Missing Cleveland teens found Alive 10 years after being abducted! (1 Viewer)

[seahawk 17]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

 

[whoknew]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

How long did you work as a CO? Do you have a bunch of stories? Maybe you should start a thread on your experiences. OZ.

 

[Don Quixote]

Will people feel the same way if they find out this was simply a tragic case of autoerotic aesphyxiation gone wrong? No I don't feel like spelling that correctly.

Good call...

WTOP ‏@WTOP1m

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Ohio report cites possibility that Ariel Castro died auto-erotic asphyxiation, not suicide.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Will people feel the same way if they find out this was simply a tragic case of autoerotic aesphyxiation gone wrong? No I don't feel like spelling that correctly.

Good call...

WTOP ‏@WTOP1m

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Ohio report cites possibility that Ariel Castro died auto-erotic asphyxiation, not suicide.

Um, so Apple Jack do you have any inside info on next week's lottery numbers you can DM me?

-QG

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

I do not know about what prison you worked, but according my sources the main reason prisoners focus so much wraith on child molesters is because they know the guards don't care what happens to them. Guards are human too and have all the emotions associated with such beings.

 

[seahawk 17]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

I do not know about what prison you worked, but according my sources the main reason prisoners focus so much wraith on child molesters is because they know the guards don't care what happens to them. Guards are human too and have all the emotions associated with such beings.

They tend to focus on child molesters because that is their code. Inmates have their own rules on top of prison rules. Like I posted above, officers do care, if a child molester gets hurt on your watch, it's your ###.

 

[johnnycakes]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

I do not know about what prison you worked, but according my sources the main reason prisoners focus so much wraith on child molesters is because they know the guards don't care what happens to them. Guards are human too and have all the emotions associated with such beings.

They tend to focus on child molesters because that is their code. Inmates have their own rules on top of prison rules. Like I posted above, officers do care, if a child molester gets hurt on your watch, it's your ###.

Total speculation here, but I would hypothesize no small percentage of inmates also endured some molestation as a child.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

I do not know about what prison you worked, but according my sources the main reason prisoners focus so much wraith on child molesters is because they know the guards don't care what happens to them. Guards are human too and have all the emotions associated with such beings.

They tend to focus on child molesters because that is their code. Inmates have their own rules on top of prison rules. Like I posted above, officers do care, if a child molester gets hurt on your watch, it's your ###.

Everyone who has watched MSNBCs "Lockup" knows about the prison code - they tend to mention it about every 10 minutes.

Truthfully how many guards do you think adhere to this code also? Not saying they would willingly allow a prisoner to be killed, but how many turn a blind eye to intimidation, extortion, theft.....

 

[PitbullTD]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

What

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

BS. BS. BS. Exchange papers? You're ####### kidding right?

As to the original question, yes, its true. Cho-mo's are ####ed from the get go. These days however, the majority of guys guilty of that #### are housed together in their own wing, or even seperate prisons just for them and other high risk inmates.

My source: 5yrs in IDOC and 2yrs in KDOC.

 

[PitbullTD]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

I do not know about what prison you worked, but according my sources the main reason prisoners focus so much wraith on child molesters is because they know the guards don't care what happens to them. Guards are human too and have all the emotions associated with such beings.

They tend to focus on child molesters because that is their code. Inmates have their own rules on top of prison rules. Like I posted above, officers do care, if a child molester gets hurt on your watch, it's your ###.

Everyone who has watched MSNBCs "Lockup" knows about the prison code - they tend to mention it about every 10 minutes.

Truthfully how many guards do you think adhere to this code also? Not saying they would willingly allow a prisoner to be killed, but how many turn a blind eye to intimidation, extortion, theft.....

Its not so much turn ablind eye, its that they are easy targets, for gangs, for new guys making a name, they bring the least amount of heat possible. Not zero heat mind you, but less effort on the investigation side and therefor less problems for the lowly CO, and other inmates whether involved or not.

 

[Rayderr]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

What

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

BS. BS. BS. Exchange papers? You're ####### kidding right?

As to the original question, yes, its true. Cho-mo's are ####ed from the get go. These days however, the majority of guys guilty of that #### are housed together in their own wing, or even seperate prisons just for them and other high risk inmates.

My source: 5yrs in IDOC and 2yrs in KDOC.

What did you do to serve those sentences?

 

[PitbullTD]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

What

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

BS. BS. BS. Exchange papers? You're ####### kidding right?

As to the original question, yes, its true. Cho-mo's are ####ed from the get go. These days however, the majority of guys guilty of that #### are housed together in their own wing, or even seperate prisons just for them and other high risk inmates.

My source: 5yrs in IDOC and 2yrs in KDOC.

What did you do to serve those sentences?

Broke the laws of this fantastic Union.

 

[Zow]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

As a guy who represents people with these charges, I'd say that the majority of the time the inmates are safe. Most jails and prisons, at least in my jurisdiction, will segregate these people from general population. Usually then so long as the inmates follow the rules and keeps his mouth shut he won't be touched. However, if the crime is particularly heinous (kill a child, molest a small child, etc.) and notable, word spreads and those inmates are in real danger. They are most susceptible during a court transport.

Regarding the guards, they generally seem interested in keeping people safe. That said, one of the most potentially disastrous moments for a guard and potentially odd ethical situations for me was when we were small-talking at the gym (he happened to go to the same gym as me and recognized me from court) discussing a particularly new inmate charged with something terrible and the guard suggested he was gonna help get him jumped. He didn't give me a chance to tell him I represented the dude.

 

[Zow]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

What

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

BS. BS. BS. Exchange papers? You're ####### kidding right?

It's my understanding that this does take place in ADOC.

 

[PitbullTD]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

What

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

BS. BS. BS. Exchange papers? You're ####### kidding right?

It's my understanding that this does take place in ADOC.

I have never in all my years heard of or witnessed the exchanging of papers. Its considered somewhat an insult to just ask one what they are in for from jump, its also common knowledge that most dont care amd just want to do their time and get out, for third, I dont know many guys that even held onto their papers once they got out of county and through receiving. Quite a few had their discovery and transcripts for the jailhouse lawyers, but you didnt go exchanging with your cell mate. And when the convo came up with cellies about what and when, it was more a passing over yeah I got this much timefor that. Its something easily lied about andhappens alot. The only way of finding out is someone to get suspicious due to multiple stories not adding up and having a friendly guard or someone on the outside look it up. THAT is how it happens.There is definitely no "exchanging of papers". Guy doesnt know what hes talking about.

 

[CurlyNight]

Wow. Anyone watching Dr. Phil today?? Michelle Knight is on talking in detail about what happened to her. Her life before the kidnapping was one of torture too with her mom keeping her imprisoned most of the time and "dumb" so she can keep collecting SDI on her. That explains why she didn't contact her family when she was found to see anyone and why her mom didn't try to find her and let her fall off the police radar. She was raped and got pregnant. The mom's boyfriend comes home and breaks his leg in front of her. One day she goes to see the status on getting her son back since authorities took him out of the abusive home, and he tricks her to go with him The rest of her journey? No words. Holy chit. No words. I never watch Dr. Phil but when I saw she's on, I had to watch. Definitely very street smart. God bless her.

 

[CurlyNight]

part 2 tomorrow. :( ((

 

[seahawk 17]

I would rather have seen him do his sentence where the other prisoners would make his life an additional hell. They love to prey on those who are convicted of child crimes.

is that actually true?

What

I hear it all the time, this prison justice where certain criminals are abused because of their crime

but is it actually something that happens commonly? Or is this just something that gets said and repeated and believed as true with little or no basis in fact?

I worked in a prison as a CO, and it is true. First thing cell mates do is exchange "papers" detailing what you are in for. If you are a child molester/murder you're in trouble. If you lost your "paper" you're automatically labeled a child molester.

I would supervise 150 inmates a day, I didn't know what a majority of them were in for, but I had a list of child offenders, because you have to watch them more closely for their own safety.

BS. BS. BS. Exchange papers? You're ####### kidding right?

It's my understanding that this does take place in ADOC.

I have never in all my years heard of or witnessed the exchanging of papers. Its considered somewhat an insult to just ask one what they are in for from jump, its also common knowledge that most dont care amd just want to do their time and get out, for third, I dont know many guys that even held onto their papers once they got out of county and through receiving. Quite a few had their discovery and transcripts for the jailhouse lawyers, but you didnt go exchanging with your cell mate. And when the convo came up with cellies about what and when, it was more a passing over yeah I got this much timefor that. Its something easily lied about andhappens alot. The only way of finding out is someone to get suspicious due to multiple stories not adding up and having a friendly guard or someone on the outside look it up. THAT is how it happens.There is definitely no "exchanging of papers". Guy doesnt know what hes talking about.

You have a source and I worked the units. I am guessing that I know more than you do on the subject.

I will state that every institute may be different. ( I was BOP)

 

[HughHoney]

Wow. Anyone watching Dr. Phil today?? Michelle Knight is on talking in detail about what happened to her. Her life before the kidnapping was one of torture too with her mom keeping her imprisoned most of the time and "dumb" so she can keep collecting SDI on her. That explains why she didn't contact her family when she was found to see anyone and why her mom didn't try to find her and let her fall off the police radar. She was raped and got pregnant. The mom's boyfriend comes home and breaks his leg in front of her. One day she goes to see the status on getting her son back since authorities took him out of the abusive home, and he tricks her to go with him The rest of her journey? No words. Holy chit. No words. I never watch Dr. Phil but when I saw she's on, I had to watch. Definitely very street smart. God bless her.

Thanks for posting. Her story is very clear now.

 

[Drop]

Is there a place to watch the full Dr Phil episodes online?

 

[shadyridr]

Serious question, is she a midget?

 

[CurlyNight]

Is there a place to watch the full Dr Phil episodes online?

It's on again tomorrow, Thursday, 10 am pst. Worth the watch. Really didn't get a good feel as to what she went through just based on the news reports.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Serious question, is she a midget?

4 feet 7 inches

 

[Rayderr]

Ohio state patrol: Ariel Castro committed suicide, with handwritten notes nearbyBy Greg Botelho and Kevin Conlon, CNN
updated 11:46 PM EST, Wed December 4, 2013

(CNN) -- Corrections officers looking inside Ariel Castro's cell found him with a sheet tied around his neck, his knees bent, his shorts around his ankles, 27 minutes after their last look.

They also found that the convicted kidnapper had apparently done more than kill himself that day, according to a report on Castro's death from the Ohio State Highway Patrol. He wrote a note -- dated that same day, September 3 -- invoking scripture and saying that those who confessed with their heart "will be saved."

"God loves you," Castro wrote in all capital letters, "for all are sinners, we all fall short of the glory of God. Christ is my saviour and yours!!"

Did this constitute a suicide note? That's subject to interpretation; the only person who would know it, Castro, isn't alive to answer.

But the report released Wednesday indicates that he did indeed kill himself.

In the process, it also refuted a theory he died accidentally while engaged in auto-erotic asphyxiation, with state patrol spokeswoman Lt. Anne Ralston saying no evidence was found to support this claim.

One fact that some said pointed to this possibility was the fact that Castro was found with his pants pulled to his ankles and without underwear in his cell at the Correctional Reception Center in Orient, Ohio. But, based partly on conversations with several inmates, the report found that Castro "frequently struggled to hold his pants up" after losing weight in prison. Moreover, an official indicated that Castro "frequently did not wear underwear," so the fact he didn't have any on at the time of his death wasn't surprising.

Beyond that, the report also provides fresh detail into the final day of Castro, who just five months earlier was holding three women -- as well as one of their young daughters, whom he'd fathered while in captivity -- in his Cleveland home.

The document details nine times, between 2:14 p.m. and when his hanging body was found at 9:18 p.m., that corrections officers had looked into his cell or went near or past it.

He got a tray of food at 5:29 p.m., for instance, and a "supervisor, an officer and a nurse (stood) in front of" Castro's cell one hour and 10 minutes later, according to surveillance video.

The next time anyone went by was 8:51 p.m., when the report indicated "an officer looked into Inmate Castro's cell."

"During the entirety of the video, no one is observed entering or exiting inmate Castro's cell prior to the emergency call by the officers," the report notes.

It added that "possible inaccurate and/or questionable entries" on the log book detailing what inmates were visited, and when, were found, but "no discrepancies were directly related to the death of Inmate Castro." This comes after a report released in October found that two prison guards responsible for checking on Castro "did not timely perform" their required rounds.

Inside, they found the handwritten letter quoting Romans 8:39, a small Bible and another note that had "love" -- inscribed in a heart -- "my kids and grandkids." Also appearing all around that paper were the names of family members, interspersed with symbols such as hearts, flowers and musical notes.

At the time of his death, Castro had been sentenced to life plus more than 1,000 years for kidnapping and repeatedly raping three young women: Michelle Knight, Georgina DeJesus and Amanda Berry. The former school bus driver lured the women -- some of whom he knew through his own children -- at different times into his home, where he variably tied them up, sexually assaulted them and prevented from having any contact with the outside world.

With the help of people nearby, Berry (then with her young daughter) escaped May 6 and called 911. The other two women, still inside the Seymour Avenue home, were rescued by authorities a short time later.

 

[snitwitch]

dead giveaway

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This Michelle Knight is an amazing person. I really equate her experience of that of a POW, and I hope her book makes her a very rich woman. If any one person deserves it, she does.

 

[Rayderr]

Still sucks that Castro is going to get out in about 999 years.

 

[Sarnoff]

What's weird is NBC is turning this into a sitcom

 

[shadyridr]

Still sucks that Castro is going to get out in about 999 years.

umm hes dead

 

[shadyridr]

What's weird is NBC is turning this into a sitcom

yeah i saw that

 

[Rayderr]

Still sucks that Castro is going to get out in about 999 years.

umm hes dead

And what was his sentence?

 

[TLEF316]

Charles rasmsey was the man

 

[Doctor Detroit]

What's weird is NBC is turning this into a sitcom

yeah i saw that

What’s on tap: Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, written by Tina Fey with her 30 Rock partner Robert Carlock, has already been ordered to series — though, sadly, without its superior working title: Tooken. The show chronicles the life of the titular Kimmy (Ellie Kemper), a young woman recently freed from decades of imprisonment in the house of a religious loon. Instead of resuming her Midwestern, middle school existence, Kimmy moves to the mean streets of New York City, where she takes up with Titus (Tituss Burgess, D’Fwan on 30 Rock), a fabulous, underemployed actor. I’ve read the script and, unsurprisingly, it’s hilarious: full of the sort of aggrieved urban lunacy ($17 cocktails! Walk-up apartments! Matt Lauer!) that made Liz Lemon an icon, but leavened with a sweetness tailor-made for Kemper. Here’s the thing, though — and by “thing,” I mean the terror sweats that are keeping NBC’s marketing department up at night: There’s no getting around the fact that early drafts of Kimmy were at least loosely inspired by the horrific Ariel Castro kidnappings in Cleveland — far from anyone’s idea of a comedy. Fey and Carlock go to great pains to up the silliness — the abductor is a weirdo fundamentalist who tells his abductees that humanity has been replaced by wolves and robots — and it’s the sort of inciting incident that might recede once Kimmy’s adventures in Manhattan take hold. But it’s still an early red flag for a show that has so far seen nothing but green lights.

Well wolfs and robots is a lot different than rapes and forced abortions IMO.

 

[Mario Kart]

http://news.yahoo.com/police-woman-found-10-years-kidnapping-222701110.html

WTF?