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Michael Turner - Dynasty (1 Viewer)

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Just seems like he's been declining since his big year. Now even an average year would be a decline to that, he just doesn't seem like the same back. Are durability questions alone enough to warrant moving him in Keepers and Dynasty? How long can you get 1st round value for him? Who's he worth trading for?

Will Snelling get more looks if only to rest Turner, now that Snelling has proven he can do the job?

 
GManiac said:
Homer said:
Your window to sell high on Turner is about 24 months late.
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I'm not saying sell high. Im just saying how long is he worth riding out before the next decrease in value.
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If you can win this year, he's still a guy who can help a contender win a championship.If you're even a fringe contender, waiting beyond this year will knock his value down even further, and you'll no longer get RB1 value for him. If he's not a difference maker, it's time to move him to a team where he will be.In a league where I had Roethlisberger, VJax, and Santonio, I took this year to rebuild, and the first move I made was to trade Turner to a boderline contender for Beanie Wells and a first round pick. His pick is now looking like a top 4 pick, maybe top 3. If I had waited till after this year, or even till now, I wouldn't have gotten that.
 
After having him for years, I sold Turner today with Jason Snelling & Ray Lewis for Miles Austin, Paris Lenon & a 2012 second rounder.

Happy with what I got for him, think he's definitely still trade-able.

 
Remember, there's a strong possibility that the NFL has a lockout next season. If they do, then the next time Michael Turner takes the field, he'll be 30 years old. Something to strongly consider.

 
I have him in a dynasty, but my team is killing it without him. I'm just waiting for those huge weeks to hit. We almost had one, but Snelling got the points. I don't view him any differently than I did in the preseason. Think about it this way, if he doesn't come out of that Cardinals game and only gets 60% of what Snelling did in that game (a game he was held out of because Mike Smith viewed him as too valuable to insert back in during a rout), you are looking at what...another 100 rushing, maybe 20 receiving and a touchdown. So say instead of getting 7 he gets 27 fp.

Then you look at the Steelers game. Well, they are the Steelers. Toughest Defense in the NFL so I give him a pass on that one. The 49ers were disappointing, but they have some bite on defense as well. It was a dogfight of a game. He didn't go well.

We are only 4 games into the season, Cleveland is on the horizon, followed by the undersized Eagles front. From here on out, there are only 3 top 15 rush defenses.

Turner is a great buy for a team on the cusp of contending. He's a hold as well, and only a sell later on after he feasts on Cleveland, Philly, and GB.

 
im considering selling Turner for Heyward Bey and a 1st rd pick in next yrs rookie draft. I dont necessarily need Turner although I have one of the better teams in the league. It would be nice to have him but over the years I have seen guys like Turner go away and I get nothing in return. The other owner wants a Turner because he is a fringe contender and Turner makes his team better right now. he is a division rival, but having his 1st next yr would be nice. Youth is crucial and Turner just isnt great. I think it is time to sell.

 
Like Ricky Williams last year, he's a player that should get moved a lot. Makes a lot of sense for teams 1RB short to buy him, and makes a lot of sense for teams out of it or with better youth to bail.

Snelling is still a lowcost handcuff too.

 
I announced that I was willing to deal Snelling/Turner combo three weeks ago and haven't gotten a single offer.

 
There's a lot of leagues I'd give a 1st plus a flier WR (DHB or better) for the combo. Even leagues where I'm stacked at RB. No one wants Snelling on his own, but if you're trying to build up your team for the stretch, his inclusion in the deal gives you a lot of power and safety.

 
non PPR deep keeper (8/9 keepers), traded Turner for Calvin straight up before week 4....

EDIT: Doh....HOMER.....got my leagues mixed up....the above is in actuality a 1 pt PPR league.....

 
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GOroute said:
im considering selling Turner for Heyward Bey and a 1st rd pick in next yrs rookie draft. I dont necessarily need Turner although I have one of the better teams in the league. It would be nice to have him but over the years I have seen guys like Turner go away and I get nothing in return. The other owner wants a Turner because he is a fringe contender and Turner makes his team better right now. he is a division rival, but having his 1st next yr would be nice. Youth is crucial and Turner just isnt great. I think it is time to sell.
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Any feel for how high a 1st? Second half of the round can be sparse if not IDP. Call me crazy but I equate DHB with 5-6 Fig Newtons.
 
The vallyes with Turner are too deep and frequent for my liking. I think he is very over-rated as a fantasy player, and if owners can get buyers who will pay an RB1 price after his next big week, they would be wise to take it.

Regards,

THE FANTASY KING

 
My zealot team is 0-4 out of the gates and Im thin at RB with Mendenhall, D williams/ Stewart, Turner and jacobs (faulk lost for season). Someone offered his 1st and third for turner (mentioned earlier) and I took it. I was in this predicament before with LT2 and I sold LT2 and a 2nd after the 2006 season for Calvin, Jacobs and a 1st (turned out to be mendenhall).

Everyones value on a player is different.

 
Just got told Turner isn't as valuable as Fitzgerald or Wayne by the Bowe owner who offered Bowe/Longwell this week. You want to argue Fitzgerald, fine (no QB = questionable productivity IMO), but Turner > Wayne though I could use the WR help.

I hope Turner goes for 150/3 TDs this week.

 
bweiser said:
Just got told Turner isn't as valuable as Fitzgerald or Wayne by the Bowe owner who offered Bowe/Longwell this week. You want to argue Fitzgerald, fine (no QB = questionable productivity IMO), but Turner > Wayne though I could use the WR help. I hope Turner goes for 150/3 TDs this week.
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i would much rather have Fitz then Turner, it's not even close.I'd also take Wayne over him but can understand someone valuing Turner more.What he does this week really shouldn't affect his dynasty value one bit, unless he gets a major injury.
 
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bweiser said:
Just got told Turner isn't as valuable as Fitzgerald or Wayne by the Bowe owner who offered Bowe/Longwell this week. You want to argue Fitzgerald, fine (no QB = questionable productivity IMO), but Turner > Wayne though I could use the WR help. I hope Turner goes for 150/3 TDs this week.
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i would much rather have Fitz then Turner, it's not even close.I'd also take Wayne over him but can understand someone valuing Turner more.What he does this week really shouldn't affect his dynasty value one bit, unless he gets a major injury.
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No, this week doesn't matter, but owners in my league are a little short-sighted. So they look at 3 average games in 4 and say, 'he's done.' As for Fitzgerald, you offer me Bowe, I am coming back just as off the wall. I think Wayne and Turner have about the same shelf life left, so I think that's pretty fair. But Wayne is someone who has been on the guy's team for years and some owners just have a hard time trading away guys like that.
 
Turner is a bye low. He really is. People that don't see this are going to regret it. He's played two top defenses already, he has a cake schedule down the road with the 15, 25, 13, 28, 19, 18, 22, 28, 17, 3, 24 ranked rush defenses (mfl rankings). That's exactly 2 top half rush defenses. He's going to feast on teams that can't stop the run.

 
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Buy in a redraft or a win now dynasty / sell if you are a dynasty rebuilder. Should be fine next year but his value is pointed down. I dealt Andre Johnson for him in a redraft auction after week 1 ... was starting the likes of Hightower, Bush, etc at RB2 opposite Gore and am loaded at WR. I am tops in points so far just need to avoid major injury over 14-16.

 
Ariakis said:
Buy in a redraft or a win now dynasty / sell if you are a dynasty rebuilder. Should be fine next year but his value is pointed down. I dealt Andre Johnson for him in a redraft auction after week 1 ... was starting the likes of Hightower, Bush, etc at RB2 opposite Gore and am loaded at WR. I am tops in points so far just need to avoid major injury over 14-16.
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I've been trying to get Andre Johnson for him for years. Guy needs RBs and won't do it. I don't blame him.
 
bweiser said:
Ariakis said:
Buy in a redraft or a win now dynasty / sell if you are a dynasty rebuilder. Should be fine next year but his value is pointed down. I dealt Andre Johnson for him in a redraft auction after week 1 ... was starting the likes of Hightower, Bush, etc at RB2 opposite Gore and am loaded at WR. I am tops in points so far just need to avoid major injury over 14-16.
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I've been trying to get Andre Johnson for him for years. Guy needs RBs and won't do it. I don't blame him.
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I'd laugh if I got offered Turner for AJ...Calvin...ok Roddy...and prob Jennings too
 
Sabertooth said:
Turner is a bye low. He really is. People that don't see this are going to regret it. He's played two top defenses already, he has a cake schedule down the road with the 15, 25, 13, 28, 19, 18, 22, 28, 17, 3, 24 ranked rush defenses (mfl rankings). That's exactly 2 top half rush defenses. He's going to feast on teams that can't stop the run.
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Unfortunately for Michael Turner, dynasty leagues extend beyond this season. You won't find much love for a guy who, if there's a lockout next season, will be 30 the next time he plays.
 
In a 16 team Dynasty, Just traded Michael Turner, Brandon Jackson, James Davis for Greg jennings and Jahvid Best.

Think he took it because Turner/Jackson just happened to have good games this week and Hillis got dinged up. I guess it doesn't hurt that Jennings has sucked so far this season. But thought it was worth a shot. So it seems like with a couple of shiny additions, you could get a borderline WR 1 and a RB 2 for Turner. Worth looking in to for those with him in long term leagues.

 
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Was thinking of offering

Turner, Snelling, Roy Williams

for

Djax, Dwill, Stewart

to a team in second. Any shot here?

 
Clifford said:
Was thinking of offeringTurner, Snelling, Roy WilliamsforDjax, Dwill, Stewartto a team in second. Any shot here?
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Ummmm, no. This is a dynasty thread.Id rather have dwill or stewart then turner by themselves and djax>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROY.No offense but that offer is horrendous.
 
Wow, well, in that case I'll be keeping Turner. For some reason his perceived value just doesn't seem to get anywhere near his real value.

 
Clifford said:
Wow, well, in that case I'll be keeping Turner. For some reason his perceived value just doesn't seem to get anywhere near his real value.
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I tried Turner / Snelling for Roddy / Jstew early in the year, got laughed out of the room. (Rightfully so I guess)
 
Clifford said:
Wow, well, in that case I'll be keeping Turner. For some reason his perceived value just doesn't seem to get anywhere near his real value.
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Um, that package is too much for any player in the entire league, and that includes Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Andre Johnson, etc. It is certainly way too much for a 28 year old Michael Turner.
 
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
Clifford said:
Wow, well, in that case I'll be keeping Turner. For some reason his perceived value just doesn't seem to get anywhere near his real value.
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Um, that package is too much for any player in the entire league, and that includes Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Andre Johnson, etc. It is certainly way too much for a 28 year old Michael Turner.
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No clue what clifford is thinking.Dwill/stewart/turner are all ranked about the same in most rankings, so he basically wants one of dwill or stewart thrown in for free + wants the HUGE upgrade from ROY to Djax.Snelling is fairly worthless in dynasty so he shouldn't really even be in the discussion when assessing the deal.I don't understand how some can have such bizarre valuations in trade talks.
 
rowmacks said:
Clifford said:
Wow, well, in that case I'll be keeping Turner. For some reason his perceived value just doesn't seem to get anywhere near his real value.
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I tried Turner / Snelling for Roddy / Jstew early in the year, got laughed out of the room. (Rightfully so I guess)
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I wouldn't trade Roddy for Turner/Snelling, and I wouldn't trade Stewart for Turner/Snelling. I certainly wouldn't trade both of them together for Turner/Snelling.
 
SSOG said:
rowmacks said:
Clifford said:
Wow, well, in that case I'll be keeping Turner. For some reason his perceived value just doesn't seem to get anywhere near his real value.
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I tried Turner / Snelling for Roddy / Jstew early in the year, got laughed out of the room. (Rightfully so I guess)
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I wouldn't trade Roddy for Turner/Snelling, and I wouldn't trade Stewart for Turner/Snelling. I certainly wouldn't trade both of them together for Turner/Snelling.
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This tells me everything I need to know. This is just plain unreasonable. Stewart is currently locked in on the wrong end of a time share, has been hurt with some ailment his entire career, and is averaging 3.3 ypc. I'll gladly keep the much more productive ATL backfield for the next 7-8 years.I view Turner/Snelling as a major upgrade to the DWill/Stewart owner considering that neither CAR back has really been startable all year, and given the fact that they still have no QB, no viable WR2, and a good chance DWill comes back next year, there's a really good chance neither will be startable next year.

Granted, everyone on this board hates Roy and has branded him dead in the water despite two straight weeks with Wr1 numbers. Fine, I get that. But to say offering the ATL backfield for the CAR backfield is ridiculous is just myopic. At some point you have to look at actual production, not name value and perceived talent.

But like I said, if Turner's perceived value is that low I'll gladly ride him into the ground and enjoy Snelling when he hits the pasture.

 
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Clifford said:
SSOG said:
rowmacks said:
Clifford said:
Wow, well, in that case I'll be keeping Turner. For some reason his perceived value just doesn't seem to get anywhere near his real value.
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I tried Turner / Snelling for Roddy / Jstew early in the year, got laughed out of the room. (Rightfully so I guess)
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I wouldn't trade Roddy for Turner/Snelling, and I wouldn't trade Stewart for Turner/Snelling. I certainly wouldn't trade both of them together for Turner/Snelling.
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This tells me everything I need to know. This is just plain unreasonable. Stewart is currently locked in on the wrong end of a time share, has been hurt with some ailment his entire career, and is averaging 3.3 ypc. I'll gladly keep the much more productive ATL backfield for the next 7-8 years.But to say offering the ATL backfield for the CAR backfield is ridiculous is just myopic. At some point you have to look at actual production, not name value and perceived talent.

But like I said, if Turner's perceived value is that low I'll gladly ride him into the ground and enjoy Snelling when he hits the pasture.
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I assume you're new to dynasty leagues. You're not offering the atlanta backfield for the carolina backfield, you are offering turner/snelling for dwill/stewart. This is a dynasty thread, situations change overnight.Snelling is not a lock to take over for turner, the odds are he might not even be on atlanta and he isn't the kind of talent to be given a starting rb job anyway. He's worth very little in a dynasty league.

Also the way your posting short term stats shows that in fact you are looking at it myopically, not the rest of the dynasty world who finds your view ridiculous.

 
Michael Turner is fast becoming Clinton Portis of a couple years ago - all of the owners will insist that he's still very valuable while constantly trying to trade him away at stud prices, and all of the buyers will avoid him like the plague. It may be true that it is more a perception problem than one with reality, but perception is a large part of what dictates trade value.

Regards,

THE FANTASY KING

 
THE FANTASY KING said:
Michael Turner is fast becoming Clinton Portis of a couple years ago - all of the owners will insist that he's still very valuable while constantly trying to trade him away at stud prices, and all of the buyers will avoid him like the plague. It may be true that it is more a perception problem than one with reality, but perception is a large part of what dictates trade value.Regards,THE FANTASY KING
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