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Missing Cleveland teens found Alive 10 years after being abducted! (1 Viewer)

Kal El said:
Charles Ramsey is one of the funniest people on TV, but I saw a story on Yahoo that one of the kidnappers helped hand out fliers of one of the missing girls he kidnapped. My already negative opinion of the guys just got astronomically worse.
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It's not unusual for kidnappers to do this. It's any easy way for a civilian to keep track of the investigation from the inside.

 
And yeah this guy is owning the internet right now. I still say him and Uncle Ruslan day time talk show. Ratings gold.

 
Ignoramus said:
johnnycakes said:
The one big question I have is, did he call 911 using an Obamaphone?
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I've seen this referenced a few times. What does this mean?
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Back many years ago the government started a program to get landlines in poor homes. Under W it was expanded and includes wireless phones now. Some conservative group got a black woman on video talking about the phone Obama got her and so was born the Obama phone. Another fact deficient meme is born.

 
NCCommish said:
Ignoramus said:
johnnycakes said:
The one big question I have is, did he call 911 using an Obamaphone?
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I've seen this referenced a few times. What does this mean?
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Back many years ago the government started a program to get landlines in poor homes. Under W it was expanded and includes wireless phones now. Some conservative group got a black woman on video talking about the phone Obama got her and so was born the Obama phone. Another fact deficient meme is born.
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lol, it is funny/sad that history will show Obama hooked up black people with free phones.

All my resident Obama hater at work says is how Obama gave free phones to black people.

 
NCCommish said:
Kal El said:
Charles Ramsey is one of the funniest people on TV, but I saw a story on Yahoo that one of the kidnappers helped hand out fliers of one of the missing girls he kidnapped. My already negative opinion of the guys just got astronomically worse.
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It's not unusual for kidnappers to do this. It's any easy way for a civilian to keep track of the investigation from the inside.
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That's a whole new level of sick.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Where are folks getting the info that is not being reported thru most major news outlets? I haven't heard much details and some of you are saying a lot of stuff. Has there been any indication of possible bodies in the back yard?
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Early on there was a reference to disturbed dirt in the backyard and that sounds like the first place to look.

top dog said:
Initial search found no human remains on the property..

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/safety-director-no-human-remains-found-at-home-of-ariel-castro-on-seymour-avenue-in-cleveland
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Can't tell from this if they looked outside or not. Yet.

 
Are We Laughing With Charles Ramsey?by Gene DembyMay 07, 2013 4:58 PMScott Shaw/The Plain Dealer/LandovIt's hard out here for a black man the Internet accidentally thrusts into the limelight. Those 15 minutes ain't no joke.Charles Ramsey, the Cleveland man who helped Amanda Berry escape from her captor and free her fellow captives, , primarily owing to a live local television news interview. During that interview, Ramsey proved himself a fantastic storyteller, and he kept it extra-extra-real.What made Ramsey really blow up on the Internet was his observation at the end of the interview."Bro, I knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms," Ramsey told a local TV reporter. The local reporter quickly pivoted away.(He's not lying: , according to a study from two researchers.)Like Ted Williams, the homeless "," Antoine Dodson of "Hide Your Kids, Hide Your Wife!" fame, and Sweet Brown of "" — three other poor black folks who became unlikely Internet celebrities in recent years — Ramsey seemed at ease in front of the camera. And of course, .Very quickly, they went from individuals who lived on America's margins to embodying a weird, new kind of fame. Williams ended up being offered work doing voiceovers for radio. Dodson leveraged his newfound notoriety to get his family out of the projects. (Our colleagues at Tell Me More to talk about blowing up and moving out of the 'hood.)This new notoriety mimics the old, familiar trajectory of celebrity. We start to learn all sorts of things about these regular people that "complicates" them. Their foibles become part of the story. Williams' history of drug abuse and petty crime quickly came to the fore; he would go on to appear on Dr. Phil to talk about his estrangement from his family. Dodson would later land in the news for run-ins with the law for drug possession. (Just this week, Dodson that he was joining a nationalist religious order called the Black Hebrew Israelites and renouncing his homosexuality.)But race and class seemed to be central to the celebrity of all these people. They were poor. They were black. Their hair was kind of a mess. And they were unashamed. That's still weird and chuckle-worthy.On the face of it, the memes, the Auto-Tune remixes and the laughing seem purely celebratory. But what feels like celebration can also carry with it the undertone of condescension. Amid the hood backdrop — the gnarled teeth, the dirty white tee, the slang, the shout-out to McDonald's — we miss the fact that Charles Ramsey is perfectly lucid and intelligent."I have a feeling half the ppl who say 'Oooh I love watching him on the internet!' would turn away if they saw him on the street," .Dodson and Brown and Ramsey are all up in our GIFs and all over the blogosphere because they're not the type of people we're used to seeing or hearing on our TVs. They're actually not the type of people we're used to seeing or hearing at all, which might explain why we get so silly when they make one of their infrequent forays into our national consciousness.
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Rayderr said:
Are We Laughing With Charles Ramsey?by Gene DembyMay 07, 2013 4:58 PMScott Shaw/The Plain Dealer/LandovIt's hard out here for a black man the Internet accidentally thrusts into the limelight. Those 15 minutes ain't no joke.Charles Ramsey, the Cleveland man who helped Amanda Berry escape from her captor and free her fellow captives, , primarily owing to a live local television news interview. During that interview, Ramsey proved himself a fantastic storyteller, and he kept it extra-extra-real.What made Ramsey really blow up on the Internet was his observation at the end of the interview."Bro, I knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms," Ramsey told a local TV reporter. The local reporter quickly pivoted away.(He's not lying: , according to a study from two researchers.)Like Ted Williams, the homeless "," Antoine Dodson of "Hide Your Kids, Hide Your Wife!" fame, and Sweet Brown of "" — three other poor black folks who became unlikely Internet celebrities in recent years — Ramsey seemed at ease in front of the camera. And of course, .Very quickly, they went from individuals who lived on America's margins to embodying a weird, new kind of fame. Williams ended up being offered work doing voiceovers for radio. Dodson leveraged his newfound notoriety to get his family out of the projects. (Our colleagues at Tell Me More to talk about blowing up and moving out of the 'hood.)This new notoriety mimics the old, familiar trajectory of celebrity. We start to learn all sorts of things about these regular people that "complicates" them. Their foibles become part of the story. Williams' history of drug abuse and petty crime quickly came to the fore; he would go on to appear on Dr. Phil to talk about his estrangement from his family. Dodson would later land in the news for run-ins with the law for drug possession. (Just this week, Dodson that he was joining a nationalist religious order called the Black Hebrew Israelites and renouncing his homosexuality.)But race and class seemed to be central to the celebrity of all these people. They were poor. They were black. Their hair was kind of a mess. And they were unashamed. That's still weird and chuckle-worthy.On the face of it, the memes, the Auto-Tune remixes and the laughing seem purely celebratory. But what feels like celebration can also carry with it the undertone of condescension. Amid the hood backdrop — the gnarled teeth, the dirty white tee, the slang, the shout-out to McDonald's — we miss the fact that Charles Ramsey is perfectly lucid and intelligent."I have a feeling half the ppl who say 'Oooh I love watching him on the internet!' would turn away if they saw him on the street," .Dodson and Brown and Ramsey are all up in our GIFs and all over the blogosphere because they're not the type of people we're used to seeing or hearing on our TVs. They're actually not the type of people we're used to seeing or hearing at all, which might explain why we get so silly when they make one of their infrequent forays into our national consciousness.
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While this is a good read, I'm applauding the guy for doing the right thing. This is a case where "keeping it real" is ####### awesome. He is unfiltered and you can tell it's from the heart.

 
I'm not sure if Berry had a daughter here, but I wonder if her urgency to escape now would have been to save her kid in some way.

I can't imagine what that kind of freedom would feel like to be out of that house.

 
Rayderr said:
Are We Laughing With Charles Ramsey?by Gene DembyMay 07, 2013 4:58 PMScott Shaw/The Plain Dealer/LandovIt's hard out here for a black man the Internet accidentally thrusts into the limelight. Those 15 minutes ain't no joke.Charles Ramsey, the Cleveland man who helped Amanda Berry escape from her captor and free her fellow captives, , primarily owing to a live local television news interview. During that interview, Ramsey proved himself a fantastic storyteller, and he kept it extra-extra-real.What made Ramsey really blow up on the Internet was his observation at the end of the interview."Bro, I knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms," Ramsey told a local TV reporter. The local reporter quickly pivoted away.(He's not lying: , according to a study from two researchers.)Like Ted Williams, the homeless "," Antoine Dodson of "Hide Your Kids, Hide Your Wife!" fame, and Sweet Brown of "" — three other poor black folks who became unlikely Internet celebrities in recent years — Ramsey seemed at ease in front of the camera. And of course, .Very quickly, they went from individuals who lived on America's margins to embodying a weird, new kind of fame. Williams ended up being offered work doing voiceovers for radio. Dodson leveraged his newfound notoriety to get his family out of the projects. (Our colleagues at Tell Me More to talk about blowing up and moving out of the 'hood.)This new notoriety mimics the old, familiar trajectory of celebrity. We start to learn all sorts of things about these regular people that "complicates" them. Their foibles become part of the story. Williams' history of drug abuse and petty crime quickly came to the fore; he would go on to appear on Dr. Phil to talk about his estrangement from his family. Dodson would later land in the news for run-ins with the law for drug possession. (Just this week, Dodson that he was joining a nationalist religious order called the Black Hebrew Israelites and renouncing his homosexuality.)But race and class seemed to be central to the celebrity of all these people. They were poor. They were black. Their hair was kind of a mess. And they were unashamed. That's still weird and chuckle-worthy.On the face of it, the memes, the Auto-Tune remixes and the laughing seem purely celebratory. But what feels like celebration can also carry with it the undertone of condescension. Amid the hood backdrop — the gnarled teeth, the dirty white tee, the slang, the shout-out to McDonald's — we miss the fact that Charles Ramsey is perfectly lucid and intelligent."I have a feeling half the ppl who say 'Oooh I love watching him on the internet!' would turn away if they saw him on the street," .Dodson and Brown and Ramsey are all up in our GIFs and all over the blogosphere because they're not the type of people we're used to seeing or hearing on our TVs. They're actually not the type of people we're used to seeing or hearing at all, which might explain why we get so silly when they make one of their infrequent forays into our national consciousness.
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There is something to this but I really believe most people see him as a breath of fresh air on TV. No pretension nothing but the truth as he sees it. No pandering, no real agenda just a guy doing a good thing and being very real afterward.

I am definitely laughing with him and I do hope he gets something out of this.

 
Has Faux News looked into Charles Ramsey's past yet? I'm sure they'll find a way to ruin the only good part of this story.

 
It's probably been mentioned before, but Sylvia Browne is catching a lot of heat for saying that Berry was dead. Frankly, I'm more surprised that people actually still believe in these charlatans who call themselves "psychics."

 
comfortably numb said:
Sarnoff said:
B-Deep said:
this whole thing is crazy
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The more details I read, the more I feel we're lucky that three women came out of this OK.
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i'm wondering if there is a 4th or 5th or 10th that could have died/escaped/been sold to a cousin etc...
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There very well might be a 4th.

(CNN) -- The discovery of three young women missing for a decade in Cleveland immediately raised the hopes of the family of a fourth missing woman Tuesday.After all, Ashley Summers was just like two of the three discovered women: Cleveland teenagers who all disappeared within five blocks of each other over a four-year span.The anticipation for Summers' family was heightened momentarily when authorities said they had yet to identify one of the three discovered women.Was it Ashley? Could it be Ashley, who went missing almost six years ago at age 14?"At first, when they said the third girl wasn't identified, I was hoping one would be Ashley," said her aunt, Debra Summers.Ashley Summers' mother expressed similar emotions. "She said, 'Oh, my God' -- just hoping it was Ashley," Debra Summers, 30, said of her sister Jennifer Summers, 33, who wasn't immediately available for interviews Tuesday.But the third woman held in captivity for a decade was someone else, not Ashley, authorities announced."I was upset, but I was happy at the same time that they found the third girl," Debra Summers said.Now the Summers family is hoping that the investigation into the three women's decade-long captivity -- allegedly by three brothers -- will yield information about Ashley, who disappeared on July 6, 2007."We're hoping that it's connected, and they knew where she was," Summers said of the investigation. "We're hoping for a miracle."Investigators will speak to the three discovered women to see if they know anything about Summers' disappearance, said Special Agent Vicki Anderson, of the FBI Cleveland Division.The discovery of the three women might prompt someone who has information -- but never said anything -- to call authorities, she said."We're really very dependent on the public's assistance on things such as this, for them to be aware of people around them, to report things that are suspicious, to take a look at the pictures of these individuals who are missing and see if they recognize them," Anderson said.Since Ashley Summers disappeared, "there's been no legitimate sightings, no accessing social media, anything," Anderson said.Former FBI agent Jennifer Eakin said authorities have long believed in a link in the disappearances of Summers and two of the women discovered this week -- Amanda Berry and Georgina "Gina" DeJesus. Eakin is now a case manager at the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, which in 2008 held a comprehensive review of the cases with the FBI and Cleveland police."We did in fact believe there was an association between the Berry case and the DeJjesus case as well as the Summers case," Eakin said.In 2009, CNN reported how the FBI was investigating connections between the three missing Cleveland teens. "We kind of put all three of these cases together to work them to see if there's any connection," FBI Special Agent Scott Wilson, in the agency's Cleveland Division, said then.At the time, authorities said Ashley Summers was initially reported as a runaway after a family argument. Problem was, she never contacted her family again, authorities said."She's considered an endangered juvenile who may have been a runaway and possibly abducted," Anderson said.The Summers family is also renewing their efforts to publicize Ashley's disappearance. The FBI's missing person website says Ashley Summers has a tattoo of "Gene" enclosed in a heart on her upper arm, and her birthday is June 16, 1993, making her 19 years old.Jennifer Summers, a restaurant cook, has seven other children, whose ages range from 2 to 16, and Ashley is her oldest, said Debra Summers, a shipping clerk who lives in Parma, Ohio.Debra Summers last saw her niece two weeks before she disappeared."She just hanged around the house and talked about her boyfriend and the usual stuff," Debra Summers said. "She actually wanted to move in with me, and I said yeah, but she never came."Ashley Summers left her mother's home, where four younger siblings were then also living, and instead moved to her great-uncle's residence, so she could be closer to friends, Debra Summers said.Then she vanished.
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Tony Jabroni said:
Rayderr said:
Are We Laughing With Charles Ramsey?by Gene DembyMay 07, 2013 4:58 PMScott Shaw/The Plain Dealer/LandovIt's hard out here for a black man the Internet accidentally thrusts into the limelight. Those 15 minutes ain't no joke.Charles Ramsey, the Cleveland man who helped Amanda Berry escape from her captor and free her fellow captives, , primarily owing to a live local television news interview. During that interview, Ramsey proved himself a fantastic storyteller, and he kept it extra-extra-real.What made Ramsey really blow up on the Internet was his observation at the end of the interview."Bro, I knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms," Ramsey told a local TV reporter. The local reporter quickly pivoted away.(He's not lying: , according to a study from two researchers.)Like Ted Williams, the homeless "," Antoine Dodson of "Hide Your Kids, Hide Your Wife!" fame, and Sweet Brown of "" — three other poor black folks who became unlikely Internet celebrities in recent years — Ramsey seemed at ease in front of the camera. And of course, .Very quickly, they went from individuals who lived on America's margins to embodying a weird, new kind of fame. Williams ended up being offered work doing voiceovers for radio. Dodson leveraged his newfound notoriety to get his family out of the projects. (Our colleagues at Tell Me More to talk about blowing up and moving out of the 'hood.)This new notoriety mimics the old, familiar trajectory of celebrity. We start to learn all sorts of things about these regular people that "complicates" them. Their foibles become part of the story. Williams' history of drug abuse and petty crime quickly came to the fore; he would go on to appear on Dr. Phil to talk about his estrangement from his family. Dodson would later land in the news for run-ins with the law for drug possession. (Just this week, Dodson that he was joining a nationalist religious order called the Black Hebrew Israelites and renouncing his homosexuality.)But race and class seemed to be central to the celebrity of all these people. They were poor. They were black. Their hair was kind of a mess. And they were unashamed. That's still weird and chuckle-worthy.On the face of it, the memes, the Auto-Tune remixes and the laughing seem purely celebratory. But what feels like celebration can also carry with it the undertone of condescension. Amid the hood backdrop — the gnarled teeth, the dirty white tee, the slang, the shout-out to McDonald's — we miss the fact that Charles Ramsey is perfectly lucid and intelligent."I have a feeling half the ppl who say 'Oooh I love watching him on the internet!' would turn away if they saw him on the street," .Dodson and Brown and Ramsey are all up in our GIFs and all over the blogosphere because they're not the type of people we're used to seeing or hearing on our TVs. They're actually not the type of people we're used to seeing or hearing at all, which might explain why we get so silly when they make one of their infrequent forays into our national consciousness.
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While this is a good read, I'm applauding the guy for doing the right thing. This is a case where "keeping it real" is ####### awesome. He is unfiltered and you can tell it's from the heart.
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:goodposting:

First thing I said when I saw his first interview was "I'd love to have a beer with this guy".

 
comfortably numb said:
Sarnoff said:
B-Deep said:
this whole thing is crazy
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The more details I read, the more I feel we're lucky that three women came out of this OK.
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i'm wondering if there is a 4th or 5th or 10th that could have died/escaped/been sold to a cousin etc...
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There apparently is a female name written on the basement wall with RIP written underneath it. Could be one of the babies, an adult woman... or nothing at all. But I doubt these are the only victims with these scum bags.

 
We all know how much $ big corporations spend on marketing execs, commercials, branding, consultants etc.

If Ramsey got 1/10,000 of that he would be happy for life. And the ROI would be through the roof.

 
Keerock said:
So there were multiple kids born IN THE HOUSE? How does this happen? Not sure I'd be able to handle a birth without a hospital or doctor of some sort present :o
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Looks like all but one pregnancy ended in a miscarriage.

Assuming good health of the mother and fetus, a full-term baby will be born whether or not there are doctors or health professionals present. Birth is normally a fully-automated natural process, and obviously took place for untold millenia before modern medicine (not without risk to both mother and baby). Modern medical practices make childbirth much safer and more routine, but they are not necessary for birth to actually take place.

For those guys wondering what happened to the miscarriages: a miscarriage is typically not a close-to-full-term fetus that ends up getting delivered (AKA a stillborn birth). A typical early- or mid-term miscarriage is bloody, but will not leave a "body" that would be difficult to dipose of.

 
Rayderr said:
comfortably numb said:
Sarnoff said:
B-Deep said:
this whole thing is crazy
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The more details I read, the more I feel we're lucky that three women came out of this OK.
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i'm wondering if there is a 4th or 5th or 10th that could have died/escaped/been sold to a cousin etc...
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There very well might be a 4th.
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Saw this yesterday and was telling folks here at work. Somehow didn't feel like a fit though, can't really explain it. Maybe it's because she was just the closest to that neighborhood of several others that they were looking at--anyone in the Cleveland area it seemed. Kind of a 'what if' scenario to explain more of the disappearances. It could be really incredible in scope over a 10+ year period for sure.

 
Billy Bats said:
comfortably numb said:
Sarnoff said:
B-Deep said:
this whole thing is crazy
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The more details I read, the more I feel we're lucky that three women came out of this OK.
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i'm wondering if there is a 4th or 5th or 10th that could have died/escaped/been sold to a cousin etc...
Click to expand...
There apparently is a female name written on the basement wall with RIP written underneath it. Could be one of the babies, an adult woman... or nothing at all. But I doubt these are the only victims with these scum bags.
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link?

 
-jb- said:
Billy Bats said:
comfortably numb said:
Sarnoff said:
B-Deep said:
this whole thing is crazy
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The more details I read, the more I feel we're lucky that three women came out of this OK.
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i'm wondering if there is a 4th or 5th or 10th that could have died/escaped/been sold to a cousin etc...
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There apparently is a female name written on the basement wall with RIP written underneath it. Could be one of the babies, an adult woman... or nothing at all. But I doubt these are the only victims with these scum bags.
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link?
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http://gawker.com/the-latest-details-in-the-sickening-cleveland-kidnappin-495873784

 
But race and class seemed to be central to the celebrity of all these people. They were poor. They were black. Their hair was kind of a mess. And they were unashamed. That's still weird and chuckle worthy.
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Epic Beard Man, Reality Hits You Hard Bro, and Ax Wielding Hitchhiker say :hey:
 
Sarnoff said:
-jb- said:
Billy Bats said:
comfortably numb said:
Sarnoff said:
B-Deep said:
this whole thing is crazy
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The more details I read, the more I feel we're lucky that three women came out of this OK.
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i'm wondering if there is a 4th or 5th or 10th that could have died/escaped/been sold to a cousin etc...
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There apparently is a female name written on the basement wall with RIP written underneath it. Could be one of the babies, an adult woman... or nothing at all. But I doubt these are the only victims with these scum bags.
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link?
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http://gawker.com/the-latest-details-in-the-sickening-cleveland-kidnappin-495873784
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These three guys are pieces of work. I still say they should get the death penalty, but now I think it should be slowly, like burying them up to their necks near a fire ant mound.

 
Kal El said:
Charles Ramsey is one of the funniest people on TV, but I saw a story on Yahoo that one of the kidnappers helped hand out fliers of one of the missing girls he kidnapped. My already negative opinion of the guys just got astronomically worse.
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I'm having a hard time understanding why some think that handing out flyers regarding the disappearance of Berry makes the actions of the accused a magnitude worse.

 
Ned said:
Jaysus said:
Jaysus said:
Robin Meade aired a clip of Anderson Cooper interviewing Ramsey (Ramsey whipped his paycheck out of his back pocket during the interview). Does anyone have a link to it?

ETA: have not watched it yet, but: http://youtu.be/e5elloa4kOc
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HOLY #### THAT WINK @ 7:24 is $TED.DANSON!
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That killed me. :lmao:
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3:55.

CR:"So now she on the phone with em, and I'm on the phone with em. She dealin with a moron, and me too!"

AC: "What do you mean moron? I ilstened to the 911..

CR: Idiot. Imbecile. Why do they have they damn job.

:lmao:

 
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