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Michael Turner- Offseason 2008 (4 Viewers)

jeter23

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Last offseason, we had a very long discussion filled with predictions, rumors, and ultimately, disappointment for many Turner dynasty owners. With most title games ending tonight, let the chatter begin.

Last season at this time, one question many avoided was would he leave the Chargers. Selfishly, I wanted Turner to become a starter so all of my thoughts on the topic went towards deciding which team would get the honor of acquiring a top 5 RB. Instead, nothing happened and he had a fairly quiet season backing up LT. Now, as a UFA, we know he will be leaving San Diego and will sign with a new team. Most assume he will be given starter money and a starting job.

Which teams would be in the market for a starting RB this offseason?

Cleveland?

Detroit?

Chicago?

Seattle?

Oakland?

Denver? :excited:

 
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Hopefully CHI-town now that Benson has failed. He won't cost much and would be a CHI-town bargain. Good fit, right offense.

 
I think locals will clamor for Turner, but the Bears have more pressing needs. If I'm Cleveland, I stick with Lewis there. He played at a high level this year.

Obviously who fills the HC slot will play a big part, but I definitely would throw Atlanta on the Turner list. I expect Benson/Alexander back with CHicago/Seattle.

 
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Is the demand really going to be that high for him?

From that list, I only see Oakland or Cleveland as good fit.

I think Chicago, Seattle and Denver wont make plays unless he comes at a reasonable price.

Considering the other FAs...

J.Lewis

J.Jones

MBIII

Duckett

Chris Brown

Lamont?

Not to mention early draft picks....

McFadden and Mendenhal

I just dont see anyone breaking the bank or jumping to give Turner a feature role this offseason.

Just a guess, I'll say Oakland or Houston

 
jeter23 said:
Last offseason, we had a very long discussion filled with predictions, rumors, and ultimately, disappointment for many Turner dynasty owners. With most title games ending tonight, let the chatter begin.Last season at this time, one question many avoided was would he leave the Chargers. Selfishly, I wanted Turner to become a starter so all of my thoughts on the topic went towards deciding which team would get the honor of acquiring a top 5 RB. Instead, nothing happened and he had a fairly quiet season backing up LT. Now, as a UFA, we know he will be leaving San Diego and will sign with a new team. Most assume he will be given starter money and a starting job. Which teams would be in the market for a starting RB this offseason?Cleveland? Detroit?Chicago?Seattle?Oakland?Denver? :thumbup:
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I have him in a RB-heavy MOX league so I'm very interested as well.CLE? I doubt it. More likely to re-sign Jamal who had a good year there, knows the system, would probably be cheaper.DET? I think they'll still plan on KJ long term and will want a cheaper stopgap (again). CHI? Maybe, but they just don't seem to be a very smart or proactive bunch when it comes to the offense.SEA? No. They'll go with SA/Morris again. Holmgren is still excusing SA's year as due to the wrist injury (weird, huh?)OAK? Again, doubtful. With Russell at QB, I think they'll want a RB already familiar with the team and system, not another new guy in the backfield. Kiffin hopes to have a Fargas/Rhodes/Bush combo there.DEN? They won't go elsewhere with Young, Henry, and/or Hall around. $$$ needs to go to defense.Let's see who ends up coaching ATL. Turner could go there. Tampa possibly. Maybe the Jets. But I like his chances of going to HOU. They would be my #1 guess.
 
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I see his top 3 suitors as: Atlanta, Houston, Oakland. :lmao:

(I would of thought Kubiak would of been from the Denver 'plug in a RB and produce' train of thought, but then they went a gave decent coin to Ahman. I believe they'll be giving him $8 million total for 2007). Best case scenario would be for him (Turner) to land in Houston. Turner gives them the home run threat they need & they've got the passing tools there to prevent teams from stacking the line.

Despite more pressing needs, I don't see NYJ passing on McFadden if in position to select him. I've always been a guy to take the best player available despite need.

 
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While the bank will need to be robbed to pay Turner, it may be best for an RB needy team to drraft McFadden, Mendenhall or Stewart.

I think the NFL is finding RB's more expendable than paying the big money.

Also, Adrian Peterson played well when given the chance, same with Ryan Grant.

Due to this reference above statement on paying big money to Turner.

 
I'd rather see the Bears spend the money on OT Jordan Gross and then draft a couple of O-Linemen in Rounds 1 and 3 sandwiched around a 2nd round QB.

 
i don't see him breaking the bank. i'm not sure if he's even going to get the money thomas jones got 3 years ago from the bears. green bay seemed like a good fit, but management seems happy with ryan grant.

he'll probably wind up somewhere that will surprise everyone. someone who is a starter will get cut because they're owed a ton of money on march 1 and they'll turn to turner.

wherever, he goes, i just hope he gets his shot so we can see if he's actually any good.

 
Wilbur Wood said:
War Ensemble said:
Limp Ditka said:
The answer is too high in your FF draft.
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Turner's stock has dropped quite a bit. Lamont Jordan, Part II. Sproles was more productive
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Yeah, in one game vs. the pathetic Lions on the road when MT got hurt, Sproles was better. He was also better than LT in that game. :) If MT next year does what Jordan did in his first year after signing with the Raiders, MT is certainly worth a high pick.
 
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i dont know, but were going to find out sometime in the next 90 days . who knows , maybe he pulls a betts and resigns for a song and dance.......... wool over my turner dynasty eyes :)

 
Turner will have interest. I am not sure that he will get crazy money, but is a contract like Ahman Green's last off season really a significant amount in today's NFL? Teams in the middle or late first round who have the cap room will not want to wait to see if the draft falls favorably for them. Also, I think RB is the one position where the unexpected tends to happens. a team that does not "need" one will make a FA or draft move.

As for his FF value, he has been speculated for so long that the owners would have him are treating Turner as they would high NFL draft pick, so getting him even after a season where he was a non-factor will not be cheap.

 
Why are most of you saying Oakland? They are 6th in the entire NFL in rushing and will have Michael Bush added to the mix next season. It has been proven you don't need a top r back to succeed in the NFL. Look at New England this decade. What has SanDiego done with Tomlinson there? A. Peterson and the Vikings won't even make the playoffs.

How old will Turner be at the start of next season?

 
I think some folks will allow the nonsense that infected this board to cloud their opinions about what happens with Turner.

He has very low mileage, and the kind of body and style NFL teams crave in their running backs. He's thick, runs low, and has breakaway speed. There's no red flags that suggest he can't handle a heavy workload, and has done well against NFL teams, unlike every kid in college. He's gotten less action this year, but has his stock dropped? I dunno.

But it only takes one team to fall in love for him to get a big deal. And I don't think price will be as much of an issue. Almost every NFL team is in good shape, cap-wise.

I think only a few teams will make serious offers, but I think many teams will at least make a phone call.

Oakland? This Raider fan would love it, but I think they'll look elsewhere.

Cleveland? If I was Cleveland, I'd do it, I'm not a believer in Jamal.

Tennessee? They should. IMO.

Green Bay? Is Ryan Grant the answer? Either way, they have very little salary in the RB position.

Chicago? Probably not ready to give up on Ced.

Arizona? Why not? Should at least discuss it. I am unaware of Edge's contract status.

Atlanta? For sure. they need a proven back right away.

Denver? Again, I think they should look at him, but i don't think they will.

 
bluesclues said:
While the bank will need to be robbed to pay Turner, it may be best for an RB needy team to drraft McFadden, Mendenhall or Stewart.

I think the NFL is finding RB's more expendable than paying the big money.

Also, Adrian Peterson played well when given the chance, same with Ryan Grant.

Due to this reference above statement on paying big money to Turner.
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The Chicago guy?
 
I'm saying Dallas

They kick JJ to the curb and have the best RB tandem in the league with Barber/Turner

Wade knows him well and he would also do all the kick returns.

This would happen of course because i own him in a keeper league and he would be rendered almost useless.

 
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I'm saying Dallas They kick JJ to the curb and have the best RB tandem in the league with Barber/Turner Wade knows him well and he would also do all the kick returns. This would happen of course because i own him in a keeper league and he would be rendered almost useless.
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:goodposting: Count me in that group that believes he'll be here in '08.
 
Jeff Tefertiller said:
I have not seen the Jets mentioned. Is there a chanc Tom Jones is gone from the GREEN?
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I mentioned them briefly in post #6. I don't think they would view a RB change as a pressing need though, with so many other things they need to shore up. If that team doesn't get some help to stop the run it'll be another looooooooong year. Also, they seem to be a team who would want to get their future RB in the draft if choose to replace Jones.
 
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The Man With No Name said:
Why are most of you saying Oakland? They are 6th in the entire NFL in rushing and will have Michael Bush added to the mix next season. It has been proven you don't need a top r back to succeed in the NFL. Look at New England this decade. What has SanDiego done with Tomlinson there? A. Peterson and the Vikings won't even make the playoffs. How old will Turner be at the start of next season?
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Naming teams with good running backs and mediocre/bad passing games to prove your point isn't helping the cause. Cherry-picking to prove a theory true doesn't work too well, and will mislead (at best) people who are reading too quickly and not thinking.
 
First blush, I'd say HOU or NYJ. The latter, if they really think they need a RB, could take McFadden (currently picking #4) instead, but hopefully they're smarter than that.

-=kwantam

(of course, for the most part teams at the top of the draft are there because they aren't smart...)

 
Magic_Man said:
He's overrated on FF forums. He's a career backup.
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So were Willie Parker, Earnest Graham, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber (still is), Justin Fargas, Kenny Watson, and Brandon Jacobs.You don't know until they get the chance. Plain and simple. And Turner unquestionably will get his shot in 2008.
 
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Let me be the first to say that Seattle is not out of the question. Not saying it will happen, but I don't think you can rule it out.

Holmgren is a very smart coach of a playoff-bound team. He knows a grumpy Shaun Alexander is not good for the team. So he will stroke his ego and defend him in the press and to the fans. It does not mean that Alexander will be back.

Also, Ruskell will decide whether Alexander stays or not. This is not Holmgren's call. Ruskell is pretty smart with the cap. Alexander, IIRC, has a large cap number. If that money is better spent elsewhere, Ruskell won't hesitate to cut Alexander.

Morris is a good fit as the change of pace, pass-catching back. But he is not the grind-it-out-short-yardage-guy. The Seahawks have been HORRIBLE in short yardage situations. This team needs a back that has a high success rate on short yardage. Not sure who that is, but I am confident that if Alexander is gone, Ruskell will bring in a second back to fill that role.

So if Turner is determined to be a good fit for the Holmgren offense and the Alexander cap cost is too high, the Seahawks might go after him. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if the Seahawks went for MBIII. IMO, a better fit for the Seahawks. He would be a great fit with Hasslebeck, Hackett, Branch, and Engram. The finesse team needs a guy with an attitude like MBIII.

Short story: don't count out the Hawks, but don't expect it either.

 
Couch Potato said:
Jeff Tefertiller said:
I have not seen the Jets mentioned. Is there a chanc Tom Jones is gone from the GREEN?
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I mentioned them briefly in post #6. I don't think they would view a RB change as a pressing need though, with so many other things they need to shore up. If that team doesn't get some help to stop the run it'll be another looooooooong year. Also, they seem to be a team who would want to get their future RB in the draft if choose to replace Jones.
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Sorry, Spud, did not mean to slight you. Mangini strikes me a s a guy that wants to run the ball. That is the main reason I think they are a possibility.
 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Magic_Man said:
He's overrated on FF forums. He's a career backup.
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So were Willie Parker, Earnest Graham, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber (still is), Justin Fargas, Kenny Watson, and Brandon Jacobs.You don't know until they get the chance. Plain and simple. And Turner unquestionably will get his shot in 2008.
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1 season does not a career make. :kicksrock: Pretty much everyone there except Jacobs, FWP & Barber haven't done anything outside of 1 season. Does that mean they will never do anythin good again? No, but there are always 1 season wonders.My OPINION of Turner is that he will not succeed as the main guy.
 
I am not looking to throw bait in the water here, but the Jets? No way in heil!

Everyone thought T Jones would have a good year in NY. He didn't. Everyone thought it was a lack of talent at RB was the reason the Jets rush offnse sucked in 2006. It wasn't. I said as much on these boards.... I told people that TJ was gonna have a very disappointing year. I said it wasn't the RB's that were the problem it was the O line. It still is. Turner, or for that matter McFadden can't fix the Jets putrid running game either.

The Jets have a OLT that can't run block... he can get outside on a sweep well enough, but Ferguson is a lousy drive blocker. The Jets have NO OLG. NONE. Zero, nada, ziltch. The ORG is average at best, and the ORT sucks. That's 4 O linemen that can't run block.

Now, after giving TJ a bucket of money, people think the Jets will admit that was a mistake? Not on yer life. Turner will NOT go to the Jets, and neither will McFadden. Mangini has to fix this team, or he will be on the unemplyment line next December. That means getting a O lineman in FA, and drafting two more with a trade down. If he doesn't, he is a moron. Seriously.

I could see Turner going to Atlanta, I think Blank will pay him. Oakland? I don't think so.... they will RBBC with Bush and Fargas. GB maybe, but they are tightwads when it comes to FA's. If Favre comes back, he might be able to influence that. I could actually see LJ getting traded, and Turner to KC. Dallas is a possibilty, Jones likes to make big splashes. I also would not rule out NE.... Maroney and Turner.... classic NE move. Denver is always a possibility. I don;t think Jamal will get demoted after this year, but Rudi... maybe. Seattle is a wild card.... they just might try to replace a sub par SA. Mo Morris isn;t the answer. I hate when I hit ; instead of '. That is all.

 
Rovers said:
If he doesn't, he is a moron. Seriously.
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I agree that a RB move by the NYJ would be stupid, but that doesn't even come close to ruling it out :mellow:
I could see Turner going to Atlanta, I think Blank will pay him. Oakland? I don't think so.... they will RBBC with Bush and Fargas. GB maybe, but they are tightwads when it comes to FA's. If Favre comes back, he might be able to influence that. I could actually see LJ getting traded, and Turner to KC. Dallas is a possibilty, Jones likes to make big splashes. I also would not rule out NE.... Maroney and Turner.... classic NE move. Denver is always a possibility. I don;t think Jamal will get demoted after this year, but Rudi... maybe. Seattle is a wild card.... they just might try to replace a sub par SA. Mo Morris isn;t the answer. I hate when I hit ; instead of '. That is all.
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Honestly, you don't see Houston in the mix? Really?-=kwantam
 
I doubt you'll see another rb in NE in addition to Maroney. If they make any kind of move there it would be to replace Maroney. I'd love to see the barbarian, but he could probably get a lot more elsewhere.

 
[scooter] said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Magic_Man said:
He's overrated on FF forums. He's a career backup.
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So were Willie Parker, Earnest Graham, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber (still is), Justin Fargas, Kenny Watson, and Brandon Jacobs.
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Grant is a rookie, Parker was a 2nd year player, and Brandon Jacobs was pegged for the starter's job midway through his 2nd year.
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Circumstances (Barber premature retirement, 3 years out of college Ryan Grant traded to Pack, Parker due to Bettis/Staley injuries) thrust them on the scene and they took full advantage of it. And Turner will see that same opportunity this offseason.Again, all were career backups. And as they've shown, being a career backup gives no indication who can/can't perform on this level. Opportunity and situation plays as great of part as anything.

 
Rovers said:
I don;t think Jamal will get demoted after this year, but Rudi... maybe. Seattle is a wild card.... they just might try to replace a sub par SA. Mo Morris isn;t the answer. I hate when I hit ; instead of '. That is all.
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That's one that I haven't thought of, but the Bengals getting an RB makes sense, the Cincinnati offense has taken a hit with the deterioration of Rudi. I think more likely though Cincy would ride Rudi out again...they stink because they make changes behind the curve instead of ahead of them.
 
Earlier this year I was thinking he would end up in Cleveland. But with the way Jamal has been playing, I think the Browns are going to re-sign him. The only way that doesn't happen is if Jamal asks for an unreasonable amount of guaranteed money and the team feels that it can spend that money on a younger back who has more years left such as Turner.

The place that really jumps out to me now is Houston. Dayne is, well Dayne, and Ahman Green is all done. They tried to squeak another year or two out of him and he only lasted a few games. Darius Walker is certainly not the answer. Houston signing Turner makes the most sense in my opinion. They get a young RB to pair Andre Johnson and Schaub with, and can still use their first round pick on upgrading the defense, or their offensive line. Plus, I may be wrong but I thought that Turner was well-suited for the cut back system that Kubiak employs in Houston.

Outside of those teams I think the other possibilities are Atlanta (will know more after they get their coach; Norwood may finally get his chance though), and maybe the Jets (although I just don't see them going with Turner when Jones and Leon Washington are serviceable and they have so many other needs).

The other teams that looked into signing Turner last year are no longer options in my opinion:

Tennessee -- No. Lendale and Chris Henry appear to be the tandem heading into next year.

Green Bay -- Ryan Grant has emerged.

Buffalo -- drafted Lynch.

Finally, I just don't see the Raiders going after Turner. If they really want to go after a RB, I could see them making a play for McFadden. Al Davis would rather go for a flashy rookie than a guy like Turner. Plus, the Lamont Jordan experiment may cause the team from shying away from going after another career backup, free agent RB like Turner.

 
snarfsnarf said:
Rovers said:
I don;t think Jamal will get demoted after this year, but Rudi... maybe. Seattle is a wild card.... they just might try to replace a sub par SA. Mo Morris isn;t the answer. I hate when I hit ; instead of '. That is all.
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That's one that I haven't thought of, but the Bengals getting an RB makes sense, the Cincinnati offense has taken a hit with the deterioration of Rudi. I think more likely though Cincy would ride Rudi out again...they stink because they make changes behind the curve instead of ahead of them.
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I think the Bengals are going to spend their money on the defense. They are better off signing free agents for the defense and rolling with Rudi, Watson, or maybe even Irons if they have to next year instead of signing Turner and having their defense pretty much return intact next season.
 
gheemony said:
Let me be the first to say that Seattle is not out of the question. Not saying it will happen, but I don't think you can rule it out.Holmgren is a very smart coach of a playoff-bound team. He knows a grumpy Shaun Alexander is not good for the team. So he will stroke his ego and defend him in the press and to the fans. It does not mean that Alexander will be back.Also, Ruskell will decide whether Alexander stays or not. This is not Holmgren's call. Ruskell is pretty smart with the cap. Alexander, IIRC, has a large cap number. If that money is better spent elsewhere, Ruskell won't hesitate to cut Alexander.Morris is a good fit as the change of pace, pass-catching back. But he is not the grind-it-out-short-yardage-guy. The Seahawks have been HORRIBLE in short yardage situations. This team needs a back that has a high success rate on short yardage. Not sure who that is, but I am confident that if Alexander is gone, Ruskell will bring in a second back to fill that role.So if Turner is determined to be a good fit for the Holmgren offense and the Alexander cap cost is too high, the Seahawks might go after him. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if the Seahawks went for MBIII. IMO, a better fit for the Seahawks. He would be a great fit with Hasslebeck, Hackett, Branch, and Engram. The finesse team needs a guy with an attitude like MBIII.Short story: don't count out the Hawks, but don't expect it either.
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:thumbup: Seattle was the first team to my mind as well as far as "need". Not sure how the contract implications of Alexander come into play.
 
coolnerd said:
Also, I think RB is the one position where the unexpected tends to happens. a team that does not "need" one will make a FA or draft move.
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:unsure: A team no one is talking about that would be smart to make a play for Turner: New Orleans.Reggie Bush isn't the future feature back, and Deuce McAllister has just sustained too many injuries.
 
cannot wait to watch this guy run next year. I don't care if he busts or not, after sitting on him for 2+ years I wanna see what he's really got.

I am saying he goes to houston as of now, and thats where I would prefer him to go. Cleveland is my second choice, I don't see them making the same mistake seattle did by re-signing a used up rb like jamal lewis.

 
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