Mike Shanahan (1 Viewer)

[drdgreenlove]

He should pick a RB and go with it

Forget fantasy football....

No RB is going to get into a rhythm with 10 carries a game....

Just pick one let him run 20 times if it deosnt work try another the next game

if the broncos lose this, it would be a joke imho...

I dont know who is a worse coach now, him or Andy Reid

 

[phillzphan]

He should pick a RB and go with itForget fantasy football....No RB is going to get into a rhythm with 10 carries a game....Just pick one let him run 20 times if it deosnt work try another the next gameif the broncos lose this, it would be a joke imho...I dont know who is a worse coach now, him or Andy Reid

 

[RBM]

Happen to agree. Never been a fan of RBBCs, putting fantasy football aside. Firm believer in letting a rb get into a rhythm

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I wonder if this was inevitable with the loss of Gibbs and Kubiak?

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I dont know who is a worse coach now, him or Andy Reid

Yeah those two guys really stink up the joint...

 

[phillzphan]

He should pick a RB and go with itForget fantasy football....No RB is going to get into a rhythm with 10 carries a game....Just pick one let him run 20 times if it deosnt work try another the next gameif the broncos lose this, it would be a joke imho...I dont know who is a worse coach now, him or Andy Reid

I'm going to side with the guy who won back to back superbowl victories a little while back. As for Andy Reid, his 2 COY + 4 NFC champ appearances + 1 SB appearance beg me to side with him too.what do you have on your coaching resume?

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Tatum Bell was without a doubt the Play of the Week

Now I get to sit back and watch the Portis go nuts.

Getting really tired of both Gibbs and Shanahan.

 

[drdgreenlove]

He should pick a RB and go with itForget fantasy football....No RB is going to get into a rhythm with 10 carries a game....Just pick one let him run 20 times if it deosnt work try another the next gameif the broncos lose this, it would be a joke imho...I dont know who is a worse coach now, him or Andy Reid

I'm going to side with the guy who won back to back superbowl victories a little while back. As for Andy Reid, his 2 COY + 4 NFC champ appearances + 1 SB appearance beg me to side with him too.what do you have on your coaching resume?

I coached my team to the championship in MaddenAs an Eagle fan, Andy's 4th down call was horrible and he deserves to be called out for itAnd SHanahan has no excuse if he loses this game to the legend Herman Edwards

 

[BigRed]

No fear, we all know one of the Bells will get 1000 yds this year because "it's the system" blah blah blah

lol

GB smart enough not to draft any DEN RBs.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He should pick a RB and go with itForget fantasy football....No RB is going to get into a rhythm with 10 carries a game....Just pick one let him run 20 times if it deosnt work try another the next gameif the broncos lose this, it would be a joke imho...I dont know who is a worse coach now, him or Andy Reid

Shanahan and Reid are two of the top coaches in the NFL.

 

[Da Guru]

Tatum Bell won them the game on the last drive..that being said I am so glad I stayed away from any Denver RB!!

 

[The Dude]

He should pick a RB and go with itForget fantasy football....No RB is going to get into a rhythm with 10 carries a game....Just pick one let him run 20 times if it deosnt work try another the next gameif the broncos lose this, it would be a joke imho...I dont know who is a worse coach now, him or Andy Reid

A hair under 4 yards combined on the day for the Bells. I think you're in denial - it really is a fantasy football issue for you.

 

[PatsWillWin]

This thread is ridiculous.

 

[Courtjester]

He should pick a RB and go with itForget fantasy football....No RB is going to get into a rhythm with 10 carries a game....Just pick one let him run 20 times if it deosnt work try another the next gameif the broncos lose this, it would be a joke imho...I dont know who is a worse coach now, him or Andy Reid

A hair under 4 yards combined on the day for the Bells. I think you're in denial - it really is a fantasy football issue for you.

Exactly. The bottom line is a win is a win is a win. Shanny has proven himself year in and year out. In the last 10 years Denver is #1 in how many categories??This year will settle down and it will be one of the Bells in a 70/30 role....

 

[SSOG]

No fear, we all know one of the Bells will get 1000 yds this year because "it's the system" blah blah blahlolGB smart enough not to draft any DEN RBs.

I hate those "on pace for" stats, but...Tatum Bell is currently on pace for 1376 rushing yards (1432 total yards).Mike Bell is currently on pace for 816 rushing yards (1152 total yards).I agree, let's make fun of the idiots stupid enough to waste a 4th or 5th round pick for that kind of production. Even if the Bells don't produce a SINGLE TOUCHDOWN FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON (outside of the one that Mike Bell already has), they're still on pace to finish as the 25th and 27th best RBs in the NFL based on yardage alone, based on last year's stats. Give them four more TDs apiece, and we're looking at a 17th and 23rd place finishes (remember, this is with just 4 more TDs each).Everyone, let's all share a moment of silence in absolute pity for the poor, sad little morons who are saddled with that catastrophic production after drafting the Bells, on average, as the 26th and 30th RBs off the board.

Happen to agree. Never been a fan of RBBCs, putting fantasy football aside. Firm believer in letting a rb get into a rhythm

Let's play a fun little game. I'm going to post the three best rushing seasons Denver's had under Mike Shanahan, and you try to match each result up with a description of what happened that season.1. 542/2539/25, 4.68 yards per carry2. 543/2629/20, 4.81 yards per carry3. 525/2468/26, 4.70 yards per carryA. Terrell Davis's ridiculous season. Davis received 85.6% of the RB carries (74.7% of the total carries).B. Clinton Portis's second year. Portis received 61.4% of the RB carries (52.4% of the total carries).C. Last year. Mike Anderson received 50.4% of the RB carries (44.1% of the total carries) as he headlined an RBBC with Tatum Bell.The answers? 1-C, 2-B, 3-A. Denver actually put up its best fantasy rushing season of the entire Shanahan tenure last year, posting its second-most rushing yards and second-most rushing TDs in the process. They also managed to do all that using nothing more than two minimum-salary players.It's hard to argue with the numbers, and the numbers say that RBBC was every bit as successful as a workhorse system, and significantly cheaper, too.

 

[Garts]

No fear, we all know one of the Bells will get 1000 yds this year because "it's the system" blah blah blahlolGB smart enough not to draft any DEN RBs.

I hate those "on pace for" stats, but...Tatum Bell is currently on pace for 1376 rushing yards (1432 total yards).Mike Bell is currently on pace for 816 rushing yards (1152 total yards).I agree, let's make fun of the idiots stupid enough to waste a 4th or 5th round pick for that kind of production. Even if the Bells don't produce a SINGLE TOUCHDOWN FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON (outside of the one that Mike Bell already has), they're still on pace to finish as the 25th and 27th best RBs in the NFL based on yardage alone, based on last year's stats. Give them four more TDs apiece, and we're looking at a 17th and 23rd place finishes (remember, this is with just 4 more TDs each).Everyone, let's all share a moment of silence in absolute pity for the poor, sad little morons who are saddled with that catastrophic production after drafting the Bells, on average, as the 26th and 30th RBs off the board.

Happen to agree. Never been a fan of RBBCs, putting fantasy football aside. Firm believer in letting a rb get into a rhythm

Let's play a fun little game. I'm going to post the three best rushing seasons Denver's had under Mike Shanahan, and you try to match each result up with a description of what happened that season.1. 542/2539/25, 4.68 yards per carry2. 543/2629/20, 4.81 yards per carry3. 525/2468/26, 4.70 yards per carryA. Terrell Davis's ridiculous season. Davis received 85.6% of the RB carries (74.7% of the total carries).B. Clinton Portis's second year. Portis received 61.4% of the RB carries (52.4% of the total carries).C. Last year. Mike Anderson received 50.4% of the RB carries (44.1% of the total carries) as he headlined an RBBC with Tatum Bell.The answers? 1-C, 2-B, 3-A. Denver actually put up its best fantasy rushing season of the entire Shanahan tenure last year, posting its second-most rushing yards and second-most rushing TDs in the process. They also managed to do all that using nothing more than two minimum-salary players.It's hard to argue with the numbers, and the numbers say that RBBC was every bit as successful as a workhorse system, and significantly cheaper, too.

Hey SSOG....I like your analysis of the situation...ANY chance Tatum takes off with the job or is this RBBC written in stone??

 

[Wadsworth]

I'm very disappointed in this thread. I would love another reason to hate Shanny and opened this thread with hope, but sadly it's just another; "I lost because Shanny didn't give all the carries to my guy" thread.

Oh well, maybe next week.

 

[Chase Stuart]

No fear, we all know one of the Bells will get 1000 yds this year because "it's the system" blah blah blahlolGB smart enough not to draft any DEN RBs.

I hate those "on pace for" stats, but...Tatum Bell is currently on pace for 1376 rushing yards (1432 total yards).Mike Bell is currently on pace for 816 rushing yards (1152 total yards).I agree, let's make fun of the idiots stupid enough to waste a 4th or 5th round pick for that kind of production. Even if the Bells don't produce a SINGLE TOUCHDOWN FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON (outside of the one that Mike Bell already has), they're still on pace to finish as the 25th and 27th best RBs in the NFL based on yardage alone, based on last year's stats. Give them four more TDs apiece, and we're looking at a 17th and 23rd place finishes (remember, this is with just 4 more TDs each).Everyone, let's all share a moment of silence in absolute pity for the poor, sad little morons who are saddled with that catastrophic production after drafting the Bells, on average, as the 26th and 30th RBs off the board.

Happen to agree. Never been a fan of RBBCs, putting fantasy football aside. Firm believer in letting a rb get into a rhythm

Let's play a fun little game. I'm going to post the three best rushing seasons Denver's had under Mike Shanahan, and you try to match each result up with a description of what happened that season.1. 542/2539/25, 4.68 yards per carry2. 543/2629/20, 4.81 yards per carry3. 525/2468/26, 4.70 yards per carryA. Terrell Davis's ridiculous season. Davis received 85.6% of the RB carries (74.7% of the total carries).B. Clinton Portis's second year. Portis received 61.4% of the RB carries (52.4% of the total carries).C. Last year. Mike Anderson received 50.4% of the RB carries (44.1% of the total carries) as he headlined an RBBC with Tatum Bell.The answers? 1-C, 2-B, 3-A. Denver actually put up its best fantasy rushing season of the entire Shanahan tenure last year, posting its second-most rushing yards and second-most rushing TDs in the process. They also managed to do all that using nothing more than two minimum-salary players.It's hard to argue with the numbers, and the numbers say that RBBC was every bit as successful as a workhorse system, and significantly cheaper, too.

 

[thatguy]

The RBBC is working, yes. But after the first two games, I'm of the opinion that Tatum is the superior back, so I tend to agree with greenlove (though Shanny is not an idiot).

Tatum is also beginning to disprove the "he wears down after 10 carries" theory, as he has run strong late in both games. Mike Bell hasn't shown me that he has anything Tatum doesn't have. Case in point, Denver had first and goal on the one, and Mike lost two or three yards. While the hole wasn't here, he should not have lost yards, and this cost Denver what should have been a sure TD. On the contrary, it's quite clear Tatum has skills that Mike Lacks.

I do think Tatum has at least earned a shot at getting the lion's share of the carries (as someone above mentioned, I think 70/30 would be ideal). I don't see this alternating series crap continuing for very long, and frankly, I do think it's bad coaching on Shanny's part. I firmly believe Tatum can be very successful getting 20-25 carries per game. (Though, if it happens this week against NE, it will mean nothing, as I expect the Pats to shut down the Denver running game regardless of who's carrying the ball.)

That said, I was very disapointed with the play calling today. I felt like Shanny was far too conservative early on. When he opened it up late, and started throwing downfield to Javon, Denver moved the ball with ease. Also, I was very surprised that Denver didn't run a single boot today (at least, I don't recall any).

The bottom line is Denver should have blown that game open early on, but Shanny seemed to be in ultra-conservative mode, most likely because he didn't feel the one-dimensional KC offense would produce much (which it didn't).

I don't know, I just think Shanny needs to have a little more faith in his players and let them do their thing. Denver did get the win, and that's all that matters, but if this keeps up, they'll be in for a long season.

ETA, I'm not overly concerned with Denver's lackluster play so far, as these first two weeks bear a very strong resemblance to the first two weeks last season, and that worked out okay.

 

[SSOG]

Hey SSOG....I like your analysis of the situation...ANY chance Tatum takes off with the job or is this RBBC written in stone??

I think there's a great chance that Tatum finally takes off with the job. I also think there's a great chance that Mike finally takes off with the job. On the one hand, I feel like Tatum only got the start because Shanny mistrusts rookie RBs... but on the other hand, Shanny is a very egalitarian coach, and will definitely give reps to whomever is performing better with them.Last season's RBBC was a very fluid, organic RBBC. There was a clear rhyme and reason to it- there was a very specific reason WHY each RB was getting each carry- whether they excelled with those types of carries, or the other RB was getting overworked, or to keep defenses offbalance. This season's RBBC is not very fluid or organic at all. There's no real rhyme or reason behind the carries, other than that it's simply the RB in question's turn. I firmly believe that Shanny is using this sort of mechanical RBBC as a measuring stick to see how both RBs perform in actual game situations, and that if one back starts to differentiate himself from the other, that RB will become the primary ballcarrier (even if primary ballcarrier means a 18/12 split instead of a 16/14 split). I also think that once that happens, we'll start to see more situational splits rather than these formulaic splits (i.e. the backs are in on situations they're well-suited for, rather than just alternating between the two).The big thing to remember, though, is that when I talk about one RB differentiating himself, I don't just mean running the ball- I also mean blocking, and doing all the little things to help the team score. In fact, that might be a good measure- just keep track of how many points the team averages with each RB in the backfield. If one RB starts outshining the other in that regard, then Shanny will recognize that he's better for the offense and start featuring him more.Just my 2c.

I'm very disappointed in this thread. I would love another reason to hate Shanny and opened this thread with hope, but sadly it's just another; "I lost because Shanny didn't give all the carries to my guy" thread. Oh well, maybe next week.

I hear that Mike Shanahan sucks the souls out of live kittens and uses them as a source of energy. Plus, he also framed Roger Rabbit. Oh, and Mike Shanahan let the dogs out.Better?

 

[Wadsworth]

I'm very disappointed in this thread. I would love another reason to hate Shanny and opened this thread with hope, but sadly it's just another; "I lost because Shanny didn't give all the carries to my guy" thread. Oh well, maybe next week.

I hear that Mike Shanahan sucks the souls out of live kittens and uses them as a source of energy. Plus, he also framed Roger Rabbit. Oh, and Mike Shanahan let the dogs out.Better?

LINK?

 

[Futility]

I'm very disappointed in this thread. I would love another reason to hate Shanny and opened this thread with hope, but sadly it's just another; "I lost because Shanny didn't give all the carries to my guy" thread. Oh well, maybe next week.

I hear that Mike Shanahan sucks the souls out of live kittens and uses them as a source of energy. Plus, he also framed Roger Rabbit. Oh, and Mike Shanahan let the dogs out.Better?

LINK?

You can get exciting, fake news or boring, real news but you can't get both, GB.

 

[Couch Potato]

Well, I like Shanahan... so much that he inspired my new team name and team avatar (I did the creative work on it myself). More Shanahanigans

 

[SSOG]

I'm very disappointed in this thread. I would love another reason to hate Shanny and opened this thread with hope, but sadly it's just another; "I lost because Shanny didn't give all the carries to my guy" thread. Oh well, maybe next week.

I hear that Mike Shanahan sucks the souls out of live kittens and uses them as a source of energy. Plus, he also framed Roger Rabbit. Oh, and Mike Shanahan let the dogs out.Better?

LINK?

No link. I heard it on the radio from someone who called in on a call-in show, but I'm sure it's totally reputable.

 

[BowlingBartenderCory]

I may not have been smart enough to stay away from the Denver RB's, but I was smart enough to avoid all Raiders.

 

[mbuehner]

Running games traditionally start the season slowly and get better as the year wears on. I dont think Shanny is worrying about his RBs this morning... his QB is averaging 155 yards, 0 tds and 2 ints per game. Im guessing that might be a bigger concern than their rushing game that is still in the top 10 so far.

 

[packersfan]

SSOG, I know last week it appeared T.Bell was in the game late because it was his turn in the rotation. But yesterday there was no question he was the guy Shanahan wanted on the field late since he got back-to-back possessions. The announcers even mentioned that. It would appear T.Bell has gained Shanahan's trust and is his go-to guy when the game is on the line. He sure looked good on the game-winning drive and you could argue it was his big run that was a primary reason why they won the game.

I think the rotation system is working. T.Bell has looked very good in the first two games in my opinion but M.Bell has also run well. I don't think Shanahan is an idiot for making use of the talent he has to work with at the position. It's similar to what we saw Saban do with Brown/Ricky last season. He had two starting-caliber RBs and did what he could to make sure both were given an opportunity to make use of their talent. I wouldn't say the Broncos are being hurt by the RB rotation and it doesn't appear either Bell is suffering from it. I think the problems reside with Plummer mainly and in Week 1 the defense played all right but needed to force some TOs to help the offense out. They did that yesterday.

 

[malice]

Although I do think KC's defense is improved, yesterday's game was unsettling as a Denver fan.

The noticeable departures I see this year in the play calling is that Plummer isn't running the ball himself (allowing the defense to drop back and set him up for throws into double/triple coverage) and failure to get Scheffler more involved in the passing game. Alexander should be used more as a blocker (God knows he could use the extra protection- especially with the pass rushes coming up) and Scheffler should be a safety valve.

The NE game next week is put up or shut up time. They're going to be on the road, and NE will likely try to tear them apart with Dillon/Maroney just like Larry Johnson did. As for Baltimore after the bye, given what both teams have shown so far, that game has already been decided.