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Microsoft Announces "Surface" Tablet (1 Viewer)

My Windows 8 laptop got here Tuesday. Been playing with it a few days and this is an impromptu review.

I originally ordered a Lenovo Ideapad U300S based on the good reviews and the instant $600 rebate on the website. The shipping date got pushed back a week. Then a week later I came home to a voicemail message asking to call Lenovo to complete my order. Then check my email and found that the order had been canceled per my request. :confused: So ended up getting the HP Spectre XT, which was my 2nd choice. My original plan had been to get a Win 7 laptop and just put Linux on it, but I figured I might as well go with Win 8 and give it a shot. Mrs. SB has a Macbook that she's been using for the last 6 months or so and she tested it out really quick to compare. She said the touchpad on it was great and so was the keyboard, just like her MB. The original reason she went with the MB was because of the bad reviews other laptops were getting at the time in regards to touchpads and keyboards. If something like this had been out at the time, she may have gone that way instead. Also did a quick boot and shutdown test side by side and the HP is way faster than the MB at both. Anyway, this is about the OS, not the hardware.

To summarize my initial impressions, I think this OS would be fantastic on a tablet or laptop with a touch screen. It's definitely designed to be used that way in "app" mode. I'm not very good with using modern touchpads, so there's a learning curve. I think I'm getting the hang of it, and how Windows 8 flows. Nothing about it seems any less intuitive than an Android tablet. It comes with Security Essentials by default, so no need for any additional AV, but this came with Norton anyway which I promptly uninstalled. If you use a lot of Google apps like Chrome, Drive or Reader, they are in the App Store. The Google reader app is terrible. The reviews on it are almost universally negative. Everything else I had to download and install by hand. No issues in getting any of them to run so far. No crashes, slowness or bugs so far. Using it in desktop mode is similar to Windows 7 minus the start menu. Based on the last 2 days, I don't think I'd be in the market for a Surface. I need apps to get "real work" done, and most of the ones I use on a day to day basis aren't in the app store. I guess I could find similar replacements, but I want to use what I'm used to using.

I bought a USB docking station to go with it and my plan is to use this at work as a replacement for the desktop I have now. If it holds up, I'll likely recommend to my director that we don't upgrade any workstations/laptops to Win8, but go forward with Win8 on any tablets/convertibles that we purchase. I don't see any use for Windows 8 RT in the enterprise.
That is disheartening. I haven't found a quality app for it on iOS either. The changes a year ago to the website version sucked too. I almost universally use it on my Android smartphone.
Been using it for a little over a month now. Nothing about my feelings has really changed. I don't think Windows 8 shines on a desktop. It's not terrible, it's just that 5-10% of your workflow that has to be done from Metro is awkward. On a single screen, touch device I think it would be great. My director made a comment about wanting to move all of our 18K devices to Windows 8. If it comes up again, I'll try to talk him out of it. I think using Win 8 as a standard for new tablet/hybrid purchases is fine, but I don't think our users will like it as much as Win 7 on their desktops.
The biggest problem I have with Windows 8 on a desktop is that very few applications run natively in Metro. I spend most of my time in the traditional desktop or even worse, switching back and forth.If/when Office and a non-MS browser work in Metro, the experience on non-touchscreen machines will be better. But switching between Metro and desktop will be a nusiance pretty much forever.
you can turn off your metro apps and only use desktop if you want
 
My Windows 8 laptop got here Tuesday. Been playing with it a few days and this is an impromptu review.

I originally ordered a Lenovo Ideapad U300S based on the good reviews and the instant $600 rebate on the website. The shipping date got pushed back a week. Then a week later I came home to a voicemail message asking to call Lenovo to complete my order. Then check my email and found that the order had been canceled per my request. :confused: So ended up getting the HP Spectre XT, which was my 2nd choice. My original plan had been to get a Win 7 laptop and just put Linux on it, but I figured I might as well go with Win 8 and give it a shot. Mrs. SB has a Macbook that she's been using for the last 6 months or so and she tested it out really quick to compare. She said the touchpad on it was great and so was the keyboard, just like her MB. The original reason she went with the MB was because of the bad reviews other laptops were getting at the time in regards to touchpads and keyboards. If something like this had been out at the time, she may have gone that way instead. Also did a quick boot and shutdown test side by side and the HP is way faster than the MB at both. Anyway, this is about the OS, not the hardware.

To summarize my initial impressions, I think this OS would be fantastic on a tablet or laptop with a touch screen. It's definitely designed to be used that way in "app" mode. I'm not very good with using modern touchpads, so there's a learning curve. I think I'm getting the hang of it, and how Windows 8 flows. Nothing about it seems any less intuitive than an Android tablet. It comes with Security Essentials by default, so no need for any additional AV, but this came with Norton anyway which I promptly uninstalled. If you use a lot of Google apps like Chrome, Drive or Reader, they are in the App Store. The Google reader app is terrible. The reviews on it are almost universally negative. Everything else I had to download and install by hand. No issues in getting any of them to run so far. No crashes, slowness or bugs so far. Using it in desktop mode is similar to Windows 7 minus the start menu. Based on the last 2 days, I don't think I'd be in the market for a Surface. I need apps to get "real work" done, and most of the ones I use on a day to day basis aren't in the app store. I guess I could find similar replacements, but I want to use what I'm used to using.

I bought a USB docking station to go with it and my plan is to use this at work as a replacement for the desktop I have now. If it holds up, I'll likely recommend to my director that we don't upgrade any workstations/laptops to Win8, but go forward with Win8 on any tablets/convertibles that we purchase. I don't see any use for Windows 8 RT in the enterprise.
That is disheartening. I haven't found a quality app for it on iOS either. The changes a year ago to the website version sucked too. I almost universally use it on my Android smartphone.
Been using it for a little over a month now. Nothing about my feelings has really changed. I don't think Windows 8 shines on a desktop. It's not terrible, it's just that 5-10% of your workflow that has to be done from Metro is awkward. On a single screen, touch device I think it would be great. My director made a comment about wanting to move all of our 18K devices to Windows 8. If it comes up again, I'll try to talk him out of it. I think using Win 8 as a standard for new tablet/hybrid purchases is fine, but I don't think our users will like it as much as Win 7 on their desktops.
The biggest problem I have with Windows 8 on a desktop is that very few applications run natively in Metro. I spend most of my time in the traditional desktop or even worse, switching back and forth.If/when Office and a non-MS browser work in Metro, the experience on non-touchscreen machines will be better. But switching between Metro and desktop will be a nusiance pretty much forever.
you can turn off your metro apps and only use desktop if you want
I like Metro while I'm in it :shrug:
 
I like Metro while I'm in it :shrug:
:thumbup:me too!
I don't understand all the hate for it either. Well, I understand almost any change MS does is going to get a great deal of criticism, especially one as drastic as this.- "having to bounce back and forth between metro and traditional desktop" is a common lament but I like the fact that it is so easy and intuitive. Obviously, at some point in the future you won't have to bounce back and forth so often but this seems like the perfect solution and it's implemented very well imo.- I hear "well, it would be ok for touch but it's a disaster with a mouse" and don't understand that at all. Maybe it's because I have a scroll wheel on my mouse? I thought everyone had a scroll wheel? It's bizarre to me that so many people think metro only makes sense with a touch screen.- The absolute best feature of win8 is that it just seems "quick" even when I have it implemented on very old hardware. I installed it on a half-step above a netbook and it's completely smooth and polished. Since Vista, MS really gets the fact they need to release FINISHED products. - My biggest complaint is turning your computer off. Why they don't have a tile simple to shut down or put to sleep is pretty ridiculous. When I first played around with win8 I was surprised how intuitive everything was and quick to pick up... until it came time to turn the machine off. Seems pretty idiotic to me. Is there someway to get a tile like that? If so, I haven't found it.
 
I like Metro while I'm in it :shrug:
:thumbup:me too!
I don't understand all the hate for it either. Well, I understand almost any change MS does is going to get a great deal of criticism, especially one as drastic as this.- "having to bounce back and forth between metro and traditional desktop" is a common lament but I like the fact that it is so easy and intuitive. Obviously, at some point in the future you won't have to bounce back and forth so often but this seems like the perfect solution and it's implemented very well imo.- I hear "well, it would be ok for touch but it's a disaster with a mouse" and don't understand that at all. Maybe it's because I have a scroll wheel on my mouse? I thought everyone had a scroll wheel? It's bizarre to me that so many people think metro only makes sense with a touch screen.- The absolute best feature of win8 is that it just seems "quick" even when I have it implemented on very old hardware. I installed it on a half-step above a netbook and it's completely smooth and polished. Since Vista, MS really gets the fact they need to release FINISHED products. - My biggest complaint is turning your computer off. Why they don't have a tile simple to shut down or put to sleep is pretty ridiculous. When I first played around with win8 I was surprised how intuitive everything was and quick to pick up... until it came time to turn the machine off. Seems pretty idiotic to me. Is there someway to get a tile like that? If so, I haven't found it.
Go to desktop. Right-click, create shortcut. In the "Location" field, paste one of the two following strings. Name it. Click Finish. Right-click on the shortcode, click "Pin to start". Enjoy.
Code:
for Sleep: C:\Windows\Sysinternals\psshutdown.exe -d -t 0for Shutdown: C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe -s -t 00
 
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Go to desktop. Right-click, create shortcut. In the "Location" field, paste one of the two following strings. Name it. Click Finish. Right-click on the shortcode, click "Pin to start". Enjoy.

Code:
for Sleep: C:\Windows\Sysinternals\psshutdown.exe -d -t 0for Shutdown: C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe -s -t 00
Thanks! I'll definitely give that a try.
 
An (early) review on Surface ProMicrosoft’s Surface Pro Tablet Changes the Game

A few months back, Microsoft raised a lot of eyebrows by selling its first computer: the Surface tablet. For the same $500 that gets you an iPad, it offers better hardware and more jacks. It has only one drawback: it can’t run any PC software.Or, more precisely, it can’t run any of the four million standard Windows programs. Instead, it requires a new type of app, a more limited, full-screen, iPaddish sort of app, available only from Microsoft’s online store. And there aren’t many of those apps, although the situation is slowly improving.The world slavered, however, over Microsoft’s intention to release a second version of the Surface — the Pro — that would, in fact, be a genuine PC, running the real Windows and real Windows apps. Can you imagine how cool that would be? To have a tablet that was also a full-blown PC?It’s almost here. At the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Microsoft didn’t have a booth and didn’t give the usual opening talk (instead, Qualcomm took that slot, embarrassingly and hilariously). But representatives were there, in a hotel room far from the show, giving a few reporters an early look at the Surface Pro.It’s thicker than the original Surface tablet, just over half an inch thick. It’s heavier: 2 pounds instead of 1.5. And it’s more expensive: $900 with 64 gigabytes of storage, $1,000 with 128.But you’re looking at an entirely new kind of machine, one with new possibilities. It’s a touch-screen tablet, of iPaddish proportions, that runs desktop software: Photoshop, Quicken, the full Microsoft Office, iTunes (and Apple’s online movie and music stores). Desktop software on a half-inch-thick tablet. That’s a first.Microsoft has pulled out all the stops to make sure that you’re not disappointed in either of the two functions, tablet or PC. The screen is dazzling: bright, crisp and responsive. It has 1,080 by 1,920 pixels, also known as 1080p high definition. But when you connect it to a TV or external computer monitor, it manages to output an even bigger desktop — 2,550 by 1,440.That you can use it at home as your main PC is only the first indication that Microsoft intends for this tablet to go head-to-head with actual computers. Another is the speed: it’s fast. Big apps like the Office apps open in just over one second. Programs switch fast and run fast. Gamers will be in O.K. shape, although of course without a dedicated graphics card, the frame rates won’t break any records.The Pro comes with a hollow plastic stylus, so that you can write, draw and paint on the screen. The concept has one big flaw: you can store the pen temporarily by attaching it magnetically to the tablet’s power jack, but there’s no silo where you can store it for travel. So you’ll probably lose it.But the drawing experience is fantastic. The pen is pressure-sensitive, so with the right apps, you can create darker lines by bearing down harder, exactly as graphics pros do on Wacom tablets. And you can rest your fist on the glass; only the pen makes marks.There’s only one USB port on the device — USB 3.0, fortunately (meaning fast). But Microsoft has added a second USB 3.0 jack on the power brick itself. So whenever you’re set up at home or at work, plugged in to get work done, you now have two USB jacks. You can be charging your phone as you work, for example, by plugging it into the power cord. That’s just so smart.(The fussy magnetic power-cord attaching jack, so frustrating on the Surface tablet, has been improved on the Pro. A stronger magnet makes it click in more easily.)What really makes the tablet/PC concept sing, of course, is the famous Surface keyboard cover. It attaches and detaches briskly and simply to a magnetic bar on the bottom of the tablet, making the Pro’s conversion from tablet to PC instantaneous. That’s a huge, huge point. You can also flip it around to the back when you’re in tablet mode; the on-screen keyboard appears automatically as needed.There are two versions of the keyboard cover, actually. There’s one called the Touch Cover, which is no thicker than a piece of cardboard, but the keys don’t actually travel. You can buy this cover, in a choice of colors, with the Surface for $100, or later for $120; Microsoft acknowledges that you won’t be able to type as fast as you can on a real keyboard.There’s also the Type Cover ($130), with real keys that really move up and down. It’s about a quarter of an inch thick, but you can type on it normally.The Surface Pro runs Windows 8. Now, as you know, I find Windows 8 an ill-conceived mashup of two different operating systems. There’s the standard Windows desktop, and there’s a new overlay, which I call TileWorld (because Microsoft hasn’t named it) — a colorful land of big, bright, touch-screen tiles.Because you’ve got two almost completely dissociated operating systems, you wind up with two Web browsers, two Control Panels, two Search mechanisms, two ways of right-clicking. Your own computer now has a split personality.On the regular $500 Surface tablet, Windows 8 makes no sense at all. (It’s a version called Windows RT.) The Windows desktop is there as a shriveled appendage; it can’t actually run Windows programs (except a modified Microsoft Office), so why is it there?But on the Pro, the dual operating system is more defensible. You have TileWorld for use in iPad mode, and the Windows desktop for use when you’re in PC mode.So: should you buy a Surface Pro instead of an ultrathin laptop? Is this a MacBook Air killer?The question isn’t quite as clear-cut as it seems. The keyboard cover requires a hard, flat surface — so you can’t actually use this “laptop” as a laptop in your lap. The two successful ways to use it are (a) in your hands or lap as a touch-screen tablet, or (b) as a laptop on a table or desk.It’s not as flexible when it’s in laptop mode, either; you can’t adjust the screen angle. The lower half of the back is a hinged panel, a razor-thin kickstand, held shut magnetically until you pop it out with a fingernail. It props the tablet sturdily upright — but at a fixed angle.But even if the Surface Pro is not strictly a laptop killer, it nonetheless changes the game. It’s a machine nobody’s built before, and it should get a lot of imaginations whirring.These are first impressions, mind you, based on a supervised hour of playing in a Microsoft hotel room. For example, it’s anybody’s guess what the battery life will be. (Probably less than for a real laptop, since there’s so little room inside for a beefy battery.) In any case, I’ll write a full review when I get my own Surface Pro to test.But for now, it looks as if the Surface Pro is, conceptually and practically, a home run. For thousands of people, it will be an ideal mobile companion. It will mean the end of the daily question: “Hmm, should I take my laptop or my iPad?”
 
Surface Pro out Feb. 9th. Thinking of getting it as we are in the market for a new laptop but it doesn't come with Office?RT came with Office but the Pro doesn't?Office 2013 Home & Business will be $220 making the Pro, with a keyboard, probably come in around $1200+

 
But when you connect it to a TV or external computer monitor, it manages to output an even bigger desktop — 2,550 by 1,440.
Here's where I think it could have value for a lot of people. Instead of separate tablet, laptop and desktop someone can buy a Surface Pro with a desktop monitor when they need to do more serious work.
 
Pricing and release date revealed for the Surface Pro. Once you add in a keyboard cover you're looking at over $1,000 for the lower model. At least the Pen is included.

· 64GB standalone version at $899

· 128GB standalone version at $999
Just for comparison, how much do the 128GB iPads cost?
Considering that The "bare bones" Windows 8 RT Operating system takes up half the free space on a 32GB Surface... I can understand why they would want to make a 128GB version of the (likely larger) Windows 8 Pro edition. :lmao: Since we're concerned about on board storage....For Comparison

64GB Surface RT: 45GB Free Space

64GB Apple iPad: 57.2GB Free Space

I guess the surface's pricing should reflect the 22% decrease in storage?
I realize the above is for the RT, but as for the Pro:http://www.zdnet.com/surface-pro-versus-macbook-air-whos-being-dishonest-with-storage-space-7000011009/

The comparison in the link is for a MacBook Air 128GB and a Surface Pro 128, and they both have about the same amount of usable remaining space. One big difference is that Apple is calculating their space in base 10 number (1000000 = 1GB) whereas Microsoft is still using the standard (except for marketers) base 2 (1024000 = 1GB), so it "looks" better for Apple, but in reality they both are right around the same numbers.

 
'DrJ said:
This hasn't been scrapped yet?
???The real Surface, the pro, isn't getting launched until this weekend. I doubt if that will be scrapped before it's launched.
I think Best Buy had one out, or at least that's what the tag said. I Couldn't tell the difference between the two so maybe it was a regular one with a tag from next week next to it.
 
'Abraham said:
Played with one at best buy. It's a neat device but way too expensive and the keyboard thing is awful.
touch or type keyboard?
The attached flap thingy. The keys require actual pressing but the "depth" or "click" is really shallow. I found it annoying and was wishing that it was more sensitive since the keyboard material is just begging for light typing. I messed with it for a while and had a hard time imagining using it for substantial typing.
 
'Abraham said:
Played with one at best buy. It's a neat device but way too expensive and the keyboard thing is awful.
touch or type keyboard?
The attached flap thingy. The keys require actual pressing but the "depth" or "click" is really shallow. I found it annoying and was wishing that it was more sensitive since the keyboard material is just begging for light typing. I messed with it for a while and had a hard time imagining using it for substantial typing.
There are two attachable keyboards. One is very flat and requires a push (Touch) and the other is a low profile actual keyboard (Type) I already assumed I wouldn't like the Touch and was planning on getting the Type. Not sure which one you were using.
 
'Abraham said:
Played with one at best buy. It's a neat device but way too expensive and the keyboard thing is awful.
touch or type keyboard?
The attached flap thingy. The keys require actual pressing but the "depth" or "click" is really shallow. I found it annoying and was wishing that it was more sensitive since the keyboard material is just begging for light typing. I messed with it for a while and had a hard time imagining using it for substantial typing.
They have an attachable keyboard that is more similar to a regular keyboard. It is much better than the touch.
 
'Abraham said:
Played with one at best buy. It's a neat device but way too expensive and the keyboard thing is awful.
touch or type keyboard?
The attached flap thingy. The keys require actual pressing but the "depth" or "click" is really shallow. I found it annoying and was wishing that it was more sensitive since the keyboard material is just begging for light typing. I messed with it for a while and had a hard time imagining using it for substantial typing.
They have an attachable keyboard that is more similar to a regular keyboard. It is much better than the touch.
The Type cover is far better, almost like a real keyboard, but it's bulkier than the Touch cover.Type coverTouch cover
 
Officially assigned my Lenovo Tablet 2. A bit of a learning curve using Windows 8 on a tablet, but I think I have the hang of it now.

 
I think there is absolutely a market for this type of device, but it will take getting lighter/more battery life until it really catches on.Have a feeling the 2nd generation of this thing will be a hit.

 
Wanted to check one out and maybe buy one, but Microsoft must not have made many for the launch. Every version is sold out, even on microsoft a own site.Did they only make like 200k of these or something?

 
Officially assigned my Lenovo Tablet 2. A bit of a learning curve using Windows 8 on a tablet, but I think I have the hang of it now.
How is this one? I was seriously looking at this tablet more so than the Surface. Screen size good and all? I'm getting the feeling that tablets, used for work and professional type stuff will be the bigger size (10.1" or so) compared to the iPad size or even smaller. In fact, Apple should ditch the current iPad form factor and get with the program with a widescreen one.
 
Officially assigned my Lenovo Tablet 2. A bit of a learning curve using Windows 8 on a tablet, but I think I have the hang of it now.
How is this one? I was seriously looking at this tablet more so than the Surface. Screen size good and all? I'm getting the feeling that tablets, used for work and professional type stuff will be the bigger size (10.1" or so) compared to the iPad size or even smaller. In fact, Apple should ditch the current iPad form factor and get with the program with a widescreen one.
It's only been a couple days but the Windows 8 UI makes a lot of sense once you get used to it. I asked some of the other people in my department and they said basically the same thing. One thing I don't like, and I don't know if this is Lenovo's fault or Microsoft's fault, but the keyboard app doesn't always appear when I'm doing something that would obviously require a keyboard. Like the command prompt or the browser address bar. I'm used to Android just knowing when to deploy the keyboard and when to put it away.
 
Been using my surface pro 128GB for a week now. I started my tablet journey back with the iPad and eventually went on to Android, I am a bit of a tablet junky trying to find one that was an actual productivity tool. I have owned the followingiPad (sold on ebay after 3 months)Xoom (wife uses this now)Asus Transformer (father in law bought this)Samsung Galaxy (Oldest daughter uses this)iPad 2 (sold to a friend)Samsung Galaxy II (Youngest daughter uses this)Asus Transformer Prime (I still have this)I must say that the surface is an amazing product. It is a tablet, but it also is more like an ultrabook or mac air. This might actually be the real tablet that is a productivity tool. Again I have onlt used it a week, but this is the first tablet I have really loved. I liked the Xoom (my first android tablet) but tablets until now have been mostly for entertainment.SO far I am loving the Surface.

 
To me I prefer the Surface Pro over the Air, but I am not a part of the apple eco-system anymore. If I was deeply into apple products I might prefer to own a iPad, MacAir, and Desktop Unit. With the surface I think I will not need my laptop anymore, I feel I get a Tablet and Laptop in one.

 
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I want to want one of these. I just struggle to justify one over the MB Air.
The Touch is essentially an Ultrabook in tablet config. Really tech wise there aren't a lot of differences. The Touch does have two cameras. And the Touch is about 100.00 cheaper. It really depends on use. If you are using it for work in an office with MS Office and Exchange the Touch Pro should be easier to work with. If that doesn't matter and it's just for personal use go with what you like best.
 
We were seriously considering getting the Surface Pro to replace our laptop but it looks like we'll hold out, maybe for 2nd gen. I really wanted a tablet but we were also considering the Dell XPS12. We barely use our laptop, mostly just for my wife when we travel so it's not an issue to wait. Surface Pro doesn't have a "mic in" jack and that's a killer for me, taking away the ability to do voiceovers while mobile. Hopefully battery life will improve with the 2nd edition too.

 
We were seriously considering getting the Surface Pro to replace our laptop but it looks like we'll hold out, maybe for 2nd gen. I really wanted a tablet but we were also considering the Dell XPS12. We barely use our laptop, mostly just for my wife when we travel so it's not an issue to wait. Surface Pro doesn't have a "mic in" jack and that's a killer for me, taking away the ability to do voiceovers while mobile. Hopefully battery life will improve with the 2nd edition too.
USB MicBluetooth MicEither of these an option?
 
We were seriously considering getting the Surface Pro to replace our laptop but it looks like we'll hold out, maybe for 2nd gen. I really wanted a tablet but we were also considering the Dell XPS12. We barely use our laptop, mostly just for my wife when we travel so it's not an issue to wait. Surface Pro doesn't have a "mic in" jack and that's a killer for me, taking away the ability to do voiceovers while mobile. Hopefully battery life will improve with the 2nd edition too.
USB MicEither of these an option?
:bag: duh! :thumbup:

 
dumped my ipad and am very close to getting one of these. Debating whether to wait for 2nd generation which should be lighter and have better battery life with Haswell coming soon.

 
dumped my ipad and am very close to getting one of these. Debating whether to wait for 2nd generation which should be lighter and have better battery life with Haswell coming soon.
I think the 2nd gen will be a better product for sure, but with that said I am not really ready to wait the 9 months to a year to have the product I have been waiting for since I first entered the tablet market. Waiting is a reasonable thing to do, but I do enjoy being an early adopter.
 
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I feel pretty confident in saying that I don't particularly care for the ThinkPad Tablet II. I would like to get my hands on a Surface Pro though.

 
'jamny said:
We were seriously considering getting the Surface Pro to replace our laptop but it looks like we'll hold out, maybe for 2nd gen. I really wanted a tablet but we were also considering the Dell XPS12. We barely use our laptop, mostly just for my wife when we travel so it's not an issue to wait. Surface Pro doesn't have a "mic in" jack and that's a killer for me, taking away the ability to do voiceovers while mobile. Hopefully battery life will improve with the 2nd edition too.
I like both the XPS 12 and Surface Pro but it comes down to getting a real keyboard on the 12 vs. the portability and weight of the Pro.
 
'jamny said:
We were seriously considering getting the Surface Pro to replace our laptop but it looks like we'll hold out, maybe for 2nd gen. I really wanted a tablet but we were also considering the Dell XPS12. We barely use our laptop, mostly just for my wife when we travel so it's not an issue to wait. Surface Pro doesn't have a "mic in" jack and that's a killer for me, taking away the ability to do voiceovers while mobile. Hopefully battery life will improve with the 2nd edition too.
I like both the XPS 12 and Surface Pro but it comes down to getting a real keyboard on the 12 vs. the portability and weight of the Pro.
If by a real keyboard you mean mechanical the type keyboard is mechanical. The touch is the non-mechanical one.
 
'jamny said:
We were seriously considering getting the Surface Pro to replace our laptop but it looks like we'll hold out, maybe for 2nd gen. I really wanted a tablet but we were also considering the Dell XPS12. We barely use our laptop, mostly just for my wife when we travel so it's not an issue to wait. Surface Pro doesn't have a "mic in" jack and that's a killer for me, taking away the ability to do voiceovers while mobile. Hopefully battery life will improve with the 2nd edition too.
I like both the XPS 12 and Surface Pro but it comes down to getting a real keyboard on the 12 vs. the portability and weight of the Pro.
If by a real keyboard you mean mechanical the type keyboard is mechanical. The touch is the non-mechanical one.
what type of battery life are you seeing so far?
 
'jamny said:
We were seriously considering getting the Surface Pro to replace our laptop but it looks like we'll hold out, maybe for 2nd gen. I really wanted a tablet but we were also considering the Dell XPS12. We barely use our laptop, mostly just for my wife when we travel so it's not an issue to wait. Surface Pro doesn't have a "mic in" jack and that's a killer for me, taking away the ability to do voiceovers while mobile. Hopefully battery life will improve with the 2nd edition too.
I like both the XPS 12 and Surface Pro but it comes down to getting a real keyboard on the 12 vs. the portability and weight of the Pro.
If by a real keyboard you mean mechanical the type keyboard is mechanical. The touch is the non-mechanical one.
I've tried it and it doesn't have the same feel as a laptop keyboard. You also need a flat surface to use it.
 
'jamny said:
We were seriously considering getting the Surface Pro to replace our laptop but it looks like we'll hold out, maybe for 2nd gen. I really wanted a tablet but we were also considering the Dell XPS12. We barely use our laptop, mostly just for my wife when we travel so it's not an issue to wait. Surface Pro doesn't have a "mic in" jack and that's a killer for me, taking away the ability to do voiceovers while mobile. Hopefully battery life will improve with the 2nd edition too.
I like both the XPS 12 and Surface Pro but it comes down to getting a real keyboard on the 12 vs. the portability and weight of the Pro.
If by a real keyboard you mean mechanical the type keyboard is mechanical. The touch is the non-mechanical one.
what type of battery life are you seeing so far?
It lasted the whole flight from NY to LA watching movies.I have had about 4.5-6 hours. I generally am close to power outlets but was surprised it lasted the full flight.
 

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