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In 21 seasons combined those two guys have managed to play 16 games 3 times - Smith once, Taylor twice. I guess in the years they managed to play 14 games they were "more reliable" than the years they played 2, or 8 or 10, but that's not what I consider reliable overall. They definitely are/were injury prone throughout their careers.
Smith missed seven games in his final four seasons.Taylor missed nine games from 2002-2007 or 12 games from 2002-2008.I understand what you are saying, but missing on average less than two games per season is not that bad for a running back. As is often stated in Brian Westbrook threads, you don't get a 0 at the position so long as you know the injury before the game.I'm not wanting guys to miss any games, but I would prefer high-impact players who occasionally get hurt over a stiff who doesn't get hurt because he's not explosive or doesn't see a lot of work. Both Smith and Taylor missed many more games early in their career than late. Had they started their careers as they finished, they would not have earned the injury-prone label.In 21 seasons combined those two guys have managed to play 16 games 3 times - Smith once, Taylor twice. I guess in the years they managed to play 14 games they were "more reliable" than the years they played 2, or 8 or 10, but that's not what I consider reliable overall. They definitely are/were injury prone throughout their careers.
Isaac Bruce was considered to be an above average injury risk earlier in his career when he was battling issues with his hamstrings...Smith missed seven games in his final four seasons.Taylor missed nine games from 2002-2007 or 12 games from 2002-2008.I understand what you are saying, but missing on average less than two games per season is not that bad for a running back. As is often stated in Brian Westbrook threads, you don't get a 0 at the position so long as you know the injury before the game.I'm not wanting guys to miss any games, but I would prefer high-impact players who occasionally get hurt over a stiff who doesn't get hurt because he's not explosive or doesn't see a lot of work. Both Smith and Taylor missed many more games early in their career than late. Had they started their careers as they finished, they would not have earned the injury-prone label.
It's not just about missed games. How many times were they game time decisions, or played when listed as questionable, or got limited touches because they weren't near 100%? Plenty - that's not reliable in a FF sense. And if they ended their careers missing seriously significant time they definitely would have earned the injury prone label - or gone straight to washed up. That's what's happening to LaDainian right now.Smith missed seven games in his final four seasons.Taylor missed nine games from 2002-2007 or 12 games from 2002-2008.I understand what you are saying, but missing on average less than two games per season is not that bad for a running back. As is often stated in Brian Westbrook threads, you don't get a 0 at the position so long as you know the injury before the game.I'm not wanting guys to miss any games, but I would prefer high-impact players who occasionally get hurt over a stiff who doesn't get hurt because he's not explosive or doesn't see a lot of work. Both Smith and Taylor missed many more games early in their career than late. Had they started their careers as they finished, they would not have earned the injury-prone label.
Jackson - IMO - is exactly one of the guys I feel is injury prone. Even his first couple of seasons he was having problems that he played through (sometimes), his name appearing in the questionable column all too often.
He did it to honor his deceased father. Funny post though and all that.
ah yes, the isaac "bruise" days... then he got orthotics for his shoes and the hammy problems went away. either that or the rams got better and he stopped dogging it, you decide.Isaac Bruce was considered to be an above average injury risk earlier in his career when he was battling issues with his hamstrings...Smith missed seven games in his final four seasons.Taylor missed nine games from 2002-2007 or 12 games from 2002-2008.I understand what you are saying, but missing on average less than two games per season is not that bad for a running back. As is often stated in Brian Westbrook threads, you don't get a 0 at the position so long as you know the injury before the game.I'm not wanting guys to miss any games, but I would prefer high-impact players who occasionally get hurt over a stiff who doesn't get hurt because he's not explosive or doesn't see a lot of work. Both Smith and Taylor missed many more games early in their career than late. Had they started their careers as they finished, they would not have earned the injury-prone label.In 21 seasons combined those two guys have managed to play 16 games 3 times - Smith once, Taylor twice. I guess in the years they managed to play 14 games they were "more reliable" than the years they played 2, or 8 or 10, but that's not what I consider reliable overall. They definitely are/were injury prone throughout their careers.
Brian Westbrook has a similar issue, except I think he is missing an MCL.Also, Isaac Bruce was basically a walking hamstring injury before he broke out big.
So he and his dad don't have the same last name?That Little Voice said:
Good point. Hadnt thought about it that way but apparently not.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=4419437
There is some merit to the idea that some players have a "tissue issue" where their tendons or ligaments or whatever just aren't as durable, or their bones are more brittle, or whatever. 99% of the time, these guys never make it to the pros because their body gives out at a lower level, which is why I'm usually quick to dismiss two unrelated issues as bad luck rather than a major indicator and cause for concern. Generally, 3 similar but unrelated injuries is where I start raising the red flags.Couch Potato said:
Generally any time a baby is born out of wedlock he/she takes the mother's last name rather than the father's.
Same here.
1) Without knowing what route he was told to run, it's speculation that he ran a poor route. It's one thing if he ran the route a couple of feet short, bu it appears he ran it a couple of yards short. That sounds more like he went where he was supposed to. OC's call short plays all the time hoping that the soft underneath coverage leads to an easier completion and that the WR can then make a play. I'm not crazy about those short calls, but they get called all the time by people who get paid to call plays...while I on the other hand pay money so I can call plays on Madden in my living room. I wouldn't consider this a "problem in Walker's game" without knowing for sure that he ran a poor route.2) Meh. Are you worried he gets benched because of this? It doesn't matter who they are, if they're a week 2 wonder, they obviously have holes in their games or they would be proven starters and not made it out of your draft. Flip a coin. You are overanalyzing it if you hang your decision on this one play.
JaxBill said:
This. I think there's a forest /trees thing going on here. MSW is a guy with talent in a good situation to get opportunity. But JaxBill, myself and several other Jax homers have been trying to communicate that there are very serious issues going on in Jacksonville right now that could effect every Jags fantasy player. Sure, MSW is worth a roster spot in most leagues, but be careful who you drop and who you pass over in free agency to pick him up. Injury concerns aside, there are other issues that could limit his performance. Think Atlanta 2007 season type stuff.
Then why are you raising the red flags on Sims-Walker? He doesn't meet the criteria. He had the ACL injury in college. The ACL injury his rookie year was the same injury (i.e. does not meet the "unrelated" criteria), so it still counts as one injury. Then we get the sprained MCL, which brings us to two similar but unrelated injuries. Then we have a high ankle sprain, which is an unrelated injury, but it's not a SIMILAR injury (a high ankle sprain is a very different injury than an MCL sprain)... which means the count is still stuck at two "similar but unrelated injuries". If Sims-Walker has any more problems with his knees going forward, then I'll drop the "injury prone" hammer on him. If he has any problems with his other ankle, I'll probably drop the injury prone label on him due to sheer volume of unrelated injuries. Until then, though, I'm not willing to regard him as a significantly greater injury risk than the average NFL player.
Thanks for the local news/analysis.I'm confused about why Sims-Walker would not also be part of the Jaguars' future. He's 24 years old and was a third round draft pick. Thomas and Dillard are 4th and 5th round picks, right? And Dillard's just a year younger than MSW despite being a rookie. I can understand them wanting to see what their young players can do, but why force out a third-year player possibly just starting to tap into his potential for 4th, 5th, and 7th round (Underwood) rookies?JaxBill said:This. I think there's a forest /trees thing going on here. MSW is a guy with talent in a good situation to get opportunity. But JaxBill, myself and several other Jax homers have been trying to communicate that there are very serious issues going on in Jacksonville right now that could effect every Jags fantasy player. Sure, MSW is worth a roster spot in most leagues, but be careful who you drop and who you pass over in free agency to pick him up. Injury concerns aside, there are other issues that could limit his performance. Think Atlanta 2007 season type stuff.
Like I said, they're all soft tissue injuries, and beyond that they're all ligament injuries, so they're actually all related. He definitely meets the criteria in my book.
And beyond that they're all injuries to the human body. I've broken my foot when 12, broken my hand when 18, broken my finger when 23. I'm brittle.Guy has had bad luck - worth a flier.
Because Gene Smith did not draft him. Thomas, Dillard, and Underwood are his guys.Thanks for the local news/analysis.I'm confused about why Sims-Walker would not also be part of the Jaguars' future. He's 24 years old and was a third round draft pick. Thomas and Dillard are 4th and 5th round picks, right? And Dillard's just a year younger than MSW despite being a rookie. I can understand them wanting to see what their young players can do, but why force out a third-year player possibly just starting to tap into his potential for 4th, 5th, and 7th round (Underwood) rookies?JaxBill said:
yes.
I make allowances for "bad luck" injuries. Guy breaks a bone because some linemen pile on when he's in a vulnerable position or an anvil drops on his collar bone isn't the same thing as repeated ligament injuries - especially when they're different ligaments. People aren't all built the same - some definitely have less elastic/weaker connective tissue than others.I don't think it matters unless you're spraining the same ligament or straining the same muscle. Spraining one ankle doesn't make you more likely to sprain the other. I've sprained both ankles, a knee, a shoulder, strained a calf muscle, a hamstring, and a back muscle, but I don't think that makes me any more injury prone than anyone else who participates in sports. If I start to continuously strain the same muscle or sprain the same ligament, then someone can call me injury prone. Same with MSW. If he starts repeatedly having hamstring strains or ankle sprains, then we can label him injury prone.
No ####? I never knew that. Live and learn.
I'd hang on to Burleson. He's gotten an obscene amount of targets (currently tied for 5th in the NFL) regardless of QB, and it looks like Hass won't be out long (this time). Seattle will be a pass first team all year long.
Unless you have an M.D. in internal medicine or went to school for some sort of related medical degree I don't think you're at all qualified to make generalizations about that.He may very well have a condition such as Rocco Baldelli, but until a poster more qualified steps up, you're guessing. I don't mean it to be rude or anything, but you're point of view needs to be taken with a grain of salt (unless of course you have the aforementioned degree).I make allowances for "bad luck" injuries. Guy breaks a bone because some linemen pile on when he's in a vulnerable position or an anvil drops on his collar bone isn't the same thing as repeated ligament injuries - especially when they're different ligaments. People aren't all built the same - some definitely have less elastic/weaker connective tissue than others.
+1I'm really surprised I landed him in waivers.
Link to where I said I was a doctor? We're all guessing, but you can make better guesses when factoring in available information. You really think Terry Allen continually blowing out ligaments was all bad luck? It's a rule of thumb for me in considering how I value a FF player. If you don't like it, great - take all the grains of salt you need. When I have to consider which guy to try to claim first off waivers, all other things being relatively equal I take the guy who doesn't have a history of repeated soft tissue/ligament injuries. If you want to ignore that, bully for you. I'm not saying Walker is going to suck, I'm saying don't be surprised when he pulls up lame again.Sorry for the hijack, I was just trying to express a concern with this particular player.Unless you have an M.D. in internal medicine or went to school for some sort of related medical degree I don't think you're at all qualified to make generalizations about that.He may very well have a condition such as Rocco Baldelli, but until a poster more qualified steps up, you're guessing. I don't mean it to be rude or anything, but you're point of view needs to be taken with a grain of salt (unless of course you have the aforementioned degree).I make allowances for "bad luck" injuries. Guy breaks a bone because some linemen pile on when he's in a vulnerable position or an anvil drops on his collar bone isn't the same thing as repeated ligament injuries - especially when they're different ligaments. People aren't all built the same - some definitely have less elastic/weaker connective tissue than others.
Yep.Redraft league: Held nose, picked up Walker, starting walker over Royal.....even with Garrabage at the helm.
