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Michael Vick Reinstated by the NFL (1 Viewer)

Joe Bryant said:
Please don't use the Pro Bowl as a method of trying to prove actual talent. Vick was a star in the NFL. He was a talented runner, a great improvisor and a poor passer.
You're saying a guy can make three pro bowls as a QB and not show any evidence that he can play QB? :rolleyes: J
Pro Bowl election is no gauge of a players performance..
"No gauge" is just a ridiculous a statement as someone saying it's the best gauge (which Joe wasn't doing).Joe referred to Vick's THREE Pro Bowls. He's not just talking about someone who happened to make one. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many players who made three Pro Bowls and were "poor" at the skills needed for their position.

 
Joe Bryant said:
Please don't use the Pro Bowl as a method of trying to prove actual talent. Vick was a star in the NFL. He was a talented runner, a great improvisor and a poor passer.
You're saying a guy can make three pro bowls as a QB and not show any evidence that he can play QB? :shrug: J
Pro Bowl election is no gauge of a players performance..
"No gauge" is just a ridiculous a statement as someone saying it's the best gauge (which Joe wasn't doing).Joe referred to Vick's THREE Pro Bowls. He's not just talking about someone who happened to make one. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many players who made three Pro Bowls and were "poor" at the skills needed for their position.
"How many MVPs do you know who can't hit that pitch?""Aside from you? Hmmm."

 
Michael Lombardi on Vick:

Commissioner Roger Goodell acted in a timely fashion, as predicted, allowing Michael Vick back in the NFL a week after his house arrest ended – with some conditions. I felt his ruling Monday was perfectly crafted, perfectly thought out and clearly placed the burden on Vick. From my perspective, Vick got the best ruling he could have hoped for. He’s back in the league he loves, in control of his own destiny, and now all his words about being a changed man will have to manifest into action.

A direct path back to the NFL was never going to be in the cards for Vick, but clearly the commissioner did not want to punish him any further than the sentence he has already served. All he is asking from Vick is to show him that he can avoid conflict, avoid trouble, is remorseful for his actions and can get his life back in order. Added to the ruling, the commissioner also threw Vick a life raft in the person of former Colts head coach Tony Dungy. There could be no better mentor for Vick than Dungy, who left coaching for a career helping others. He values his life as significant, not successful. He wants to serve others, he wants to be help to people who want and need help. Vick finally has a male figure in his life who can give him sound advice and, most importantly, whom he will listen to. Many have tried to give Vick advice in the past, but he would listen and not hear, or he would hear and not listen. Now the new Michael Vick is willing to listen as well as hear.

The next question in the Vick saga is, where will he play? What team will take a chance on Vick being a changed man? First, let’s clear up the misconception that Vick is a character problem. He committed a horrendous crime; he made a serious mistake in judgment. As Alge Crumpler said on NFL Network, Vick did a monster deed, but he is not a monster as a person. When a team signs Vick, there will be an onslaught of distractions outside the football building, but his behavior inside at work will never come into question. Now consider if a team were to sign Adam “Pacman” Jones. There might not be a distraction outside the building, but internally, everyone would wonder when he might make a mistake off the field again. Defining character in this instance is not as easy as black or white. Vick brings some public relations issues, but he wants to play football -- and in the locker room he has always been a good teammate.

So if a team chooses not to sign Vick because of the P.R. onslaught, that’s its right -- the owner’s right. But it will be because of his past behavior, not his potential for trouble with the football staff.

OK, enough about the politics of Michael Vick. Let’s break down the football element of his return.

FAR AWAY AND LONG AGO...

Vick last played in an NFL game in December 2006, against the Philadelphia Eagles. That season, he gained more than 1,000 yards rushing, second on the team, and the Falcons averaged over 5.5 yards per carry. At one point, the Falcons were 7-6 and in the playoff hunt, but they lost their last three games to end up 7-9, costing Jim Mora his job. But when Vick was operating at his best, he was able to make one or two plays a game that helped his team win. His overall record as a starter in the NFL is 38-28-1 (I think that’s an important stat, like pitchers in baseball). He has been to three Pro Bowls as a quarterback. Is he a west coast quarterback? No, but he’s the kind of quarterback who drives defensive coordinators nuts, creating speed problems all over the field. You keep asking yourself: Are we fast enough to handle him?

When you played the Falcons, you had to have the Vick plan, which was keep him in the pocket, make him throw from the pocket and not let him beat you with his legs. Teams had to rush him a certain way, making sure that the line kept disciplined rush lanes, and there was a spy to help when he got out of the pocket. The spy concept always was interesting to me because the guy spying on Vick had to be able to catch him, which often was not the case. It looked good on the grease board, but not always on the field.

So being away from the game for two years will create some problems for Vick to get his body into game condition. He will be able to run as fast as ever, he will be able to throw the ball as far as ever -- those talents are God-given. But it will take time to learn the playbook, learn the system, learn about his new teammates and learn to be a football player again.

THEY MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE

Jacksonville -- I know I sound like a broken record with this team, but it makes too much sense. A team without a backup, unless you consider 35-year-old Todd Bouman and his six starts a viable option. Head coach Jack Del Rio is at a crossroads. He must show improvement with his team this year, and I know they want to get rid of all the so-called “character problems” of the past, as new personnel man Gene Smith wants to bring in solid people. David Garrard is the starter, but are the Jags going to get the ‘07 Garrard or the ‘08 Garrard? And why can’t they bring in the competition. Let’s say you sign Vick and Garrard is the ‘08 Garrard. Now you might have an option for the 2010 season. If Garrard is the ‘07 player, then you’re protected with a viable option as a backup. It makes too much sense football-wise, and unless owner Wayne Weaver vetoes the idea, why not take a chance?

San Francisco -- The mandate from the head coach is to run the ball, as he only wants the ball in the air no more than 24 times a game (can you imagine what Bill Walsh would think if he had heard that comment from a member of the 49ers?). There is no clear solution at quarterback as yet; Alex Smith and Shaun Hill will battle for the job. Why not sign a player who enhances the run game? Why not give your team a possible solution if neither Smith nor Hill is the next Joe Montana? If Dungy calls Mike Singletary and tells him Vick is good to go, how can you ignore that advice?

St. Louis – I’ve mentioned the Rams before because GM Billy Devaney and Vick go back to their Atlanta days. With all due respect to Marc Bulger, the Rams are not exactly set at quarterback. Bulger has been injury-prone and has not been able to perform at a high level, throwing only 22 touchdown passes the last two years. The Rams need hope (I used to love it when Art Modell, the owner of the Browns, would tell me, “Kid, all we do in the sports business is sell hope,” and he was right). They need someone who can give them a solution, either short- or long-term, at the quarterback spot. New head coach, new era in St. Louis. They need a new answer at quarterback.



DIFFICULT, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE…

Buffalo -- When they signed Terrell Owens, I was surprised, but clearly they are going all in to make the playoffs. With Ryan Fitzpatrick as your backup and starter Trent Edwards being prone to injury since he’s been in the pros (and in college), Vick might be a viable option for the short and long term. If this move appeals to owner Ralph Wilson, he’ll make the move. By bringing in Owens, the Bills have created hope (there’s that word again) and excitement.

Washington – The Redskins have players on the team who know Vick from their days in Atlanta. Washington might have three quarterbacks on their roster, but do they have one who can lead them to the playoffs? Might make some sense for the ‘Skins to consider.

Miami – The Dolphins brought the wildcat back to the NFL. Who better to run that offense than Vick? If you drafted Pat White in the second round, clearly placing a huge value on someone to run the wildcat, then Vick is a possibility.

Oakland -- With JaMarcus Russell struggling, Vick might be best reunited with Tom Cable, who was the line coach in Atlanta when Vick rushed for over 1,000 yards. Cable knows the value Vick brings to the run game, but can he sell him as a passer?

Cincinnati -- Mike Brown loves to give second chances, and he loves value. Vick would be a great value and clearly in need of a second chance. Carson Palmer is the starter, but injuries make you wonder.

That’s eight teams right now -- not counting the team that gets a quarterback injured and will have to make a move. The Vick watch is on….
 
Redskins are out:

Well, it was fun while it lasted.

Amid the beginnings of rumors that the Redskins could be thinking about making a run for quarterback Mike Vick, head football honcho (too lazy to look up his formal title) Vinny Cerrato tells Jason Reid of the Washington Post that the team isn't interested in Vick.

Cerrato said the same thing when receiver just as Terrell Owens became available earlier this year, and the team indeed did not pursue him.

So as we dust off the Anti-Vick List, we'll have to add the Redskins.

Then again, they were already on the list.

Oops.

That said, circumstances have changed dramatically in the past 18 hours. And so, as teams begin to chase Vick, we don't rule out the possibility that a team that already has said "no" will at least revisit its position.
 
Ray Lewis and Ben are germane here, not because of their convictions or accusations, but the public response, and in Lewis' case eventual forgiveness.Apples are compared to oranges all the time. In this case they all have a commonality - public reception. Its like Vick touched a third rail and the only acceptable punishment for a large segment of the population would be life in prison.
I don't think they're germane at all. I was talking about the NFL's position, however, it doesn't change my position if you wish to talk about public outcry.Public outcry should be based both on the crime committed and the culpability for such crime. Are you suggesting that the public outcry should be the same NOW for Vick and Big Ben? They absolutely should not. Should facts emerge in Ben's case that give credence to the accuser's story then I would think public outcry should increase. Should he be found culpable civilly or, even more importantly, criminally the outcry should be overwhelming. But I think the outcry is being wisely withheld until more facts proving or disproving come out.Contrast that with Mike Vick. He did it. That side of the equation is not in doubt. The outcry itself should be based upon the seriousness of the crime. Some think it isn't so bad, some think it worse than murder. I fall in the middle. Again, I feel like he's paid his debt to society...but unless and until Ben is convicted...don't anticipate the same outcry.
The NFL's position is entirely about PR, advertising and public outcry - thats the problem. There is an inherent lack of consistency or fairness in the system, and this is just the latest example of the hodgepodge of punishments Goodell has handed out. Stallworth killed a man. That side of the equation is not in doubt. It wasnt murder, it was homicide. Ray Lewis was involved in a murder, though likely not the actual murderer. Ray Lewis was not suspended by the NFL and was merely fined 250k. Stallworth is serving an indefinite suspension. The suspension would need to last longer than 2 years to be close to parity for Vick. And lets not forget that Vick was already suspended for the majority of the 2007 season before his sentencing in December 2007.
 
I'm going back to the FFA now...where logic only escapes the small clique of creationists riding around on their dinosaurs.

 
Let's take it right down to brass tacks -- do you take a flier on Vick with a late pick in a dynasty league? I think he's worth a late pick. He's got just as much potential (maybe more) as most guys in rounds 17-20. If he doesn't catch with a decent situation, you can find another low-probability gamble on the waiver wire to replace him. However, if he latches onto a promising situation (TB for example), his value could go through the roof.

What do you sharks think?

 
Jacksonville -- I know I sound like a broken record with this team, but it makes too much sense. A team without a backup, unless you consider 35-year-old Todd Bouman and his six starts a viable option. Head coach Jack Del Rio is at a crossroads. He must show improvement with his team this year, and I know they want to get rid of all the so-called “character problems” of the past, as new personnel man Gene Smith wants to bring in solid people. David Garrard is the starter, but are the Jags going to get the ‘07 Garrard or the ‘08 Garrard? And why can’t they bring in the competition. Let’s say you sign Vick and Garrard is the ‘08 Garrard. Now you might have an option for the 2010 season. If Garrard is the ‘07 player, then you’re protected with a viable option as a backup. It makes too much sense football-wise, and unless owner Wayne Weaver vetoes the idea, why not take a chance?
I know he mentions it but there's no way that Gene Smith brings in Vick after he just kicked all of the other locker room problems out.Yes, the Jags have a problem at backup QB. But they've got bigger problems at WR and DL. Vick makes more sense to go to a team that's only aplayer away. Jags are in rebuild mode. Plus if you're signing him to only run the Wildcat, the Jags think they already drafted a Wildcat guy this year in TE Zach Miller.
 
Jacksonville -- I know I sound like a broken record with this team, but it makes too much sense. A team without a backup, unless you consider 35-year-old Todd Bouman and his six starts a viable option. Head coach Jack Del Rio is at a crossroads. He must show improvement with his team this year, and I know they want to get rid of all the so-called “character problems” of the past, as new personnel man Gene Smith wants to bring in solid people. David Garrard is the starter, but are the Jags going to get the ‘07 Garrard or the ‘08 Garrard? And why can’t they bring in the competition. Let’s say you sign Vick and Garrard is the ‘08 Garrard. Now you might have an option for the 2010 season. If Garrard is the ‘07 player, then you’re protected with a viable option as a backup. It makes too much sense football-wise, and unless owner Wayne Weaver vetoes the idea, why not take a chance?
I know he mentions it but there's no way that Gene Smith brings in Vick after he just kicked all of the other locker room problems out.Yes, the Jags have a problem at backup QB. But they've got bigger problems at WR and DL. Vick makes more sense to go to a team that's only aplayer away. Jags are in rebuild mode. Plus if you're signing him to only run the Wildcat, the Jags think they already drafted a Wildcat guy this year in TE Zach Miller.
He wont be signed to run the wildcat , he will signe somewhere and be the starting Qb .He is as good or better then at least 50% of starting QB,s in this league .I think a good fit would be in a dome team like the Rams , where he would have no problem stealing Bulger's job .Him and steven Jackson in the backfield would be deadly .I cant understand why SF is nt interested , with two worthless losers as QB he would be by far their best option .I dont think the Jags are really a option , they have Garrard ( He is a good QB but he s got nothing around him except MJD )
 
Ray Lewis and Ben are germane here, not because of their convictions or accusations, but the public response, and in Lewis' case eventual forgiveness.
The public in general likes stories of rehabilitation.
Apples are compared to oranges all the time. In this case they all have a commonality - public reception. Its like Vick touched a third rail and the only acceptable punishment for a large segment of the population would be life in prison.
It's not really a large segment of the population now. A lot of people were initially outraged by Vick's activities, but they've moved on to other stories to be briefly outraged by. Those still wanting more punishment for Vick are a smaller number with a high volume level.
 
Redskins are out:
Good. Their QB situation is already settled for this year and they don't need to overturn things. Who would they cut to make room for Vick, anyway? Campbell did well as a starter last year before the o-line collapsed. Collins did well when forced into action 2 years ago, and for some reason they like Brennan.
 
Michael Lombardi on Vick:

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THEY MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE

Jacksonville -- I know I sound like a broken record with this team, but it makes too much sense. A team without a backup, unless you consider 35-year-old Todd Bouman and his six starts a viable option. Head coach Jack Del Rio is at a crossroads. He must show improvement with his team this year, and I know they want to get rid of all the so-called “character problems” of the past, as new personnel man Gene Smith wants to bring in solid people. David Garrard is the starter, but are the Jags going to get the ‘07 Garrard or the ‘08 Garrard? And why can’t they bring in the competition. Let’s say you sign Vick and Garrard is the ‘08 Garrard. Now you might have an option for the 2010 season. If Garrard is the ‘07 player, then you’re protected with a viable option as a backup. It makes too much sense football-wise, and unless owner Wayne Weaver vetoes the idea, why not take a chance?

San Francisco -- The mandate from the head coach is to run the ball, as he only wants the ball in the air no more than 24 times a game (can you imagine what Bill Walsh would think if he had heard that comment from a member of the 49ers?). There is no clear solution at quarterback as yet; Alex Smith and Shaun Hill will battle for the job. Why not sign a player who enhances the run game? Why not give your team a possible solution if neither Smith nor Hill is the next Joe Montana? If Dungy calls Mike Singletary and tells him Vick is good to go, how can you ignore that advice?

St. Louis – I’ve mentioned the Rams before because GM Billy Devaney and Vick go back to their Atlanta days. With all due respect to Marc Bulger, the Rams are not exactly set at quarterback. Bulger has been injury-prone and has not been able to perform at a high level, throwing only 22 touchdown passes the last two years. The Rams need hope (I used to love it when Art Modell, the owner of the Browns, would tell me, “Kid, all we do in the sports business is sell hope,” and he was right). They need someone who can give them a solution, either short- or long-term, at the quarterback spot. New head coach, new era in St. Louis. They need a new answer at quarterback.



DIFFICULT, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE…

Buffalo -- When they signed Terrell Owens, I was surprised, but clearly they are going all in to make the playoffs. With Ryan Fitzpatrick as your backup and starter Trent Edwards being prone to injury since he’s been in the pros (and in college), Vick might be a viable option for the short and long term. If this move appeals to owner Ralph Wilson, he’ll make the move. By bringing in Owens, the Bills have created hope (there’s that word again) and excitement.

Washington – The Redskins have players on the team who know Vick from their days in Atlanta. Washington might have three quarterbacks on their roster, but do they have one who can lead them to the playoffs? Might make some sense for the ‘Skins to consider.

Miami – The Dolphins brought the wildcat back to the NFL. Who better to run that offense than Vick? If you drafted Pat White in the second round, clearly placing a huge value on someone to run the wildcat, then Vick is a possibility.

Oakland -- With JaMarcus Russell struggling, Vick might be best reunited with Tom Cable, who was the line coach in Atlanta when Vick rushed for over 1,000 yards. Cable knows the value Vick brings to the run game, but can he sell him as a passer?

Cincinnati -- Mike Brown loves to give second chances, and he loves value. Vick would be a great value and clearly in need of a second chance. Carson Palmer is the starter, but injuries make you wonder.

That’s eight teams right now -- not counting the team that gets a quarterback injured and will have to make a move. The Vick watch is on….
This list doesn't feel very well thought out. Washington runs the WCO... the exact opposite of the type of offense that would be a good fit for Vick. Personally, I don't see how Oakland could bring in Vick unless they have given up on Russell, and I don't think they have reached that point. I don't see Cincy bringing him in when they have Palmer.Lombardi also says he will run as fast and throw as far as ever. Maybe, but I'm not sure why that would be a given. Physical skill erode with age and time away from the game. I mean, he'll be fast enough and throw far enough, I'm just not sure the elite speed will definitely still be there.

 
He wont be signed to run the wildcat , he will signe somewhere and be the starting Qb .

He is as good or better then at least 50% of starting QB,s in this league .

I think a good fit would be in a dome team like the Rams , where he would have no problem stealing Bulger's job .

Him and steven Jackson in the backfield would be deadly .

I cant understand why SF is nt interested , with two worthless losers as QB he would be by far their best option .

I dont think the Jags are really a option , they have Garrard ( He is a good QB but he s got nothing around him except MJD )
Not this year.
 
Panthers | Not expected to be interested in Vick

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Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:29:03 -0700

Darin Gantt, of the Rock Hill Herald, reports the Carolina Panthers are not expected to be interested in unrestricted free-agent QB Michael Vick (Falcons). Some of the team's influential football personnel believed Vick was one of the most talented running backs in the league but not a good quarterback.

I think most teams don't see Vick as a QB. The Panthers evaluation of him is on the money :thumbup:

 
Joe Bryant said:
Please don't use the Pro Bowl as a method of trying to prove actual talent. Vick was a star in the NFL. He was a talented runner, a great improvisor and a poor passer.
You're saying a guy can make three pro bowls as a QB and not show any evidence that he can play QB? :thumbup: J
Pro Bowl election is no gauge of a players performance..
"No gauge" is just a ridiculous a statement as someone saying it's the best gauge (which Joe wasn't doing).Joe referred to Vick's THREE Pro Bowls. He's not just talking about someone who happened to make one. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find many players who made three Pro Bowls and were "poor" at the skills needed for their position.
I guess Vick is the first one, I don't have a problem with that.
 
SI speculating that Washington is interested:

We're beginning to pick up some subtle indications from a couple of sources with connections to the team that the Redskins should not be ruled out as potential suitors for Michael Vick. The thinking is that, if he were to land in D.C., Vick would not supplant current starter Jason Campbell, but that he instead would work in a Wildcat-type role for 2009, with an opportunity next year to succeed Campbell, whose contract expires after the season. If the Redskins truly are interested, it could create an awkward situation for agent Joel Segal, who represents both players.

 
SI speculating that Washington is interested:

We're beginning to pick up some subtle indications from a couple of sources with connections to the team that the Redskins should not be ruled out as potential suitors for Michael Vick. The thinking is that, if he were to land in D.C., Vick would not supplant current starter Jason Campbell, but that he instead would work in a Wildcat-type role for 2009, with an opportunity next year to succeed Campbell, whose contract expires after the season. If the Redskins truly are interested, it could create an awkward situation for agent Joel Segal, who represents both players.
Redskins aren't interested
 
What's the market for Vick? Few teams are talking -- at least publicly

Associated Press

If any NFL teams are interested in Michael Vick, they're not saying.

One day after the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback was conditionally reinstated to the league, only the Baltimore Ravens would directly acknowledge evaluating him.

"We've had long discussions about Michael Vick, and we have a feeling about how he would impact our team and not impact our team," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said Tuesday.

Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome declined comment. Previously, he has said the team has enough quarterbacks.

Other teams either refused comment or insisted they wouldn't pick up Vick, who served 18 months in federal prison for running a dogfighting ring and was released from home confinement on July 20.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said Monday that Vick can immediately take part in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and can play in the final two preseason games -- if he can find a team.

Once the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games, and Goodell said he would consider the quarterback for full reinstatement by Week 6 (Oct. 18-19) at the latest.

Two teams that might have seemed like a logical destination -- the Miami Dolphins and Cincinnati Bengals -- said they wouldn't pursue Vick.

Bengals owner Mike Brown refers to himself as "a redeemer" and is known for giving troubled players a second chance, or more. But Cincinnati has a full complement of quarterbacks, and starter Carson Palmer has fully recovered from an elbow injury that sidelined him for 12 games last season.

"When you have a situation like ours, he's a very difficult fit," Brown said of Vick. "Quarterbacks are like queen bees -- you can only have one of them before they start stepping on each other. And we have ours. Carson's the guy. That's why it just doesn't fit for here in a football sense."

The Dolphins rejuvenated their offense last season by mixing in the Wildcat, a variation of the single wing. The package featured direct long snaps to running back Ronnie Brown, who usually ran with the ball.

The Wildcat would take advantage of Vick's running ability, but the Dolphins drafted another running quarterback -- West Virginia's Pat White -- in April. They also have 2008 NFL Comeback Player of the Year Chad Pennington returning and promising Chad Henne as the No. 2 quarterback.

"We don't have an interest," Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland said of Vick in a statement. "We like the players we have on our current roster."

Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said "we're not bringing him in right now," but acknowledged that the team is always weighing its options. The Broncos have uncertainty at quarterback after trading the disgruntled Jay Cutler to the Chicago Bears. Kyle Orton is penciled in as the Broncos' starter.

"We're always going to try to do what's best for the organization -- that could mean it's a player or a situation that we're going to evaluate," McDaniels said. "We're always going to try to make sure that we leave no stone unturned. If it means adding a player, we have looked at every player that we feel out there could help us at this time."

One organization that wants Vick is the upstart UFL. The four-team league plans to kick off a six-game season in October.

"I still think we are the best option for him," UFL commissioner Michael Huyghue said.

Huyghue suggested Vick could prove to NFL teams that he's ready to return -- on and off the field -- during the UFL season.

Buffalo Bills quarterback Trent Edwards figured Vick's conditional status would leave general managers in a bind.

"It's got to be hard to sign him, because where are you going to put him?" Edwards said. "You don't know if he'll be able to play Week 1, and you want him to be your starting quarterback or at least compete for a starting job, (but) you can't essentially do that as a general manager."

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

Looks like Vicks best hope for work is the UFL

 
He wont be signed to run the wildcat , he will signe somewhere and be the starting Qb .He is as good or better then at least 50% of starting QB,s in this league .
Whoa.While many are only considering that Vick has missed the last two seasons, let's keep in mind that he actually hasn't played in the NFL for three years.That's a LONG time for a skill position player that has been confined for two years on top of that, not to mention aging and skill erosion. The last season Vick played, David Carr was still in Houston, Corey Dillon led the Patriots with 13 rushing TDs, and Mike Furrey of the Lions led the NFC in receptions with 98. Vick, albeit his "running ability," was sacked 45 times while bettering only Vince Young in completion percentage with a dismal 51.2%. We all know how productive Young has been recently. In any case, it's been awhile. For something more to ponder, the Falcons spent years developing an offense that conformed to Vicks abilities and strengths while trying to minimize his shortcomings. Nobody has a base offense suited for him to say the least. With Vick nearing 30 and far from any condition to perform at the level the NFL will require from him, it would appear that there will be many, many people in for a great degree of disappointment if and when Vick finds his opportunity to get on the field again. He's no longer the young stallion many have fixed in their memory. While he may be a candidate for a few plays per game for somebody's "Wildcat," there is also yards of film for DCs to review from Vick's previous playing days. You know, back when Roddy White and Michael Jenkins weren't good enough receivers for him.Just be forewarned... and very cautious of your perceived expectations.ETA: Not meant as a personal attack Traders2001, just trying to bring some clarity to this entire thread.
 
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http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/packers/460972

GREEN BAY — Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson’s non-answer to a question about Michael Vick was more than just Ted being Ted.

The team is doing thorough due diligence on the former NFL quarterback and has had legitimate discussions about the idea of signing him, according to sources.
Well, they do need a legitimate backup. Might actually be scary having Vick on that team, depending on how creative they wanted to get.
 
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/packers/460972

GREEN BAY — Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson’s non-answer to a question about Michael Vick was more than just Ted being Ted.

The team is doing thorough due diligence on the former NFL quarterback and has had legitimate discussions about the idea of signing him, according to sources.
Well, they do need a legitimate backup. Might actually be scary having Vick on that team, depending on how creative they wanted to get.
That people are jumping on that bandwagon is kind of funny to me.Id love to see sources that claim there have been legit discussions given how tight to the vest Ted Thompson holds things in.

Seemed his quotes were more a way of saying, we explore every option and won't confirm or deny anything...almost a no comment really.

Do they need a legit backup? Sure...in certain situations Id much rather have a guy like Vick who can, if nothing else, keep you in a game.

Is it a good fit? Not at all. He struggled in the West Coast Offense in the past and that is what GB runs. An offense based on multiple quick reads and accurate passes...things that Vick struggles mightily with.

 
Let's take it right down to brass tacks -- do you take a flier on Vick with a late pick in a dynasty league? I think he's worth a late pick. He's got just as much potential (maybe more) as most guys in rounds 17-20. If he doesn't catch with a decent situation, you can find another low-probability gamble on the waiver wire to replace him. However, if he latches onto a promising situation (TB for example), his value could go through the roof.What do you sharks think?
I'm contemplating doing that right now on the last pick in my rookie/FA draft. I may drop him for a waiver wire pick up, maybe I can find a Vick fan in my league to use him in a trade or maybe I'll just hold onto him a while to see what happens.Seems like a good low cost risk to take five rounds into a rookie/FA draft... and I drafted Bernard Scott a few rounds earlier so he should fit in just fine with my team. :confused:
 
I'm not necessarily ready to draw the curtain on an opportunity for Vick to get a chance in the NFL this season just yet, but it sure does appear that he's nothing more than a 40-watt bulb glowing in the far distance. What has it been now, nearly two weeks since the commish opened the door? And he hasn't even gotten so much as a sniff from anybody. Not even brought in for a simple workout. Actions do indeed "still" speak louder than words. Meanwhile, the training camp clocks continue to tick, and time is running out for a guy who will obviously need an awful lot of work to get back into football shape. Let alone get accustomed to a new team and their playbook. At this point I would have to wager that his only opportunity to play this season will have to come from the UFL.

 
I'm not necessarily ready to draw the curtain on an opportunity for Vick to get a chance in the NFL this season just yet, but it sure does appear that he's nothing more than a 40-watt bulb glowing in the far distance. What has it been now, nearly two weeks since the commish opened the door? And he hasn't even gotten so much as a sniff from anybody. Not even brought in for a simple workout. Actions do indeed "still" speak louder than words. Meanwhile, the training camp clocks continue to tick, and time is running out for a guy who will obviously need an awful lot of work to get back into football shape. Let alone get accustomed to a new team and their playbook. At this point I would have to wager that his only opportunity to play this season will have to come from the UFL.
Well, nobody has brought in Vick for a workout yet, but Green Bay certainly seems to recognize that Vick is available.http://eztheblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/robi...tough-time.html

"One of the personnel guys has definitely visited Vick, and it was a high-level personnel guy."

Reporter Charles Robinson later confirmed the quotes to PFT. So maybe he will get a chance? Green Bay already knows how to handle scandles well, so signing Vick shouldn't be much trouble.

 
I'm not necessarily ready to draw the curtain on an opportunity for Vick to get a chance in the NFL this season just yet, but it sure does appear that he's nothing more than a 40-watt bulb glowing in the far distance. What has it been now, nearly two weeks since the commish opened the door? And he hasn't even gotten so much as a sniff from anybody. Not even brought in for a simple workout. Actions do indeed "still" speak louder than words. Meanwhile, the training camp clocks continue to tick, and time is running out for a guy who will obviously need an awful lot of work to get back into football shape. Let alone get accustomed to a new team and their playbook. At this point I would have to wager that his only opportunity to play this season will have to come from the UFL.
Well, nobody has brought in Vick for a workout yet, but Green Bay certainly seems to recognize that Vick is available.http://eztheblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/robi...tough-time.html

"One of the personnel guys has definitely visited Vick, and it was a high-level personnel guy."

Reporter Charles Robinson later confirmed the quotes to PFT. So maybe he will get a chance? Green Bay already knows how to handle scandles well, so signing Vick shouldn't be much trouble.
I did see that over at PFT today but I'm not holding my breath. My ears won't go up until he at least gets an actual workout.
 
From New York Times:

Sports of The TimesWondering About Opportunity as Vick’s Wait Goes On Steve Helber/Associated PressThe Rev. Jesse Jackson says signing Michael Vick will require someone to make a courageous move and asks why lesser players have jobs in the N.F.L. LinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalinkBy WILLIAM C. RHODENPublished: August 7, 2009 The Rev. Jesse Jackson became the latest public figure to offer an opinion on the future of Michael Vick. Jackson said he wondered whether there had been collusion among N.F.L. owners to keep Vick out of the league.“I want to make it an issue,” Jackson said Thursday in a telephone interview. “I want teams to explain why they have a quarterback who has less skills but is playing or at least is on the taxi squad, and a guy with more skills can’t get into training camp.”Two years ago this month, Vick pleaded guilty to felony charges related to his participation in an unlawful dogfighting ring and was indefinitely suspended from the N.F.L. Vick was sentenced to 23 months in federal prison in December 2007.He was conditionally reinstated to the league last month by Commissioner Roger Goodell. Under terms of the reinstatement, Vick can take part in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and may play in the final two preseason games — if a team signs him.•When the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games. Goodell said he would consider Vick for full reinstatement by Week 6. “Democracy does not guarantee success,” Jackson said. “Democracy guarantees an opportunity. It’s not fair to de facto try to lock him out of his right to compete. If he can’t make the team, don’t let him play. If he can, let him work.” Jackson, born in 1941, has been a civil rights activist for most of his adult life. He said that in some ways, Vick’s attempt to re-enter the N.F.L. was similar to Jackie Robinson’s entering Major League Baseball. Although their situations were drastically different, Jackson said, the challenge was the same: Which owner would have the courage to make a controversial signing? Viewed from a 2009 prism, that comparison seems blasphemous. Robinson became an American icon because of his courage and perseverance. The only thing he did wrong — in some eyes — was to be born African-American.But in the era in which Robinson came of age, his admirable qualities mattered to Major League Baseball owners. A significant segment of the American population knew little to nothing about Robinson, and saw him as someone who threatened a way of life. Owners were not going to allow Robinson or any other African-American to play major league baseball, regardless of how much character and fortitude he possessed.Many fair-minded baseball owners had the same concerns about Robinson that fair-minded N.F.L. owners today have about Vick: What will critics say? How will the public respond?Finally one organization, the Dodgers, and one man, Branch Rickey, were bold and pragmatic enough to weigh the risks and take the leap of signing Robinson.Vick, unlike Robinson in 1947, has a proven track record. Vick has performed at a star level in the N.F.L. Robinson performed briefly in the Negro Leagues before joining the Dodgers.The question is: How severely have Vick’s skills eroded? You would think that one owner, one team would at least be curious; training camps have been open for only a week. “If the guy has paid his dues to the criminal justice system, paid his debt to the N.F.L. and shows remorse, what else does he need to do?” Jackson asked. •For many, the nonnegotiable issue in the Vick case is cruelty to animals. But let’s climb off our high horses. We know many fans hunt. They track down innocent animals, blast them with shotguns, shoot them out of the sky with rifles — for sport. Some take off animals’ heads and mount them as trophies.Perfectly legal.But the issue here is that Vick served his time in prison for breaking the law. The issue is degrees of cruelty. Who is worse: someone who tortures in the name of sport and then apologizes, or the one who kills in the name of sport and continues to hunt?Vick was cruel and was punished. Now he has promised to be compassionate.Jackson pointed out that Vick had satisfied the demands of the legal system. Now, like thousands of young men who are released from prison each year, Vick is eager to become a productive citizen. So far, he has been unable to find a job and his options are limited.The Canadian Football League will not consider Vick or any player under full or partial suspension by the N.F.L.“One of the big issues of re-entry is that when people come out, can they get gainful employment?” Jackson said.Vick is fortunate. As a quarterback, he has skills that are highly valued.“He has a right to compete,” Jackson said. “If he doesn’t make the team, then he can’t play. If he can, let him work.”So far, everyone has said no. Someone should have the guts to say yes.E-mail: wcr@nytimes.com
 
From New York Times:

Sports of The Times

Wondering About Opportunity as Vick’s Wait Goes On

Steve Helber/Associated Press

The Rev. Jesse Jackson says signing Michael Vick will require someone to make a courageous move and asks why lesser players have jobs in the N.F.L.

LinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalinkBy WILLIAM C. RHODEN

Published: August 7, 2009

The Rev. Jesse Jackson became the latest public figure to offer an opinion on the future of Michael Vick. Jackson said he wondered whether there had been collusion among N.F.L. owners to keep Vick out of the league.

“I want to make it an issue,” Jackson said Thursday in a telephone interview. “I want teams to explain why they have a quarterback who has less skills but is playing or at least is on the taxi squad, and a guy with more skills can’t get into training camp.”

Two years ago this month, Vick pleaded guilty to felony charges related to his participation in an unlawful dogfighting ring and was indefinitely suspended from the N.F.L. Vick was sentenced to 23 months in federal prison in December 2007.

He was conditionally reinstated to the league last month by Commissioner Roger Goodell. Under terms of the reinstatement, Vick can take part in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and may play in the final two preseason games — if a team signs him.



When the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games. Goodell said he would consider Vick for full reinstatement by Week 6.

“Democracy does not guarantee success,” Jackson said. “Democracy guarantees an opportunity. It’s not fair to de facto try to lock him out of his right to compete. If he can’t make the team, don’t let him play. If he can, let him work.”

Jackson, born in 1941, has been a civil rights activist for most of his adult life. He said that in some ways, Vick’s attempt to re-enter the N.F.L. was similar to Jackie Robinson’s entering Major League Baseball.

Although their situations were drastically different, Jackson said, the challenge was the same: Which owner would have the courage to make a controversial signing?

Viewed from a 2009 prism, that comparison seems blasphemous. Robinson became an American icon because of his courage and perseverance. The only thing he did wrong — in some eyes — was to be born African-American.

But in the era in which Robinson came of age, his admirable qualities mattered to Major League Baseball owners. A significant segment of the American population knew little to nothing about Robinson, and saw him as someone who threatened a way of life. Owners were not going to allow Robinson or any other African-American to play major league baseball, regardless of how much character and fortitude he possessed.

Many fair-minded baseball owners had the same concerns about Robinson that fair-minded N.F.L. owners today have about Vick: What will critics say? How will the public respond?

Finally one organization, the Dodgers, and one man, Branch Rickey, were bold and pragmatic enough to weigh the risks and take the leap of signing Robinson.

Vick, unlike Robinson in 1947, has a proven track record. Vick has performed at a star level in the N.F.L. Robinson performed briefly in the Negro Leagues before joining the Dodgers.

The question is: How severely have Vick’s skills eroded? You would think that one owner, one team would at least be curious; training camps have been open for only a week.

“If the guy has paid his dues to the criminal justice system, paid his debt to the N.F.L. and shows remorse, what else does he need to do?” Jackson asked.



For many, the nonnegotiable issue in the Vick case is cruelty to animals. But let’s climb off our high horses. We know many fans hunt. They track down innocent animals, blast them with shotguns, shoot them out of the sky with rifles — for sport. Some take off animals’ heads and mount them as trophies.

Perfectly legal.

But the issue here is that Vick served his time in prison for breaking the law. The issue is degrees of cruelty. Who is worse: someone who tortures in the name of sport and then apologizes, or the one who kills in the name of sport and continues to hunt?

Vick was cruel and was punished. Now he has promised to be compassionate.

Jackson pointed out that Vick had satisfied the demands of the legal system. Now, like thousands of young men who are released from prison each year, Vick is eager to become a productive citizen. So far, he has been unable to find a job and his options are limited.

The Canadian Football League will not consider Vick or any player under full or partial suspension by the N.F.L.

“One of the big issues of re-entry is that when people come out, can they get gainful employment?” Jackson said.

Vick is fortunate. As a quarterback, he has skills that are highly valued.

“He has a right to compete,” Jackson said. “If he doesn’t make the team, then he can’t play. If he can, let him work.”

So far, everyone has said no. Someone should have the guts to say yes.

E-mail: wcr@nytimes.com
To : wcr@nytimes.comSubject: ***Comparing Hunters to Mike Vick

To whom it concerns,

Your ridiculous comparison of Michael Vick, who systematically imprisoned pit bulls in inhuman conditions, systematically tortured those that failed to perform in the ring and etc. to legitimate, ethical hunters is absurd. I refer to the article Wondering About Opportunity as Vick’s Wait Goes On Steve Helber/Associated Press

First of all, game populations must be managed if the animals are not to starve to death. Ethical hunters provide the Department of Natural Resources in all 50 states the necessary individuals to manage game herds effectively and to control the number of animals in the respective herds. If the game animals' numbers were not controlled, catastrophic damage to commercially grown crops would occur. Natural wildlife habitats would be significantly degraded, and mass starvation among the game herds would result. There are many reasons why hunting game animals is absolutely necessary - including the fact that the fees paid for hunting licenses and for ammunition (heavily taxed by the states) provides most of the income for the states' Departments of Natural Resources and for the state parks and wildlife refuges that these DNR's manage.

Secondly, game animals are allowed to grow to maturity in their natural habitat and not imprisoned in inhumane conditions like those Mike Vick enabled - when said habitat is not destroyed by over-development by people who build sprawling housing developments for people who live and work in gigantic metropolises like New York City or Atlanta, Georgia and then pontificate from a position of ignorance in, say, the New York Times. Said habitat is often protected by hunter's organizations like Ducks Unlimited, http://www.ducks.org/, who have fought for years to preserve vital wetland habitat from developers so that duck populations can be maintained. That is just one example of how hunters' organizations have fought to protect and preserve wildlife habitat to ensure healthy, numerous populations of game animals.

In comparison, organizations like PETA or HSUS which claim to care about animal rights spend practically none of their funds on habitat preservation. In fact, PETA animal shelters are known for killing most of the domestic animals that fall into their clutches, while HSUS does not operate or maintain a single animal shelter in the United States despite their propaganda to the contrary. Do some research like a real journalist and compare and contrast Ducks Unlimited to PETA and HSUS and then decide which organization cares more about healthy animal populations in the wild. I assure you, hunters' organizations will come out on top of any rational comparison in this arena.

Finally, your sentence "They track down innocent animals, blast them with shotguns, shoot them out of the sky with rifles — for sport." is ridiculous on many fronts. Ground animals (like deer) are hunted with rifles. Winged animals, like ducks or geese or pheasants, are shot with shotguns. I defy you to find a single wing-shooter who uses rifles to hunt game birds. Also, the assertion that the majority of hunting is conducted for sport is wrongheaded. Most hunters hunt to supplement their dinner tables. The animals culled from the wild population are butchered and put into the hunter's freezer for the coming year's lunches and dinners. If an animal has a big enough rack (that's the set of horns on the animal's head, for your information), it may be made into a trophy, yes - but that is a side-product of the legitimate and legal activities of the hunters in the US, who manage wildlife populations in accordance with the bag limits and seasons established by their respective states' Department of Natural Resources. Without hunters' efforts, ecological disaster would result.

Sincerely,

Mark Wimer

 
From New York Times:

Sports of The Times

Wondering About Opportunity as Vick’s Wait Goes On

Steve Helber/Associated Press

The Rev. Jesse Jackson says signing Michael Vick will require someone to make a courageous move and asks why lesser players have jobs in the N.F.L.

LinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalinkBy WILLIAM C. RHODEN

Published: August 7, 2009

The Rev. Jesse Jackson became the latest public figure to offer an opinion on the future of Michael Vick. Jackson said he wondered whether there had been collusion among N.F.L. owners to keep Vick out of the league.

“I want to make it an issue,” Jackson said Thursday in a telephone interview. “I want teams to explain why they have a quarterback who has less skills but is playing or at least is on the taxi squad, and a guy with more skills can’t get into training camp.”

Two years ago this month, Vick pleaded guilty to felony charges related to his participation in an unlawful dogfighting ring and was indefinitely suspended from the N.F.L. Vick was sentenced to 23 months in federal prison in December 2007.

He was conditionally reinstated to the league last month by Commissioner Roger Goodell. Under terms of the reinstatement, Vick can take part in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and may play in the final two preseason games — if a team signs him.



When the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games. Goodell said he would consider Vick for full reinstatement by Week 6.

“Democracy does not guarantee success,” Jackson said. “Democracy guarantees an opportunity. It’s not fair to de facto try to lock him out of his right to compete. If he can’t make the team, don’t let him play. If he can, let him work.”

Jackson, born in 1941, has been a civil rights activist for most of his adult life. He said that in some ways, Vick’s attempt to re-enter the N.F.L. was similar to Jackie Robinson’s entering Major League Baseball.

Although their situations were drastically different, Jackson said, the challenge was the same: Which owner would have the courage to make a controversial signing?

Viewed from a 2009 prism, that comparison seems blasphemous. Robinson became an American icon because of his courage and perseverance. The only thing he did wrong — in some eyes — was to be born African-American.

But in the era in which Robinson came of age, his admirable qualities mattered to Major League Baseball owners. A significant segment of the American population knew little to nothing about Robinson, and saw him as someone who threatened a way of life. Owners were not going to allow Robinson or any other African-American to play major league baseball, regardless of how much character and fortitude he possessed.

Many fair-minded baseball owners had the same concerns about Robinson that fair-minded N.F.L. owners today have about Vick: What will critics say? How will the public respond?

Finally one organization, the Dodgers, and one man, Branch Rickey, were bold and pragmatic enough to weigh the risks and take the leap of signing Robinson.

Vick, unlike Robinson in 1947, has a proven track record. Vick has performed at a star level in the N.F.L. Robinson performed briefly in the Negro Leagues before joining the Dodgers.

The question is: How severely have Vick’s skills eroded? You would think that one owner, one team would at least be curious; training camps have been open for only a week.

“If the guy has paid his dues to the criminal justice system, paid his debt to the N.F.L. and shows remorse, what else does he need to do?” Jackson asked.



For many, the nonnegotiable issue in the Vick case is cruelty to animals. But let’s climb off our high horses. We know many fans hunt. They track down innocent animals, blast them with shotguns, shoot them out of the sky with rifles — for sport. Some take off animals’ heads and mount them as trophies.

Perfectly legal.

But the issue here is that Vick served his time in prison for breaking the law. The issue is degrees of cruelty. Who is worse: someone who tortures in the name of sport and then apologizes, or the one who kills in the name of sport and continues to hunt?

Vick was cruel and was punished. Now he has promised to be compassionate.

Jackson pointed out that Vick had satisfied the demands of the legal system. Now, like thousands of young men who are released from prison each year, Vick is eager to become a productive citizen. So far, he has been unable to find a job and his options are limited.

The Canadian Football League will not consider Vick or any player under full or partial suspension by the N.F.L.

“One of the big issues of re-entry is that when people come out, can they get gainful employment?” Jackson said.

Vick is fortunate. As a quarterback, he has skills that are highly valued.

“He has a right to compete,” Jackson said. “If he doesn’t make the team, then he can’t play. If he can, let him work.”

So far, everyone has said no. Someone should have the guts to say yes.

E-mail: wcr@nytimes.com
To : wcr@nytimes.comSubject: ***Comparing Hunters to Mike Vick

To whom it concerns,

Your ridiculous comparison of Michael Vick, who systematically imprisoned pit bulls in inhuman conditions, systematically tortured those that failed to perform in the ring and etc. to legitimate, ethical hunters is absurd. I refer to the article Wondering About Opportunity as Vick’s Wait Goes On Steve Helber/Associated Press

First of all, game populations must be managed if the animals are not to starve to death. Ethical hunters provide the Department of Natural Resources in all 50 states the necessary individuals to manage game herds effectively and to control the number of animals in the respective herds. If the game animals' numbers were not controlled, catastrophic damage to commercially grown crops would occur. Natural wildlife habitats would be significantly degraded, and mass starvation among the game herds would result. There are many reasons why hunting game animals is absolutely necessary - including the fact that the fees paid for hunting licenses and for ammunition (heavily taxed by the states) provides most of the income for the states' Departments of Natural Resources and for the state parks and wildlife refuges that these DNR's manage.

Secondly, game animals are allowed to grow to maturity in their natural habitat and not imprisoned in inhumane conditions like those Mike Vick enabled - when said habitat is not destroyed by over-development by people who build sprawling housing developments for people who live and work in gigantic metropolises like New York City or Atlanta, Georgia and then pontificate from a position of ignorance in, say, the New York Times. Said habitat is often protected by hunter's organizations like Ducks Unlimited, http://www.ducks.org/, who have fought for years to preserve vital wetland habitat from developers so that duck populations can be maintained. That is just one example of how hunters' organizations have fought to protect and preserve wildlife habitat to ensure healthy, numerous populations of game animals.

In comparison, organizations like PETA or HSUS which claim to care about animal rights spend practically none of their funds on habitat preservation. In fact, PETA animal shelters are known for killing most of the domestic animals that fall into their clutches, while HSUS does not operate or maintain a single animal shelter in the United States despite their propaganda to the contrary. Do some research like a real journalist and compare and contrast Ducks Unlimited to PETA and HSUS and then decide which organization cares more about healthy animal populations in the wild. I assure you, hunters' organizations will come out on top of any rational comparison in this arena.

Finally, your sentence "They track down innocent animals, blast them with shotguns, shoot them out of the sky with rifles — for sport." is ridiculous on many fronts. Ground animals (like deer) are hunted with rifles. Winged animals, like ducks or geese or pheasants, are shot with shotguns. I defy you to find a single wing-shooter who uses rifles to hunt game birds. Also, the assertion that the majority of hunting is conducted for sport is wrongheaded. Most hunters hunt to supplement their dinner tables. The animals culled from the wild population are butchered and put into the hunter's freezer for the coming year's lunches and dinners. If an animal has a big enough rack (that's the set of horns on the animal's head, for your information), it may be made into a trophy, yes - but that is a side-product of the legitimate and legal activities of the hunters in the US, who manage wildlife populations in accordance with the bag limits and seasons established by their respective states' Department of Natural Resources. Without hunters' efforts, ecological disaster would result.

Sincerely,

Mark Wimer
strong work Mark. :nerd: that article is a joke and so is Jesse Jackson. these people dont live in the real world.

 
Finally, your sentence "They track down innocent animals, blast them with shotguns, shoot them out of the sky with rifles — for sport." is ridiculous on many fronts. Ground animals (like deer) are hunted with rifles. Winged animals, like ducks or geese or pheasants, are shot with shotguns. I defy you to find a single wing-shooter who uses rifles to hunt game birds. Also, the assertion that the majority of hunting is conducted for sport is wrongheaded. Most hunters hunt to supplement their dinner tables. The animals culled from the wild population are butchered and put into the hunter's freezer for the coming year's lunches and dinners. If an animal has a big enough rack (that's the set of horns on the animal's head, for your information), it may be made into a trophy, yes - but that is a side-product of the legitimate and legal activities of the hunters in the US, who manage wildlife populations in accordance with the bag limits and seasons established by their respective states' Department of Natural Resources. Without hunters' efforts, ecological disaster would result.
This may depend on your group of friends, but all of the hunters I know do it for sport. They use the meat, but I'd bet if you asked most hunters why they are out there, they'll admit it's because they enjoy the experience, the challenge, etc. If they just wanted meat, it's probably cheaper to buy it.
 
Finally, your sentence "They track down innocent animals, blast them with shotguns, shoot them out of the sky with rifles — for sport." is ridiculous on many fronts. Ground animals (like deer) are hunted with rifles. Winged animals, like ducks or geese or pheasants, are shot with shotguns. I defy you to find a single wing-shooter who uses rifles to hunt game birds. Also, the assertion that the majority of hunting is conducted for sport is wrongheaded. Most hunters hunt to supplement their dinner tables. The animals culled from the wild population are butchered and put into the hunter's freezer for the coming year's lunches and dinners. If an animal has a big enough rack (that's the set of horns on the animal's head, for your information), it may be made into a trophy, yes - but that is a side-product of the legitimate and legal activities of the hunters in the US, who manage wildlife populations in accordance with the bag limits and seasons established by their respective states' Department of Natural Resources. Without hunters' efforts, ecological disaster would result.
This may depend on your group of friends, but all of the hunters I know do it for sport. They use the meat, but I'd bet if you asked most hunters why they are out there, they'll admit it's because they enjoy the experience, the challenge, etc. If they just wanted meat, it's probably cheaper to buy it.
good point. but, we live in a society where certain things are acceptable. hunting is part of our heritage as a nation. dog fighting is illegal, and unacceptable in our society. and just for the record, i believe Mike Vick paid his debt. i hope he has grown up some. but usually, once a turd, always a turd. all im sayin is he has to prove himself. i have no problem with a team signing Vick if they so choose. i also have no problem with no one sgining him. apparently Jesse Jackson does....... :) in the NYTimes article above, you have a liberal journalist comparing a dog fighting ring to legal hunting. throw in Jesse Jackson, who is, imo, an idiot. and now it's a big conspiracy to keep poor Mike Vick, out of the NFL. he compares Vick trying to get back into the NFL to Jackie Robinson getting into MLB! what a joke! is Al Sharpton involved yet?

 
Finally, your sentence "They track down innocent animals, blast them with shotguns, shoot them out of the sky with rifles — for sport." is ridiculous on many fronts. Ground animals (like deer) are hunted with rifles. Winged animals, like ducks or geese or pheasants, are shot with shotguns. I defy you to find a single wing-shooter who uses rifles to hunt game birds. Also, the assertion that the majority of hunting is conducted for sport is wrongheaded. Most hunters hunt to supplement their dinner tables. The animals culled from the wild population are butchered and put into the hunter's freezer for the coming year's lunches and dinners. If an animal has a big enough rack (that's the set of horns on the animal's head, for your information), it may be made into a trophy, yes - but that is a side-product of the legitimate and legal activities of the hunters in the US, who manage wildlife populations in accordance with the bag limits and seasons established by their respective states' Department of Natural Resources. Without hunters' efforts, ecological disaster would result.
This may depend on your group of friends, but all of the hunters I know do it for sport. They use the meat, but I'd bet if you asked most hunters why they are out there, they'll admit it's because they enjoy the experience, the challenge, etc. If they just wanted meat, it's probably cheaper to buy it.
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If you meant it'd be cheaper to go buy an equivalent beef product, then maybe I agree although successful hunters I know have fed more than 1 family on their harvest in any given year. I don't think it would be cheaper to buy free range harvested game meat than to actually hunt it, though, given that (for example, according to the University of Wyoming)

The field-dressed carcass weights of six bucks and six does used in this study averaged 114 pounds and 93 pounds, respectively.
and
On the average, 54.6 and 44.4 pounds of boneless retail cuts from the bucks and does,

respectively, were packaged for the hunter.
Just using the least expensive cut offered by Broken Arrow Ranch linked above for free-range, wild-harvested venison was $18 a pound (not all cuts from an animal are the same value, but for simplicity I'll assume the worst-case scenario for my own argument) would yield a value of $982.8 for the boneless, retail cuts from an average mule deer buck and $799.20 for an average doe. A big-game hunting license in my state runs $9 as an add-on to the basic hunting license fee of $17 (small game and fishing license) so my out of pocket license fee is $26. 20 rounds of .270 win ammo is around $18.00.

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