
really.. I would think that Sims-Walker is safer than Marshall on a week to week basis.. He didn't do much yesterday until that great catch that he turned in to a TD..Not playing him may have cost me this week. I changed him and Bowe, easily 20 times in the last hour before kickoff. Made the wrong mistake and it's probably going to cost me.Deciding between Bowe and Sims Walker is going to be tough because OchoCinco and Marshall and staying in the lineup.
Marshall's last two weeks have been solid. Bowe hasn't been doing much. I guess I'll just play the matchups. Bowe really burned me vs the Giants. I figured they'd be playing catchup but Haley is a moron and likes to establish a run down big!really.. I would think that Sims-Walker is safer than Marshall on a week to week basis.. He didn't do much yesterday until that great catch that he turned in to a TD..Not playing him may have cost me this week. I changed him and Bowe, easily 20 times in the last hour before kickoff. Made the wrong mistake and it's probably going to cost me.Deciding between Bowe and Sims Walker is going to be tough because OchoCinco and Marshall and staying in the lineup.
I was on the ###-end of that deal...the last holdout CP was refering to earlier, I knew it was best to sit tight on MSW, for 2 reasons:---the team I had him on wasn't doing anything this year, so if Williamson was the starter, so what---Holt is all but toast and MSW would shine like a star next seasonSo WR3-4 value.You will regret that deal. Clayton is capable of being a WR2.Thanks man. I come here with less than an ideal attitude from lack of sleep or whatever and post when I shouldn't sometimes. I'm glad that sometimes I also say stuff worth reading to some people.It pays to be stubborn sometimes, to not jump off that bridge. Someone smarter than me once said you don't give up on a guy you believe in before he's been given a chance to fail. Sometimes it's really hard to stay patient, but I think it will be well-rewarded in this case. When he lost the starting job to Williamson I dug in and traded FOR him (...while cussing Del Rio. LOL). I gave up Mark Clayton before week 1, then Clayton had a nice week and MSW did nada. But I still believed it was a winning dynasty deal.I love your posts on Sims-Walker. You get me pshyched about him every time I read them. You convinced me a long time ago.
Giddy right now that I did not take that leap off the bridge when he lost his job.
One of the reasons I love this place. Grabbed him in both a redraft and a dynasty league after reading this thread.Then again, I also grabbed Michael Bush after reading Raider Nation's thread, so they don't always work out so well.
ouchIf nothing else, at least RN convinced a lot of us NOT to draft McFadden
Tell me about it!Week 2 WW for me.wow, you guys picked him off the ww? you didn't draft him? guppies!
Fixed.wow, you guys picked him off the ww? you didn't draft protect him? guppies!

On the injuries, he's past the injuries of the past and I honestly don't think he's any more at risk than anyone else. Sure, he could get hurt again but that's how I'm looking at it.Other breakouts... this is gonna sound self-serving, but I pimped Devin Hester when no FBG had him ranked in their top-60, 2 years ago. I pimped Finley back in February or March, said he was breaking out this year and s/b top-12 for dynasty. I was trading for Pierre Thomas any time I could this offseason (as were a lot of other guys), and I didn't consider bailing on him when it looked bad to start the year. I made a good call on Kevin Walter the preseason before he broke out and got some laughs for that one. So I've had my hits. But I also pimped Selvin Young in preseason last year. He might have worked out but for the neck injury, we'll never know, but officially if you listened to me and invested in him he was a bust. When Mike Martz came to SF I though Arnaz Battle was going to be a stud WR, and I looked pretty stupid on that one. For a long time I thought Meachem was going to be special. While I haven't completely given up, I'm not expecting anything these days. So I've had my misses too.I'm always looking for places where talent is there and is soon to meet opportunity but hasn't done so yet, and the player is still in the shadows. I liked Schilens a lot for dynasty this Spring and Summer before the bandwagon began filling up. A lot of people came on board later, after his preseason game with all those catches. Now, with the injury and Russell's horrific quarterbacking he may have been forgotten by many. I still like him a lot and am eager to see what happens once he's fully healthy again. Talent finds a way, and in dynasty I think Schilens has a bright future. Russell is a temporary impediment, and will either target the hell out of Schilens so he can shine, or eventually Russell will be benched and someone else will let Schilens shine.I think Danny Ware could be a stud RB if he got a chance to start somewhere. I don't see that opportunity with the Giants, but if he ever goes somewhere else in free agency or is traded, jump all over that one quick.I love Deon Butler for the future. He has Santana Moss ability IMO. Opportunity will eventually be there as Housh declines in the next couple years and Branch moves on. Burleson is doing better than many expected but I'd see him as a complement, not an impediment, to Butler being successful.Sometimes these guys reveal themselves a little bit at a time, sometimes all at once. I think Mohamed Massaquoi is the real deal. I had him in a couple leagues and unfortunately let him go before his big week 4 break out. He was Stafford's WR in college. I think he'll be a very good NFL WR.But I see no one out there right now as obvious to me as Sims-Walker and Hester and Finley were. But I'm looking, always looking.couch, you think he gets injured any time soon?and we are waiting for your next magical breakout player.
JACKSONVILLE -- As David Garrard dissected a defense once regarded as one of the NFL's best, his new go-to receiver inflated his reputation as one of the league's breakout players.
Mike Sims-Walker caught a career-high seven passes for 91 yards and two touchdowns in the Jaguars' 37-17 thumping of the Tennessee Titans on Sunday.
After a catch-less opener, Sims-Walker has 19 receptions for 278 yards and three scores in the last three games. Injuries and tragedy behind him, the Central Florida product is proving he was worthy of a third-round draft pick in 2007.
"I'm the most confident man in the world," he said. "It's finally coming around."
Sims-Walker missed his entire rookie season and most of last year with knee injuries. This year, he lost a training camp battle for the No. 2 wide receiver job to preseason star Troy Williamson, who is now on injured reserve.
Worst of all, he lost his father to a bout with colon cancer last offseason.
The 6-foot-2 Sims-Walker has moved past it all. He is fully healthy, producing and finally ready to shed the "potential" label he dislikes so much. It's been quite a month.
Garrard claims he saw it coming before training camp.
"When he's not hurt and he's on the field playing, he's one of the best," said Garrard, who targeted Sims-Walker 11 times Sunday, more than twice as much as any other option. "He's very easy to throw to. He moves so seamlessly. He's very smooth, great body control. He has a great range, too. So I can put the ball pretty much anywhere, and he's going to get the ball for me."
Granted, the Titans secondary was far from its usual form.
The Jaguars game planned knowing top cornerback Cortland Finnegan (hamstring) and nickel back Vincent Fuller (broken arm) were out. So they attacked through the air from the start, showing something different to a defense that usually smothers the line of scrimmage expecting a heavy dose of Maurice Jones-Drew.
Sims-Walker grabbed three passes for 38 yards in the first quarter, and then he scored his second and third touchdowns of the season in the second quarter.
On the first score, Garrard slipped a 9-yard pass through traffic to Sims-Walker to put the Jaguars up 17-3.
The second touchdown, a 15-yarder, was ruled incomplete before a review overturned it. Sims-Walker made a falling catch in the end zone on top of cornerback Jason McCourty -- Finnegan's replacement -- and lost the ball after his feet hit the ground.
"I came down with the ball, I rolled on top of him, and I still had the ball," Sims-Walker said. "I was about to get up, and the ball came out. I knew it was a touchdown."
Referee Alberto Riveron agreed, and so strongly that in his explanation to the crowd he said Sims-Walker got not two, but three feet down with possession.
In the second half, he even chipped in on special teams. Top wide receivers are usually excused from kickoff coverage, especially in blowouts, but Sims-Walker subbed for an injured Scott Starks.
He actually got a scare on coverage, cramping up running on a third-quarter kickoff. Sims-Walker headed to the locker room but only missed one series.
He says he is eager to play special teams. That's one thing about him that hasn't changed in his young career.
"I'm the same player from my rookie year, I believe," Sims-Walker said. "I've been making plays, they just haven't been in the game on Sunday. Injuries or deaths in family, I don't know why, but finally those are behind me."
JACKSONVILLE -- As David Garrard dissected a defense once regarded as one of the NFL's best, his new go-to receiver inflated his reputation as one of the league's breakout players.
Mike Sims-Walker caught a career-high seven passes for 91 yards and two touchdowns in the Jaguars' 37-17 thumping of the Tennessee Titans on Sunday.
After a catch-less opener, Sims-Walker has 19 receptions for 278 yards and three scores in the last three games. Injuries and tragedy behind him, the Central Florida product is proving he was worthy of a third-round draft pick in 2007.
"I'm the most confident man in the world," he said. "It's finally coming around."
Sims-Walker missed his entire rookie season and most of last year with knee injuries. This year, he lost a training camp battle for the No. 2 wide receiver job to preseason star Troy Williamson, who is now on injured reserve.
Worst of all, he lost his father to a bout with colon cancer last offseason.
The 6-foot-2 Sims-Walker has moved past it all. He is fully healthy, producing and finally ready to shed the "potential" label he dislikes so much. It's been quite a month.
Garrard claims he saw it coming before training camp.
"When he's not hurt and he's on the field playing, he's one of the best," said Garrard, who targeted Sims-Walker 11 times Sunday, more than twice as much as any other option. "He's very easy to throw to. He moves so seamlessly. He's very smooth, great body control. He has a great range, too. So I can put the ball pretty much anywhere, and he's going to get the ball for me."
Granted, the Titans secondary was far from its usual form.
The Jaguars game planned knowing top cornerback Cortland Finnegan (hamstring) and nickel back Vincent Fuller (broken arm) were out. So they attacked through the air from the start, showing something different to a defense that usually smothers the line of scrimmage expecting a heavy dose of Maurice Jones-Drew.
Sims-Walker grabbed three passes for 38 yards in the first quarter, and then he scored his second and third touchdowns of the season in the second quarter.
On the first score, Garrard slipped a 9-yard pass through traffic to Sims-Walker to put the Jaguars up 17-3.
The second touchdown, a 15-yarder, was ruled incomplete before a review overturned it. Sims-Walker made a falling catch in the end zone on top of cornerback Jason McCourty -- Finnegan's replacement -- and lost the ball after his feet hit the ground.
"I came down with the ball, I rolled on top of him, and I still had the ball," Sims-Walker said. "I was about to get up, and the ball came out. I knew it was a touchdown."
Referee Alberto Riveron agreed, and so strongly that in his explanation to the crowd he said Sims-Walker got not two, but three feet down with possession.
In the second half, he even chipped in on special teams. Top wide receivers are usually excused from kickoff coverage, especially in blowouts, but Sims-Walker subbed for an injured Scott Starks.
He actually got a scare on coverage, cramping up running on a third-quarter kickoff. Sims-Walker headed to the locker room but only missed one series.
He says he is eager to play special teams. That's one thing about him that hasn't changed in his young career.
"I'm the same player from my rookie year, I believe," Sims-Walker said. "I've been making plays, they just haven't been in the game on Sunday. Injuries or deaths in family, I don't know why, but finally those are behind me."
Really looking forward to seeing more of him.As am I...JACKSONVILLE -- As David Garrard dissected a defense once regarded as one of the NFL's best, his new go-to receiver inflated his reputation as one of the league's breakout players.
Mike Sims-Walker caught a career-high seven passes for 91 yards and two touchdowns in the Jaguars' 37-17 thumping of the Tennessee Titans on Sunday.
After a catch-less opener, Sims-Walker has 19 receptions for 278 yards and three scores in the last three games. Injuries and tragedy behind him, the Central Florida product is proving he was worthy of a third-round draft pick in 2007.
"I'm the most confident man in the world," he said. "It's finally coming around."
Sims-Walker missed his entire rookie season and most of last year with knee injuries. This year, he lost a training camp battle for the No. 2 wide receiver job to preseason star Troy Williamson, who is now on injured reserve.
Worst of all, he lost his father to a bout with colon cancer last offseason.
The 6-foot-2 Sims-Walker has moved past it all. He is fully healthy, producing and finally ready to shed the "potential" label he dislikes so much. It's been quite a month.
Garrard claims he saw it coming before training camp.
"When he's not hurt and he's on the field playing, he's one of the best," said Garrard, who targeted Sims-Walker 11 times Sunday, more than twice as much as any other option. "He's very easy to throw to. He moves so seamlessly. He's very smooth, great body control. He has a great range, too. So I can put the ball pretty much anywhere, and he's going to get the ball for me."
Granted, the Titans secondary was far from its usual form.
The Jaguars game planned knowing top cornerback Cortland Finnegan (hamstring) and nickel back Vincent Fuller (broken arm) were out. So they attacked through the air from the start, showing something different to a defense that usually smothers the line of scrimmage expecting a heavy dose of Maurice Jones-Drew.
Sims-Walker grabbed three passes for 38 yards in the first quarter, and then he scored his second and third touchdowns of the season in the second quarter.
On the first score, Garrard slipped a 9-yard pass through traffic to Sims-Walker to put the Jaguars up 17-3.
The second touchdown, a 15-yarder, was ruled incomplete before a review overturned it. Sims-Walker made a falling catch in the end zone on top of cornerback Jason McCourty -- Finnegan's replacement -- and lost the ball after his feet hit the ground.
"I came down with the ball, I rolled on top of him, and I still had the ball," Sims-Walker said. "I was about to get up, and the ball came out. I knew it was a touchdown."
Referee Alberto Riveron agreed, and so strongly that in his explanation to the crowd he said Sims-Walker got not two, but three feet down with possession.
In the second half, he even chipped in on special teams. Top wide receivers are usually excused from kickoff coverage, especially in blowouts, but Sims-Walker subbed for an injured Scott Starks.
He actually got a scare on coverage, cramping up running on a third-quarter kickoff. Sims-Walker headed to the locker room but only missed one series.
He says he is eager to play special teams. That's one thing about him that hasn't changed in his young career.
"I'm the same player from my rookie year, I believe," Sims-Walker said. "I've been making plays, they just haven't been in the game on Sunday. Injuries or deaths in family, I don't know why, but finally those are behind me."Really looking forward to seeing more of him.
I own Mike Walker in 5 dynasties and added him after week 2 in one other league. I traded Josh Morgan, Justin Forsett (after his game vs. the Niners where had 6rec,56yds - i was thinking sell high since i'm not a believer in Forsett long-term), and 2010 first for Mike Walker. 2010 first in this league is semi-undervalued as we already have some college players rostered (Dez Bryant, Benn, Dwyer....total of 12), and I have a pretty good core and thought MIke Walker could put me over the top.I believe Mike Walker 2009 is Roddy White of 2007. A 3rd year WR drafted in 14+ round in dynasty/redrafts to have a top 8-12 numbers for 2009. We'll see what happens.So what is MSW value right now? Anybody made a move for him, or moved him.I have him in a start 3 WR non PPR league. I was offered Turner, and Jennings for CJ3 and Roddy White. Still hesitant about pulling the trigger on that one. Guess I've gotta figure out White vs. MSW = for the rest of the year.Also have him in a start 2 WR non PPR. Where I am WEAK at RB. Trying to figure out MSW worth. Have to decide who to move between him, Moss, and Andre Johnson......
I was on the ###-end of that deal...the last holdout CP was refering to earlier, I knew it was best to sit tight on MSW, for 2 reasons:---the team I had him on wasn't doing anything this year, so if Williamson was the starter, so what---Holt is all but toast and MSW would shine like a star next seasonSo WR3-4 value.You will regret that deal. Clayton is capable of being a WR2.Thanks man. I come here with less than an ideal attitude from lack of sleep or whatever and post when I shouldn't sometimes. I'm glad that sometimes I also say stuff worth reading to some people.It pays to be stubborn sometimes, to not jump off that bridge. Someone smarter than me once said you don't give up on a guy you believe in before he's been given a chance to fail. Sometimes it's really hard to stay patient, but I think it will be well-rewarded in this case. When he lost the starting job to Williamson I dug in and traded FOR him (...while cussing Del Rio. LOL). I gave up Mark Clayton before week 1, then Clayton had a nice week and MSW did nada. But I still believed it was a winning dynasty deal.I love your posts on Sims-Walker. You get me pshyched about him every time I read them. You convinced me a long time ago.
Giddy right now that I did not take that leap off the bridge when he lost his job.
---every freakin' time I move a player to the 'Tater, I look like an idiot
yeah, took about a week and I'm already more than pissed...![]()

Granted I'm a MSW owner, but I'm not buying this. Not only is he talented enough to overcome additional coverage IMO, but his schedule is cake and the Jags will be in a lot of high scoring games. The only reason I'd sell is injury risk, but this is a bad reason to sell IMO and in redraft I'm certainly holding. It's guys like this that put fantasy teams over the top.Sell Sims-Walker: I say sell on Mike Sims-Walker. Sure, he’s talented, but after his two TDs on Sunday, he is going to start commanding more defensive respect. That means less-impressive outings because the Jaguars have no other real weapons in the passing game to fear. Sims-Walker has done an admirable job of overcoming injuries to boost his value up again. Yet he won’t be statistically dependable and now is the time to get a healthy return for him in a trade. Take his two-TD outing and run to the trade table with it.
Not to mention that MJD is always going to be the #1 focus of a defense on any down. If they actually double Walker with a safety then they are leaving MJD alone with a linebacker. If they keep both safeties in deep zone the Jags will run MJD all day. After hearing Garrard gush about Walker on Rome (without being prompted), there's no way I'm trading him.This is from Scott Engel @ rototimes:
Granted I'm a MSW owner, but I'm not buying this. Not only is he talented enough to overcome additional coverage IMO, but his schedule is cake and the Jags will be in a lot of high scoring games. The only reason I'd sell is injury risk, but this is a bad reason to sell IMO and in redraft I'm certainly holding. It's guys like this that put fantasy teams over the top.Sell Sims-Walker: I say sell on Mike Sims-Walker. Sure, he’s talented, but after his two TDs on Sunday, he is going to start commanding more defensive respect. That means less-impressive outings because the Jaguars have no other real weapons in the passing game to fear. Sims-Walker has done an admirable job of overcoming injuries to boost his value up again. Yet he won’t be statistically dependable and now is the time to get a healthy return for him in a trade. Take his two-TD outing and run to the trade table with it.
Good point. I'd be all for Maurice not garnering full attention.Not to mention that MJD is always going to be the #1 focus of a defense on any down. If they actually double Walker with a safety then they are leaving MJD alone with a linebacker. If they keep both safeties in deep zone the Jags will run MJD all day. After hearing Garrard gush about Walker on Rome (without being prompted), there's no way I'm trading him.This is from Scott Engel @ rototimes:
Granted I'm a MSW owner, but I'm not buying this. Not only is he talented enough to overcome additional coverage IMO, but his schedule is cake and the Jags will be in a lot of high scoring games. The only reason I'd sell is injury risk, but this is a bad reason to sell IMO and in redraft I'm certainly holding. It's guys like this that put fantasy teams over the top.Sell Sims-Walker: I say sell on Mike Sims-Walker. Sure, he’s talented, but after his two TDs on Sunday, he is going to start commanding more defensive respect. That means less-impressive outings because the Jaguars have no other real weapons in the passing game to fear. Sims-Walker has done an admirable job of overcoming injuries to boost his value up again. Yet he won’t be statistically dependable and now is the time to get a healthy return for him in a trade. Take his two-TD outing and run to the trade table with it.
GOT HIM!
Someone got totally hosedGOT HIM!
Drafted him in my redraft back in August. But I have been so pissed because I really wanted him in my dynasty. Didn't think I'd be able to swing it but I got him essentially for Trent Edwards. It was MSW/Portis for Edwards/F.Taylor/Maroney. This thread really lit my fire though.
I'm an MJD owner in the same league and I think it's a good idea to pair him with MSW. You end up getting your points either way!GOT HIM!
Drafted him in my redraft back in August. But I have been so pissed because I really wanted him in my dynasty. Didn't think I'd be able to swing it but I got him essentially for Trent Edwards. It was MSW/Portis for Edwards/F.Taylor/Maroney. This thread really lit my fire though.
Can you summarize what garrard said..i missed it. TIA.After hearing Garrard gush about Walker on Rome (without being prompted), there's no way I'm trading him.
You have to wonder about guys who throw out a "run to the trade table" statement when a guy emerges. Doesn't it depend completely on who you'd get for him? Is anybody offering you guys Fitz or AJ or Calvin for MSW? No, me neither. So, I assume Engel means sell while his value is *temporarily* higher than guys he thinks you can get for him at this stage, which he probably means is WR30-40 or so. But that's the problem. Assuming he'll decline because he will get more coverage completely ignores the ability he's been showing and will continue to show. Are you willing to settle for a middling WR30-40 or are you excited to think you MIGHT have a real impact player in your line up for the rest of the year? You know my answer to that. There are some unhappy former VJax, Colston, Roddy, etc owners who thought they were selling high. I know, I'm one who blew it big time by selling Colston short early on, for Santana Moss. Ouch. When talent meets opportunity, never run away for fear of extra attention from defenses. There's not a WR in the top 20 who isn't getting extra attention, and you don't deal them for a WR30. Someone asked me in an earlier post if I though a QB makes the WR or vice versa, and I said it could be either. Garrard's comment that he feels like he can just put it up there and Walker will get it meshes exactly with what I said about superior WRs, and I promise you Garrard isn't going to stop throwing to Walker because of extra attention from safeties. He'll keep getting his 9+ targets, and for us that's all that matters.This is from Scott Engel @ rototimes:
Granted I'm a MSW owner, but I'm not buying this. Not only is he talented enough to overcome additional coverage IMO, but his schedule is cake and the Jags will be in a lot of high scoring games. The only reason I'd sell is injury risk, but this is a bad reason to sell IMO and in redraft I'm certainly holding. It's guys like this that put fantasy teams over the top.Sell Sims-Walker: I say sell on Mike Sims-Walker. Sure, he’s talented, but after his two TDs on Sunday, he is going to start commanding more defensive respect. That means less-impressive outings because the Jaguars have no other real weapons in the passing game to fear. Sims-Walker has done an admirable job of overcoming injuries to boost his value up again. Yet he won’t be statistically dependable and now is the time to get a healthy return for him in a trade. Take his two-TD outing and run to the trade table with it.