Warner, Northern Iowa (Undrafted)NON-BCS:Culpepper, Central Florida (1st)Flacco, Delaware (1st)Leftwich, Marshall (1st)Losman, Tulane (1st)Pennington, Marshall (1st)Roethlisberger, Miami, OH (1st)Favre, Southern Mississippi (2nd)Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama State (2nd)4th ROUND OR LATER:Orton, Purdue (4th)Brunell, Washington (5th)Orlovsky, Connecticut (5th)Brady, Michigan (6th)Bulger, West Virginia (6th)Hasselbeck, Boston College (6th)Cassel, USC (7th)Trent Green, Indiana (8th)Clearly the huge majority of them are not SB winners, but there certainly are a number that have led some solid teams.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

Hasn't he had some serious off-field issues?

From everything I've read, he seems squeaky clean.

Here's what I found from a couple of years ago:The Los Angeles Times is reporting details of events leading to the arrest of USC quarterback Mark Sanchez on suspicion of sexual assault of a female student. At 11:21 p.m. Tuesday, Sanchez, 19, gained entrance into the 901 Club, a bar and restaurant near campus, using a fake Arizona ID that showed his name as Jordan Traver Uttal, according to an employee at the club who asked not to be identified by name. The employee told the paper that Sanchez "was stoned-faced sober when he came in." At 12:59 a.m. Wednesday, club security cameras showed Sanchez leaving the establishment. At 1:30 a.m., USC students Matthew Menjou and Altman Tsang were returning to their apartment when the car they were in ran out of gas. As they were pushing the vehicle into a parking space, Sanchez showed up and offered to help. Menjou, who said he recognized Sanchez and called him "the next Matt Leinart," said the quarterback was loud and appeared as if he had been drinking. Police said the alleged assault occurred in the early morning and did not give a location. At 4 p.m., Sanchez was arrested at the Cardinal Gardens apartment complex (video link). He was booked and bail was set at $200,000. You can view details of the quarterback's booking by going to this link and entering Sanchez's first and last name. University officials said that Sanchez would be put on "interim suspension" while the case was pending. The L. A. Daily News, which reported that campus security detained Sanchez in March after he allegedly broke a window at a fraternity party but did not make any arrests, said the quarterback attended a workshop Tuesday night at Heritage Hall for athletes on rape awareness. The Daily Trojan reported that this is the third time in three years that the LAPD has investigated a Trojan player for alleged sexual assault at Cardinal Gardens. And the student paper reported in 2005 that the 901 Club was cited by the LAPD for accepting fake IDs. The Reggie Bush story was advanced when the former Trojan acknowledged knowing Michael Michaels, the aspiring San Diego marketer who tried to sign the tailback as a client. But Bush declined to offer any details about his parents' living arrangements that sparked an NCAA investigation.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I guess he wasn't charged, though. I found this too:

No criminal charges will be filed against USC quarterback Mark Sanchez after the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office determined Friday there was not sufficient evidence against him.

Sanchez was arrested April26 after a female USC student accused him of sexually assaulting her in his apartment across the street from campus. He was free on $200,000 bail but was placed on interim suspension from the university during the investigation by police and prosecutors.

"From the outset of this investigation, I've been confident that the facts would come to light and that investigators would confirm that I was innocent of the allegation against me," the Mission Viejo High graduate said in a statement released by USC.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Here's what I found from a couple of years ago:The Los Angeles Times is reporting details of events leading to the arrest of USC quarterback Mark Sanchez on suspicion of sexual assault of a female student. At 11:21 p.m. Tuesday, Sanchez, 19, gained entrance into the 901 Club, a bar and restaurant near campus, using a fake Arizona ID that showed his name as Jordan Traver Uttal, according to an employee at the club who asked not to be identified by name. The employee told the paper that Sanchez "was stoned-faced sober when he came in." At 12:59 a.m. Wednesday, club security cameras showed Sanchez leaving the establishment. At 1:30 a.m., USC students Matthew Menjou and Altman Tsang were returning to their apartment when the car they were in ran out of gas. As they were pushing the vehicle into a parking space, Sanchez showed up and offered to help. Menjou, who said he recognized Sanchez and called him "the next Matt Leinart," said the quarterback was loud and appeared as if he had been drinking. Police said the alleged assault occurred in the early morning and did not give a location.

Either that report is missing a lot of details or apparently we're supposed to believe that Sanchez sexually assaulted two dudes named Matt and Altman whom Sanchez took advantage of when he found them stranded and out of gas.

 

[The Ref]

Next year - Max Hall.

 

[Irish]

Next year - Max Hall.

Colt McCoy also.

 

[jeter23]

January 9, 2009

* Kiper picks the NFL playoff games (Tenn, Car, Phi, Pitt if anyone cares)

* Discusses the BCS title game-

If Tebow comes out, what round? Probably round 3 or 4 as a H Back. Comparisons to Steve Young are crazy. Everything we saw last night shows he will need a position change.

* Best pro potential from last night-

Jerald McCoy

Duke Robinson

Bradford was okay, not great when pressured

Iglesias- strong hands

 

[Wadsworth]

January 9, 2009

* Best pro potential from last night-

Duke Robinson

I'm not going to pretend that I've been following Duke with more than casual interest, but nothing I saw in the title game excites me about his pro potential. He made both mental and physical errors and seemed to wilt under the bright lights of the championship game. None of that translates well to the next level.

 

[BeTheMatch]

January 9, 2009

* Kiper picks the NFL playoff games (Tenn, Car, Phi, Pitt if anyone cares)

* Discusses the BCS title game-

If Tebow comes out, what round? Probably round 3 or 4 as a H Back. Comparisons to Steve Young are crazy. Everything we saw last night shows he will need a position change.

* Best pro potential from last night-

Jerald McCoy

Duke Robinson

Bradford was okay, not great when pressured

Iglesias- strong hands

This has been my fear with Bradford. He's put up great numbers, but he just gets to stand back there forever and pick defenses apart without ever getting touched. And while he is athletic, there's something about him that just seems stiff and rigid. Not fluid at all. He definitely has a live arm, but for some reason, he just doesn't pass the eyeball test with me.

 

[kremenull]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

If you're looking for a potential negative with Sanchez.........system QB could be one of them.See Leinart, Booty, Brennan, and just about every BYU QB in history.......Sanchez is no Palmer but he might be decent in the pros, just nothing special, IMO. Aside from Colt McCoy, I'm not all that enamored with any of these QBs in college right now......other than Terrell Pryor

 

[kremenull]

January 9, 2009

* Kiper picks the NFL playoff games (Tenn, Car, Phi, Pitt if anyone cares)

* Discusses the BCS title game-

If Tebow comes out, what round? Probably round 3 or 4 as a H Back. Comparisons to Steve Young are crazy. Everything we saw last night shows he will need a position change.

* Best pro potential from last night-

Jerald McCoy

Duke Robinson

Bradford was okay, not great when pressured

Iglesias- strong hands

Well, I did see Iglesias drop 2 critical passes in a bit of traffic, one actually was intercepted by the defender who appeared to want the ball more than Iglesias. They were very catchable balls and if he comes down with these balls, the momentum definitely swings in OU's favor. In a game of this magnitude a big-time player has to make these plays. Sure, he's had a very good season, but he appeared to choke in the limelight. And critical NFL games, not even talking about playoff games, are much more intense/faster/physical than any college game.I think Gresham improved his stock and was the go-to-guy all night for the Sooners.....looks like a prototype H-Back type that is resurfacing nowadays in the league

 

[Sheriff66]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

If you're looking for a potential negative with Sanchez.........system QB could be one of them.See Leinart, Booty, Brennan, and just about every BYU QB in history.......Sanchez is no Palmer but he might be decent in the pros, just nothing special, IMO. Aside from Colt McCoy, I'm not all that enamored with any of these QBs in college right now......other than Terrell Pryor

You shouldn't be in love with him either, he will be a another Vick or VY, can't read defenses and not very accurate.

 

[MAC_32]

January 9, 2009

* Kiper picks the NFL playoff games (Tenn, Car, Phi, Pitt if anyone cares)

* Discusses the BCS title game-

If Tebow comes out, what round? Probably round 3 or 4 as a H Back. Comparisons to Steve Young are crazy. Everything we saw last night shows he will need a position change.

* Best pro potential from last night-

Jerald McCoy

Duke Robinson

Bradford was okay, not great when pressured

Iglesias- strong hands

Well, I did see Iglesias drop 2 critical passes in a bit of traffic, one actually was intercepted by the defender who appeared to want the ball more than Iglesias. They were very catchable balls and if he comes down with these balls, the momentum definitely swings in OU's favor. In a game of this magnitude a big-time player has to make these plays. Sure, he's had a very good season, but he appeared to choke in the limelight. And critical NFL games, not even talking about playoff games, are much more intense/faster/physical than any college game.I think Gresham improved his stock and was the go-to-guy all night for the Sooners.....looks like a prototype H-Back type that is resurfacing nowadays in the league

Not the first time I've seen issues with Iglesias' hands either.

I'm in the Oklahoma's offensive line is over rated camp, as far as pro potential is concerned anyway. They can handle college players, I think they'll have problems with pro talent.

Correct to assume he was only discussing Oklahoma players and not Florida players?

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

If you're looking for a potential negative with Sanchez.........system QB could be one of them.See Leinart, Booty, Brennan, and just about every BYU QB in history.......Sanchez is no Palmer but he might be decent in the pros, just nothing special, IMO. Aside from Colt McCoy, I'm not all that enamored with any of these QBs in college right now......other than Terrell Pryor

Define "system QB" for me? That the QB perfected an offensive system? Isn't that what people would want? Doesn't every offense have a system?

 

[jurb26]

January 9, 2009

* Kiper picks the NFL playoff games (Tenn, Car, Phi, Pitt if anyone cares)

* Discusses the BCS title game-

If Tebow comes out, what round? Probably round 3 or 4 as a H Back. Comparisons to Steve Young are crazy. Everything we saw last night shows he will need a position change.

* Best pro potential from last night-

Jerald McCoy

Duke Robinson

Bradford was okay, not great when pressured

Iglesias- strong hands

Well, I did see Iglesias drop 2 critical passes in a bit of traffic, one actually was intercepted by the defender who appeared to want the ball more than Iglesias. They were very catchable balls and if he comes down with these balls, the momentum definitely swings in OU's favor. In a game of this magnitude a big-time player has to make these plays. Sure, he's had a very good season, but he appeared to choke in the limelight. And critical NFL games, not even talking about playoff games, are much more intense/faster/physical than any college game.I think Gresham improved his stock and was the go-to-guy all night for the Sooners.....looks like a prototype H-Back type that is resurfacing nowadays in the league

Not the first time I've seen issues with Iglesias' hands either.

I'm in the Oklahoma's offensive line is over rated camp, as far as pro potential is concerned anyway. They can handle college players, I think they'll have problems with pro talent.

Correct to assume he was only discussing Oklahoma players and not Florida players?

I don't know that I would try to place the blame for that INT on Iglesias. Bradfrod threw it into triple coverage.The thing that was clear to me last night is that Gresham is the best TE prospect in this draft and also is the best prospect on the OU offense. I've felt Gresham was the best TE all year, but wasn't sure if I would rank Robinson ahead of him or not. I still think Robinson will be the 2nd best prospect from the OU offense.

 

[MAC_32]

January 9, 2009

* Kiper picks the NFL playoff games (Tenn, Car, Phi, Pitt if anyone cares)

* Discusses the BCS title game-

If Tebow comes out, what round? Probably round 3 or 4 as a H Back. Comparisons to Steve Young are crazy. Everything we saw last night shows he will need a position change.

* Best pro potential from last night-

Jerald McCoy

Duke Robinson

Bradford was okay, not great when pressured

Iglesias- strong hands

Well, I did see Iglesias drop 2 critical passes in a bit of traffic, one actually was intercepted by the defender who appeared to want the ball more than Iglesias. They were very catchable balls and if he comes down with these balls, the momentum definitely swings in OU's favor. In a game of this magnitude a big-time player has to make these plays. Sure, he's had a very good season, but he appeared to choke in the limelight. And critical NFL games, not even talking about playoff games, are much more intense/faster/physical than any college game.I think Gresham improved his stock and was the go-to-guy all night for the Sooners.....looks like a prototype H-Back type that is resurfacing nowadays in the league

Not the first time I've seen issues with Iglesias' hands either.

I'm in the Oklahoma's offensive line is over rated camp, as far as pro potential is concerned anyway. They can handle college players, I think they'll have problems with pro talent.

Correct to assume he was only discussing Oklahoma players and not Florida players?

I don't know that I would try to place the blame for that INT on Iglesias. Bradfrod threw it into triple coverage.The thing that was clear to me last night is that Gresham is the best TE prospect in this draft and also is the best prospect on the OU offense. I've felt Gresham was the best TE all year, but wasn't sure if I would rank Robinson ahead of him or not. I still think Robinson will be the 2nd best prospect from the OU offense.

Your Bradford hater goggles are getting ridiculous. That was a perfect throw from Bradford. Perfect. I admit, he did look a bit rattled at times when pressured, he did step up and make some tough throws under pressure but not enough in my eyes. Still, that play was 100% on Iglesias.

 

[jurb26]

January 9, 2009

* Kiper picks the NFL playoff games (Tenn, Car, Phi, Pitt if anyone cares)

* Discusses the BCS title game-

If Tebow comes out, what round? Probably round 3 or 4 as a H Back. Comparisons to Steve Young are crazy. Everything we saw last night shows he will need a position change.

* Best pro potential from last night-

Jerald McCoy

Duke Robinson

Bradford was okay, not great when pressured

Iglesias- strong hands

Well, I did see Iglesias drop 2 critical passes in a bit of traffic, one actually was intercepted by the defender who appeared to want the ball more than Iglesias. They were very catchable balls and if he comes down with these balls, the momentum definitely swings in OU's favor. In a game of this magnitude a big-time player has to make these plays. Sure, he's had a very good season, but he appeared to choke in the limelight. And critical NFL games, not even talking about playoff games, are much more intense/faster/physical than any college game.I think Gresham improved his stock and was the go-to-guy all night for the Sooners.....looks like a prototype H-Back type that is resurfacing nowadays in the league

Not the first time I've seen issues with Iglesias' hands either.

I'm in the Oklahoma's offensive line is over rated camp, as far as pro potential is concerned anyway. They can handle college players, I think they'll have problems with pro talent.

Correct to assume he was only discussing Oklahoma players and not Florida players?

I don't know that I would try to place the blame for that INT on Iglesias. Bradfrod threw it into triple coverage.The thing that was clear to me last night is that Gresham is the best TE prospect in this draft and also is the best prospect on the OU offense. I've felt Gresham was the best TE all year, but wasn't sure if I would rank Robinson ahead of him or not. I still think Robinson will be the 2nd best prospect from the OU offense.

Your Bradford hater goggles are getting ridiculous. That was a perfect throw from Bradford. Perfect. I admit, he did look a bit rattled at times when pressured, he did step up and make some tough throws under pressure but not enough in my eyes. Still, that play was 100% on Iglesias.

So, disagreeing with you makes me a hater? Bradford is the #2 QB on my board. He locked onto his #1 read on that play and threw it into traffic while the #2 read was in a far better position to make the catch. You can say Iglesias dropped it all you want, the pass shouldn't have been thrown there. I think you're the one wearing goggles.

 

[stevegamer]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

If you're looking for a potential negative with Sanchez.........system QB could be one of them.See Leinart, Booty, Brennan, and just about every BYU QB in history.......Sanchez is no Palmer but he might be decent in the pros, just nothing special, IMO. Aside from Colt McCoy, I'm not all that enamored with any of these QBs in college right now......other than Terrell Pryor

Define "system QB" for me? That the QB perfected an offensive system? Isn't that what people would want? Doesn't every offense have a system?

A "System QB" is a guy who shines in a system and his success is not expected or does not translate to the NFL due to the lack of a similar system played at that level. System QB's can be found in a number of offenses, generally they are Option Offenses, Shotgun Offenses, & Spread Offenses.There are often exceptions to the "rules" about what teams havesystem QB's - some can transcend it. BYU, for example has Steve Young & Jim McMahon - it's a leap from a Mormon school in Utah to being a bandana & shades wearing Super Bowl Shuffler. None of these have had much recent success at the NFL level as a sole offensive philosphy. QB's in these offenses often do not work on ball fakes for play action passes, and my spend so little time under center that dropback mechanics & reading defenses at the line are issues.

 

[jurb26]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

If you're looking for a potential negative with Sanchez.........system QB could be one of them.See Leinart, Booty, Brennan, and just about every BYU QB in history.......Sanchez is no Palmer but he might be decent in the pros, just nothing special, IMO. Aside from Colt McCoy, I'm not all that enamored with any of these QBs in college right now......other than Terrell Pryor

Define "system QB" for me? That the QB perfected an offensive system? Isn't that what people would want? Doesn't every offense have a system?

A "System QB" is a guy who shines in a system and his success is not expected or does not translate to the NFL due to the lack of a similar system played at that level. System QB's can be found in a number of offenses, generally they are Option Offenses, Shotgun Offenses, & Spread Offenses.None of these have had much recent success at the NFL level as a sole offensive philosphy. QB's in these offenses often do not work on ball fakes for play action passes, and my spend so little time under center that dropback mechanics & reading defenses at the line are issues.

A system QB can also be a guy who simply plays with such elite supporting cast that the players around him account for a majority of his college success. See Mia 2001 and Ken Dorsey

 

[DeCleater]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

If you're looking for a potential negative with Sanchez.........system QB could be one of them.See Leinart, Booty, Brennan, and just about every BYU QB in history.......Sanchez is no Palmer but he might be decent in the pros, just nothing special, IMO. Aside from Colt McCoy, I'm not all that enamored with any of these QBs in college right now......other than Terrell Pryor

Terrell Pryor will be a great NFL player...@WR

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

I agree with all on Sanchez, he seems mobile and makes insanely accurate throws. So what is the supposed knock on him?

If you're looking for a potential negative with Sanchez.........system QB could be one of them.See Leinart, Booty, Brennan, and just about every BYU QB in history.......Sanchez is no Palmer but he might be decent in the pros, just nothing special, IMO. Aside from Colt McCoy, I'm not all that enamored with any of these QBs in college right now......other than Terrell Pryor

Define "system QB" for me? That the QB perfected an offensive system? Isn't that what people would want? Doesn't every offense have a system?

A "System QB" is a guy who shines in a system and his success is not expected or does not translate to the NFL due to the lack of a similar system played at that level. System QB's can be found in a number of offenses, generally they are Option Offenses, Shotgun Offenses, & Spread Offenses.There are often exceptions to the "rules" about what teams havesystem QB's - some can transcend it. BYU, for example has Steve Young & Jim McMahon - it's a leap from a Mormon school in Utah to being a bandana & shades wearing Super Bowl Shuffler. None of these have had much recent success at the NFL level as a sole offensive philosphy. QB's in these offenses often do not work on ball fakes for play action passes, and my spend so little time under center that dropback mechanics & reading defenses at the line are issues.

I can live with that definition and very well thought out, I appreciate posts like this. BYU was a different case IMO...they ran the same 10-15 pass plays...just out of many different formations. The Ultimate system QB was the University of Houston with Andre Ware back in the day. It was an offense that nobody knew much about and didn't know how to stop.Now I will disagree with you, that Shotgun/Spread offenses are becoming more and more regular in the NFL.However, droping back from under center vs from shotgun and reading D's is a huge change in mechanics IMO. But look at Joe Flacco and his success this past season. Spread offense in delaware....power offense in Baltimore.My point...was that people tend to throw that term out their without knowing exactly what it means. I believe that "system qb's" lack arm strength and other abilities(you noted play fakes...reading D's from under center and dropping back) to succeed in the NFL. That is more of the issue than the system they had in college and the success they had within it.

 

[Loopdog]

I don't see how you could blame either INT on Bradford at all. I agree that he looked a little bit shaky when pressured, but what QB doesn't really? That first TD pass he threw to the TE in the red zone was under a lot of pressure and he made a great play. It was my first time actually watching him play and overall I'd say I was impressed, but I do think he would benefit from playing another year of college football. He DOES need to learn to look at his second and third reads and not try to force throws, because in the NFL those are INT's and I didn't see ELITE arm strength like with Stafford, where he would be able to squeeze them in there. I think he needs to get a little bigger and stronger, he looks on the thinner side to me for an NFL QB. He threw a pretty decent ball though, and has some pretty good touch that i saw. I wouldn't draft him #1 overall, especially over Matt Stafford, but I like his pro prospects. I really hate to see QB's come into the NFL out of spread offenses in college though. Sets them back a while IMHO.

 

[bcr8f]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

Like who in recent history? Romo VS Aaron Rodgers? Both sat several years.

 

[jeter23]

January 9, 2009

* Kiper picks the NFL playoff games (Tenn, Car, Phi, Pitt if anyone cares)

* Discusses the BCS title game-

If Tebow comes out, what round? Probably round 3 or 4 as a H Back. Comparisons to Steve Young are crazy. Everything we saw last night shows he will need a position change.

* Best pro potential from last night-

Jerald McCoy

Duke Robinson

Bradford was okay, not great when pressured

Iglesias- strong hands

Well, I did see Iglesias drop 2 critical passes in a bit of traffic, one actually was intercepted by the defender who appeared to want the ball more than Iglesias. They were very catchable balls and if he comes down with these balls, the momentum definitely swings in OU's favor. In a game of this magnitude a big-time player has to make these plays. Sure, he's had a very good season, but he appeared to choke in the limelight. And critical NFL games, not even talking about playoff games, are much more intense/faster/physical than any college game.I think Gresham improved his stock and was the go-to-guy all night for the Sooners.....looks like a prototype H-Back type that is resurfacing nowadays in the league

Not the first time I've seen issues with Iglesias' hands either.

I'm in the Oklahoma's offensive line is over rated camp, as far as pro potential is concerned anyway. They can handle college players, I think they'll have problems with pro talent.



Correct to assume he was only discussing Oklahoma players and not Florida players?

No, he was asked to rank the players from the title game that had the best pro prospects. These are all of the names he mentioned and did not comment very extensively about any of them. He often goes off on tangents and sometimes misses the actual questions.

 

[Raider Nation]

The best QB will probably end up being someone from a non-BCS conference that is barely getting noticed now.

You mean like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan?

Jason.....all those guys come from BSC schools.....he was saying Non-BCS schools

My point exactly...It's great to get super excited about the small school guy who teams are going to scout and he's going to blow you away; and they certainly exist. I'm sure the Steelers are thrilled they took a chance on a kid from Miami (Ohio), for example. But by and large, the league's elite QBs come from BCS schools.

I think there are two issues being discussed here . . . QBs from non-BCS schools and QBs drafted fairly late (say second day picks 4th round or later). While I generally agree that teams are probably better off with QBs from BCS schools and taking them earlier rather than later on draft day, there are currently quite a few QBs that don't fit that profile. There are probably more QBs than many would think:BOTH:Garrard, Carolina (4th)Thigpen, Coastal Carolina (7th)Fitzpatrick, Harvard (7th)Delhomme, Louisianna-Lafayette (Undrafted)Garcia, San Jose State (Undrafted)Romo, Eastern Illinois (Undrafted)Warner, Northern Iowa (Undrafted)NON-BCS:Culpepper, Central Florida (1st)Flacco, Delaware (1st)Leftwich, Marshall (1st)Losman, Tulane (1st)Pennington, Marshall (1st)Roethlisberger, Miami, OH (1st)Favre, Southern Mississippi (2nd)Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama State (2nd)4th ROUND OR LATER:Orton, Purdue (4th)Brunell, Washington (5th)Orlovsky, Connecticut (5th)Brady, Michigan (6th)Bulger, West Virginia (6th)Hasselbeck, Boston College (6th)Cassel, USC (7th)Trent Green, Indiana (8th)Clearly the huge majority of them are not SB winners, but there certainly are a number that have led some solid teams.

Look where the Final Four QBs are from.SyracuseNorthern IowaDelawareMiami (Ohio)Not exactly football factories. If you can play football, someone will find you.

 

[Devine Intervention]

Dont be surprised to see the next big sleeper to come out of the University at Buffalo!!! ok, maybe a homer pick, but Drew Willy can play. Hes got a big arm, hes the right size and hes as smart as they come. Had the trust in the coaches to make whatever presnap audibles or adjustments, and reads defenses pretty well. Im sure he has his flaws but look out cause he'll get drafted and he's got the style that translates.