Mike Shanahan: Should he be on the hot seat? (1 Viewer)

[flapgreen]

Talk about dumb. Some teams are keeping coaches that should be fired, and others are firing coaches they should be keeping. This league is full of all sorts of dummies

 

[pinda]

To add to my previous post, this isn't as big of a loss as you guys think.

Most Broncos fan know that Shanahan's play calling was very questionable lately. This year he finally gave it away to the OC, and look at the offense.

My bet is they bring in a strong, defensive minded coach and let the offense do its thing with Shanahan not in the picture.

 

[ceo3west]

This thread is proof positive that Shanahan is the most overrated head coach in the NFL.

 

[Gopher State]

Not a good move by Denver, Shanny had what 7 RB's end up on injured reserve, his best defensive players missed a large part of the season, and they almost make the playoffs.

Teams will be in a bidding war for him.

 

[Buffaloes]

To add to my previous post, this isn't as big of a loss as you guys think.Most Broncos fan know that Shanahan's play calling was very questionable lately. This year he finally gave it away to the OC, and look at the offense.My bet is they bring in a strong, defensive minded coach and let the offense do its thing with Shanahan not in the picture.

I hope so...they have the offense. I think they are a strong-minded coach and good GM away from becoming a top team again.

 

[thatguy]

This is shocking given that Bowlen has repeatedly said the job is Shanny's for as long as he likes.

IMO, the only way this is a good move is if they get Cowher. Cowher is just what the Broncos need as far as a more defensive minded coach and a guy who can fire up the players, something Shanny clearly was failing at.

 

[Buffaloes]

This is shocking given that Bowlen has repeatedly said the job is Shanny's for as long as he likes.IMO, the only way this is a good move is if they get Cowher. Cowher is just what the Broncos need as far as a more defensive minded coach and a guy who can fire up the players, something Shanny clearly was failing at.

What would you think if they got Spagnuolo?

 

[thatguy]

Wonder what he's going to do with his newly built 30 acre 8 million dollar estate now....

 

[CiderHouse]

Rat to KC?

 

[pinda]

This is shocking given that Bowlen has repeatedly said the job is Shanny's for as long as he likes.IMO, the only way this is a good move is if they get Cowher. Cowher is just what the Broncos need as far as a more defensive minded coach and a guy who can fire up the players, something Shanny clearly was failing at.

What would you think if they got Spagnuolo?

Pioli and Spagnuolo.........WOULD LOVE THIS........DROOOOOOOLI'd say Denver is the #1 on the list for most potential coaches and GM's. Defense is the key weakness, franchise QB and long term WRs/TEs/OL in place.

 

[Gopher State]

This is shocking given that Bowlen has repeatedly said the job is Shanny's for as long as he likes.IMO, the only way this is a good move is if they get Cowher. Cowher is just what the Broncos need as far as a more defensive minded coach and a guy who can fire up the players, something Shanny clearly was failing at.

AP: Jets will seek Bill Cowher to become head coach NEW YORK (AP) — The New York Jets will talk to Bill Cowher about their vacant coaching job, a person familiar with the search told the Associated Press on Tuesday.While no formal discussions have been scheduled yet, the team plans to speak soon with the former Super Bowl-winning coach, according to the person who requested anonymity because the individual was not authorized to discuss the search.Cowher has also expressed interest in the job that opened Monday, the person said, when the Jets fired Eric Mangini after three seasons.Cowher would be a good fit for Denver, but I think the Jets will throw to much cash his way to go anywhere else.

 

[renesauz]

I wonder if many of the pro-Shanny posts have considered the fact that he's also been wearing the GM hat. If he were just the coach, this firing might be questionable...but as a GM he's been ....well, bad.

And if he wouldn't drop the GM role to become "just" the coach...what other choice would there be?

I think he's still a good coach, and should be quickly employed...but that doesn't make Denver wrong for canning him.

 

[a_troll00]

Is there any chance Mike Holmgren is interested in coaching in 2009? I'm thinking he would be the best fit for the Broncos.

 

[fsufan]

Talk about dumb. Some teams are keeping coaches that should be fired, and others are firing coaches they should be keeping. This league is full of all sorts of dummies

looks like Cinny is going to keep Lewis and Denver fires Shanny

 

[flapgreen]

The Vikings need to look into Shanahan.

If only they would've missed the playoffs, that would've been a possibility

 

[Smeagol]

The Vikings need to look into Shanahan.

About 3/4 of the league needs to look into Shanahan.

 

[thatguy]

Is there any chance Mike Holmgren is interested in coaching in 2009? I'm thinking he would be the best fit for the Broncos.

I don't think there's anyway we see Holmgren in the NFL anytime soon. And I think Cowher is a better fit anyway.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Shanny had 3 years, 20M left on his deal, right? Isn't that guaranteed, as long as he doesn't coach elsewhere?

If I was the Mastermind, I'd do a lot of traveling, fishing, surfing, golfing, etc the next 3 years collecting $6.66M per.

 

[pinda]

Is there any chance Mike Holmgren is interested in coaching in 2009? I'm thinking he would be the best fit for the Broncos.

I don't think there's anyway we see Holmgren in the NFL anytime soon. And I think Cowher is a better fit anyway.

oh god no, talk about a backwards move.any defensive minded coach is two steps forward.any offensive minded coach is either stay in place or 5 steps backward. an offensive minded coach pulls playcalling from Jeremy Bates and the offense takes 2 steps back.

 

[jonessed]

He's a pretty crappy GM. I'm guessing he wouldn't go back to just being the head coach.

 

[JuniorNB]

Talk about dumb. Some teams are keeping coaches that should be fired, and others are firing coaches they should be keeping. This league is full of all sorts of dummies

looks like Cinny is going to keep Lewis and Denver fires Shanny

Marvin Lewis is a defensive genius. Just look at how Cinci held down some of the league's best offenses this year. You're right though, he's not a good head coach.If Lewis were fired, he'd be a great defensive coordinator for Denver. They desperately need a guy like him. Put Lewis at DC and hire Mike Martz as head coach to work with Cutler, Marshall, and Royal.WOW!

 

[pinda]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

 

[rascal]

I'm sorry but this is BS. They won't replace him with a better coach. This sure isn't good news for Jay Cutler owners.

nah...Bates had more to do with Cutler's progress this year than anything IMO.

 

[rascal]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

Thomas has been basically starting for two years so I can't see how you can call him a bust. But yes his drafting has been horrible, but sans Moss and Crowder has shown marked improvement lately.

 

[pinda]

I'm sorry but this is BS. They won't replace him with a better coach. This sure isn't good news for Jay Cutler owners.

nah...Bates had more to do with Cutler's progress this year than anything IMO.

if there was a sign that said great posting, i would have used that.Bates is single handedly responsible for rejuvinating that Broncos offense, it may have been Shanny's playbook, but it was Bates play calling.

 

[pinda]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

Thomas has been basically starting for two years so I can't see how you can call him a bust. But yes his drafting has been horrible, but sans Moss and Crowder has shown marked improvement lately.

I call him a bust b/c he's a starter for us, he's a DT3 or a DT4 on any other team. I don't think we need to dicuss how bad our run defense was, and that starts in the middle of the line.Yes he's been gold with offensive players lately. Check the last 3 years, and he reeks on picking defensive players. What's been our problem for about the last 15 years.......defense. Don't forget that even our superbowl years, our defense just got it together in the last few weeks and went on a run, even then they weren't the greatest defense. But since the Superbowl years, how many defensive coordinators?

I loved the move in the offseason of firing Sundquist, it meant Shanny had no more scapegoats, and sure enough, 8 months later, here we are.

 

[Buffaloes]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

Thomas has been basically starting for two years so I can't see how you can call him a bust. But yes his drafting has been horrible, but sans Moss and Crowder has shown marked improvement lately.

Crowder was inactive much of the year and Moss was a healthy scratch for the finale against SD.

 

[Buffaloes]

I'm sorry but this is BS. They won't replace him with a better coach. This sure isn't good news for Jay Cutler owners.

nah...Bates had more to do with Cutler's progress this year than anything IMO.

if there was a sign that said great posting, i would have used that.Bates is single handedly responsible for rejuvinating that Broncos offense, it may have been Shanny's playbook, but it was Bates play calling.

It will be interesting to see what the new HC and GM decide to do with Bates and the offensive coaches since most coaches like to bring their own guys on board. I would think that the defensive coaches would be let go.

 

[H.K.]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

What was Ted Sundquist's role from 02-07? His title was GM, correct?

 

[rascal]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

Thomas has been basically starting for two years so I can't see how you can call him a bust. But yes his drafting has been horrible, but sans Moss and Crowder has shown marked improvement lately.

Crowder was inactive much of the year and Moss was a healthy scratch for the finale against SD.

Reading comprehension down?

 

[rascal]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

Thomas has been basically starting for two years so I can't see how you can call him a bust. But yes his drafting has been horrible, but sans Moss and Crowder has shown marked improvement lately.

I call him a bust b/c he's a starter for us, he's a DT3 or a DT4 on any other team. I don't think we need to dicuss how bad our run defense was, and that starts in the middle of the line.Yes he's been gold with offensive players lately. Check the last 3 years, and he reeks on picking defensive players. What's been our problem for about the last 15 years.......defense. Don't forget that even our superbowl years, our defense just got it together in the last few weeks and went on a run, even then they weren't the greatest defense. But since the Superbowl years, how many defensive coordinators?

I loved the move in the offseason of firing Sundquist, it meant Shanny had no more scapegoats, and sure enough, 8 months later, here we are.

What came first the chicken or the egg? Fact is that Thomas is starting. Just because he was a starter for the Broncos doesn't mean he couldn't start for somebody else. It could have been a combination of scheme and horrible LBs as well.

 

[Buffaloes]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

Thomas has been basically starting for two years so I can't see how you can call him a bust. But yes his drafting has been horrible, but sans Moss and Crowder has shown marked improvement lately.

Crowder was inactive much of the year and Moss was a healthy scratch for the finale against SD.

Reading comprehension down?

Must have skimmed over the sans.

 

[rascal]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

What was Ted Sundquist's role from 02-07? His title was GM, correct?

yeap...since Sundquist left the drafting has improved dramatically. Shanny obviously gets some blame as well, but Sundquist was horrible in evaluating all talent. Shanny just sucked in evaluating defensive talent.

 

[pinda]

Darryl Gardener, Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Dale Carter, DeWayne Robertson, the Browncos experiment.

Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Deltha ONeal, Marcus Nash all first round picks.

Busts from 4th round or higher since 2000

Tim Crowder, Marcus Thomas, Foxworth, Clarett, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy Leseur, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nicholas Eason, Bryant McNeil, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Paul Toviessi, Nick Harris, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Lennie Friedman, Chris Watson, Travis McGriff, Eric Brown, Curtis Alexander

for every cutler, marshall and royal there's been some horrendous picks.

HE IS A HORRIBLE GM.

What was Ted Sundquist's role from 02-07? His title was GM, correct?

yeap...since Sundquist left the drafting has improved dramatically. Shanny obviously gets some blame as well, but Sundquist was horrible in evaluating all talent. Shanny just sucked in evaluating defensive talent.

Sundquist was a scapegoat, Shanny had final say over players. That would include free agents, trades, and draft picks.Shanahan and Sundquist were drifting apart on personnel. Their styles clashed.

This is just one of many articles that you can see by googling it:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008...t-on-same-page/

Sundquist's personnel staff could offer their accumulated insights on various players in college and the pros, only to be shot down later by the coach (see Tatum Bell, Simeon Rice and Daryl Gardener in football reference books).

On the other hand, it appears Shanahan was frustrated by what he perceived as a lack of strong conviction by Sundquist. Pros and cons were laid out on various players, but strong opinions on whether they should be pursued aggressively weren't offered more and more as time passed.

One thing was clear in this personnel instance: The ultimate call regarding the new direction of the front office was Shanahan's alone.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

All I can say is it's ABOUT TIME.

 

[Judge Smails]

Owners don't like late season collapses. Give them a bad taste heading into the next season. The ownership felt better about their situation in SF (right or wrong, could be a mirage) then they do at Denver, Dallas, NYJ, etc. What will be shocking is if Jerry Jones sticks to his word. I don't see how he can. Wade Phillips doesn't inspire confidence - at all. That team will never, and I mean never, get to the Superbowl with him at the helm.

Shanny is now the #1B for teams to target, after the golden child named Cowher. Especially teams with pathetic offenses. Cleveland anybody? Young QB to work with - might be a decent fit.

 

[Autumn Wind]

This is wonderful news. Watching Shanny own the Raiders got old about a decade ago.

 

[renesauz]

This is wonderful news. Watching Shanny own the Raiders got old about a decade ago.

 

[Banger]

I think they've made a big mistake. How about KC? Then he would have coached 3 of the 4 AFC west teams. Then he can stick it to the Raiders and the Bronco's twice a year.

 

[Jason Wood]

Wonder what he's going to do with his newly built 30 acre 8 million dollar estate now....

Wow...$8mm sounds like it goes a LONG way in Colorado

Is there any chance Mike Holmgren is interested in coaching in 2009? I'm thinking he would be the best fit for the Broncos.

I don't think there's anyway we see Holmgren in the NFL anytime soon. And I think Cowher is a better fit anyway.

Holmgren has already said he is willing to come back to coaching in 2010; which if history is any indication means he would take a dream job in 2009 if one was handed to him. Either way, he'll be an NFL head coach sooner rather than later if he wants to be.

 

[bonesman]

This sounds like a ploy to motivate... er... NM

 

[Joe Bryant]

at Denver on this one. Good luck there getting a better coach.

J

 

[Ghost Rider]

Shocked. I heard this about six hours ago and am still in shock.

 

[perry147]

Denver's owner always has a plan and I think he already knows who his next coach his going to be, you do not drop someone like Shanahan without already having someone in mind.

 

[super sleeper]

PFT reporting that Shanahan refused to fire Slowik, the DC, which led to his dismissal. Also reporting rumor that Shanny is angling for the SD job, and may have something brewing there already.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

This sounds like a ploy to motivate... er... NM

I think Shanahan takes a year of and has a few choices. Plenty of teams are one more bad year away from a coaching change.

 

[ffldrew]

at Denver on this one. Good luck there getting a better coach.J

What about a better GM?Although I won't know until 11AM Mountain after Bowlen's press conference - but I would think Bowlen asked him to give up the GM/President of Football Operations title and Shanahan refused.moleculo posted in the other thread a good article from Dave Kreiger of the Rocky Mountain News on speculation that Elway may be headed into a role like this. As close as Shanahan and Bowlen were - Elway and Bowlen are even closer.This has been done before and in some cases the franchise turned out for the better - Jimmy Johnson comes to mind. The interesting thing I can't find on the internet so far (Rocky and Denver Post sites) are player comments that are really upset about the call. So far Cutler is upset but it seems to be more about how he found out. The lack of player comments, especially comments that even have some hints of praise seem to be lacking. So this along with the flat efforts in the big games the last 3 seasons perhaps point to Shanahan's ineffectiveness. He lost the team - and I think the dual role has something to do with it. That and as I heard a caller on talk radio this afternoon - perhaps Annabelle Bowlen had already spent the money that Pat Bowlen was counting on by having a home playoff game.

 

[rkrgoat]

Are you guys serious?

WE CAN DRAFT DENVER RUNNING BACKS AGAIN.

That was my first thought after all these post T. Davis years

 

[a_troll00]

at Denver on this one. Good luck there getting a better coach.J

A lot of fans here in Denver seem to be quite happy about this. Then again, most fans in Denver are very moronic, emotional, and irrational. They are simply stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid fans. Did I mention that most Denver Bronco fans are stupid?

 

[Zaxxon]

at Denver on this one. Good luck there getting a better coach.J

A lot of fans here in Denver seem to be quite happy about this. Then again, most fans in Denver are very moronic, emotional, and irrational. They are simply stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid fans. Did I mention that most Denver Bronco fans are stupid?

Can you list the reasons for your unhappiness? I live in Broomfield if it matters.