Mike & Mike Draft Special (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

On Tuesday, M&M had a draft special on ESPN Radio. Here are some of the notes from the show.

* They start with McShay's latest mock draft.

1. MIA Jake Long- solidifies OL, makes Beck and Brown better, want to get deal done predraft. MIA has given up on moving down in the draft. Long is a safe pick and it comes down to finances.

Gholston could go 1, or could fall to 8. McShay says he is overrated, but many think he will be a good player. May not be athletic enough to play the DE in the 3-4.

I will post as I watch.

Tivo

 

[LionsFan78]

 

[jeter23]

2. STL Glen Dorsey- Tough decision with good options, Carriker would move outside and Dorsey would play inside. Dorsey is a 1 gap player, in the Sapp mold.

3. ATL Matt Ryan- if Dorsey is still on board, they might take him, but if not, they take Ryan vs everyone else. Ryan is almost perfect for them after all they have been through.

Viewer Email-Ryan vs Brohm-- it is not even close and it does not come down to stats. If so, Brennan would be the top pick.

4. OAK Chris Long- Howie's son, could make a big impact and help solidify D.

5. KCC Brandon Albert- Leaning towards taking Ryan, if there. They are liking him more and more. They would also look to move down, if Ryan falls, maybe trying to trade with Baltimore. Albert is not the 5th best player, but has been rising. Played G in college and they could reach for him.

 

[jeter23]

6. NYJ Darren McFadden- if it plays out this way, the Jets get the top talent in the draft. They could not pass him up, but teams are not looking to move up for him, since he is a RB and the draft is deep with them. The only other team that might take him is Oakland.

7. NEP Sedrick Ellis- their top priority would be to trade down. NO could want to move up for Ellis.

8. BAL Vernon Gholston

9. CIN Ryan Clady

10. NOS Keith Rivers

11. BUF Devin Thomas- a reach but they always reach for their needs, and he is the top WR.

12. DEN Chris Williams

13. CAR Derrick Harvey

14. CHI Jeff Otah

15. DET Rashard Mendenhall

16. ARZ Leodis McKelvin

More to come later

 

[Mr. Peterson]

On Tuesday, M&M had a draft special on ESPN Radio. Here are some of the notes from the show.

* They start with McShay's latest mock draft.

1. MIA Jake Long- solidifies OL, makes Beck and Brown better, want to get deal done predraft. MIA has given up on moving down in the draft. Long is a safe pick and it comes down to finances.

Gholston could go 1, or could fall to 8. McShay says he is overrated, but many think he will be a good player. May not be athletic enough to play the DE in the 3-4.

I will post as I watch.

Tivo

He wouldn't be a DE in the 3-4, he would be an amazing LB in a 3-4.

 

[Bob Henry]

I didn't hear much of it, but they were talking about who the Eagles might take.. that they've liked linemen in the past, need a WR, but haven't gone back to that hole since Freddie Mitchell only McShay called him Freddie Milons mistakenly. I chuckled and turned it back over to Killer Kowalski talking Lions draft.

He says the Lions had/have Jonathan Stewart rated higher than Mendenhall. They like Derrick Harvey then Clady and then Jared Mayo. They'll look for starters at DE, MLB, OT and possibly RB.

One of his statements that I didn't quite get was something to the effect that no matter who the Lions took at corner (presumably if they went CB at 15) that rookie wouldn't beat out Brian Kelly for a starting job. So, they won't go corner and instead look for a player that will fill a starting/immediate need like DE, MLB, OT or RB. I'm not sure I buy that. A top corner couldn't beat out Kelly? I know he's well versed in the defense, but he's almost older than dirt at this point in his career.

I don't think the Lions should go corner in the first round anyway, but it's that line of thinking that always frustrates me with the Lions. It's not like they ever draft a BPA with the idea that the guy keeping the position warm might be toast in a year.

Anyway, Lions hihack over..

 

[jeter23]

Kiper and McShay now both on

Some of Kiper's general thoughts

* [Kiper] Gholston is all over the board. Can't see NE taking Ellis over Gholston.

[McShay] Gholston doesn't fit, 1 dimensional, NE don't like drafting LBs that high, not as high on Seymour as once were

[Kiper] Ellis is a luxury pick and they need help in the secondary

* [Kiper] Devin Thomas is a one year wonder, great physical ability, but a reach at 11 to Buf. They need a CB as much as a WR. If Buf wants a WR, they should move down and teams will be willing to move up to 11.

Kiper top 5 CB-

1. DRC

2. Talib

3. McKelvin

4. Jenkins

5. Flowers

* Where does Ryan compare to other recently drafted QBs? [Kiper] He is in the class with Eli, Ben and Rivers. He could fall to BAL at 8. Teams do not have to force a pick early based on need.

Viewer email- Will Cowboys trade up to get McFadden if he falls? Thsi caused a big debate between Kiper and McShay about Felix Jones. Kiper is pro-Jones and McShay would not take him in the 1st. They never answered the question.

 

[jeter23]

McShay's top 5 QBs

Viewer questions- Will Woodson be drafted in the top 4 rounds? Yes, after Ryan, Brohm, Flacco, Booty, Henne. Long throwing motion is the problem. He can make it, but will tale a couple of years of work to get there.

1. Ryan

2. Brohm

3. Henne

4. Flacco

5. Booty

Will BAL finally get the QB they need? Yes, it will be Ryan, Flacco, Henne, or Brohm.

Who will CHI take in the 1st? OL is the top choice. Otah or Williams, could go QB in the 2nd.

Will it be smart for ATL to pass on QB this year and take one next year? Not a lot of good options next year and they have a lot of early picks. They should take the best 2nd round QB.

When will Ray Rice get picked? 2nd round, he is short, but can use it to his advantage. One of the top 5 backs.

 

[westbrook36]

McShay just lost all credibility to me when I saw he has the Iggles taking Jerod Mayo. Omar Gaither played MLB pretty well last year, Stewart Bradley is slated to be the starter(good young LB), Chris Gocong could play MLB if need be, and they have a project player in Pago Tagofu on the team. The last thing this team needs is a MLB. Plus the Eagles would never draft a LB in the first round. He obviously did not put much thought into that selection.

 

[FUBAR]

* Where does Ryan compare to other recently drafted QBs? [Kiper] He is in the class with Eli, Ben and Rivers. He could fall to BAL at 8. Teams do not have to force a pick early based on need.

I realize Mel's a "guru" and we're supposed to defer to his braintrust, but I'm giving a big, red, old fat X on this one. He'll probably get drafted before Ben was, but he's nowhere near the QB.

 

[switz]

* Where does Ryan compare to other recently drafted QBs? [Kiper] He is in the class with Eli, Ben and Rivers. He could fall to BAL at 8. Teams do not have to force a pick early based on need.

I realize Mel's a "guru" and we're supposed to defer to his braintrust, but I'm giving a big, red, old fat X on this one. He'll probably get drafted before Ben was, but he's nowhere near the QB.

Sorry... but Ben was not rated as highly coming out of college, and has grown a ton as an NFL QB. I'm in the minority, but still feel he is a tad overrated as a QB, and is much more dependent on the team having a great running game/supporting cast than a true blue chip QB.I think the comparison between the three and Ryan is fine. They are all about the same level of QBs... great with a supporting cast, but not going to win games by themselves.

 

[WampusCat43]

6. NYJ Darren McFadden- if it plays out this way, the Jets get the top talent in the draft. They could not pass him up, but teams are not looking to move up for him, since he is a RB and the draft is deep with them. The only other team that might take him is Oakland.

7. NEP Sedrick Ellis- their top priority would be to trade down. NO could want to move up for Ellis.

8. BAL Vernon Gholston

9. CIN Ryan Clady

I stopped reading right here. Cincy's got too much $ invested in three current tackles to let their obvious defensive deficiencies be ignored. Marvin's trying to save his job.

 

[jeter23]

Viewers call

Jets- Is McFadden a need? No, but he makes the team better by making other positions of need better, like WR and OL, as Peterson did for Minny last year.

Eagles- Tricky spot, love drafting linemen but need a WR, could bring in a vet like CJ if available, they do not like to draft WRs early, but could take Hardy Thomas, but McShay thinks they take the best OL or DL.

Dolphins- could they pass? Says it is an interesting theory as they save 12 million by dropping to 4. Whoever they take at any spot will want #1 overall money, there are benefits of having the pick as well like getting whoever you want and having some leverage against the players

 

[jeter23]

More emails--

Should Miami trade for more experience? No one wants to move up. They like 4 guys (2 Longs, Gholston and ???) It is a signability issue. J Long is not the best player in the draft.

Packers- 2nd round on a QB? Not that early, but maybe 3rd, someone like Booty. Rodgers was very ranked coming out, so they should be happy to have Rodgers. QB class is very deep.

Steelers- Could be OL, was maybe Albert but he has moved up. Kelley could go in the late 1st to Pitt, A DL fits their scheme like Balmer

 

[jeter23]

More updates later tonight, if anyone wants them.

 

[identikit]

More updates later tonight, if anyone wants them.

 

[Irish]

* Where does Ryan compare to other recently drafted QBs? [Kiper] He is in the class with Eli, Ben and Rivers. He could fall to BAL at 8. Teams do not have to force a pick early based on need.

I realize Mel's a "guru" and we're supposed to defer to his braintrust, but I'm giving a big, red, old fat X on this one. He'll probably get drafted before Ben was, but he's nowhere near the QB.

Sorry... but Ben was not rated as highly coming out of college, and has grown a ton as an NFL QB. I'm in the minority, but still feel he is a tad overrated as a QB, and is much more dependent on the team having a great running game/supporting cast than a true blue chip QB.I think the comparison between the three and Ryan is fine. They are all about the same level of QBs... great with a supporting cast, but not going to win games by themselves.

Switz you are mistaken. The Giants have said that if there was no deal for Eli, they had Ben rated higher than Rivers and were going to take Ben if no deal was in the works. A lot of teams questioned Rivers side armed delivery and were skeptical. What great supporting cast did Ben have last yr while having a Pro Bowl season?

 

[FUBAR]

* Where does Ryan compare to other recently drafted QBs? [Kiper] He is in the class with Eli, Ben and Rivers. He could fall to BAL at 8. Teams do not have to force a pick early based on need.

I realize Mel's a "guru" and we're supposed to defer to his braintrust, but I'm giving a big, red, old fat X on this one. He'll probably get drafted before Ben was, but he's nowhere near the QB.

Sorry... but Ben was not rated as highly coming out of college, and has grown a ton as an NFL QB. I'm in the minority, but still feel he is a tad overrated as a QB, and is much more dependent on the team having a great running game/supporting cast than a true blue chip QB.I think the comparison between the three and Ryan is fine. They are all about the same level of QBs... great with a supporting cast, but not going to win games by themselves.

Switz you are mistaken. The Giants have said that if there was no deal for Eli, they had Ben rated higher than Rivers and were going to take Ben if no deal was in the works. A lot of teams questioned Rivers side armed delivery and were skeptical. What great supporting cast did Ben have last yr while having a Pro Bowl season?

I recall the same, and while it could just be that I saw more of Ben in college (lived in the midwest), or perhaps the level of competition wasn't great, but I liked the kid a lot. Ryan has the talent, but doesn't seem to have the intelligence. Ben is among the most football-intelligent players in the league.

I'd be completely shocked if Ryan approaches the same level of success as Ben has already experienced.

 

[awesomeness]

* Where does Ryan compare to other recently drafted QBs? [Kiper] He is in the class with Eli, Ben and Rivers. He could fall to BAL at 8. Teams do not have to force a pick early based on need.

I realize Mel's a "guru" and we're supposed to defer to his braintrust, but I'm giving a big, red, old fat X on this one. He'll probably get drafted before Ben was, but he's nowhere near the QB.

I'm pretty sure Mel was referring to how they were ranked coming out of college. He's saying Ryan is ranked as high as Rivers, Eli, and Big Ben when they were coming out of college. In this case, what Mel said seems more than reasonable to me.

 

[jeter23]

Viewer emails

Jets- Kiper says Gholston, but McFadden is an option if he falls

Bears- They should go OL and the RB class is deep. Otah is a perfect fit for them and then they get Ray Rice in the 2nd

Is Rice the best small RB?- he should not be defined as small, he is short not small, did 23 reps on the bench, Arz at 50 is a possibility for him

 

[jeter23]

KC- if Ryan falls, they would take him

NYJ- Jets would not take Ryan if he fell to 6

Both would try and trade down before picking.

Best player by position, according to McShay

QB- Ryan- very high grade, will be upper echelon starter in NFL

RB- McFadden- off field issues have no bearing on his status

WR- Kelly- won't be the first taken, Thomas will be first

TE- Keller- short and won't block, late 1st at best

OL- Long

DE- C Long

DT- Dorsey- a little better than Ellis

LB- Rivers- more traditional

CB- McKelvin- gives you a lot in return game as well

S- Phillips, could go 31 to NYG