Michael Vick - You're #1 QB.....worried? (1 Viewer)

[Texican]

I had Vick in the past and honestly wanted to stay away from him this year (as I did wil some other players this year). But as the draft played out, I ended up taking some players that I really wanted to avoid....Vick was one of them.

For some reason I did not want him and neither did anyone else since I got him at 10.12 in out 12 teamer re-draft. I couldn't pass on him anymore. The problem now (maybe) is that he is my #1 QB.

Anyone have full faith in Vick to carry the QB load for their team? (In the past I used him as a QBBC player - this year he needs to be the man!)

 

[Bristol]

No

 

[cracKer]

Not worried one bit, I have Brooks backing him up

 

[abhall]

Vick will always be to inconsistent as a #1 fantasy QB. You're screwed.

I wouldn't even want him as a backup.

 

[monkeysee]

He will finish as a top 10 fantasy QB again, but as usual be prepared for huge swings in production from week to week.

 

[lionsroar]

I think it really depends on your scoring system. My league gives 3 pts for every 150yds passing and 3 pts for every 50 yards rushing. 4pts for passing tds and 6 pts for rushing tds. He finished qb 8 last year and I was excited to get him this year...

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Michael Vick - You're #1 QB.....worried?

Yes and yes. My backup is Chris Simms. My first time drafting in the 12 spot and when I turned the corner on round 5 without a QB I knew I was rolling the dice.

 

[chris1969]

Just make sure to hancuff him to Ron Mexico

 

[Texican]

Michael Vick - You're #1 QB.....worried?

Yes and yes. My backup is Chris Simms. My first time drafting in the 12 spot and when I turned the corner on round 5 without a QB I knew I was rolling the dice.

Not picking here, but this is where I passed and didn't worry about it. I really wanted someone else to grab him so I wouldn't second guess myself. I took him at 10.12 and he was the 14th QB taken....I couldn't pass on him any longer, but I still feel very worried that he is my #1.

 

[Capt Hook]

I would be pretty happy if Vick was MY QB1 - means I would have a stud team around him as I wouldn't draft him until round 11 or 12

 

[Guru]

Just make sure you take a reliable backup & Schaub.

 

[The Jerk]

I had Vick in the past and honestly wanted to stay away from him this year (as I did wil some other players this year). But as the draft played out, I ended up taking some players that I really wanted to avoid....Vick was one of them.For some reason I did not want him and neither did anyone else since I got him at 10.12 in out 12 teamer re-draft. I couldn't pass on him anymore. The problem now (maybe) is that he is my #1 QB.Anyone have full faith in Vick to carry the QB load for their team? (In the past I used him as a QBBC player - this year he needs to be the man!)

I'm not a Vick fan but in certain scoring systems he is a much more effective player than in others. Inconsistency (week to week points) is one thing, but I don't like the drama of the constant injury watch. Of course, it's also possible that he is not that much more injury prone than many other starting QBs; it just seems that way with the media obsessing over everything Vick.Bottom line: at the right draft slot, he's a good value and is just as likely if not more likely to finish top 8 as any QB drafted after the first 4-5 are off the board. Again, depends on scoring system...

 

[SSOG]

He will finish as a top 10 fantasy QB again, but as usual be prepared for huge swings in production from week to week.

That's a fantasy myth with no basis in reality. Michael Vick is actually far more consistant than about half of the QBs being drafted in front of him. He's no Peyton Manning or Aaron Brooks, but he's no Eli Manning, either.I wouldn't worry in the slightest about having Vick as my #1 QB. I've had him as my #1 for two straight years now, and finished with the best record in my league for two straight years now. I actually like him better this year than I did the last two years, but as fate would have it, this is the first year in a while where I don't have him headlining my squad. It's a pity, really. I was growing rather fond of having him around.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Michael Vick - You're #1 QB.....worried?

Yes and yes. My backup is Chris Simms. My first time drafting in the 12 spot and when I turned the corner on round 5 without a QB I knew I was rolling the dice.

Not picking here, but this is where I passed and didn't worry about it. I really wanted someone else to grab him so I wouldn't second guess myself. I took him at 10.12 and he was the 14th QB taken....I couldn't pass on him any longer, but I still feel very worried that he is my #1.

Oops - just double checked. I took him at the 9/10 turn and he was also the 14th QB taken.

 

[lord_helmet]

The problem with Vick is that he takes up alot of roster space, as I'm always looking to find a more reliable starter. I have Carr, Simms, Walter & Kitna right now backing him up. Have gone thru alot of other guys the past couple of years - Grossman etc.

He does sometimes win games for you and as such, you could do worse

 

[Guru]

This is the 1st year since his "breakout" year that Vick can be had at a decent value. He ADP is 7:08, 13 QB taken in 14 team drafts. Maybe it's just me but that screams value!

 

[lord_helmet]

7th rd ADP ? wow, I would think that he can be had several rds later. As high as everyone was on him (incl. myself) they seem equally down on him now. I have been trying to trade him away for years.

And I don't wanna give him up for nothing either, I just want a more reliable pocketpasser type of QB, but nobody wants him. period

 

[pghrob]

Michael Vick - You're #1 QB.....worried?

Yes and yes. My backup is Chris Simms. My first time drafting in the 12 spot and when I turned the corner on round 5 without a QB I knew I was rolling the dice.

Same with me...I was going to hold off and try a QBBC approach, but Warner and Favre went in rounds 3 and 7 WTF??? the QB run was well in full swing, and there 'ol Vick was at round 9...so I said why not?C. Simms was there in round 13 and now I have that wierd QB stable.Vick's running is a double edged sword...it gets you points and gets mangled. My only hope when I puuled the trigger is that this will be his 2nd-3rd year with the offense and Alge, Jenkins, Dunn, and White. Maybe they will have made gains in the off season.Good luck with what fell in your lap.

 

[TheWick]

I have never had Vick on my team and have always avoided him. Then I sat down and really looked at the numbers and much of the knocks on him fantasy wise are unfounded. He is pretty consistent and while he won't be top 3, this may be the year his passing comes around.

drinking me some dirty bird Kool-Aid

 

[Organized Chaos]

I have never owned Vick either, but this year he was still around when I picked 11.09 in a 12 team redraft and I had to take him, I ended up backing him up with Brooks and Rivers, so I feel good that one of the three should be decent.

 

[H.K.]

I have never had Vick on my team and have always avoided him. Then I sat down and really looked at the numbers and much of the knocks on him fantasy wise are unfounded. He is pretty consistent and while he won't be top 3, this may be the year his passing comes around. drinking me some dirty bird Kool-Aid

Me too. Ironically, everyone is avoiding him and he now has good value.I took him as my first QB in a ten team redraft where we start two quarterbacks....He was the 12th QB off the board, but usually a top 10 QB in our scoring system....I love him even more in a start two QB format because it mitigates the risk of him having a horrible day. We'll see!

 

[Sinrman]

He will finish as a top 10 fantasy QB again, but as usual be prepared for huge swings in production from week to week.

That's a fantasy myth with no basis in reality. Michael Vick is actually far more consistant than about half of the QBs being drafted in front of him. He's no Peyton Manning or Aaron Brooks, but he's no Eli Manning, either.I wouldn't worry in the slightest about having Vick as my #1 QB. I've had him as my #1 for two straight years now, and finished with the best record in my league for two straight years now. I actually like him better this year than I did the last two years, but as fate would have it, this is the first year in a while where I don't have him headlining my squad. It's a pity, really. I was growing rather fond of having him around.

Eh?http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235253/gamelogs/2005

The Good:

Week 3: 167 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs/1 INT -- 64 rushing (even if it's the Bills)

Week 9: 228 passing yards -- 1 passing TD -- 38 rushing

Week 10: 209 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs -- 20 rushing -- 1 rushing TD -- 3 fumbles (despite the fumbles)

Week 11: 306 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs -- 17 rushing yards -- 1 fumble

Week 12: 146 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs/1 INT -- 57 rushing yards (similar to week 3)

Week 14: 231 passing yards -- 1 passing TD/1 INT -- 38 rushing yards -- 2 rushing TDs

Week 16: 161 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs -- 63 rushing -- 1 fumble

The Bad:

Week 1: 156 passing yards -- 1 INT -- 68 rushing -- 1 rushing TD -- 3 fumbles (rushing TD negated by miserable 4-turnover performance)

Week 6: 112 passing yards -- 1 passing TD/1 INT -- 51 rushing

Week 7: 116 passing yards -- 3 INTs -- 18 rushing -- 2 rushing TDs -- 2 fumbles (nice w/ rushing TDs, but 5 turnovers agains the JETS?!)

The Ugly: :X

Week 2: 123 passing yards -- 43 rushing -- 1 fumble

Week 4: Literally was 6/8 for 49 passing yards and 1 passing TD -- 58 rushing

Week 5: DNP

Week 13: 171 passing yards -- 2 INTs -- 27 rushing yards

Week 15: 122 passing yards -- 2 INTs -- 35 rushing yards

Week 17: 115 rushing yards -- 1 INT -- 0 rushing

He had a small stretch of good games weeks 9-12, and a couple sprinkled in between weeks 13-17, but overall, do you not consider this inconsistent!?

 

[skillz]

I wouldn't want to rely on him every week as a #1. If I could get him and then platoon him with another decent QB like Delhomme based on weekly matchups I would be thrilled to have Vick on my roster this season.

 

[Texican]

I wouldn't want to rely on him every week as a #1. If I could get him and then platoon him with another decent QB like Delhomme based on weekly matchups I would be thrilled to have Vick on my roster this season.

Delhomme was gone 4 QBs before him. I had to platoon him with Big Ben.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

He will finish as a top 10 fantasy QB again, but as usual be prepared for huge swings in production from week to week.

That's a fantasy myth with no basis in reality. Michael Vick is actually far more consistant than about half of the QBs being drafted in front of him. He's no Peyton Manning or Aaron Brooks, but he's no Eli Manning, either.I wouldn't worry in the slightest about having Vick as my #1 QB. I've had him as my #1 for two straight years now, and finished with the best record in my league for two straight years now. I actually like him better this year than I did the last two years, but as fate would have it, this is the first year in a while where I don't have him headlining my squad. It's a pity, really. I was growing rather fond of having him around.

Eh?http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235253/gamelogs/2005

The Good:

Week 3: 167 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs/1 INT -- 64 rushing (even if it's the Bills)

Week 9: 228 passing yards -- 1 passing TD -- 38 rushing

Week 10: 209 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs -- 20 rushing -- 1 rushing TD -- 3 fumbles (despite the fumbles)

Week 11: 306 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs -- 17 rushing yards -- 1 fumble

Week 12: 146 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs/1 INT -- 57 rushing yards (similar to week 3)

Week 14: 231 passing yards -- 1 passing TD/1 INT -- 38 rushing yards -- 2 rushing TDs

Week 16: 161 passing yards -- 2 passing TDs -- 63 rushing -- 1 fumble

The Bad:

Week 1: 156 passing yards -- 1 INT -- 68 rushing -- 1 rushing TD -- 3 fumbles (rushing TD negated by miserable 4-turnover performance)

Week 6: 112 passing yards -- 1 passing TD/1 INT -- 51 rushing

Week 7: 116 passing yards -- 3 INTs -- 18 rushing -- 2 rushing TDs -- 2 fumbles (nice w/ rushing TDs, but 5 turnovers agains the JETS?!)

The Ugly: :X

Week 2: 123 passing yards -- 43 rushing -- 1 fumble

Week 4: Literally was 6/8 for 49 passing yards and 1 passing TD -- 58 rushing

Week 5: DNP

Week 13: 171 passing yards -- 2 INTs -- 27 rushing yards

Week 15: 122 passing yards -- 2 INTs -- 35 rushing yards

Week 17: 115 rushing yards -- 1 INT -- 0 rushing

He had a small stretch of good games weeks 9-12, and a couple sprinkled in between weeks 13-17, but overall, do you not consider this inconsistent!?

His real-life quarterbacking may be inconsistent but, in many scoring systems, his FF scoring is no more inconsistent than many other "reliable" QBs. I don't feel like digging out the numbers, but compare him to Hasselbeck & Trent Green's FF production & you may be surprised to find that he's no more inconsistent from a FF standpoint than they are.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I would be more than happy to have Vick as my #1 QB considering his ADP this year. Didn't work out that way, but I wouldn't have been concerned at all.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

He had a small stretch of good games weeks 9-12, and a couple sprinkled in between weeks 13-17, but overall, do you not consider this inconsistent!?

For starters, he only lost 5 fumbles. Stop listing his fumbles if you don't know whether he lost them that game.Secondly, here are his FP listed in the order you gave them.181624211626201611116130432Thirdly, now instead of just cherry picking Vick's stats, compare his consistency to other QBs who scored similarly to him and get back to us.It's easy to list one player's stats in a vacuum then draw conclusions. It's not necessarily smart, but it's easy.

 

[H.K.]

His real-life quarterbacking may be inconsistent but, in many scoring systems, his FF scoring is no more inconsistent than many other "reliable" QBs. I don't feel like digging out the numbers, but compare him to Hasselbeck & Trent Green's FF production & you may be surprised to find that he's no more inconsistent from a FF standpoint than they are.

In most scoring systems, 40-50 yards rushing is the same as 100 yards passing, so who cares if he gets points with his legs instead of his arm...and leagues that only give 4 points for passing TD's vs. 6 for rushing also helps him, too.

 

[Knightro]

I ended up with Vick in an auction when I saw him sitting $10 value in our league scoring system and then later grabbed the more steady Green as my QB2 when nobody wanted to go higher than $13 on him. Everyone was talking about how bad the Chiefs looked vs the Giants the night before forgetting that the Chiefs haven't won a preseason game since the Clinton administration

 

[SSOG]

He will finish as a top 10 fantasy QB again, but as usual be prepared for huge swings in production from week to week.

That's a fantasy myth with no basis in reality. Michael Vick is actually far more consistant than about half of the QBs being drafted in front of him. He's no Peyton Manning or Aaron Brooks, but he's no Eli Manning, either.I wouldn't worry in the slightest about having Vick as my #1 QB. I've had him as my #1 for two straight years now, and finished with the best record in my league for two straight years now. I actually like him better this year than I did the last two years, but as fate would have it, this is the first year in a while where I don't have him headlining my squad. It's a pity, really. I was growing rather fond of having him around.

Eh?...

He had a small stretch of good games weeks 9-12, and a couple sprinkled in between weeks 13-17, but overall, do you not consider this inconsistent!?

Nope. I play FANTASY football- with an emphasis on the fantasy. Vick may be inconsistant in reality football, but he's rock steady in fantasy.Lots of good discussion on this in the Michael Vick Spotlight Thread, as well as a few other threads that I can't remember at the moment. Here's a relevant quote from the spotlight thread.

People call him a "boom or bust" kind of guy, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He scored under 10 points just three times last season. He scored over 19 points eight times. Let's compare this "boom or bust" QB to the rock solid Trent Green, shall we? Trent Green scored under 10 points... three times... and over 19 points... seven times. Okay, bad example. How about Hasselbeck? He's a rock. Hasselbeck had... two games under 10, and 6 games over 19. Okay, okay, enough fun and games and fluky comparisons. Let's compare Vick to Peyton Manning, the poster child for QB consistancy. Peyton scored under 10 points... three times. He scored over 19 points... nine times.

 

[Significant Shrinkage]

Depending on the scoring system, a combo of Vick and Plummer (both can be had in the middle rounds) could be outstanding this year. The main thing w/ Vick, IMO, is avoiding the road games against top 10 D's (Car, TB, etc). If you do a platoon w/ Vick and Plummer, here's what you're looking at:

Plummer (1) - @StL

Plummer (2) - KC

Vick (3) - @NO

Vick (4) - Ariz

Plummer (5) - Balt (Vick on bye, not a very good matchup, but it is a home game)

Plummer (6) - Oak

Plummer (7) - @Cle

Vick (8) - @Cincy (probably a shootout)

Vick (9) - @Det

Vick (10) - Cle

Plummer (11) -SD (Chargers stifling against the run, but not the pass and it's in Denver)

Vick (12) - NO

Plummer (13) - Sea (tough "D" but its a home game)

Vick (14) - TB (tough "D" but threw for 300 and 2 TD's last yr and it's on the carpet

Plummer (15) - @Ariz

Plummer (16) - Cincy (probably a shootout)

The fact that the league I'm in only awards 3 pts for a passing TD makes Vick inherently more valuable; however, depending on the scoring system, the Vick/Plummer combo could be solid given the fact that BOTH can be had in the 7th-10th rounds of most drafts, and as a tandem should perform as a Top 5 QB. This is simply a good way to get great production out of the QB position w/ minimal investment

 

[Shiver44]

The problem with having a rotation with Vick, is he'll perform big time against top tier defenses, Tampa Bay last year, while struggling with mediocre defenses another week, New York.

My personal feelings about Vick;

10th Best Fantasy QB + A lot more Rapport with Jenkins and White than any other WR he's ever had + The vaunted "3rd year" in the system = Very high upside.

 

[Da Guru]

I would take Vick only if 14 QBs were drafted in front of him. Too many 100 yard passing games with no TDs.

 

[SSOG]

The problem with having a rotation with Vick, is he'll perform big time against top tier defenses, Tampa Bay last year, while struggling with mediocre defenses another week, New York. My personal feelings about Vick;10th Best Fantasy QB + A lot more Rapport with Jenkins and White than any other WR he's ever had + The vaunted "3rd year" in the system = Very high upside.

Agreed. That's the biggest knock on Vick, and I think is probably where the "Vick is inconsistant" myth comes from.Most QBs struggle against "good" defenses and excel against "bad" defenses. The problem with Vick is that a huge chunk of his scoring comes in a drastically different manner than all the other fantasy QBs (i.e. from running), so the qualities of a defense that make them uniquely suited to shutting down 95% of the fantasy QBs (such as great cover corners and very aggressive DEs) actually serve as a liability against Vick (you want fast LBs and disciplined DEs instead). As a result, Vick winds up frequently torching defenses that can stop any other QB cold, and struggling against defenses that other QBs would tear apart.

 

[Skanker]

Vick is awesome

 

[Significant Shrinkage]

The problem with having a rotation with Vick, is he'll perform big time against top tier defenses, Tampa Bay last year, while struggling with mediocre defenses another week, New York.

Fair point, but what QB ALWAYS performs well against bad defenses and ALWAYS performs poorly against good defenses? More often than not, Vick will beat up on the New Orleans' (2 rsh TD's, 1 passing TD, 235 yds passing last year in 1 game) and stink it up against the Carolina's in another game (171 pass yards and no TD's). My point is, if you're going to cite a bad game against a certain team, make sure to include the other games against bad teams last year (Buf, GB, Det) where he played very well.Another thing to strongly consider is that ALL SIX of Vick's rushing TD's came at HOME as did ALL of his (3) 200+ passing yard games. Seems that he's reasonably consistent at home, but well below average on the road. In the above Vick/Plummer platoon idea, the only 3 games I recommended starting Vick on the road were 1) @ Detroit, which is on turf 2) @ NO for obvious reasons 3) @ Cincy because of a probable shootout

 

[Scruff Mcgruff]

I paired him up with McNair and Warner... I'm not really concerned all that much.

 

[SSOG]

The problem with having a rotation with Vick, is he'll perform big time against top tier defenses, Tampa Bay last year, while struggling with mediocre defenses another week, New York.

Fair point, but what QB ALWAYS performs well against bad defenses and ALWAYS performs poorly against good defenses? More often than not, Vick will beat up on the New Orleans' (2 rsh TD's, 1 passing TD, 235 yds passing last year in 1 game) and stink it up against the Carolina's in another game (171 pass yards and no TD's). My point is, if you're going to cite a bad game against a certain team, make sure to include the other games against bad teams last year (Buf, GB, Det) where he played very well.Another thing to strongly consider is that ALL SIX of Vick's rushing TD's came at HOME as did ALL of his (3) 200+ passing yard games. Seems that he's reasonably consistent at home, but well below average on the road. In the above Vick/Plummer platoon idea, the only 3 games I recommended starting Vick on the road were 1) @ Detroit, which is on turf 2) @ NO for obvious reasons 3) @ Cincy because of a probable shootout

That's actually a really interesting stat. Is there any data to support it from previous seasons, too, or was it just a one-year fluke?

 

[Significant Shrinkage]

The problem with having a rotation with Vick, is he'll perform big time against top tier defenses, Tampa Bay last year, while struggling with mediocre defenses another week, New York.

Fair point, but what QB ALWAYS performs well against bad defenses and ALWAYS performs poorly against good defenses? More often than not, Vick will beat up on the New Orleans' (2 rsh TD's, 1 passing TD, 235 yds passing last year in 1 game) and stink it up against the Carolina's in another game (171 pass yards and no TD's). My point is, if you're going to cite a bad game against a certain team, make sure to include the other games against bad teams last year (Buf, GB, Det) where he played very well.Another thing to strongly consider is that ALL SIX of Vick's rushing TD's came at HOME as did ALL of his (3) 200+ passing yard games. Seems that he's reasonably consistent at home, but well below average on the road. In the above Vick/Plummer platoon idea, the only 3 games I recommended starting Vick on the road were 1) @ Detroit, which is on turf 2) @ NO for obvious reasons 3) @ Cincy because of a probable shootout

That's actually a really interesting stat. Is there any data to support it from previous seasons, too, or was it just a one-year fluke?

In '04 and '03 all 4 of his rushing TD's (3 in 2004 and 1 in 2003 when he was injured most of the year) came at home as well.

 

[mike303]

It's all about how much he costs you. I took Big Ben as my #1 QB in the 6th round of an initial Zealots dynasty draft. At the last pick of the ninth round, Vick was still sitting there, so I grabbed him. Not much risk associated with the #108 overall selection. David Carr went at #107. For what he cost me, I was thrilled. Plus I grabbed Schaub in the 19th. Between them, I should always have a solid option, especially next year when Schaub is a starter somewhere else.

 

[Shiver44]

The problem with having a rotation with Vick, is he'll perform big time against top tier defenses, Tampa Bay last year, while struggling with mediocre defenses another week, New York.

Fair point, but what QB ALWAYS performs well against bad defenses and ALWAYS performs poorly against good defenses? More often than not, Vick will beat up on the New Orleans' (2 rsh TD's, 1 passing TD, 235 yds passing last year in 1 game) and stink it up against the Carolina's in another game (171 pass yards and no TD's). My point is, if you're going to cite a bad game against a certain team, make sure to include the other games against bad teams last year (Buf, GB, Det) where he played very well.Another thing to strongly consider is that ALL SIX of Vick's rushing TD's came at HOME as did ALL of his (3) 200+ passing yard games. Seems that he's reasonably consistent at home, but well below average on the road. In the above Vick/Plummer platoon idea, the only 3 games I recommended starting Vick on the road were 1) @ Detroit, which is on turf 2) @ NO for obvious reasons 3) @ Cincy because of a probable shootout

I was more so referring to the '04 Season, where I had him and David Carr in a rotation. It was very hard to figure it out. Against awful defenses like SF, ARI, DET and KC he was mediocre and @ Denver he was electric.