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Merriman suspended for steroids (1 Viewer)
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I'd almost say I'm surprised more players don't get caught, but I suspect they are ahead of the testing curve. I'm sure at least 85% of players are on something.Wouldn't really be a big surprise.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I'd almost say I'm surprised more players don't get caught, but I suspect they are ahead of the testing curve. I'm sure at least 85% of players are on something.
I agree
ffweasel
Weasel Power
Kickers bringing the percentage down?I'd almost say I'm surprised more players don't get caught, but I suspect they are ahead of the testing curve. I'm sure at least 85% of players are on something.
Emmitt Smith
18,355
I agree as well. Especially HGH since they can't test for it.I'd almost say I'm surprised more players don't get caught, but I suspect they are ahead of the testing curve. I'm sure at least 85% of players are on something.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
4 NFL games is = to 40 MLB games. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but he will lose 1/4 of his salary for this year as well.
Yes, at 11:37 Adam Schefter reported that the NFL still hadn't announced the suspension.At 11:50, the NFL announced the suspension.Merriman supposedly has a statement prepared about it. I'm curious to hear his story.Marty has his normal Monday press conference at 1:15 today.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Two choices here. Blame someone/something else or come clean and admit that he's guilty.
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
They should test Matt BryantKickers bringing the percentage down?I'd almost say I'm surprised more players don't get caught, but I suspect they are ahead of the testing curve. I'm sure at least 85% of players are on something.
62 yd FG
It's not just you, I've said the same thing... but to be honest, I think they have differentiated Steroids from narcotics/drugs/alcohol. For your first strike on normal drugs, I think you just get warned and tested more regularly (put in the substance abuse program)- you don't start missing games until your second strike, and then you miss the season on your third strike. With steroids and supplements, you get an automatic 4-game suspension (i.e. no first strike), although with the second strike it only escalates to 8 games instead of the full season.Where I think they need to differentiate is between supplements and outright steroids. Sauerbrun gets caught using Ephedra, which may be banned, but is only a weight-loss supplement, and as far as I can tell the only reason it was banned was because Korey Stringer died while using it (not because it gives a performance advantage). On the other hand, Merriman gets caught using "real steroids"... and yet both players face the exact same suspension? I don't get it. Sauerbrun deserved his 4-game suspension for breaking the rules, but Merriman's rulebreaking was far more malicious, and had far more impact on "purity of the game".In Olympic sports, the first positive steroid test gets you banned for two years, and the second gives you a lifetime ban. That might be a little bit too harsh for the NFL, but I'd like to see an 8-game suspension for first-time offenders (which would be the largest suspension the NFL had ever doled out for a single offense, iirc), and then a 2-year ban if they repeat, and a lifetime ban if their career somehow survives and they still don't learn their lesson.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
I heard on the radio from Chris Colston (sp) of Sports Weekly that Merriman doesn't have an agent and some of the delay comes from Merriman trying to line up representation for this.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
he's such a model NFL player, like so many nowdays .........
From another board:
I think they parted ways.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Link? I've been searching for the past twenty minutes and can't find anything. Are you sure you're not thinking of when he fired Gary Wichard after the draft?
joffer
Footballguy
denial is a river in EgyptMerriman claims he did nothing wrong - that there is a flaw in the system.He practiced today and apparently said he expects to play against the Rams on Sunday.
I'm sure I'm thinking of the Postons, not Wichard, but I can't give you a link to my car radio from today at lunch.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
Merriman has been near unstopable this season and this goes a long way to explaining why.As for the idea that 60% of the league abuses rhoids, I gotta disagree. These guys get tested ALOT and they would all get caught eventually if that were the case.Last, a 4 game suspention means this is his 2nd violation (unless the rules are different for rhoids than other banned stuff).
From another board: Supposedly Merriman without knowledge of it took a supplement that had nandralone in it. What merriman might do is take the supplement to the NFL to be tested.
(I don't know what the "without knowledge of it" modifies -- he didn't know he took the supplement, or he took a supplement that he didn't know had nandrolone in it. Probably the latter.)
(I don't know what the "without knowledge of it" modifies -- he didn't know he took the supplement, or he took a supplement that he didn't know had nandrolone in it. Probably the latter.)
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ShadowMaster
Footballguy
They were very specific to say it was rhoids and not some supplement - so I doubt this is true.
thunderclap
Footballguy
If what he took contained nandrolone, that doesn't appear to be contradictory. He tested positive for a steroid, and nandrolone qualifies. I think the distinction they were trying to draw by saying "it was rhoids and not some supplement", is that he didn't test positive for something like androstene, which isn't a steroid, but leads to increased testosterone production. That's my interpretation, anyway. Nandrolone, AFAIK, is an actual steroid.
Lawyer: Merriman drug test stems from supplement
Attorney says ex-Terp will continue to play while appealing four-game suspension
By Bernie Wilson
The Associated Press
Originally published October 23, 2006, 10:36 PM EDT
SAN DIEGO // Shawne Merriman's attorney said the Chargers' outside linebacker failed a drug test because of a tainted supplement and will continue to play while appealing his four-game suspension.
Attorney David Cornwell said he believed Merriman tested positive for the steroid nandrolone, which is prohibited under the NFL's substance abuse policy. Cornwell said the substance was in a supplement Merriman has been taking.
"He did not go into the back alley somewhere and put a needle in his butt for steroids," Cornwell said at a news conference Monday, about two hours after Merriman practiced with the Chargers a day after their 30-27 loss at Kansas City.
Merriman said he spoke with teammates and coaches earlier in the day, and "apologized to them for this being a distraction, especially the critical time we're going through as a team."
"Hopefully, nobody makes any kind of judgment or anything that basically makes me guilty for anything, because nothing has been done wrong on my part," Merriman said. "And I will try to get it straightened out as soon as possible. As of right now, I'm not missing any time."
The 22-year-old Merriman was the 2005 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year and started in the Pro Bowl after leading the Chargers with 10 sacks. Nicknamed "Lights Out" because of his punishing hits, Merriman has 5 1/2 sacks this season for the Chargers (4-2), who host St. Louis on Sunday.
"I have no reason to do anything wrong, especially when I'm already in the spotlight and doing things and trying to present to people the right and wrong way to go about things," Merriman said. "This is obviously a mistake that has to be dealt with correctly."
If Merriman loses his appeal, it would be another blow to a defense that has been losing players since outside linebacker Steve Foley was shot by an off-duty Coronado police officer eight days before the season started. Shaun Phillips, who replaced Foley and has a team-high six sacks, injured his calf Sunday and could be out for up to four weeks. End Igor Olshansky has been out with a knee injury.
Cornwell said the appeal could take anywhere from one week to months.
Nandrolone "is the primary culprit in tainted supplements," the lawyer said.
"I know that people get tired of hearing it, but it is a fact and it is not going to go away until the Congress of the United States deals with it," Cornwell said. "Supplements are not regulated and it is a dirty fact of this industry that many of them are tainted with prohibited substances and men like Shawne get hooked up and get penalized for taking something that they didn't know was present in the supplement.
"That's why this is such an evil process," the attorney said. "He has been playing, unwittingly, Russian roulette with his career because he's been taking the same supplements, and it has been subjected to testing, and hasn't yielded a positive test. So he thought the supplements that he was taking were safe."
Late in the 2004 season, Chargers fullback Andrew Pinnock was suspended for four games for violating the league's policy on anabolic steroids and related substances. His agent said at the time that Pinnock accidentally took a supplement that contained a banned substance.
Coach Marty Schottenheimer and players said Monday they were barred from commenting by the league's Collective Bargaining Agreement.
But defensive end Luis Castillo said he understands what Merriman is facing.
Castillo tested positive for androstenedione at the scouting combine in February 2005. He later said it was "a huge mistake" in taking the steroid to help his performance at the combine after he was slow to heal from an elbow injury sustained his senior year at Northwestern.
Castillo had a clause inserted in his contract stating he will forfeit his bonus money if he ever has another positive drug test.
"It's tough to deal with," Castillo said. "It tests your mental strength and it tests your support network with your family. We love the guy and we're sticking with him, and we told him that. Shawne's a mentally strong guy and he's going to come back from this and do great things for us."
Merriman and Castillo were first-round draft picks in 2005.
Besides Merriman's positive drug test, the Chargers have had five separate off-field issues dating back to April.
Foley was shot three times near his suburban home on Sept. 3 by an off-duty police officer who suspected him of drunk driving. Foley will miss the entire season and was charged with two counts of DUI.
Safety Terrence Kiel was arrested on five felony drug counts in September and has pleaded not guilty.
Cornerback Markus Curry, who had been demoted to the practice squad, was released on Oct. 9, just hours after he was arrested on suspicion of committing domestic violence.
Foley and Phillips were arrested for scuffling with San Diego police officers a week apart in April. Neither was charged.
Attorney says ex-Terp will continue to play while appealing four-game suspension
By Bernie Wilson
The Associated Press
Originally published October 23, 2006, 10:36 PM EDT
SAN DIEGO // Shawne Merriman's attorney said the Chargers' outside linebacker failed a drug test because of a tainted supplement and will continue to play while appealing his four-game suspension.
Attorney David Cornwell said he believed Merriman tested positive for the steroid nandrolone, which is prohibited under the NFL's substance abuse policy. Cornwell said the substance was in a supplement Merriman has been taking.
"He did not go into the back alley somewhere and put a needle in his butt for steroids," Cornwell said at a news conference Monday, about two hours after Merriman practiced with the Chargers a day after their 30-27 loss at Kansas City.
Merriman said he spoke with teammates and coaches earlier in the day, and "apologized to them for this being a distraction, especially the critical time we're going through as a team."
"Hopefully, nobody makes any kind of judgment or anything that basically makes me guilty for anything, because nothing has been done wrong on my part," Merriman said. "And I will try to get it straightened out as soon as possible. As of right now, I'm not missing any time."
The 22-year-old Merriman was the 2005 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year and started in the Pro Bowl after leading the Chargers with 10 sacks. Nicknamed "Lights Out" because of his punishing hits, Merriman has 5 1/2 sacks this season for the Chargers (4-2), who host St. Louis on Sunday.
"I have no reason to do anything wrong, especially when I'm already in the spotlight and doing things and trying to present to people the right and wrong way to go about things," Merriman said. "This is obviously a mistake that has to be dealt with correctly."
If Merriman loses his appeal, it would be another blow to a defense that has been losing players since outside linebacker Steve Foley was shot by an off-duty Coronado police officer eight days before the season started. Shaun Phillips, who replaced Foley and has a team-high six sacks, injured his calf Sunday and could be out for up to four weeks. End Igor Olshansky has been out with a knee injury.
Cornwell said the appeal could take anywhere from one week to months.
Nandrolone "is the primary culprit in tainted supplements," the lawyer said.
"I know that people get tired of hearing it, but it is a fact and it is not going to go away until the Congress of the United States deals with it," Cornwell said. "Supplements are not regulated and it is a dirty fact of this industry that many of them are tainted with prohibited substances and men like Shawne get hooked up and get penalized for taking something that they didn't know was present in the supplement.
"That's why this is such an evil process," the attorney said. "He has been playing, unwittingly, Russian roulette with his career because he's been taking the same supplements, and it has been subjected to testing, and hasn't yielded a positive test. So he thought the supplements that he was taking were safe."
Late in the 2004 season, Chargers fullback Andrew Pinnock was suspended for four games for violating the league's policy on anabolic steroids and related substances. His agent said at the time that Pinnock accidentally took a supplement that contained a banned substance.
Coach Marty Schottenheimer and players said Monday they were barred from commenting by the league's Collective Bargaining Agreement.
But defensive end Luis Castillo said he understands what Merriman is facing.
Castillo tested positive for androstenedione at the scouting combine in February 2005. He later said it was "a huge mistake" in taking the steroid to help his performance at the combine after he was slow to heal from an elbow injury sustained his senior year at Northwestern.
Castillo had a clause inserted in his contract stating he will forfeit his bonus money if he ever has another positive drug test.
"It's tough to deal with," Castillo said. "It tests your mental strength and it tests your support network with your family. We love the guy and we're sticking with him, and we told him that. Shawne's a mentally strong guy and he's going to come back from this and do great things for us."
Merriman and Castillo were first-round draft picks in 2005.
Besides Merriman's positive drug test, the Chargers have had five separate off-field issues dating back to April.
Foley was shot three times near his suburban home on Sept. 3 by an off-duty police officer who suspected him of drunk driving. Foley will miss the entire season and was charged with two counts of DUI.
Safety Terrence Kiel was arrested on five felony drug counts in September and has pleaded not guilty.
Cornerback Markus Curry, who had been demoted to the practice squad, was released on Oct. 9, just hours after he was arrested on suspicion of committing domestic violence.
Foley and Phillips were arrested for scuffling with San Diego police officers a week apart in April. Neither was charged.
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
This from the above MT post says volumes. Sounds like maybe ESPN is making this into another TO OD style witch hunt. I notice their bottom line has changed considerably throughout the night.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I like Merriman coming out and declaring that this is a mistake up front with no beating around the bush. His actions are perfectly consistant with those of an innocent man.
At this point, I'm going to take him for his word and hope this was an innocent mistake. He's been a model citizen thus far in his career, everyone in the organization and the San Diego community speaks highly of him.
At this point, I'm going to take him for his word and hope this was an innocent mistake. He's been a model citizen thus far in his career, everyone in the organization and the San Diego community speaks highly of him.
I don't know what difference it makes, though. The NFL has a list of "approved" supplements that players are allowed to take, and if Merriman goes
ing to them, saying that he took an unapproved supplement that had steroids in it, but he didn't know that it had steroids in it, I suspect the league would just say 
. There's an approved supplement list for a reason- so the NFL can regulate what goes into those supplements. I seriously hope that Merriman isn't going to go to the office and whine about the fact that his unapproved supplement wasn't regulated.Now, if he takes an APPROVED supplement to them and it tests positive for steroids, and he can somehow manage to prove that he hasn't tampered with the supplement and added the steroids himself, then maybe he has a leg to stand on... but my mother always said that if ifs and buts were candy and nuts then every day would be Christmas.I'm hoping that Merriman's appeal takes 3 weeks before it gets shot down, so that he'll be forced to miss BOTH Denver games.Also, you'll all forgive me for not believing Merriman is innocent. Somehow I can't bring myself to accept the fact that there's this secret conspiracy by those in power, and that every athlete that tests positive for steroids was really innocent all along. 
One last thing- if Merriman gets off the hook for testing positive for steroids like Castillo did, I'm going to be genuinely upset. The NFL might just want to send all athletes engraved invitations to tell their agents to tamper with their supplements without their knowledge, because apparently ignorance is now an acceptable excuse for breaking the rules.
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Phlash
Footballguy
I read an article about him in The Sporting News, and he seems like the kind of guy who doesn't want to use roids to get better. The man apparently works out in his living room while watching NFL Network or ESPN, and loves building muscle, however he does not show the normal signs of someone who is using steroids - that is, he is very smart, makes sound decisions, and is a very nice human being (in the article it stated how while in college he discovered that an orphanage was out of money and closing down, so the children in it were going to be put on the street, so he donated $7,500 of his own money - keep in mind he was raised on the streets as well - and started a charity event to keep the money going, then went to the mayor to raise it as a political issue and get more people and money involved). Honestly, I have tons of respect for the man and wish him the best, I do believe him when he says he's innocent.
I don't get it? Steroids users don't like working out? Steroids users don't care about homeless orphans? What does any of this have to do with whether or not he's likely to use steroids?I get it. He's a nice guy. I know plenty of nice guys. I know a guy who took an entire semester off of school and went up to New Orleans and volunteered for 6 months helping rebuild after Katrina. Really a great guy. He still cheated on his economics final, though.
I don't either. But the fact that he hasn't yet been suspended suggests that it might make a difference. Or maybe the delay is just procedural. I don't know.
I'm with you on that. I'd like to get Shaun Phillips back before Merriman is lost.
I suspect that the guys who test positive are more likely to be "innocent" (in the sense of not purposely doing steroids) than many of the guys who pass all their tests. The guys who are guilty use masking agents or other methods of avoiding detection. The guys who don't avoid detection are more likely to be in the accidental supplement-taking group.Somehow I can't bring myself to accept the fact that there's this secret conspiracy by those in power, and that every athlete that tests positive for steroids was really innocent all along.
Castillo did not plead ignorance. Unlike Merriman, Castillo stuck a needle in his butt. He cheated on purpose. (He was trying to recover from an injury so he could work out at the combine.)
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My point was more that he got completely off the hook. I mean, there really weren't *ANY* repercussions to his taking steriods with full knowledge and intent. If anything, he was REWARDED for taking steroids, because no way would he have been a first-round selection if he'd blown at the combine.If the NFL wants to point at itself and say that it's the last bastion of clean play, then they're going to need to actually... you know... have some consequences when people take steroids.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Who should have punished him? As far as I know, the NCAA doesn't have a doping agecny. Certainly the NFL can't suspend him for something he did many months before getting drafted, much less signing an official contract. His actions weren't illegal, so this wasn't a police matter. I agree that it seems a shame that he "got away with it," but what could have been done?
Irish
Footballguy
How does a college student who was raised on the streets have $7500 laying around to help out charities? Hmmm.....
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
This is the same guy that was on the Cover of The Sporting News a couple of weeks ago as "The NFL's Next Monster." All along he was cheating using the juice. He is cut from the same cloth at Barry Bonds. Two no account punks.
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Harry Beanbag
Sausage King of Chicago
The original poster is mistaken. Merriman broke out his checkbook and kept the homeless shelter open in San Diego last winter. While Merriman was in college, he used his name and his celebrity to organize a coat donation drive for needy kids. Merriman understood what it was like as a kid to be cold and homeless because his house burned down THREE times. His charity work is unquestioned and he has been a model citizen in the community no matter where he has been. To clarrify, here's the story on Merriman's contribution ot the homeless shelter while a Charger and not an NCAA athlete.'Lights Out' helps keep lights on at shelter
As for the roids, the claim of "my supplements" does seem to be rather convenient these days. Not only from Merriman but from others as well. The clear and the cream ring a bell? I am not privy to the whole approved supplements list claimed to be in every NFL locker room but you think that if Merriman wanted to take some supplements, he would make sure that he would not get popped for something in them. Take them to the NFL and have them test them. I think the obligation is on the athlete to make sure what he is taking is approved and accepted. On the other side of the coin the NFL should make it available for all athletes to bring supplements to a testing facility to see if a new product on the market complies. I am sure in a free market society the NFL can't possibly be on top of every new product sold in gym, GNC or over the internet. Allowing the players to mail in a bottle of the newest supplement for testing would eliminate this issue.
Side note, sounds like SSOG is a bit butt hurt that both San Diego's first round draft picks in 2005 turned out to be pretty good players and are both now linked to 'roid use. Also sounds like he is a bit miffed that the Broncos didn't have a first round pick in 2005 and would have given his first born to have either one of these players on his team.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Nandrolone is an anabolic steroid that has recently caused a great deal of controversy after a number of big name athletes have been banned from competition after failing tests for this drug. These include Linford Christie, Mark Richardson and Dougie Walker (all well known British sprinters), Merlene Ottey (the Jamaican former 200 m world champion), and Dieter Baumann (the German 500 m runner). After protesting their innocence, all were subsequently cleared by their national athletics organisations, although the International Amateur Athletics Federation fueled the controversy further by overturning the reinstatement of Christie and Walker. As well as athletes, French soccer star Christophe Dugarry tested positive for nandrolone after a match last year, and following a Wimbledon quarter final in 1998 Czech tennis player Petr Korda also failed a test. But the fact that so many sportsmen have tested positive for the same substance in such a short space of time has led to speculation that the testing procedure may be flawed, or inaccurate.
British sprinter Linford Christie, who controversially failed a test for nandrolone earlier this year.
The drug known as nandrolone (also known commercially as Deca-Durabolin) has the IUPAC name 17b-hydroxy-19-nor-4-andro-sten-3-one, and is an anabolic steroid (a muscle-building chemical) which occurs naturally in the human body, but only in tiny quantities. It is very similar in structure to the male hormone testosterone, and has many of the same effects in terms of increasing muscle mass, without some of the more unwanted side-effects such as increased body hair or aggressive behaviour. As such, it is being actively examined in clinical tests as a possible treatment for wasting diseases, and to strengthen and increase body tissue and musculature in HIV infected men. In this form it is usually injected in its decanoate form, after first being dissolved in a suitable edible oil.
However, what is detected in the drug tests is the metabolism product of this molecule, called 19-norandrosterone, which is excreted from the body in urine, making it easy to obtain samples. A limit of 2 ng per ml of urine (set by the International Olympic Committee) is the maximum concentration thought possible to occur in human body by 'natural means', and if this is exceeded the drug test is considered positive. Since some samples given by athletes have shown levels up to 100 times higher than this, the conclusion is that the athletes must have been taking extra quantities of the drug to enhance their performance.
British sprinter Linford Christie, who controversially failed a test for nandrolone earlier this year.
The drug known as nandrolone (also known commercially as Deca-Durabolin) has the IUPAC name 17b-hydroxy-19-nor-4-andro-sten-3-one, and is an anabolic steroid (a muscle-building chemical) which occurs naturally in the human body, but only in tiny quantities. It is very similar in structure to the male hormone testosterone, and has many of the same effects in terms of increasing muscle mass, without some of the more unwanted side-effects such as increased body hair or aggressive behaviour. As such, it is being actively examined in clinical tests as a possible treatment for wasting diseases, and to strengthen and increase body tissue and musculature in HIV infected men. In this form it is usually injected in its decanoate form, after first being dissolved in a suitable edible oil.
However, what is detected in the drug tests is the metabolism product of this molecule, called 19-norandrosterone, which is excreted from the body in urine, making it easy to obtain samples. A limit of 2 ng per ml of urine (set by the International Olympic Committee) is the maximum concentration thought possible to occur in human body by 'natural means', and if this is exceeded the drug test is considered positive. Since some samples given by athletes have shown levels up to 100 times higher than this, the conclusion is that the athletes must have been taking extra quantities of the drug to enhance their performance.
DanFouts
Footballguy
SD Tribune says his appeal is for Nov 7 and he remains eligible for next 2 games. Also says Philips may be back in 2 weeks!!!!!!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...s24chnotes.html
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...s24chnotes.html
derek19
Footballguy
SD Tribune says his appeal is for Nov 7 and he remains eligible for next 2 games. Also says Philips may be back in 2 weeks!!!!!!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...s24chnotes.html
He should be suspended now!!!!!
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I understand the skepticism, but you have to at least consider the possibility that Merriman did not intentionally use steroids. Perhaps he'll be suspended anyway, b/c ignorance isn't an excuse, but that's far from the picture you're painting here.I'm guessing this isn't the first drug test Merriman has taken - chances are he was tested at the combine and at least once last year. Apparently he was clean then, while being dominant and making the Pro Bowl. Why in the world would he knowingly start using this year after all of his success while being clean?Doesn't make sense.SSOG said:
Ignoring the lawyer's foolish back alley statement "like that would ever happen"....NFLPA does research and decides what's good and not good for a player's body. His union dues, he pays for that research. He pays for them to look out for his best interest. He needs to be more aware of what he puts in his body.
4 games is the rule. It's not debatable. Maybe it should be but it's a crystal clear "if you do this, you get that" kind of rule.
It's probably good for him to go thru this. I bet now he even checks the centrum bottle for a banned substance.
I noticed Nov 7th. He'll be back for december then right? That seems important to me.
Why is the NFL willing to hear an appeal?On the field, certain calls are not reviewable, and the coaches can't challenge them. If the refs are willing to entertain a coach's challenge, it's because the play is reviewable -- i.e., debatable.Do you think the drug suspension process is different from that?
yepI think it's a chance for some dope to stand on a "soap box" on behalf of the player. I don't have any stats but it feels like 1 in 100 get overturned. IIRC Henry and Ricky have lost a couple each. Yet when the appeal comes up there's always someone that is all on their soap box preaching. Unless there's some tainted test kit or sample bottle, all I see it doing is putting the player under more scrutiny.Remember LT won an appeal once then in the offseason wrote his book how he used a visine bottle containing pee to beat his test+how it sounded real to the guy standing behind him right outside the stall. The process has been dead serious ever since. The other thing to keep in mind is his NFLPA reps are the ones that agree to the banned substance list. Player goes in thinking they're on his side. For a day, they're not, in some ways. They don't want their list to be BS, they stand by their research and decision. They almost "set the table" for the player to even be there.
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Oh yeah, that's right. Boy, I sure wish Denver had some help on the defensive side, because we're really struggling back there.Harry Beanbag said:
I'd take Denver's 2005 2nd and 3rd rounder over San Diego's two first-rounders.
Of course not. I just think that if the NFL really wants to pretend it's better than baseball, it needs to bring the hammer down.
I think that's hardly the only possibility. As has been mentioned, the cheaters take masking agents. Maybe he's been taking steroids for years, and this is just the first time his masking agent didn't cover it.
I tend to agree. Appeals are just for show. I remember a Gerard Warren quote where he got fined, and he said he was appealing even though he knew he was guilty and going to lose, just because it was his right as a player.
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DanFouts
Footballguy
I imagine part of his argument is that he has taken the same OTC supplement for x years and had no positive test. However, the batch that he is now taking (which are not FDA regulated), was tainted. If he can prove through an independent lab that this is the case, I think he will have a strong argument.
could be, just to clarify, that's not disagreeing with me
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