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Your hyperbole aside, he did say that Caddy Williams and Ronnie Brown would both be excellent pro football players and he felt that JJ Arrington would not be productive at the NFL level.
He also came out last year and said that Mike Williams would be a bust. I remember him arguing with Kiper about it (Kiper was calling Williams a HOF player). He took a lot of heat for that at the time. It's awfully early but so far he seems to be correct.
I guess if you're a former Steeler's RB you don't think you need QB's. If it were up to some in the Pittsburgh organization at different times in their history, they'd just run a wishbone offense and pound the ball 9 out of 10 times. (Exaggeration intended).
I sure wish I remembered the other things.
Not sure about that situation, but he definitely has it in for Philly. I remember when they were 5-0 (or maybe 6-0), he was guaranteeing that they would not make the playoffs.
He compared all of the QBs to Carson Palmer(apparently he was alway very high on him) and said that none of them come close to him.His big knock on Leinart was accuracy. He showed how even the big 4th down completion against ND was not very accurate. His big knock on Young was lack of success in a pro style offense and that he couldn't throw effectively in the NFL.
When comparing to Palmer, he said that none of these QBs would be as good as Palmer is, therefore none should be a 1st round pick. That doesn't make much sense to me. Obviously, teams are hoping their QB develops as Palmer has, but it is not realistic to think that ALL 1st round QB's will be as good as Palmer. I guess all 1st round RBs have to be as good as LT to justify their draft status?
In before the Vince Young Nation pounces on you.
And surely "Matt Jones" wouldn't be biased one bit here
He's just mad because a rookie QB lead a terrible Titan team to a better season than a much more talented Jag team. I'd say Leftwich is much more overrated. Had they started Young from the beginning of the season, they would have made the playoffs.Apparently rushing stats don't matter? Young had 553 ru. yds and 7 TDs, add those stats to his passing stats, and he you have a much more accurate and higher rating. Sorry to break it to you, but the Jags are going to have to deal with VY for a long long time, good luck you will need it. I'm just glad he's not in the Broncos Division.
You should actually try watching the game of football sometime. If you did you would realize that you are terribly wrong, and that with your 2 cents your a broke #####.
Just a warning from a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. Don't get caught up in the adding rushing yards & TDs to the passing stats and using them to bump up the passer ratings, especially with rookie QBs. People used to do this to Kordell Stewart.For instance, 1997 was Kordell's first season as a starting QB. His passing numbers wer actually pretty good: 236-440-21-17 and then people added on his rushing stats: 88-476-11. We were all dancing in the streets with the prospects of a QB that could account for 32 TDs in a season. He never did it again and in fact he never came close. I am not saying that VY is another Kordell Stewart. VY may turn out to be a great QB in the NFL. I just wouldn't go carving his bust for the HoF based on his rookie season.
Fair enough, but I don't recall Kordell showing the kind of leadership VY did. It's the attribute many of us were pimping him for prior to the season. It's still his strongest attribute. FWIW, I maintain passer rating is one of the most overrated stats in the NFL.
Irony. As far as "I don't know what I'd do if I was a Titans fan", last I checked they had the same record (8-8) as Jacksonville.
Not a surprising take from a Jax fan. Two of Vince's worst games this season were against Jacksonville, and I doubt their fans watched Vince play in many other games, so their view of his abilities might be a little skewed. That being said, MJD is good, but he did not have the same level of impact on his team that Vince did, and RB is about 10 times easier to play as a rookie than QB is, so you have to take that into account when comparing their seasons.
I watched many, I saw him win. Stop lumping all Jags fans together.
shouldn't you be burning a cross somewhere?
And clearly you are not biased, bitter Jags fan.
Just because your first round QB is a fat bust, doesn't mean they all are. Enjoy the David Garrard era.
LinkVince Young is my fullproof bonafide NFL bust. He's a running quarterback that doesn't have great speed (I'd guess somewhere between 4.5-4.6) and lacks agility. In the NFL the defensive players are so fast, so I don't see his 'running ability' helping him too much; it will only get him injured. Every game I've watched of his didn't impress me with his throwing the ball. He seems to float too many balls, the passes lack velocity. Now, if he is drafted by the Titans and gets a year or two to work on his mechanics and bulks up, maybe he has a chance. I just try to picture him being sucessful in the NFL and I just don't see it. I'm usually pretty good at evaluating quarterbacks, I hate to brag but I was on the Roethlisberger wagon in 2004 and on the Alex Smith sucks ### wagon, too. Those are two good wagons to be on. Also, am I the only one that sees similarities between Peyton Manning and Matt Leinhart?
The one thing I hate about this board is how people will revise history just to make themselves look right. Matt Jones came out and called VY a bust. Then VY is the rookie of the year, and Matt Jones tries to argue that he didn't have a very good year and is overrated. Makes the board a lot worse.
I see similarities between "Matt Jones" & Ryan Leaf, actually. Any more revisionist history?
credit to the defense? you mean the #32 ranked worst defense in the league??
Titans points allowed in 8 losses: 239, or 30 per game. Titans points allowed in 8 wins: 162, or 20 per game. The Titans defense gave up 37+ three times in the season, all losses. They gave up 23+ 7 times, and were 1-6 in those games. In the 9 games where they gave up 22 or less, they were 7-2. It's possible that Young provided the spark that motivated their defense, or that he helped sustain drives that kept the defense rested, but it's pretty compelling that the Titans' resurgence was closely tied to their defense.credit to the defense? you mean the #32 ranked worst defense in the league??
I don't quite get the sarcasm. Do you think Peyton Manning was that much better than Leinart when Manning was a rookie? Clearly, Peyton Manning is in a class of his own. However, his rookie numbers are unimpressive and can be compared to many other rookie QBs including Leinart. A comparison of Manning to someone like Vick would be clear sarcasm as their styles and achievements are so different. Comparing the rookie seasons of Leinart and Manning is not. As to V. Young, he is not your typical drop back, throw out of bounds QB as we all can agree. His passing numbers will probably never be near the top of the league but the guy can break down a defense and create big plays during the course of a game. The guy produces wins and because of that he will be considered a very good NFL QB.
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Could you explain a couple things? First of all, you need to define bust, so I can reference your opinion of what that means (and hold you to it later). And how can you think his rushing stats this year will be his career high, when he only played 13 Games, and was a rookie. Logical reasoning would say his worst year would be his rookie season, especially when you say he is too stupid to understand an NFL offense. With a year behind him, he will only become better suited for the NFL Style. Of course, logic does seem beyond you. As far as the Leinart Manning comparison, since you say it's sarcasm, are you saying Leinart is going to be a bust as well? You are giving Matt "The Great White American Hope" Jones a bad name with all of your idiotic rhetoric. And clarify that New England Giants statement please.matt jones said:
really? I think Jaws is one of the best(definitely top 10, maybe top 5) sports personalities out there right now.
Well,in Jaws defense he does make Hoge look like a flag football analyst. I think he has good football knowledge and analytical skills.. I've just soured on how he and Hoge start to debate each other on a topic and wind up arguing. No,I'm right, NO I"M right.Childish behavior.
Not reaching those expectations in no way constitute being a bust. You've dug yourself into a hole here and are now reaching for ways of justifying your accusations. He was drafted to lead his team to wins and hopefully a championship. He wasn't necessarily drafted to do any of things you've listed.
