Miami Dolphins WR's (1 Viewer)

[Our Gang]

I was checking my daily FBG's email and have to take exception to the "our view" of the Dolphins receiving core. It says that the Dolphins are desperate for WR help. I totally disagree with that opinion. While the fins don't have a Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald, as a unit they are very strong. While there aren't any very exciting players, you have Ginn, Bess, and Camarillo who the front office feels very confident in. Add Turner and Hartlien. London, or Armstrong and that is a solid group. My feeling is that Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess all end up with very similar numbers- around 60/900/4. Miami will get good prodcution out of the group and not necessarily one that stands out. Not great for fantasy football, but very good for NFL football.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I was checking my daily FBG's email and have to take exception to the "our view" of the Dolphins receiving core. It says that the Dolphins are desperate for WR help. I totally disagree with that opinion. While the fins don't have a Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald, as a unit they are very strong. While there aren't any very exciting players, you have Ginn, Bess, and Camarillo who the front office feels very confident in. Add Turner and Hartlien. London, or Armstrong and that is a solid group. My feeling is that Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess all end up with very similar numbers- around 60/900/4. Miami will get good prodcution out of the group and not necessarily one that stands out. Not great for fantasy football, but very good for NFL football.

They may not be ridiculously bad or anything like that, but I can't think of too many NFL teams that have a worse group. To date, Ginn has not proven he can be a difference-making WR1, so you start off in a hole right there. Camarillo and Bess are what they are, nothing special.Give me 5 "worse" WR squads for fun? I took a quick gander and it looks like there are some teams I'd put in the same general boat, but most groups I'd much prefer over Miami's.

 

[Ray_T]

I was checking my daily FBG's email and have to take exception to the "our view" of the Dolphins receiving core. It says that the Dolphins are desperate for WR help. I totally disagree with that opinion. While the fins don't have a Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald, as a unit they are very strong. While there aren't any very exciting players, you have Ginn, Bess, and Camarillo who the front office feels very confident in. Add Turner and Hartlien. London, or Armstrong and that is a solid group. My feeling is that Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess all end up with very similar numbers- around 60/900/4. Miami will get good prodcution out of the group and not necessarily one that stands out. Not great for fantasy football, but very good for NFL football.

you are making a judgement on what may happen. As we are dealing with young players who are still developing their skills, you also need to realize it could take up to 2 or 3 more years before these players really come into their own.while I do think Ginn has the potential to become a #1 guy, right now he should be in the #2 Role with an established veteran as the #1 who can show him what it takes to cut it as a pro. Ditto for Camarillo. I think one day he will be a true #2 WR, but right now he is a #3 who is probably going to play as a #2. at the end of the day they need a veteran, role model/WR who can be the #1 guy until Ginn is ready to step in. You could argue that Ginn is ready now, but my honest opinion is that he is at least a year away. (maybe 2 years depending on how quickly the guy learns & develops)Based on this, I consider the position taken by the FBG to be reasonable.

 

[gregjcross]

Miami has average talent but scrappy with Greg Camarillo and Devonne Bess (overachievers) and maybe Patrick Turner. Not something most teams would covet.Sorry to say it but Ted Ginn is a bust for where he was picked. the overinflated expectations will hurt him the most, he doesnt have the fortitude to catch over the middle and drive for more tough yards. If he comes on as a deep threat, huge bonus. But he didnt last year.

Lets look at WR corps jtust within the AFC East division --puts Fins at bottom half with Jets:

NE Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Joey Galloway

BUFF: T.O., Lee Evans, Roscoe Parrish, Josh Reed

NYJ: J. Cotchery, Chansi Stuckey, David Clowney

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Every FA WR that was on the market this past season was an upgrade for them...TJ Housh, LColes, THolt...every one of them would have vastly improved the Miami receiving stable. Camarillo could likely start the year on the PUP, both WRs they drafted are projects at best, i find nothing to suggest Miami has a solid group at WR. In fact they probalby have the worst bunch of WR in the NFL..I'd rather have the Giants WRs than what Miami has right now.

Did you watch the playoff game last year? They only rostered 3 WRs for the game...they are terrible.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here's how teams did fantasy wise from their receivers last year. I realize a lot of situations have changed, some of them quite a bit, but these are the numbers . . .

ARI 589.7

NOS 434.5

GBP 417.7

HOU 410.7

DEN 401.9

NEP 373.1

ATL 355.7

PIT 349.6

PHI 342

IND 337.7

CAR 337.6

DET 335.8

SFO 335.2

DAL 323.9

NYG 322.8

NYJ 319.7

SD 317.8

TBB 307.8

STL 289.6

BAL 276.5

WAS 273.4

MIN 269.1

CIN 269

JAX 264.8

BUF 261.2

MIA 257

KCC 251.8

CHI 230.3

SEA 225.8

TEN 208.1

OAK 185.9

CLE 178.8

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Every FA WR that was on the market this past season was an upgrade for them...TJ Housh, LColes, THolt...every one of them would have vastly improved the Miami receiving stable. Camarillo could likely start the year on the PUP, both WRs they drafted are projects at best, i find nothing to suggest Miami has a solid group at WR. In fact they probalby have the worst bunch of WR in the NFL..I'd rather have the Giants WRs than what Miami has right now.Did you watch the playoff game last year? They only rostered 3 WRs for the game...they are terrible.

I thought I saw that camarillo was practicing? PUP?Dolphins | Pennington zeroes in on Camarillo Tue Jun 16, 12:04 AM Omar Kelly, of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, reports that Chad Pennington immediately "found his eyes and passes directed to his favorite target", Greg Camarillo, and that Camarillo had his most impressive workout yet on Monday, June 15.Our view: Kelly even went as far to predict that Camarillo will be the #1 wide receiver on the team as long as his surgically repaired left knee holds up. Camarillo has been dropping down draft boards because his status for week 1 seemed in question, but he's ahead of schedule as should be targeted as a top bench wide receiver in PPR leagues. Link to storyGreg Camarillo player page

 

[FUBAR]

I'm viewing Miami's offense as similar to the Titans in that they don't need great WRs to make the system run. They have their deep threat to spread the D, 2 pretty solid possession types in Bess and Cam, and their QB isn't elite to justify the expense of great WRs.

 

[finito]

Not great for fantasy football, but very good for NFL football.

I find it hard to believe anyone would really think the Dolphins WRs are "very good", fantasywise or NFL-wise.The best I think anyone can hope for this season is "adequate."

 

[Shark Attack]

Every FA WR that was on the market this past season was an upgrade for them...TJ Housh, LColes, THolt...every one of them would have vastly improved the Miami receiving stable. Camarillo could likely start the year on the PUP, both WRs they drafted are projects at best, i find nothing to suggest Miami has a solid group at WR. In fact they probalby have the worst bunch of WR in the NFL..I'd rather have the Giants WRs than what Miami has right now.Did you watch the playoff game last year? They only rostered 3 WRs for the game...they are terrible.

Camarillo is working with the #1 Offense now and looks to be well ahead of schedule to start the season as the teams #1 WR.

 

[Shark Attack]

Every FA WR that was on the market this past season was an upgrade for them...TJ Housh, LColes, THolt...every one of them would have vastly improved the Miami receiving stable. Camarillo could likely start the year on the PUP, both WRs they drafted are projects at best, i find nothing to suggest Miami has a solid group at WR. In fact they probalby have the worst bunch of WR in the NFL..I'd rather have the Giants WRs than what Miami has right now.Did you watch the playoff game last year? They only rostered 3 WRs for the game...they are terrible.

I thought I saw that camarillo was practicing? PUP?Dolphins | Pennington zeroes in on Camarillo Tue Jun 16, 12:04 AM Omar Kelly, of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, reports that Chad Pennington immediately "found his eyes and passes directed to his favorite target", Greg Camarillo, and that Camarillo had his most impressive workout yet on Monday, June 15.Our view: Kelly even went as far to predict that Camarillo will be the #1 wide receiver on the team as long as his surgically repaired left knee holds up. Camarillo has been dropping down draft boards because his status for week 1 seemed in question, but he's ahead of schedule as should be targeted as a top bench wide receiver in PPR leagues. Link to storyGreg Camarillo player page

yes this is correct and its been nice to have been grabing him very late in drafts this year....keep this quiet.

 

[gregjcross]

I was checking my daily FBG's email and have to take exception to the "our view" of the Dolphins receiving core. It says that the Dolphins are desperate for WR help. I totally disagree with that opinion. While the fins don't have a Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald, as a unit they are very strong. While there aren't any very exciting players, you have Ginn, Bess, and Camarillo who the front office feels very confident in. Add Turner and Hartlien. London, or Armstrong and that is a solid group. My feeling is that Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess all end up with very similar numbers- around 60/900/4. Miami will get good prodcution out of the group and not necessarily one that stands out. Not great for fantasy football, but very good for NFL football.

Food for thought: a) If the Dolphins cut every WR they had on their roster in January then went and got free agents today like Brandon Lloyd, Ike Hilliard, Matt Jones, Bryant Johnson --would there actually be any drop off? b) Had they went out and grabbed a few low price free agents like Laverneous Coles, Jabari Gaffney and Nate Washington they woudl definetily have improved.

 

[offdee]

Food for thought: a) If the Dolphins cut every WR they had on their roster in January then went and got free agents today like Brandon Lloyd,

Brandon Lloyd is now a Denver Bronco FWIW.

 

[renesauz]

Not great for fantasy football, but very good for NFL football.

I find it hard to believe anyone would really think the Dolphins WRs are "very good", fantasywise or NFL-wise.The best I think anyone can hope for this season is "adequate."

When you're banking on a barely proven #2 as your #1, a pair of very young OK #3's to be your 2 and 3, and some almost unheard of later round rookies to be your depth...your WR corps is anything but "very good". Should any of the three of Bess/Cam/Ginn NOT progress as expected, not very good will zoom straight past "adequate" and straight into BAD.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Big Camarillo fan here.

Like Wes Welker, he often looked great in Charger training camps, but never got a chance during the regular season.

He's not fast, but he gets open.

 

[jurb26]

I was checking my daily FBG's email and have to take exception to the "our view" of the Dolphins receiving core. It says that the Dolphins are desperate for WR help. I totally disagree with that opinion. While the fins don't have a Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald, as a unit they are very strong. While there aren't any very exciting players, you have Ginn, Bess, and Camarillo who the front office feels very confident in. Add Turner and Hartlien. London, or Armstrong and that is a solid group. My feeling is that Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess all end up with very similar numbers- around 60/900/4. Miami will get good prodcution out of the group and not necessarily one that stands out. Not great for fantasy football, but very good for NFL football.

Food for thought: a) If the Dolphins cut every WR they had on their roster in January then went and got free agents today like Brandon Lloyd, Ike Hilliard, Matt Jones, Bryant Johnson --would there actually be any drop off?

You can't be serious. Yes, there would be a big drop off.

b) Had they went out and grabbed a few low price free agents like Laverneous Coles, Jabari Gaffney and Nate Washington they woudl definetily have improved.

So this would upgrade them at what, WR3?

I still contest that the major element holding back the Mia passing attack is the QB throwing the ball. I like Pennington a lot, but he simply can't make enough NFL throws to sufficiently keep defenses honest. You put Cutler in a Mia uniform (rather than overhauling the WR core like you insinuate) then I think the group in Mia suddenly looks a lot better.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The only thing the Dolphins are really lacking is a true #1 WR, which can be said of many teams in the league. Camarillo and Bess fit in nicely as a #2 and #3 WR. Once Bess stepped into the starting lineup after Camarillo when down he did just as well on a per game basis (fantasy wise) as Eddie Royal and Desean Jackson did, and better than Donnie Avery. And that was on a conservative offense without Mcnabb or Cutler throwing him the ball.

 

[gregjcross]

I was checking my daily FBG's email and have to take exception to the "our view" of the Dolphins receiving core. It says that the Dolphins are desperate for WR help. I totally disagree with that opinion. While the fins don't have a Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald, as a unit they are very strong. While there aren't any very exciting players, you have Ginn, Bess, and Camarillo who the front office feels very confident in. Add Turner and Hartlien. London, or Armstrong and that is a solid group. My feeling is that Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess all end up with very similar numbers- around 60/900/4. Miami will get good prodcution out of the group and not necessarily one that stands out. Not great for fantasy football, but very good for NFL football.

Food for thought: a) If the Dolphins cut every WR they had on their roster in January then went and got free agents today like Brandon Lloyd, Ike Hilliard, Matt Jones, Bryant Johnson --would there actually be any drop off?

You can't be serious. Yes, there would be a big drop off.

b) Had they went out and grabbed a few low price free agents like Laverneous Coles, Jabari Gaffney and Nate Washington they woudl definetily have improved.

So this would upgrade them at what, WR3?

I still contest that the major element holding back the Mia passing attack is the QB throwing the ball. I like Pennington a lot, but he simply can't make enough NFL throws to sufficiently keep defenses honest. You put Cutler in a Mia uniform (rather than overhauling the WR core like you insinuate) then I think the group in Mia suddenly looks a lot better.

You can't be serious. Yes, there would be a big drop off.I dont see which of the Dolphin WRs has done or shown anything more than what Brandon Lloyd, Ike Hilliard or Matt Jones have. Sure, Camarillo is decent and Bess is promising; but seriously no difference if you just swapped them and tossed them into the system.

So this would upgrade them at what, WR3?

Coles would be there WR1 in my opinion and its not even close.

 

[Ray_T]

I was checking my daily FBG's email and have to take exception to the "our view" of the Dolphins receiving core. It says that the Dolphins are desperate for WR help. I totally disagree with that opinion. While the fins don't have a Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald, as a unit they are very strong. While there aren't any very exciting players, you have Ginn, Bess, and Camarillo who the front office feels very confident in. Add Turner and Hartlien. London, or Armstrong and that is a solid group. My feeling is that Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess all end up with very similar numbers- around 60/900/4. Miami will get good prodcution out of the group and not necessarily one that stands out. Not great for fantasy football, but very good for NFL football.

Food for thought: a) If the Dolphins cut every WR they had on their roster in January then went and got free agents today like Brandon Lloyd, Ike Hilliard, Matt Jones, Bryant Johnson --would there actually be any drop off?

You can't be serious. Yes, there would be a big drop off.

b) Had they went out and grabbed a few low price free agents like Laverneous Coles, Jabari Gaffney and Nate Washington they woudl definetily have improved.

So this would upgrade them at what, WR3?

I still contest that the major element holding back the Mia passing attack is the QB throwing the ball. I like Pennington a lot, but he simply can't make enough NFL throws to sufficiently keep defenses honest. You put Cutler in a Mia uniform (rather than overhauling the WR core like you insinuate) then I think the group in Mia suddenly looks a lot better.

well, I know you dont think adding a vet like that will help them at any spot other than WR3, but these guys will add more value than just what they bring on the field. A guy like Hilliard could help even if it is just to help teach some of these young future stars how to prepare for a game.I personally believe that there is value in bringing in a vet like that for this purpose. The ideal guy would have been Marvin Harrison, because of the amount of respect he would have in that young dressing room, but he has signed elsewhere, so Miami has to live without.

 

[fantasyglory]

It doesn't matter as long as the Dolphins have Chad Pennington as their QB its going to hinder what their WRs can do. The deep ball is no longer an option which definitely inhibits the receivers so YAC is the main source of yardage for these receivers. I imagine they will all be mediocre receivers but there will be no offensive stud coming from this wide receiver trio. This group is performing at the best it can. I can't imagine anything better than last years numbers.

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[Ray_T]

It doesn't matter as long as the Dolphins have Chad Pennington as their QB its going to hinder what their WRs can do. The deep ball is no longer an option which definitely inhibits the receivers so YAC is the main source of yardage for these receivers. I imagine they will all be mediocre receivers but there will be no offensive stud coming from this wide receiver trio. This group is performing at the best it can. I can't imagine anything better than last years numbers.www.myfantasyplayers.comwww.twitter.com/raymondkim1

This should affect Ginn more than anyone. His blazing speed makes him the deep threat.

 

[jurb26]

It doesn't matter as long as the Dolphins have Chad Pennington as their QB its going to hinder what their WRs can do. The deep ball is no longer an option which definitely inhibits the receivers so YAC is the main source of yardage for these receivers. I imagine they will all be mediocre receivers but there will be no offensive stud coming from this wide receiver trio. This group is performing at the best it can. I can't imagine anything better than last years numbers.www.myfantasyplayers.comwww.twitter.com/raymondkim1

This should affect Ginn more than anyone. His blazing speed makes him the deep threat.

I certainly affects Ginn the most but it also shortens the field for everyone in the passing game. The field not only becomes shorter but more narrow as well. It's more difficult to create separation even in the short to mid range passing game when defenders know they can sit on your routes and jump them more aggressively.

 

[Mooks77]

The ideal guy would have been Marvin Harrison, because of the amount of respect he would have in that young dressing room, but he has signed elsewhere, so Miami has to live without.

Marvin Harrison has not signed with anyone. The Bucs were showing interest but he is still a free agent last I checked.

 

[Ray_T]

The ideal guy would have been Marvin Harrison, because of the amount of respect he would have in that young dressing room, but he has signed elsewhere, so Miami has to live without.

Marvin Harrison has not signed with anyone. The Bucs were showing interest but he is still a free agent last I checked.

maybe I'm out to lunch. I could swear he signed with somebody. Maybe it was just a rumour thread I was reading....either way, Harrison is the guy I'd bring into Miami if I was in charge there. I'd sign him to 1 year Plus an option and I'd get him to show these young WR's how to get it done as a pro...

 

[FUBAR]

It doesn't matter as long as the Dolphins have Chad Pennington as their QB its going to hinder what their WRs can do. The deep ball is no longer an option which definitely inhibits the receivers so YAC is the main source of yardage for these receivers. I imagine they will all be mediocre receivers but there will be no offensive stud coming from this wide receiver trio. This group is performing at the best it can. I can't imagine anything better than last years numbers.

www.myfantasyplayers.com

www.twitter.com/raymondkim1

This should affect Ginn more than anyone. His blazing speed makes him the deep threat.

I certainly affects Ginn the most but it also shortens the field for everyone in the passing game. The field not only becomes shorter but more narrow as well. It's more difficult to create separation even in the short to mid range passing game when defenders know they can sit on your routes and jump them more aggressively.

You'd think so, but with the highest completion %, 3rd best ANY/A, 2nd best rating, 3rd best INT%, 11th most yards per game, and a perfectly average yards per completion, Penny seems to be doing alright.FWIW, he gained more yards per completion than Favre, Peyton, Edwards (I only mention because his top WR is a deep threat) and Eli. Equal to Warner.

 

[loose circuits]

The ideal guy would have been Marvin Harrison, because of the amount of respect he would have in that young dressing room, but he has signed elsewhere, so Miami has to live without.

Marvin Harrison has not signed with anyone. The Bucs were showing interest but he is still a free agent last I checked.

maybe I'm out to lunch. I could swear he signed with somebody. Maybe it was just a rumour thread I was reading....either way, Harrison is the guy I'd bring into Miami if I was in charge there. I'd sign him to 1 year Plus an option and I'd get him to show these young WR's how to get it done as a pro...

and stunt the development of your young guys cause they don't see the field?