Mike Sims-Walker (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

NFL.com has MSW listed at 6'2", but 214 lbs. That's pretty good size for a WR, especially for one with 4.35 speed.He compares pretty favorably (size wize) to the guys who you said were slam dunks ahead of him. The only guys he is significantly shorter than are Calvin and V Jackson. Those are also the only 2 that he is significantly lighter than. I'd argue that those 2 are "freaks" in that most WRs probably wouldn't be as successful if they got that big and heavy. MSW seems to be big enough to fight off some of the physical types of coverage, and fast enough (and runs good routes) to be able to out-run may guys. I definitely wouldn't put him ahead of Fitz, AJ, Calvin, Wayne, or Moss, but I'd put him in the same "tier" as many of these other guys.Fitzgerald-6'3", 217 lbsA Johnson-6'3", 225 lbsCalvin Johnson-6'5", 236 lbsV Jackson-6'5" 230 lbsR White-6'0", 212 lbsWayne-6'0", 197 lbsColston-6'4", 225 lbsMoss-6'4", 210 lbsD Jackson-5'10", 175 lbsS Smith (Car)-5'9", 185 lbs

I didn't realize he had bulked up so much, so thanks for that. With that said, there is no way he added 17 pounds since the combine and still runs at his combine speed of 4.35. Actually, that would explain why whenever I've seen him I've thought how he didn't look like a 4.3 kind of guy.

jennings?

I don't have Jennings in my dynasty top 10. He's in the 10-20 range, and I'd probably take MSW over him.

I've caught 4 Jacksonville games so far this year. It's hard to tell coverages from TV angles, but from what I've seen, Sims-Walker commands far fewer double teams than a comparable "only option in town" kind of guy should be commanding. Tennessee is the only team I've seen try the "load up on Sims-Walker and force Jacksonville to find another way to beat us" tactic that the best WRs routinely face.

Let me lend a hand - MSW's is getting a LOT of value out of the fact that he (and presumably Garrard in sync with him) adjust at the LOS to the coverage he is facing. WHen he's doubled, the defense is putting a CB within 5 yards of the LOS and rolling a safety over the top to his side. When he's one-on-one (usually in nickel situations), they are giving him a cushion at the line of 8-12 yards. The biggest part of his success to date has been in Garrard knowing to throw him an 8 yard out or 10 yard curl in single coverage, or to throw him a 15-18 yard crossing pattern when he's broken free of double-coverage. His technique is good and he's underrated as a "phyiscal" talent, but much of his consistency is coming from a nice rapport with his QB at the LOS.

Thanks a bunch, insights like these are far and away the best part of the Shark Pool . This definitely highlights how silly the idea that Sims-Walker is somehow producing in a bad situation really is. Sims-Walker is in a very good situation, and Garrard is a very smart NFL QB more than capable of getting the ball to his guys.

 

[sandlotshrink]

It sounds like he missed practice today. Is the knee an issue?

First Calvin, now Sims-Walker.Rotoworld thinks it's a non issue but CBS says he's questionable.My only other receiver after Driver and Breaston is Nicks (start 3) and Nicks plays Thursday.I have tough decisions to make.

Any insider info on the MSW knee injury that sportsline is reporting?

 

[Bayhawks]

It sounds like he missed practice today. Is the knee an issue?

First Calvin, now Sims-Walker.Rotoworld thinks it's a non issue but CBS says he's questionable.My only other receiver after Driver and Breaston is Nicks (start 3) and Nicks plays Thursday.I have tough decisions to make.

Any insider info on the MSW knee injury that sportsline is reporting?

If a player is listed as missing practice on Wednesday, I believe (IIRC) that he has to be listed as Questionable, Doubtful, or Out. They are probably just resting him. MJD sat out Wednesday, too.

 

[Tau837]

NFL.com has MSW listed at 6'2", but 214 lbs. That's pretty good size for a WR, especially for one with 4.35 speed.

He compares pretty favorably (size wize) to the guys who you said were slam dunks ahead of him. The only guys he is significantly shorter than are Calvin and V Jackson. Those are also the only 2 that he is significantly lighter than. I'd argue that those 2 are "freaks" in that most WRs probably wouldn't be as successful if they got that big and heavy. MSW seems to be big enough to fight off some of the physical types of coverage, and fast enough (and runs good routes) to be able to out-run may guys. I definitely wouldn't put him ahead of Fitz, AJ, Calvin, Wayne, or Moss, but I'd put him in the same "tier" as many of these other guys.

Fitzgerald-6'3", 217 lbs

A Johnson-6'3", 225 lbs

Calvin Johnson-6'5", 236 lbs

V Jackson-6'5" 230 lbs

R White-6'0", 212 lbs

Wayne-6'0", 197 lbs

Colston-6'4", 225 lbs

Moss-6'4", 210 lbs

D Jackson-5'10", 175 lbs

S Smith (Car)-5'9", 185 lbs

I didn't realize he had bulked up so much, so thanks for that. With that said, there is no way he added 17 pounds since the combine and still runs at his combine speed of 4.35. Actually, that would explain why whenever I've seen him I've thought how he didn't look like a 4.3 kind of guy.

He was 209 lbs at the 2007 combine. I have no doubt that he could have maintained his speed while adding 5 lbs over 3 years of NFL-caliber training.

 

[Tau837]

Sims-Walker isn't an elite athletic specimen. He's 6'2"/197, so he's not as big as most guys. He ran a 4.35 at the combine when he was at less than 100%, which would be phenomenal if it translated to his game speed, but he doesn't play like a real burner in the mold of a Vincent or Desean Jackson.

Not sure where you got the 197 lbs from. And also kind of funny for you to knock MSW's speed while calling Vincent Jackson a burner... Jackson ran a 4.46 at the 2005 combine.

 

[editor47]

Sims-Walker isn't an elite athletic specimen. He's 6'2"/197, so he's not as big as most guys. He ran a 4.35 at the combine when he was at less than 100%, which would be phenomenal if it translated to his game speed, but he doesn't play like a real burner in the mold of a Vincent or Desean Jackson.

Not sure where you got the 197 lbs from. And also kind of funny for you to knock MSW's speed while calling Vincent Jackson a burner... Jackson ran a 4.46 at the 2005 combine.

SSOG has a man crush on Vjax. Guy has great opinions, but temper what you read when he posts about VJ.

 

[editor47]

MSW practiced fully Thursday so he should be good to go unless he meets a SF hookier.

 

[SSOG]

Sims-Walker isn't an elite athletic specimen. He's 6'2"/197, so he's not as big as most guys. He ran a 4.35 at the combine when he was at less than 100%, which would be phenomenal if it translated to his game speed, but he doesn't play like a real burner in the mold of a Vincent or Desean Jackson.

Not sure where you got the 197 lbs from. And also kind of funny for you to knock MSW's speed while calling Vincent Jackson a burner... Jackson ran a 4.46 at the 2005 combine.

The 197 came from PFR's player page.Also, it's not that funny to call VJax a burner. Combine speed != game speed. VJax has the second highest career ypc of any active player, behind only Devery Henderson. He's clearly an elite deep threat. Whether MSW has a faster track speed, he doesn't have anywhere near that deep ball element to his game.

SSOG has a man crush on Vjax. Guy has great opinions, but temper what you read when he posts about VJ.

Absolutely I have a mancrush on VJax. That doesn't mean people should temper what they read, it means people should decide for themselves if they want on the train or not. Immediately tempering anything anyone with a mancrush says is a dangerous practice. Sometimes, at the end of the day, the guy with the "irrational" mancrush winds up being the only rational guy on the board. I mean, just look around at what thread you're posting in right now. I bet all the people who tempered everything Couch Potato said about MSW are kicking themselves for it right now. Sometimes it just really pays to be the first guy drinking the kool aid.

 

[jagbag]

MSW practiced fully Thursday so he should be good to go unless he meets a SF hookier.

Thanks.Yea, we don't need another "meat curtains" hunting expedition out of him.

 

[Bayhawks]

Also, it's not that funny to call VJax a burner. Combine speed != game speed. VJax has the second highest career ypc of any active player, behind only Devery Henderson. He's clearly an elite deep threat. Whether MSW has a faster track speed, he doesn't have anywhere near that deep ball element to his game.

I've seen VJax play on TV (a few times) but haven't had the opp to actually see MSW (other than highlights). That being said, VJax doesn't seem like a "burner" to me. He never seems to blow by guys, a la Desean Jackson. Is it possible that the high ypc is a combination of the Charger system and a QB who is a better deep ball passer? Jacksonville has the reputation of being a conservative offense, and I've never heard Garrard being described as having a cannon arm.

 

[Tau837]

Sims-Walker isn't an elite athletic specimen. He's 6'2"/197, so he's not as big as most guys. He ran a 4.35 at the combine when he was at less than 100%, which would be phenomenal if it translated to his game speed, but he doesn't play like a real burner in the mold of a Vincent or Desean Jackson.

Not sure where you got the 197 lbs from. And also kind of funny for you to knock MSW's speed while calling Vincent Jackson a burner... Jackson ran a 4.46 at the 2005 combine.

The 197 came from PFR's player page.Also, it's not that funny to call VJax a burner. Combine speed != game speed. VJax has the second highest career ypc of any active player, behind only Devery Henderson. He's clearly an elite deep threat. Whether MSW has a faster track speed, he doesn't have anywhere near that deep ball element to his game.

Perhaps it is just semantics, but to me the term "burner" implies great speed. I don't equate "burner" with "great deep threat" as you seem to be doing here. Being a great deep threat is not just about speed, though it certainly helps a lot. Other components include ability to beat the jam at the LOS, running nice routes, good awareness of the ball in flight, ability to go up and get the ball in coverage, having a QB able to throw accurate deep balls, and good hands, among other things. Jackson has all of these things, so he doesn't have to be a "burner."

 

[SSOG]

Sims-Walker isn't an elite athletic specimen. He's 6'2"/197, so he's not as big as most guys. He ran a 4.35 at the combine when he was at less than 100%, which would be phenomenal if it translated to his game speed, but he doesn't play like a real burner in the mold of a Vincent or Desean Jackson.

Not sure where you got the 197 lbs from. And also kind of funny for you to knock MSW's speed while calling Vincent Jackson a burner... Jackson ran a 4.46 at the 2005 combine.

The 197 came from PFR's player page.Also, it's not that funny to call VJax a burner. Combine speed != game speed. VJax has the second highest career ypc of any active player, behind only Devery Henderson. He's clearly an elite deep threat. Whether MSW has a faster track speed, he doesn't have anywhere near that deep ball element to his game.

Perhaps it is just semantics, but to me the term "burner" implies great speed. I don't equate "burner" with "great deep threat" as you seem to be doing here. Being a great deep threat is not just about speed, though it certainly helps a lot. Other components include ability to beat the jam at the LOS, running nice routes, good awareness of the ball in flight, ability to go up and get the ball in coverage, having a QB able to throw accurate deep balls, and good hands, among other things. Jackson has all of these things, so he doesn't have to be a "burner."

I can see the confusion, but I've always thought that the origin of the word "burner" was from someone who routinely "burned" opposing DBs.Edit: Michael "The Burner" Turner only ran a 4.47.

 

[Bayhawks]

I can see the confusion, but I've always thought that the origin of the word "burner" was from someone who routinely "burned" opposing DBs.Edit: Michael "The Burner" Turner only ran a 4.47.

I tend to think of someone who is lightning fast when I hear "burner" as well. Turner probably only got the nickname b/c it rhymes with his last name.

 

[packersfan]

I hate David Garrard

 

[harryhood]

I hate David Garrard

Now imagine you are a Jags fan....

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

clunker but it was a road game. 3 straight at home for the Jags coming up.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I hate David Garrard

Now imagine you are a Jags fan....

 

[cubbie5150]

I hate David Garrard

Now imagine you are a Jags fan....

Imagine you're an MJD owner

 

[ShaqAttaq]

I hate David Garrard

Now imagine you are a Jags fan....

:(

Imagine you're an MJD owner

imagine if you started MSW in all 4 leagues. MJD+MSW in one of them.

 

[fred_1_15301]

imagine if you started MSW in all 4 leagues. MJD+MSW in one of them.

If you started MSW in all 4 leagues, more than likely you started him in all 4 leagues the past 3 or 4 weeks. You're not going to get much sympathy from me............ :(

 

[(unwelcomed)GUEST]

I hate David Garrard

Now imagine you are a Jags fan....

:(

Imagine you're an MJD owner

imagine if you started MSW in all 4 leagues. MJD+MSW in one of them.

IF you're a Jags fan I feel for you, you need a new coaching staff. If you're a MJD owner and have any common sense you should be in the 9-3 to 7-5 range and in the hunt for a playoff spot. If you started MJD and MSW I'd imagine you lost. Now that, that is out of the way...For those that saw the game, other than Gerard spreading the ball around what happened. One 10 yd completion midway through the game got called back for offensive pass interference, was it a push off? Other than the PI what happened to the greatest thing since sliced bread yesterday?

 

[TenTimes]

For those that saw the game, other than Gerard spreading the ball around what happened. One 10 yd completion midway through the game got called back for offensive pass interference, was it a push off? Other than the PI what happened to the greatest thing since sliced bread yesterday?

Was targeted in the endzone once (that I saw) in the 2nd half on a pass from about the 5 or so, maybe 10, he was on the goalline and the ball went through his hands. Well defended but a good throw and should have been caught. Other than that Gerrard usually just didn't have much time, especially in the 2nd.

 

[Raider Nation]

Really could use a big game out of him tomorrow!

 

[Young 8]

M.I.A. again

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

M.I.A. again

Ya, and they have a lead, could be that way for the entire 2nd half. A very bad time to be going MIA down the stretch run here in fantasy football.

 

[urbanhack]

too much hype

 

[lyon812]

He has the most targets of Jax receivers today. One he probably should have caught (he was well defended), but everything else is Garrard unable to throw it anywhere near him.

 

[Chargers86]

I hate you MSW...

 

[Lord Lucan]

He's had quite a few targets, including one in the end zone, but has been the subject of some really good coverage and a couple of errant throws. Not much consolation (so far) if you desperately need points from him today, but I wouldn't be downgrading him too much for future reference based on what I've seen today.

 

[packersfan]

I still hate David Garrard.

 

[joffer]

He's had quite a few targets, including one in the end zone, but has been the subject of some really good coverage and a couple of errant throws. Not much consolation (so far) if you desperately need points from him today, but I wouldn't be downgrading him too much for future reference based on what I've seen today.

thishe got the targets today. there either was good coverage, or a terrible Garrard throw. very close to getting a TD.

 

[urbanhack]

He's had quite a few targets, including one in the end zone, but has been the subject of some really good coverage and a couple of errant throws. Not much consolation (so far) if you desperately need points from him today, but I wouldn't be downgrading him too much for future reference based on what I've seen today.

thishe got the targets today. there either was good coverage, or a terrible Garrard throw. very close to getting a TD.

He should have had the TD, it hit him right in the hands. The defender may have gotten his hand in there, but he still should have made that catch.

 

[joffer]

He's had quite a few targets, including one in the end zone, but has been the subject of some really good coverage and a couple of errant throws. Not much consolation (so far) if you desperately need points from him today, but I wouldn't be downgrading him too much for future reference based on what I've seen today.

thishe got the targets today. there either was good coverage, or a terrible Garrard throw. very close to getting a TD.

He should have had the TD, it hit him right in the hands. The defender may have gotten his hand in there, but he still should have made that catch.

it would have been a great catch, but agree that good WRs come down with that. still a pretty good play by the DB to get his hand in there.

 

[Bird Of Prey]

So now that the regular season is over where do you rank him for next season. Would you take a guy like Jeremy Maclin over him in a keeper league.

 

[karmarooster]

So now that the regular season is over where do you rank him for next season. Would you take a guy like Jeremy Maclin over him in a keeper league.

i was just evaluating MSWs season last night as i own him in my dynasty league. 2009 stats: 63 - 869 - 7 TDs (essentially 14 games)Prorated to 16 games: 72 - 993 - 8 TDsIMO his ceiling is pretty high for next season, but his floor is pretty low, too. Let's imagine a best case scenario for the Jags: they decide to keep Garrard around and he improves on his hot/cold syndrome that made MSW so volatile. Or the Jags draft a talented QB not named Tebow, sign a FA, or do something else that doesn't hurt his value. His ceiling IMO is something in the neighborhood: 75 catches, 1050 yards, and 8 or so TDs. On the other hand, there are several potential ways that his numbers go down next season. Garrard stays QB and stays very mediocre, but he pretty much ran himself out of town this year. A rookie QB could put a big dent in MSW's numbers, and the Jags don't seem too far from falling off a cliff and having a really bad season (think 3-13). 55 catches, 800 yards, and 4-5 TDs could be what you're looking at on the low end if the wheels really fall off.while he's young and talented, and i like his outlook over the next 5 years, next year is very uncertain. Maclin has some uncertainty regarding his QB situation too, but it will most certainly be either McNabb or Kolb in Andy Reid's system, so it can't get too bad. I think he has a better floor than MSW. but he'll always be one option among many in Philly as long as they have DeSean, Celek, and McCoy surrounding him. Maclin doesn't have the same upside IMO over the long term as MSW. for next season, it's pretty uncertain until we know more about both of their QB situations. i would probably keep MSW over Maclin tho.