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I remeber a lot of people being real high on this dude. I fell for it again and took him, although he buried me last year. Im not the only one who drafted this guy, so was wondering what other owners are thinking? Can you just drop a guy who you select in round 5 or 6 as WR3, or is it too early. Simms is horrible, what was I thinking. TB is in trouble. Is this guy worth a roster spot, right next to my other all american Randy Moss?

 
i too drank the "rebound" kool aid, but it's too early to poor the kool aid out.

he's faced a couple of tough D's - give him another couple of weeks. his upside is far higher than anything to be found on your WW.

 
I plan to dump him tonight. Doesn't appear to be overtaking Galloway as the #1 target and the Bucs' offense just looks so terrible I don't think I'd want to start him even if he were the main guy. I only invested a 10th round (10 team league) pick for him so I don't feel bad pulling the plug this early. Besides, if he starts to show life there's a decent chance I can scoop him back up.

 
i too drank the "rebound" kool aid, but it's too early to poor the kool aid out.he's faced a couple of tough D's - give him another couple of weeks. his upside is far higher than anything to be found on your WW.
The sad part is I dont see simms getting any better. The guy was pedestrian in College, dont know why anyone even drafted the guy. And I think they have no choice but to start him..
 
i too drank the "rebound" kool aid, but it's too early to poor the kool aid out.he's faced a couple of tough D's - give him another couple of weeks. his upside is far higher than anything to be found on your WW.
The sad part is I dont see simms getting any better. The guy was pedestrian in College, dont know why anyone even drafted the guy. And I think they have no choice but to start him..
Ike got quite a few grabs last week.
 
I'm sticking with him for now. I think TB will turn it around on Offense soon. Gruden is one of the great offesive coaches and motivators in the game right now.

 
I dropped him yesterday for Reggie Williams. I've still got my hopes up the Raiders will throw the ball to Moss after the bye, so I took a shot.

 
I remeber a lot of people being real high on this dude. I fell for it again and took him, although he buried me last year. Im not the only one who drafted this guy, so was wondering what other owners are thinking? Can you just drop a guy who you select in round 5 or 6 as WR3, or is it too early. Simms is horrible, what was I thinking. TB is in trouble. Is this guy worth a roster spot, right next to my other all american Randy Moss?
I definitely do not think he warranted a round 5-6 pick.
 
I am going to hang onto him for a few week. I hope he starts to pay well because I would be looking to trade him. Right now his value it too low

 
Clayton was actually targeted 9 times this week making it a total of 16 targets for the season which isn't too shabby. I think he also made the top 10 for red zone targets this week as well but he only had one catch in the red zone. I think the main problem is Simms and the OL, if they can somehow get it together, Clayton will definately get the looks to put up decent numbers.

With that being said.. he's a FA in my league

 
I had the choice between Donte Stallworth or Clayton as my last WR keeper before Donte went to the Eagles. I took Clayton as it sounded like stallworth was going to be enjoying the bench in NO. That sucks and all, but I watched the TB/Falcons game and Clayton wasn't ignored and he didn't make mistakes. If Simms and TB suck then his stock drops, but I think he is a solid WR if things turn around for them. I'm jst keeping my fingers crossed and trying not to overreact.

 
I'm canning him for R. Williams (jac), Colston or Cotchery. He is depth on my roster, and I need the hot WR right now that look like they might keep doing things. . . .Waiting on some of these WR will leaving you like you didnt try.

If Simms & the OL is the whole problem, then why did Galloway drop 160 yards last week?

Not to mention that his last 4 games are Steelers, Falcons, Bears & SB week is the Browns . . . .great for the SB, but not goin to do much gettin you there. . . .I wouldnt feel comfortable starting a guy that could possible have low numbers that many weeks in a row. . . .he can be someone elses headache from now on.

 
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He's had a good amount of targets and catches versus 2 very tough pass defenses. I wouldn't count him out quite yet.

 
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I remeber a lot of people being real high on this dude. I fell for it again and took him, although he buried me last year. Im not the only one who drafted this guy, so was wondering what other owners are thinking? Can you just drop a guy who you select in round 5 or 6 as WR3, or is it too early. Simms is horrible, what was I thinking. TB is in trouble. Is this guy worth a roster spot, right next to my other all american Randy Moss?
Ouch, I got him in rd11 as my 5th WR.
 
He's had a good amount of targets and catches versus 2 very tough pass defenses. I wouldn't count him out quite yet.
so is he a guy to leave in your line up for another week or two and see if he pops, or bench him if/when he does? Its weird, my 3 WRs I drafted to start were R. Moss, R. Smith, and Clayton. My bench looks better at the moment with Williamson, Reggie Brown, and Cotchery...
 
lots of targets, lots of potential if the OLine can get going, if simms can get it going and if carnell can get it going....a whole lotta "ifs"...so, i'm dropping him for either crotchery or colston as my WR#4-5

 
Doesn't appear to be overtaking Galloway as the #1 target
They have completely different roles in the offense, they have completely different skill sets - expecting Clayton to "overtake" Galloway is a mistake. They're complementary not exclusionary. The reason Joey seems to perform better than Clayton is that Joey has much more big play capability than Clayton, so it can be an overall wet blanket game for the offense but still possible for Joey to have a nice day off a couple of his big plays.
 
i too drank the "rebound" kool aid, but it's too early to poor the kool aid out.he's faced a couple of tough D's - give him another couple of weeks. his upside is far higher than anything to be found on your WW.
Higher than Marques Colston?Will answer yours.
 
i too drank the "rebound" kool aid, but it's too early to poor the kool aid out.he's faced a couple of tough D's - give him another couple of weeks. his upside is far higher than anything to be found on your WW.
Housh is on my waiver. Should I cut Clayton?
 
i too drank the "rebound" kool aid, but it's too early to poor the kool aid out.he's faced a couple of tough D's - give him another couple of weeks. his upside is far higher than anything to be found on your WW.
Housh is on my waiver. Should I cut Clayton?
Are you serious? If so, then I'd say yes.I was happy to scoop Clayton off the scrap heap this week. After facing two of the top defenses in the league, he gets to enjoy a bit easier schedule. He doesn't face a tough defense until mid November. I like him to improve as teams load up to stop Caddy and Galloway.
 
He was an 8th round pick for me in a 12 teamer. Even though I drafted him to be my WR3, he hasn't earned the start this week on my team. I won't drop him- I think Gruden will find a way to get the offense going.

With the running game in shambles and the Bucs desperate to win a game, and the likelihood of playing from behind in a lot of games, it would be a mistake to drop Clayton in deeper leagues IMHO. Galloway's performance last week should result in single coverage for Clayton for now. I agree, lots of ifs have to happen for him to return to his 2004 form, but still, too much upside to drop him just yet.

After Carolina the Bucs have the bye week to regroup- if Clayton can't do anything against the Saints in week 6, that may be the time to cut bait on him.

I already cut bait on my WR4 Taylor, and I'm starting to regret it as he showed some signs of life and is the healthiest receiver on the Vikings right now, but he plays the Bears and drops the ball too often. Week 6 against Detroit he'll be a good spot start with so many other WRs on bye, so watch if a disappointed owner drops him.

Don't be the disappointed owner who drops Clayton only to see him light it up on someone else's roster.

 
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I drafted him fairly late in a 14-teamer as my wr4, and I'm not really panicked at all. Bucs got ####ed up vs. Baltimore, so can't put that on him.

And last week, he put up respectable backup WRs for me, 8 pts on the bench.

I'd only cut him if I had shallow rosters and someone like Colton or The Crotch were on the ww.

What a lot of people forget is that last year was the first time Galloway wasn't injured since like 1997. (And I'm not sure that's an exagerration...)

If JG goes down, Clayton should put up WR2 numbers.

If you toss out the BAL game as a total aberration of a team just getting taken it to them wk 1 vs. a top defense, wk 2 wasn't a bad start, so hold on to him if you can.

It's not like we are talking about a guy without talent.

 
johnnyrock62000 said:
I dropped him for my #6 RB M Turner. Needed to handcuff LT2 and nearly waited too long. Can rest easier now.
I was in the same boat as you and needed to grab Turner before someone else did. I opted to drop Reggie Brown instead of Clayton. Clayton has been targeted a lot especially in the redzone. Reggie Brown is the fourth option in Philly behind Westbrook, LJ, and Stallworth...
 
Well, I'm still holding M.C., from what I saw of his play in the preseason, the guy is a beast. But he's getting close to being Waiver Wire fodder.

I'm going to watch how he does with Gradowski and decide from there...

Has anyone decided to cut bait?

 
Well, I'm still holding M.C., from what I saw of his play in the preseason, the guy is a beast. But he's getting close to being Waiver Wire fodder. I'm going to watch how he does with Gradowski and decide from there...Has anyone decided to cut bait?
cut bait in all my redraft leagues, in dynasty i dont own him so..
 
i wonder how clayton will do with a new qb. it was no secret that simms loved Joey G- things may change; just maybe?

 
Well, I'm still holding M.C., from what I saw of his play in the preseason, the guy is a beast. But he's getting close to being Waiver Wire fodder. I'm going to watch how he does with Gradowski and decide from there...Has anyone decided to cut bait?
I literally *just* posted a thread re: Gradkowski that kind of gets at this point. That is, will any Buc WR potentially have value if G at the helm.I own Clayton and will hold on to him for a few more weeks until we see what develops with G at QB. Unless there is a clear wwwr like Furrey still out there, I think you have to hang on to him.Like I said earlier in the post, the guy is talented. He was just dinged up last year, had a bit of the soph slump, and this year, the entire offense has #### the bed. Unless I really need the spot, I'm keeping him for now.
 
Well, I'm still holding M.C., from what I saw of his play in the preseason, the guy is a beast. But he's getting close to being Waiver Wire fodder. I'm going to watch how he does with Gradowski and decide from there...Has anyone decided to cut bait?
I literally *just* posted a thread re: Gradkowski that kind of gets at this point. That is, will any Buc WR potentially have value if G at the helm.I own Clayton and will hold on to him for a few more weeks until we see what develops with G at QB. Unless there is a clear wwwr like Furrey still out there, I think you have to hang on to him.Like I said earlier in the post, the guy is talented. He was just dinged up last year, had a bit of the soph slump, and this year, the entire offense has #### the bed. Unless I really need the spot, I'm keeping him for now.
I just picked up Clayton off waivers, with the hopes that Gradkowski leans on him more than Simms did. I refuse to believe that MC's rookie year was a fluke - rather, it was one of the best rookie WR performances in history. He's got the talent, but clearly the injury hurt him big time last year, and this year the offense has been abysmal. I'm not expecting any big uptick production, but I think better days may be ahead for MC.
 
Gruden's O is a stinker this year. He's a fine offensive coach. While I don't know what the problem is, I have confidence he'll get them going.

 
Clayton warranted nothing more then a 10th round pick IMO. If you took him there or later, then you can't be too disappointed. It was a gamble with big upside that didn't payoff. Didn't cost you much either. I dropped him 1 week ago and moved on.

 
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in about 4 games if he does the same thing it will be safe to call him a bust and i will officialy drop his a**! frikin ike hilliard got more looks and hilliard really does s***!

 
I'm a staunch Clayton supporter, but I just had to turn in my membership card this week. Cut him for TE bye situation (ironically for Alex Smith). Clearly Galloway is the straw that stirs in the drink in that offense. MC's looks will be limited.

Oh well, hopefully the Pats will sign him in FA. :)

 
Haven't dropped him yet, but barring a miraculous turnaround he is just dead weight. I might drop him for a longshot like Chris Perry, Priest, CMart, Trent Green or a handcuff like Davenport.

 
He is the one player that many owners still have faith in,

even after 1 1/2 years of garbage can performances.

It truly boggles the mind.

 
He is the one player that many owners still have faith in,even after 1 1/2 years of garbage can performances.It truly boggles the mind.
I don't own him, but I understand the hesitancy to write him off, especially in dyntasy leagues. It's difficult to look past his stellar rookie campaign--not only because he put up great numbers, but because he looked very good doing so. He did not look like a rookie. Even when Galloway came back week 9, he continued to produce. What boggles my mind is that a guy can play that well as a rookie and then become worthless during his sophomore and junior campaigns. He was just dropped in my dyntasy league, and I'm very likely going to take the plunge and join the club.
 
He is the one player that many owners still have faith in,even after 1 1/2 years of garbage can performances.It truly boggles the mind.
Agreed. He was added to my blacklist after last year.Come up with every excuse. Injuries. Galloway back. What's to say he won't get banged up this year? Next? 2008?So every time he gets banged up, we can expect 32 catches 0 td year? Come on. Even hurt, a good wr still produces. They forced him the ball in 2004, Galloway was hurt, he stopped putting in the extra time, and how quickly things slip away.There's 200+ 4.4 WRs, with good hands, loads of talent. Look at Mike Williams. Take one year off. Lose your drive. Your focus. It's very hard to get that back, to turn it back on. How many comebacks has K-ROB had? 5? 6? Clayton had a historically bad season for a #2 starting WR. You just can't come up with enough excuses to mask that poor of a performance. Just happened his rookie year, was his career year. He's a bad #2 WR. I don't see how that's going to change.
 
He is the one player that many owners still have faith in,even after 1 1/2 years of garbage can performances.It truly boggles the mind.
I don't own him, but I understand the hesitancy to write him off, especially in dyntasy leagues. It's difficult to look past his stellar rookie campaign--not only because he put up great numbers, but because he looked very good doing so. He did not look like a rookie. Even when Galloway came back week 9, he continued to produce. What boggles my mind is that a guy can play that well as a rookie and then become worthless during his sophomore and junior campaigns. He was just dropped in my dyntasy league, and I'm very likely going to take the plunge and join the club.
:goodposting: Dude was lights out as a rookie. I thought he was the next Rod Smith. It's way too early to write off his career. Remember Terry Glenn? Eddie Kennison? Talent doesn't just disappear. There's a reason he was a top 15 pick and there's a reason he had a great rookie year.
 
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Macdaddy_2004 said:
Doesn't look like Gradkowski looked much to him last gameClayton has really looked like he's crapped out again
Could be, although that was just the first game with Gradkowski. But he surely hasn't picked up his game from last year by any stretch.Last year we know about, but it's hard to say what's happened this year. Still, it's not like Galloway has done a ton either in this passing offense. I still like Clayton longer-term, as you have to figure age will catch up to Galloway and/or the team cleans house after this year.
 
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anyone have the target numbers for buccs receivers?
Galloway 35 targets/14 receptions 40% conversionClayton 23 targets/11 receptions 48% conversionIke 16 targets/12 receptions 75% conversionIt's not like Clayton isn't getting his looks. And we all know Galloway has pretty good hands so I think the overlying factor here is poorly thrown passes due to either bad QB play, pressure from the opposing D or just really good coverage. Not really Clayton's fault to me so I'm not going to jump on the 'bad player' bandwagon.
 
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I finally gave up on him, cut him for Welker. He is immensely talented and I expect him to rebound when the Tampa O gets it together; unfortunately I don't expect that to be this year.

 
Sorry... I have not seen the production out of Mi Clayton top warrant keeping him. With the Bye week issues, I dropped him for Jax TE Mercedes Lewis.

Clayton added muscle this off season. Maybe it's not all QB/OL play that has him underperforming.

 
From St Pete Times:

Clayton wants more catches

By STEPHEN F. HOLDER

Published October 13, 2006

TAMPA - Michael Clayton made sure to preface his comments by saying he is a team player who would not want to be anywhere but Tampa Bay.

Seconds later, the receiver got a load off his chest, saying he isn't satisfied with his role.

"I don't really feel like I'm being used to help this team the way I can be," he said Thursday. "Sometimes I feel like I'm not involved. So I have to do what I have to do, block and all that."

Clayton, in his third season, is regarded as one of the team's better blockers and most physical receivers. But after catching 80 passes as a rookie, he had only 32 while playing through injuries last season and has no touchdowns since Dec. 26, 2004.

By all accounts, Clayton is healthy. Yet he has just 10 receptions for 117 yards.

"They know this," Clayton said when asked whether he has talked to the coaching staff. "It's common sense. When you have players who can make plays, you get them the ball."

But it might not be that simple. Joey Galloway, 34, is coming off a career season and is the team's biggest deep threat. He has 14 catches for 279 yards. Even Clayton admits Galloway should be the first option. But that doesn't explain, for example, throwing to scarcely used rookie Maurice Stovall in a goal-line situation Sunday while Clayton watched from the sideline at New Orleans.

"Joey Galloway is an excellent player. Me, if I was a coach, I would say let's get the ball to that guy," Clayton said. "But at the same time, I'm a player. I want to make plays, and I haven't made plays since my rookie year. It's easy to say that when you're not winning. Last year it was the same situation, but we were winning. I kept my mouth shut about that. And even now, I'm not really complaining. It's just that I'm a competitor and I want to be able to make plays."

Asked about Clayton's performance, coach Jon Gruden said, "He looks good. I think he's close to being back to the Mike Clayton that we drafted and we remember. He's working his tail off. I'm really pleased with the progress he's made."

As for whether he could do anything more to get Clayton involved, the coach added, "We had a couple of pretty good looks in Atlanta, and we weren't able to get him the ball. But good things happen to those who wait, I'm told. We'll try to get him some looks down there in the red zone."

Clayton, who turns 24 today, said: "Now, it's just a matter of waiting patiently for an opportunity to make it happen. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, then oh, well. I want to be here. I want to be in Tampa. I don't want to go anywhere. I want this to be my home for a long time.

"It's basically, right now, I play my role. I'm okay with that. If that's how it is, then I'll just play my role. It's not that I'll be satisfied, but if that's what they want me to do, then that's what I'll do. You won't hear anything out of me."

 

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