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Are you guys really that ignorant that you actually think McCarthy had nothing to do with this guy getting fired. There may be a lot more to the story but to think that McCarthy had nothing to do with this is laughable.KingPrawn said:
This is probably closer to the truth. No one is going to get fired for saying "Lets kick some butt this week" or even "Lets kick some ###". No one knows what this guys work history was, or what was truly said, except those involved.Anyone who believes that's truly what was said is kidding themselves. Somewhere the truth is, but geez, come on all you haters, think about it rationally for a minute.trader jake said:
Why?Don't think a grounds crew super visor wants to kiss up to the big boss and say he took care of it?
No...im really not.Im saying there are many possibilities...and it makes little sense logically to think McCarthy fired the guy as has been claimed in places...or even told them to fire him.Im not automatically assuming what actually happened and blasting one person for it.
So you are an insider? Ok tell us what exactly happened?
Do you get paid to kiss up to the big boss too?
I'm not necessarily saying MM had anything to do w/ the guy's firing. I mean, MM simply comes across like a big-time doosh to me. I opined in a Favre thread last year (I think on another site) that MM & TT would be better off hiring PR people as they both just came across in the wrong way. What I've seen of MM (VERY subjective on my part, I know), makes me think he's simply a doosh bag, not a very likable guy. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do w/ his abilities as a coach.
Common sense. Something you don't have.So you are an insider? Ok tell us what exactly happened?
I'm guessing it's not so trivial to the guy who lost his job
I could see this opinion about THompson at times.But MM just comes off as a guy who does nothing but give cliched coach-speak answers to anything.Never got a dooshy feel from him.Thompson I could see because he does not talk to the media much and seems to be cold with them and with fans at times...not all that open to things as some predecessors were. But...to each his own.Either way with him being involved or not...Im hoping he is gone after this season.
Well tell us what exactly happened. I'm dying to know.I don't know what happened, and I don't assume what happened. Could McCarthy have fired him for this? You bet.Could his supervisor have fired him for this? You bet.What did he say?You actually believe the guy said that all he said was to "have your boys kick some butt"?Yea, that's exactly what happened.
Well......... What happened?Common sense. Something you don't have.So you are an insider? Ok tell us what exactly happened?
Well know. But Im guessing that guy is not posting here.I did not mean its not trivial to a guy losing his "part time" job...he actually does have another job.I meant it from the standpoint of the Green Bay Packers football team...its rather trivial.
And for you clowns that actually think McCarthy was not involved in any way with the firing.Well tell us what exactly happened. I'm dying to know.I don't know what happened, and I don't assume what happened. Could McCarthy have fired him for this? You bet.Could his supervisor have fired him for this? You bet.What did he say?You actually believe the guy said that all he said was to "have your boys kick some butt"?Yea, that's exactly what happened.
You tell us since you seem 100% certain you know.Well......... What happened?
Again, what actually happened?????And for you clowns that actually think McCarthy was not involved in any way with the firing.Well tell us what exactly happened. I'm dying to know.I don't know what happened, and I don't assume what happened. Could McCarthy have fired him for this? You bet.
Could his supervisor have fired him for this? You bet.
What did he say?
You actually believe the guy said that all he said was to "have your boys kick some butt"?
Yea, that's exactly what happened.
You tell us since you seem 100% certain you know.Well......... What happened?
You tell us since you seem 100% certain you know.Well......... What happened?
Gotta love watching Mr. Pack in action. I think he may be an uncle to sho nuff.Again, what actually happened?????And for you clowns that actually think McCarthy was not involved in any way with the firing.Well tell us what exactly happened. I'm dying to know.I don't know what happened, and I don't assume what happened. Could McCarthy have fired him for this? You bet.
Could his supervisor have fired him for this? You bet.
What did he say?
You actually believe the guy said that all he said was to "have your boys kick some butt"?
Yea, that's exactly what happened.
, I'm waiting for you to tell us.You need some reading comprehension. The post you just quoted I said McCarthy could be involved.
Maybe this is your problem, you don't comprehend what you read. You only read into things what you WANT it to be,
Yawn...shocking, a response about another poster...and you still bring up me.
Well, I'm done with you. Obviously you can't comprehend what I'm saying and you keep making stupid assumptions. Since you seem to KNOW McCarthy was involved and won't tell the rest of us why, please don't post until the rest of us know for sure what happened.Gotta love watching Mr. Pack in action. I think he may be an uncle to sho nuff.Again, what actually happened?????And for you clowns that actually think McCarthy was not involved in any way with the firing.Well tell us what exactly happened. I'm dying to know.I don't know what happened, and I don't assume what happened. Could McCarthy have fired him for this? You bet.
Could his supervisor have fired him for this? You bet.
What did he say?
You actually believe the guy said that all he said was to "have your boys kick some butt"?
Yea, that's exactly what happened.
, I'm waiting for you to tell us.You need some reading comprehension. The post you just quoted I said McCarthy could be involved.
Maybe this is your problem, you don't comprehend what you read. You only read into things what you WANT it to be,
That's the point. The comment made to McCarthy was trivial, but the guy lost his job for it. McCarthy may not have asked for the guy to be fired, but the fact that he even mentioned it to someone with the authority to fire him is stupid and in fact does mean he is respoinsible for the guy losing his job.
For the most part I agree with you, but the thing is, we just don't know exactly what was said. We don't know how trivial the comment was.
First of all, that's a stretch. Second, if he wanted to know the guys name, he could ask him himself. And finally, if the situation happend as you described, the guy wouldn't have been fired. In fact, there would be no grounds to fire him and he'd have a lawsuit, which I'm pretty sure he does anyway.
The strong likelihood here is that the guy is (was) an employee at will, so the Packers can fire him for just about any reason (or no reason at all), without risk of being sued.Look McCarthy said he didn't know anything about the guy getting fired, by whom, or why. Who works on the grounds crew is not his dept. To me that's easy to believe to be true, even knowing that this incident is indeed what led to that outcome. My guess is, word of this thing got around the organization, and from there the decision to can the guy was made without McCarthy's input or even knowledge.
How does it matter what the guy said? Unless he said something like "if you lose, I'll hunt you down and kill you" or "I ****ed your mother" then I can't imagine the statement was bad enough to deserve firing. In other words, it's borderline irrelevant what the guy said.In all reasonable scenarios, the guy was being a jerk off, said something stupid, MM overreacted and said something to a higher up, the guy then got fired.
First of all, I would say it is highly likely that this employee's manager acted on his own discretion in firing this part-time maintenance guy and extremely unlikely that McCarthy would have any role in non-football operational matters within the organization. I agree that McCarthy could should have known that his discussion with the manger could lead to that result, but it is highly unlikely that he demanded or even suggested that result - he almost certainly has not authority to do so. Secondly, anyone can file a lawsuit over anything at all, but there are no grounds whatsoever for a non-frivolous termination lawsuit in this situation.Finally, I would suggest that if this guy had never been fired, and the media had somehow gotten ahold of the story, the same cast of Monday morning joe six packs would be in here howling about how he's lost the team, he's become a joke in the organization, and even the janitor feels free to insult him without repercussion.
THIS.Exactly. How does what he said affect his ability to cut grass and roll out tarps? Verbal warning for acting and saying something stupid. This does not = getting fired. I'd be getting a lawyer.
Your lawyer would explain employment at will, and make it clear that you have no case, and then send you on your way with his bill for $200.
Hmmm...had no idea. Things are a little different here in Canada. As a Manager, I wish I had this latitude to fire some of my people.
He can find a lawyer who'll play up the conflict between MM and find a way to get a settlement.
The lawyer would also likely explain that what the Packers did was thin-skinned, childish, and that they looked like high-profile a-holes as a result. He'd probably also advise the guy to keep showing up at the stadium bar for every game to continue showing he's a true Packer fan and to keep the negative publicity focused squarely where it belongs --- on the Packers.LOL at making the case that because an employer can do something, it's the right thing to do.
Ok, didn't know it was this "employee at will" with different rules, but even lawsuit aside, if McCathy (spelling error intentional) commented back and left it at that, the media, the guys boss, and none of us would have ever heard of this incident. We all did because McCathy couldn't be a man about it.
Without knowing exactly what McCarthy said to any higher up...how can you say he overreacted?
Its not a front office issue.
Bolded the part that is not factual at all and just a pure assumption.
The guy was fired and McCarthy could have prevented it or made sure he got this job back. He didn't. McCarthy comes across as a baby. Defend him all you want. The majority of comments about this on Packer message boards are against the front office for this.http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/69990532.html
Hilarious that people don't have the common sense to realize what took place here. Employee makes a comment that McCarthy doesn't like...McCarthy responds with a comment to the employee and then finds out the name of that employee.
After all of this time and reading all of these posts, you still do not know how to write in paragraph form? Seriously?
An employee with 22 years with one company generally doesn't get fired in the middle of the company's busy season. Economics aren't a factor so there must be something else. The Packers appear very petty and vindictive here.
