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Missing Element-Brett Favre & The Packers (1 Viewer)

WHo said they do not know anything about leadership.

But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

Thanks, Ill hang up and listen.
and I quote sho nuff....."I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
And again...I don't diminish what he "has actually done".I diminish the thoughts and opinions of others who are overestimating his effect.

So again...can anyone point to a single player that played better simply because of Brett Favre and is now playing worse because its Rodgers at QB?

Anyone?
:lmao: There have bee quotes in here by Jets players acknowledging what Favre has done to elevate their play(and you dismiss them). It was discussed this morning on ESPN. Wayne Larrivee, the voice of the Packers has stated publicly the Packers are missing Favre's leadership and you try to fall back on some lame attempt like this. The team is missing leadership and EVERYONE knows it. Stop trying this silly attempt to point out single players because all you will do is spin and spin again in your attempts to diminish what Favre meant to the Packers. You also should know that leadership is an intangible and difficult to measure but this is where you want to try and spin too.
Im not claiming they are not missing his freakin leadership...can you please stop stating that complete and total lie? I doubt it.Favre not being there has not made a Packers player play worse. You have absolutely nothing to support this.

This is my point.

Its not spin...spin is your continued attempts at painting my words to mean something completely different than what I said.

You are completely full of it.

Exactly, its completely intangible and you have no idea how much of a difference it made.

I have not attempted to diminish what Favre actually meant (that is your spin).

I have stated I believe you all are overestimating the effect it had on the team.

But you will never understand that...it does not fit with your opinion of me...so instead you spin and lie.
"He was a leader to us also,He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense.

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke,He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."

Receiver Donald Driver
"I don't know if there is a void now."And nothing in that quote saying they are not trying hard or are trying any less with Rodgers.

same with Driver.

So I will count that 0 for 2 in showing that players are not playing hard for Rodgers and they just did it for Favre.
If you think this proves anything it clearly shows you have no concept of the big picture, sho. Once again with your lame spin attempts you pull some lame stat that you think makes your case.In this situation it doesn't and it's not even close. Do you think there will be a quote from a player that says...."I am not playing as hard for Rodgers as I did for Favre"? Wake up, fool!!

You are really need to accept that Favre did provide leadership to the Packers AND THE JETS and the Packers are missing his leadership.

Sho...what about these...........

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz

Now back to your quote....

"I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."

 
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WHo said they do not know anything about leadership.

But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

Thanks, Ill hang up and listen.
and I quote sho nuff....."I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
And again...I don't diminish what he "has actually done".I diminish the thoughts and opinions of others who are overestimating his effect.

So again...can anyone point to a single player that played better simply because of Brett Favre and is now playing worse because its Rodgers at QB?

Anyone?
:shrug: There have bee quotes in here by Jets players acknowledging what Favre has done to elevate their play(and you dismiss them). It was discussed this morning on ESPN. Wayne Larrivee, the voice of the Packers has stated publicly the Packers are missing Favre's leadership and you try to fall back on some lame attempt like this. The team is missing leadership and EVERYONE knows it. Stop trying this silly attempt to point out single players because all you will do is spin and spin again in your attempts to diminish what Favre meant to the Packers. You also should know that leadership is an intangible and difficult to measure but this is where you want to try and spin too.
Im not claiming they are not missing his freakin leadership...can you please stop stating that complete and total lie? I doubt it.Favre not being there has not made a Packers player play worse. You have absolutely nothing to support this.

This is my point.

Its not spin...spin is your continued attempts at painting my words to mean something completely different than what I said.

You are completely full of it.

Exactly, its completely intangible and you have no idea how much of a difference it made.

I have not attempted to diminish what Favre actually meant (that is your spin).

I have stated I believe you all are overestimating the effect it had on the team.

But you will never understand that...it does not fit with your opinion of me...so instead you spin and lie.
"He was a leader to us also,He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense.

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke,He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."

Receiver Donald Driver
"I don't know if there is a void now."And nothing in that quote saying they are not trying hard or are trying any less with Rodgers.

same with Driver.

So I will count that 0 for 2 in showing that players are not playing hard for Rodgers and they just did it for Favre.
If you think this proves anything it clearly shows you have no concept of the big picture, sho. Once again with your lame spin attempts you pull some lame stat that you think makes your case.In this situation it doesn't and it's not even close. Do you think there will be a quote from a player that says...."I am not playing as hard for Rodgers as I did for Favre"? Wake up, fool!!

You are really need to accept that Favre did provide leadership to the Packers AND THE JETS and the Packers are missing his leadership. Now back to your quote....

"I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
It makes my case that none of you have anything to prove guys were playing harder last year than this year simply because of Brett Favre.That is my argument...its an argument all of you are spinning into completely different things because you cannot disprove what I am saying.

I do accept that Favre did provide leadership...I have said that over and over and over again...so why do you insinuate that I don't accept that.

I have also admitted he is bringing that to the Jets. Never have I denied this.

And again, never have I stated the Packers are not lacking this.

Again, you threw out 3 things I have not only never said or insinuated...but 3 things I have said over and over that are true.

But the point and what it all boils down to...is would it be enough for this current team? I don't think it is.

And you can post that quote all you want.

What he has done vs. what you all give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept the usual suspects cannot seem to grasp.

So instead, you lie, spin, and twist what I say to keep arguing...then whine about how much I post.

 
WHo said they do not know anything about leadership.

But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

Thanks, Ill hang up and listen.
and I quote sho nuff....."I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
And again...I don't diminish what he "has actually done".I diminish the thoughts and opinions of others who are overestimating his effect.

So again...can anyone point to a single player that played better simply because of Brett Favre and is now playing worse because its Rodgers at QB?

Anyone?
:bag: There have bee quotes in here by Jets players acknowledging what Favre has done to elevate their play(and you dismiss them). It was discussed this morning on ESPN. Wayne Larrivee, the voice of the Packers has stated publicly the Packers are missing Favre's leadership and you try to fall back on some lame attempt like this. The team is missing leadership and EVERYONE knows it. Stop trying this silly attempt to point out single players because all you will do is spin and spin again in your attempts to diminish what Favre meant to the Packers. You also should know that leadership is an intangible and difficult to measure but this is where you want to try and spin too.
Im not claiming they are not missing his freakin leadership...can you please stop stating that complete and total lie? I doubt it.Favre not being there has not made a Packers player play worse. You have absolutely nothing to support this.

This is my point.

Its not spin...spin is your continued attempts at painting my words to mean something completely different than what I said.

You are completely full of it.

Exactly, its completely intangible and you have no idea how much of a difference it made.

I have not attempted to diminish what Favre actually meant (that is your spin).

I have stated I believe you all are overestimating the effect it had on the team.

But you will never understand that...it does not fit with your opinion of me...so instead you spin and lie.
"He was a leader to us also,He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense.

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke,He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."

Receiver Donald Driver
"I don't know if there is a void now."And nothing in that quote saying they are not trying hard or are trying any less with Rodgers.

same with Driver.

So I will count that 0 for 2 in showing that players are not playing hard for Rodgers and they just did it for Favre.
It's obvious to anyone that is unbiased that they are saying he brought them to another level. This included the defense also. If you don't understand that the simple fact they are making the comments shows it's missing this year.Then again you are biased and your comments are exactly what I expected. I mainly posted this for the people with open minds.

Thanks for playing though.

 
WHo said they do not know anything about leadership.

But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

Thanks, Ill hang up and listen.
and I quote sho nuff....."I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
And again...I don't diminish what he "has actually done".I diminish the thoughts and opinions of others who are overestimating his effect.

So again...can anyone point to a single player that played better simply because of Brett Favre and is now playing worse because its Rodgers at QB?

Anyone?
:lmao: There have bee quotes in here by Jets players acknowledging what Favre has done to elevate their play(and you dismiss them). It was discussed this morning on ESPN. Wayne Larrivee, the voice of the Packers has stated publicly the Packers are missing Favre's leadership and you try to fall back on some lame attempt like this. The team is missing leadership and EVERYONE knows it. Stop trying this silly attempt to point out single players because all you will do is spin and spin again in your attempts to diminish what Favre meant to the Packers. You also should know that leadership is an intangible and difficult to measure but this is where you want to try and spin too.
Im not claiming they are not missing his freakin leadership...can you please stop stating that complete and total lie? I doubt it.Favre not being there has not made a Packers player play worse. You have absolutely nothing to support this.

This is my point.

Its not spin...spin is your continued attempts at painting my words to mean something completely different than what I said.

You are completely full of it.

Exactly, its completely intangible and you have no idea how much of a difference it made.

I have not attempted to diminish what Favre actually meant (that is your spin).

I have stated I believe you all are overestimating the effect it had on the team.

But you will never understand that...it does not fit with your opinion of me...so instead you spin and lie.
"He was a leader to us also,He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense.

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke,He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."

Receiver Donald Driver
"I don't know if there is a void now."And nothing in that quote saying they are not trying hard or are trying any less with Rodgers.

same with Driver.

So I will count that 0 for 2 in showing that players are not playing hard for Rodgers and they just did it for Favre.
If you think this proves anything it clearly shows you have no concept of the big picture, sho. Once again with your lame spin attempts you pull some lame stat that you think makes your case.In this situation it doesn't and it's not even close. Do you think there will be a quote from a player that says...."I am not playing as hard for Rodgers as I did for Favre"? Wake up, fool!!

You are really need to accept that Favre did provide leadership to the Packers AND THE JETS and the Packers are missing his leadership. Now back to your quote....

"I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
It makes my case that none of you have anything to prove guys were playing harder last year than this year simply because of Brett Favre.That is my argument...its an argument all of you are spinning into completely different things because you cannot disprove what I am saying.

I do accept that Favre did provide leadership...I have said that over and over and over again...so why do you insinuate that I don't accept that.

I have also admitted he is bringing that to the Jets. Never have I denied this.

And again, never have I stated the Packers are not lacking this.

Again, you threw out 3 things I have not only never said or insinuated...but 3 things I have said over and over that are true.

But the point and what it all boils down to...is would it be enough for this current team? I don't think it is.

And you can post that quote all you want.

What he has done vs. what you all give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept the usual suspects cannot seem to grasp.

So instead, you lie, spin, and twist what I say to keep arguing...then whine about how much I post.
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
My argument does not ignore the rest of leadership...its just that its the part of the article I disagreed with completely...I have stated that many times...what about that is so hard for you to figure out?Lie? Nope...have not lied about anything...care to post a single lie I have stated? (cue you posting that foolish quote about me diminishing what Favre has done and you calling that a lie).

Spin and twist...funny, you think by copying and pasting my words and again twisting them you did something other than look foolish?

I don't whine about you all posting about how much I post...I wonder why you all care and what it matters.

Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.

 
WHo said they do not know anything about leadership.

But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

Thanks, Ill hang up and listen.
and I quote sho nuff....."I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
And again...I don't diminish what he "has actually done".I diminish the thoughts and opinions of others who are overestimating his effect.

So again...can anyone point to a single player that played better simply because of Brett Favre and is now playing worse because its Rodgers at QB?

Anyone?
:lmao: There have bee quotes in here by Jets players acknowledging what Favre has done to elevate their play(and you dismiss them). It was discussed this morning on ESPN. Wayne Larrivee, the voice of the Packers has stated publicly the Packers are missing Favre's leadership and you try to fall back on some lame attempt like this. The team is missing leadership and EVERYONE knows it. Stop trying this silly attempt to point out single players because all you will do is spin and spin again in your attempts to diminish what Favre meant to the Packers. You also should know that leadership is an intangible and difficult to measure but this is where you want to try and spin too.
Im not claiming they are not missing his freakin leadership...can you please stop stating that complete and total lie? I doubt it.Favre not being there has not made a Packers player play worse. You have absolutely nothing to support this.

This is my point.

Its not spin...spin is your continued attempts at painting my words to mean something completely different than what I said.

You are completely full of it.

Exactly, its completely intangible and you have no idea how much of a difference it made.

I have not attempted to diminish what Favre actually meant (that is your spin).

I have stated I believe you all are overestimating the effect it had on the team.

But you will never understand that...it does not fit with your opinion of me...so instead you spin and lie.
"He was a leader to us also,He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense.

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke,He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."

Receiver Donald Driver
"I don't know if there is a void now."And nothing in that quote saying they are not trying hard or are trying any less with Rodgers.

same with Driver.

So I will count that 0 for 2 in showing that players are not playing hard for Rodgers and they just did it for Favre.
If you think this proves anything it clearly shows you have no concept of the big picture, sho. Once again with your lame spin attempts you pull some lame stat that you think makes your case.In this situation it doesn't and it's not even close. Do you think there will be a quote from a player that says...."I am not playing as hard for Rodgers as I did for Favre"? Wake up, fool!!

You are really need to accept that Favre did provide leadership to the Packers AND THE JETS and the Packers are missing his leadership. Now back to your quote....

"I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
It makes my case that none of you have anything to prove guys were playing harder last year than this year simply because of Brett Favre.That is my argument...its an argument all of you are spinning into completely different things because you cannot disprove what I am saying.

I do accept that Favre did provide leadership...I have said that over and over and over again...so why do you insinuate that I don't accept that.

I have also admitted he is bringing that to the Jets. Never have I denied this.

And again, never have I stated the Packers are not lacking this.

Again, you threw out 3 things I have not only never said or insinuated...but 3 things I have said over and over that are true.

But the point and what it all boils down to...is would it be enough for this current team? I don't think it is.

And you can post that quote all you want.

What he has done vs. what you all give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept the usual suspects cannot seem to grasp.

So instead, you lie, spin, and twist what I say to keep arguing...then whine about how much I post.
Sho I know your fishing or just really have your eyes closed but how bout this from Rodgers.
A. Rodgers, QB, Packers

"Our good players need to have the confidence, and maybe it takes somebody saying something, maybe it takes a coach," Rodgers said later. "I'm not really sure what it is. It's a different dynamic than any other team I've been on. It's been interesting to watch and also be a part of it.

"But guys have to realize they have an opportunity to lead. I don't know what they want from me all the time. I'm trying to be the best leader I can. I'm trying to lead by example, which I think is the most important thing a leader can do. But other guys need to make the most of their leadership opportunities as well."
So you have Packers talking about how Favre inspired them and how there MAY (since you brought it up) be a void since Favre left.1. He played on the Packers with Favre and admits its a different team dynamic.

2. I think he's admitting he's not Favre and that others need to pick up the slack. Especially with the high-lighted "I don't know what they want from me all the time" comment.

3. he's trying so that's a good sign but again a nod to the leadership of Favre not being there any longer.

4. Again a nod to other guys needing to step up and fill the void the CB talked about in my previous post.

 
WHo said they do not know anything about leadership.

But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

Thanks, Ill hang up and listen.
and I quote sho nuff....."I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
And again...I don't diminish what he "has actually done".I diminish the thoughts and opinions of others who are overestimating his effect.

So again...can anyone point to a single player that played better simply because of Brett Favre and is now playing worse because its Rodgers at QB?

Anyone?
:wall: There have bee quotes in here by Jets players acknowledging what Favre has done to elevate their play(and you dismiss them). It was discussed this morning on ESPN. Wayne Larrivee, the voice of the Packers has stated publicly the Packers are missing Favre's leadership and you try to fall back on some lame attempt like this. The team is missing leadership and EVERYONE knows it. Stop trying this silly attempt to point out single players because all you will do is spin and spin again in your attempts to diminish what Favre meant to the Packers. You also should know that leadership is an intangible and difficult to measure but this is where you want to try and spin too.
Im not claiming they are not missing his freakin leadership...can you please stop stating that complete and total lie? I doubt it.Favre not being there has not made a Packers player play worse. You have absolutely nothing to support this.

This is my point.

Its not spin...spin is your continued attempts at painting my words to mean something completely different than what I said.

You are completely full of it.

Exactly, its completely intangible and you have no idea how much of a difference it made.

I have not attempted to diminish what Favre actually meant (that is your spin).

I have stated I believe you all are overestimating the effect it had on the team.

But you will never understand that...it does not fit with your opinion of me...so instead you spin and lie.
"He was a leader to us also,He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense.

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke,He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."

Receiver Donald Driver
"I don't know if there is a void now."And nothing in that quote saying they are not trying hard or are trying any less with Rodgers.

same with Driver.

So I will count that 0 for 2 in showing that players are not playing hard for Rodgers and they just did it for Favre.
If you think this proves anything it clearly shows you have no concept of the big picture, sho. Once again with your lame spin attempts you pull some lame stat that you think makes your case.In this situation it doesn't and it's not even close. Do you think there will be a quote from a player that says...."I am not playing as hard for Rodgers as I did for Favre"? Wake up, fool!!

You are really need to accept that Favre did provide leadership to the Packers AND THE JETS and the Packers are missing his leadership. Now back to your quote....

"I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
It makes my case that none of you have anything to prove guys were playing harder last year than this year simply because of Brett Favre.That is my argument...its an argument all of you are spinning into completely different things because you cannot disprove what I am saying.

I do accept that Favre did provide leadership...I have said that over and over and over again...so why do you insinuate that I don't accept that.

I have also admitted he is bringing that to the Jets. Never have I denied this.

And again, never have I stated the Packers are not lacking this.

Again, you threw out 3 things I have not only never said or insinuated...but 3 things I have said over and over that are true.

But the point and what it all boils down to...is would it be enough for this current team? I don't think it is.

And you can post that quote all you want.

What he has done vs. what you all give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept the usual suspects cannot seem to grasp.

So instead, you lie, spin, and twist what I say to keep arguing...then whine about how much I post.
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
:lmao:
 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."

 
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Sho I know your fishing or just really have your eyes closed but how bout this from Rodgers.

A. Rodgers, QB, Packers

"Our good players need to have the confidence, and maybe it takes somebody saying something, maybe it takes a coach," Rodgers said later. "I'm not really sure what it is. It's a different dynamic than any other team I've been on. It's been interesting to watch and also be a part of it.

"But guys have to realize they have an opportunity to lead. I don't know what they want from me all the time. I'm trying to be the best leader I can. I'm trying to lead by example, which I think is the most important thing a leader can do. But other guys need to make the most of their leadership opportunities as well."
So you have Packers talking about how Favre inspired them and how there MAY (since you brought it up) be a void since Favre left.1. He played on the Packers with Favre and admits its a different team dynamic.

2. I think he's admitting he's not Favre and that others need to pick up the slack. Especially with the high-lighted "I don't know what they want from me all the time" comment.

3. he's trying so that's a good sign but again a nod to the leadership of Favre not being there any longer.

4. Again a nod to other guys needing to step up and fill the void the CB talked about in my previous post.
Fishing? No, I keep wondering that about most of you. I can't think of another excuse for the way some of you all post and continue to twist what I have said.What about that states that guys are not playing or trying as hard because of him.

I have agreed over and over again that there is a different dynamic or that Favre was a great leader and they are missing something.

1. When did I ever deny this?

2. Yes, they do...what about that shows that people are not trying hard?

3. Ok.

4. Yes, they do need to step up and help out more. Again, this is not the same as saying guys are not trying as hard for him as they did for Brett.

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Umm...but the problem is you don't deny he's a great leader yet we get this nonsense from you..."But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

:confused: :lmao: :lmao:

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Umm...but the problem is you don't deny he's a great leader yet we get this nonsense from you..."But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
:confused:
 
Sho I know your fishing or just really have your eyes closed but how bout this from Rodgers.

A. Rodgers, QB, Packers

"Our good players need to have the confidence, and maybe it takes somebody saying something, maybe it takes a coach," Rodgers said later. "I'm not really sure what it is. It's a different dynamic than any other team I've been on. It's been interesting to watch and also be a part of it.

"But guys have to realize they have an opportunity to lead. I don't know what they want from me all the time. I'm trying to be the best leader I can. I'm trying to lead by example, which I think is the most important thing a leader can do. But other guys need to make the most of their leadership opportunities as well."
So you have Packers talking about how Favre inspired them and how there MAY (since you brought it up) be a void since Favre left.1. He played on the Packers with Favre and admits its a different team dynamic.

2. I think he's admitting he's not Favre and that others need to pick up the slack. Especially with the high-lighted "I don't know what they want from me all the time" comment.

3. he's trying so that's a good sign but again a nod to the leadership of Favre not being there any longer.

4. Again a nod to other guys needing to step up and fill the void the CB talked about in my previous post.
Fishing? No, I keep wondering that about most of you. I can't think of another excuse for the way some of you all post and continue to twist what I have said.What about that states that guys are not playing or trying as hard because of him.

I have agreed over and over again that there is a different dynamic or that Favre was a great leader and they are missing something.

1. When did I ever deny this?

2. Yes, they do...what about that shows that people are not trying hard?

3. Ok.

4. Yes, they do need to step up and help out more. Again, this is not the same as saying guys are not trying as hard for him as they did for Brett.
Hey i've posted facts all over the place in these threads. I'm an unbiased outsider.I can't believe you don't see how these quotes tie together to point out the lack of Favres leadership not being there.

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Umm...but the problem is you don't deny he's a great leader yet we get this nonsense from you..."But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

:confused: :lmao: :lmao:
Holy spin batman.Seriously...how can any of you whine about me spinning things yet you all keep coming up with these gems.

What in that quote of me denies he is a great leader?

Is the only sign of a leader a guy who can get others to play hard?

Or maybe, the guys are still playing just as hard for Rodgers this year but they are missing other aspects of Favre's leadership? Did that ever cross your mind before you tried that spin?

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Umm...but the problem is you don't deny he's a great leader yet we get this nonsense from you..."But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
:goodposting:
Owned? Are you kidding...he just provided a textbook example of the spin you all have posted.If anything he :own3d: himself.

 
I can't believe you don't see how these quotes tie together to point out the lack of Favres leadership not being there.
Umm...again...where in this thread or any other thread have I denied they are lacking Favre's leadership?By posting facts...do you mean lying like this?Because I have stated over and over again they are lacking it.The point remains...would it be enough for this team.IMO, its not enough for this team, and some of you are overestimating his effect on the team.
 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Here's another one for you to spin.
A. Rodgers

1. "I think there is a transition period," Rodgers said of the Favre era . "I think guys need to give more of themselves. They need to realize there's an opportunity to be a leader. 2. Before, there might not have been that opportunity (because of Favre). It's not about one person; 3. it's about everybody in here picking up the slack."
1. Rodgers admits there is a differnce with out favre2. Not a big oppurtunity to step into a leadership role with Favre there. Other quotes have backed this up.

3. Everybody needs to pick up the slack. what slack if it's not missing?

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Umm...but the problem is you don't deny he's a great leader yet we get this nonsense from you..."But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

:goodposting: :own3d: :lmao:
Holy spin batman.Seriously...how can any of you whine about me spinning things yet you all keep coming up with these gems.

What in that quote of me denies he is a great leader?

Is the only sign of a leader a guy who can get others to play hard?

Or maybe, the guys are still playing just as hard for Rodgers this year but they are missing other aspects of Favre's leadership? Did that ever cross your mind before you tried that spin?
Why dont you give a straight answer of what your opinion is then instead of what it isnt or posing a hypothetical about what it could be?
 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Here's another one for you to spin.
A. Rodgers

1. "I think there is a transition period," Rodgers said of the Favre era . "I think guys need to give more of themselves. They need to realize there's an opportunity to be a leader. 2. Before, there might not have been that opportunity (because of Favre). It's not about one person; 3. it's about everybody in here picking up the slack."
1. Rodgers admits there is a differnce with out favre2. Not a big oppurtunity to step into a leadership role with Favre there. Other quotes have backed this up.

3. Everybody needs to pick up the slack. what slack if it's not missing?
:goodposting: again
 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Here's another one for you to spin.
A. Rodgers

1. "I think there is a transition period," Rodgers said of the Favre era . "I think guys need to give more of themselves. They need to realize there's an opportunity to be a leader. 2. Before, there might not have been that opportunity (because of Favre). It's not about one person; 3. it's about everybody in here picking up the slack."
1. Rodgers admits there is a differnce with out favre2. Not a big oppurtunity to step into a leadership role with Favre there. Other quotes have backed this up.

3. Everybody needs to pick up the slack. what slack if it's not missing?
No need to spin it.I have NEVER denied any of this.

You are continuing to argue against a concept I have never denied.

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Umm...but the problem is you don't deny he's a great leader yet we get this nonsense from you..."But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
:own3d:
Owned? Are you kidding...he just provided a textbook example of the spin you all have posted.If anything he :own3d: himself.
You'd be very, very wrong on that, slippy.
 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Umm...but the problem is you don't deny he's a great leader yet we get this nonsense from you..."But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

:own3d: :own3d: :lmao:
Holy spin batman.Seriously...how can any of you whine about me spinning things yet you all keep coming up with these gems.

What in that quote of me denies he is a great leader?

Is the only sign of a leader a guy who can get others to play hard?

Or maybe, the guys are still playing just as hard for Rodgers this year but they are missing other aspects of Favre's leadership? Did that ever cross your mind before you tried that spin?
Why dont you give a straight answer of what your opinion is then instead of what it isnt or posing a hypothetical about what it could be?
I have multiple times in this thread...only to have someone accuse me of backpedaling because I restated things I have been saying all along.But just for you.

Favre is a great leader.

He was a great leader for Green Bay.

He is a great leader for the Jets.

That has helped the Jets.

The Packers have missed that leadership.

But that leadership and what was missing without Favre now is not enough for this current Packer team to be a championship team.

THus, IMO, many here have overestimated what it all meant for the team and the effect it has had and they now spin me disagreeing with their opinion of its effect and saying I am diminishing what he actually meant (its just our opinions of how much it meant differ...but they don't understand that).

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Here's another one for you to spin.
A. Rodgers

1. "I think there is a transition period," Rodgers said of the Favre era . "I think guys need to give more of themselves. They need to realize there's an opportunity to be a leader. 2. Before, there might not have been that opportunity (because of Favre). It's not about one person; 3. it's about everybody in here picking up the slack."
1. Rodgers admits there is a differnce with out favre2. Not a big oppurtunity to step into a leadership role with Favre there. Other quotes have backed this up.

3. Everybody needs to pick up the slack. what slack if it's not missing?
:own3d: again
I don't think you understand the concept of :own3d: Its not to be posted when someone posts some information that has nothing to do with what has been argued.

He posted a bunch of good stuff...the problem is, I never denied that aspect of it (and have told him that several times now...but he just keeps going.

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Umm...but the problem is you don't deny he's a great leader yet we get this nonsense from you..."But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
:own3d:
Owned? Are you kidding...he just provided a textbook example of the spin you all have posted.If anything he :own3d: himself.
You'd be very, very wrong on that, slippy.
Coming from you...its pretty funny.Par for the course in you not understanding the difference between saying someone is a good leader (which I have admitted time and time again that Favre is) and someone saying none of it made the packers players play better and that they are now not playing as well simply because of the difference at QB.

But you will never understand that.

You simply think anyone who disagrees with me must be right and then you post a good posting or an owned icon.

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Here's another one for you to spin.
A. Rodgers

1. "I think there is a transition period," Rodgers said of the Favre era . "I think guys need to give more of themselves. They need to realize there's an opportunity to be a leader. 2. Before, there might not have been that opportunity (because of Favre). It's not about one person; 3. it's about everybody in here picking up the slack."
1. Rodgers admits there is a differnce with out favre2. Not a big oppurtunity to step into a leadership role with Favre there. Other quotes have backed this up.

3. Everybody needs to pick up the slack. what slack if it's not missing?
No need to spin it.I have NEVER denied any of this.

You are continuing to argue against a concept I have never denied.
Everything points to the difference Favre made in the level of play for the packers. You are just ignoring it.
 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Here's another one for you to spin.
A. Rodgers

1. "I think there is a transition period," Rodgers said of the Favre era . "I think guys need to give more of themselves. They need to realize there's an opportunity to be a leader. 2. Before, there might not have been that opportunity (because of Favre). It's not about one person; 3. it's about everybody in here picking up the slack."
1. Rodgers admits there is a differnce with out favre2. Not a big oppurtunity to step into a leadership role with Favre there. Other quotes have backed this up.

3. Everybody needs to pick up the slack. what slack if it's not missing?
No need to spin it.I have NEVER denied any of this.

You are continuing to argue against a concept I have never denied.
Everything points to the difference Favre made in the level of play for the packers. You are just ignoring it.
Nothing points to players playing harder for Brett than they have for Rodgers actually. NOTHING.You can post all the praise of him you want.

But none of it even comes close to saying they played harder for Favre than they have for Rodgers.

Cue the whines that Im diminishing what Favre meant or ignoring his leadership and all the other lies you all have come up with.

 
Your arguement about finding players playing harder or not ignores the big picture and the concept of leadership which you fail to grasp. So you bring out silly examples that in your delusional world make sense to you.

Also, your reality of what Favre has done and what you give him credit for are 2 completely different things. A concept that you cannot seem to grasp. So instead, you lie, spin and twist what I say to keep arguing....then whine we you get teased about how much you post.

For fun I wanted to post some of my favorite Jets quotes.

A quote from Leon Washington....

"When you have Brett Favre coming into the huddle, it makes everybody else in the huddle step their games up"

Jerico Cotchery

"It is very special to have a guy like that step into your huddle"

Eric Mangini

" I think Brett just . . . he instills confidence in the group ... There's a sense of ease when he has the ball. You feel he's going to get it to the right place."

From another player

"I didn't see any nervousness on his face; I saw a quiet confidence on his face, so to speak. When he stepped into the huddle, we knew we were going to be able to get it done because that's the way he's been this entire year."

http://www.daylife.com/quote/0fav1s56wI8vz
Great...more quotes completely irrelevant to the Green Bay Packers.
"The most meaningful measure of Favre's worth, however, has to be the profound impact he has had upon the Packers' artistic fortunes while developing into the league's premier field general" --Ron WolfI like this one from here about last season...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tim_layden/11/21/favre/1.html

"And at the core of the Packers' resurgence is the melding of generations, specifically the melding of Favre and just about everybody else."
THanks for providing more quotes that he is and was a great leader.Umm...but the problem is, I have yet to deny this (despite your spin).
Here's another one for you to spin.
A. Rodgers

1. "I think there is a transition period," Rodgers said of the Favre era . "I think guys need to give more of themselves. They need to realize there's an opportunity to be a leader. 2. Before, there might not have been that opportunity (because of Favre). It's not about one person; 3. it's about everybody in here picking up the slack."
1. Rodgers admits there is a differnce with out favre2. Not a big oppurtunity to step into a leadership role with Favre there. Other quotes have backed this up.

3. Everybody needs to pick up the slack. what slack if it's not missing?
No need to spin it.I have NEVER denied any of this.

You are continuing to argue against a concept I have never denied.
Everything points to the difference Favre made in the level of play for the packers. You are just ignoring it.
Nothing points to players playing harder for Brett than they have for Rodgers actually. NOTHING.You can post all the praise of him you want.

But none of it even comes close to saying they played harder for Favre than they have for Rodgers.

Cue the whines that Im diminishing what Favre meant or ignoring his leadership and all the other lies you all have come up with.
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.

 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
 
Ookie Pringle said:
The claim isn't that Rodgers is a better leader than Favre, it's the opposite. So that's why I ask, of that huge essay you posted, can you point to anything that Favre does than Rodgers does not? Anything in there that would explain why these packers would be playing better if Favre was providing leadership rather than Rodgers?

And that part about making decisions and living with the consequences and not making excuses or justifications is golden. I bet when Rodgers retires, he'll be more decisive than Favre was. At least Favre is leading in the excuses and justifications column.
This is easy. First, you are underestimating what a leader means to a team. What effect that player has, not only to his side of the ball, but the team in general.

Second, players respect Favre, offense, defense, opponents respect what he brought to the table. With that respect came an urgency to play better because that leader made the team better.

Lastly, when Favre stepped onto the field, the team, the opponents saw a guy who could win the game at any time in the last drive. Favre could beat any team, at any time. The opponents knew this and the team knew this. That same sense of urgency is not there with Rodgers... at all.
This is exactly what I addressed earlier in this thread.Does anyone actually believe the players out there this past Sunday, were not trying to play better because Aaron Rodgers was back there and not Brett Favre?
:goodposting:
I also love the "Favre could beat any team, at any time"...I guess except when he didn't. I guess he just didn't want to in those instances?
I don't think anyone was quoted saying that. Since you can't grasp what leadership means......A good leader inspires other men and women with confidence. A great leader inspires them with confidence in themselves.

- Reed Markham, American author

"Leaders are made, they are not born. They are made by hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay to achieve any goal that is worthwhile." --Vince Lombardi

"Leadership rests not only upon ability, not only upon capacity; having the capacity to lead is not enough. The leader must be willing to use it. His leadership is then based on truth and character. There must be truth in the purpose and will power in the character." --Vince Lombardi

"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." --Tom Landry

“When all is said and done, a leader must exercise an effective influence and the degree he accomplishes this depends upon the personality of the man. The incandescence of which he is capable; the flame which burns within him; the magnetism which draws the hearts of men towards him.” --Vince Lombardi

“Leadership is getting players to believe in you. If you tell a teammate you're ready to play as tough as you're able to, you'd better go out there and do it. Players will see right through a phony. And they can tell when you're not giving it all you've got. Leadership is diving for a loose ball, getting the crowd involved, getting other players involved. It's being able to take it as well as dish it out. That's the only way you're going to get respect from the players.” --Larry Bird
Actually, someone did say that and I quoted them. Go look at the red.As for more quotes on leadership...how nice. So how do those quotes apply to Favre and Rodgers, respectively? That's the thing that's so bizarre about this topic. The definition is vague. It's application (when finally defined) to a particular situation is vague. When it comes down to it, whether someone exhibits leadership is pretty much a matter of opinion which isn't supported by anything other than some internal bias.

I always come back to this observation, the more specifically you try to define leadership, the more difficulty you have in justifying your comparative opinion about the quantity or quality of someone's leadership....hence no responses yet to the Favre list.

So here we are. Some nice, feel-good quotes about leaderhship that still don't tell us a thing about how Favre would be leading the Pack to more wins this season.

 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
Maybe the small fragment you have zoomed in.Even if Rodgers quote did say it directly you would deny it. It's clear as day to those of us who see the whole picture.What void are they filling? What was the CB talking about when he made his statement? How bout Driver saying he tried to play as hard as Brett? It's really obvius.Columns have been posted that agree with what I'm saying, the packs record states it, the drop in offensive and defensive production states it. Your just not seeing it.Sorry.
 
Ookie Pringle said:
The claim isn't that Rodgers is a better leader than Favre, it's the opposite. So that's why I ask, of that huge essay you posted, can you point to anything that Favre does than Rodgers does not? Anything in there that would explain why these packers would be playing better if Favre was providing leadership rather than Rodgers?

And that part about making decisions and living with the consequences and not making excuses or justifications is golden. I bet when Rodgers retires, he'll be more decisive than Favre was. At least Favre is leading in the excuses and justifications column.
This is easy. First, you are underestimating what a leader means to a team. What effect that player has, not only to his side of the ball, but the team in general.

Second, players respect Favre, offense, defense, opponents respect what he brought to the table. With that respect came an urgency to play better because that leader made the team better.

Lastly, when Favre stepped onto the field, the team, the opponents saw a guy who could win the game at any time in the last drive. Favre could beat any team, at any time. The opponents knew this and the team knew this. That same sense of urgency is not there with Rodgers... at all.
This is exactly what I addressed earlier in this thread.Does anyone actually believe the players out there this past Sunday, were not trying to play better because Aaron Rodgers was back there and not Brett Favre?
:popcorn:
I also love the "Favre could beat any team, at any time"...I guess except when he didn't. I guess he just didn't want to in those instances?
I don't think anyone was quoted saying that. Since you can't grasp what leadership means......A good leader inspires other men and women with confidence. A great leader inspires them with confidence in themselves.

- Reed Markham, American author

"Leaders are made, they are not born. They are made by hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay to achieve any goal that is worthwhile." --Vince Lombardi

"Leadership rests not only upon ability, not only upon capacity; having the capacity to lead is not enough. The leader must be willing to use it. His leadership is then based on truth and character. There must be truth in the purpose and will power in the character." --Vince Lombardi

"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." --Tom Landry

“When all is said and done, a leader must exercise an effective influence and the degree he accomplishes this depends upon the personality of the man. The incandescence of which he is capable; the flame which burns within him; the magnetism which draws the hearts of men towards him.” --Vince Lombardi

“Leadership is getting players to believe in you. If you tell a teammate you're ready to play as tough as you're able to, you'd better go out there and do it. Players will see right through a phony. And they can tell when you're not giving it all you've got. Leadership is diving for a loose ball, getting the crowd involved, getting other players involved. It's being able to take it as well as dish it out. That's the only way you're going to get respect from the players.” --Larry Bird
Actually, someone did say that and I quoted them. Go look at the red.As for more quotes on leadership...how nice. So how do those quotes apply to Favre and Rodgers, respectively? That's the thing that's so bizarre about this topic. The definition is vague. It's application (when finally defined) to a particular situation is vague. When it comes down to it, whether someone exhibits leadership is pretty much a matter of opinion which isn't supported by anything other than some internal bias.

I always come back to this observation, the more specifically you try to define leadership, the more difficulty you have in justifying your comparative opinion about the quantity or quality of someone's leadership....hence no responses yet to the Favre list.

So here we are. Some nice, feel-good quotes about leaderhship that still don't tell us a thing about how Favre would be leading the Pack to more wins this season.
If you simply ignore the quotes of people who played with Favre. Otherwise you should see that he meant a lot to his previous team and now brings that to the new team.It's really obvious in my opinion.

 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
Maybe the small fragment you have zoomed in.Even if Rodgers quote did say it directly you would deny it. It's clear as day to those of us who see the whole picture.What void are they filling? What was the CB talking about when he made his statement? How bout Driver saying he tried to play as hard as Brett? It's really obvius.Columns have been posted that agree with what I'm saying, the packs record states it, the drop in offensive and defensive production states it. Your just not seeing it.Sorry.
Even if he said it, i would deny it?Hah.The void in leadership. Driver tried to play as hard as Brett...great. What does that have to do with how hard he is playing for Rodgers? Thats the point. You have nothing and it is very obvious you don't get it.The funny thing is, I could post. Favre is a great leader but it would not be enough for this team.And what do we get out of that...we get multiple people saying I am bashing Favre, ignoring his leadership and so on.I have agreed with most of what you are saying. I have disagreed that the team is not playing hard for Rodgers and I have disagreed that the difference in leadership from Favre to Rodgers is not enough to make this team a championship caliber team. The rest is all the spin of a few posters who are the usual ones who do such things when trying to discuss anything with me.And where is the link to me saying I diminish him on purpose. Back up your accusation, or admit you were full of it.
 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.
I'd say you are the one grasping for straws.
 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
Maybe the small fragment you have zoomed in.Even if Rodgers quote did say it directly you would deny it. It's clear as day to those of us who see the whole picture.What void are they filling? What was the CB talking about when he made his statement? How bout Driver saying he tried to play as hard as Brett? It's really obvius.Columns have been posted that agree with what I'm saying, the packs record states it, the drop in offensive and defensive production states it. Your just not seeing it.Sorry.
And where is the link to me saying I diminish him on purpose. Back up your accusation, or admit you were full of it.
He doesn't need a link. This whole forum is full of posts from you doing what you can to diminish Favre. :popcorn:
 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
Maybe the small fragment you have zoomed in.Even if Rodgers quote did say it directly you would deny it. It's clear as day to those of us who see the whole picture.What void are they filling? What was the CB talking about when he made his statement? How bout Driver saying he tried to play as hard as Brett? It's really obvius.Columns have been posted that agree with what I'm saying, the packs record states it, the drop in offensive and defensive production states it. Your just not seeing it.Sorry.
And where is the link to me saying I diminish him on purpose. Back up your accusation, or admit you were full of it.
He doesn't need a link. This whole forum is full of posts from you doing what you can to diminish Favre. :yes:
Go back and read his claim...then get back to us sparky.Rather than just jumping in with yet another baseless accusation that has nothing to do with the link that was being asked for.
 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
Maybe the small fragment you have zoomed in.Even if Rodgers quote did say it directly you would deny it. It's clear as day to those of us who see the whole picture.What void are they filling? What was the CB talking about when he made his statement? How bout Driver saying he tried to play as hard as Brett? It's really obvius.Columns have been posted that agree with what I'm saying, the packs record states it, the drop in offensive and defensive production states it. Your just not seeing it.Sorry.
Even if he said it, i would deny it?Hah.The void in leadership. Driver tried to play as hard as Brett...great. What does that have to do with how hard he is playing for Rodgers? Thats the point. You have nothing and it is very obvious you don't get it.The funny thing is, I could post. Favre is a great leader but it would not be enough for this team.And what do we get out of that...we get multiple people saying I am bashing Favre, ignoring his leadership and so on.I have agreed with most of what you are saying. I have disagreed that the team is not playing hard for Rodgers and I have disagreed that the difference in leadership from Favre to Rodgers is not enough to make this team a championship caliber team. The rest is all the spin of a few posters who are the usual ones who do such things when trying to discuss anything with me.And where is the link to me saying I diminish him on purpose. Back up your accusation, or admit you were full of it.
I do get it your blind and asking everyone to prove what's obvious. The thing is there's no empirical data to prove it.Tell you what why don't you prove the Team is playing just as hard for Rodgers as Farve. Give me some good data on this. Alllrighttty then.Record with out him so far proves he is. Prove to me otherwise or as you would say. Just admit your full of it.That's already been posted over and over by another posetr but you back tracked it to mean something else with a qualification of "as people think" or some such. So I do not feel a need to do it. If your so inclined prove to me your posts are not made to diminish Favre.
 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
Maybe the small fragment you have zoomed in.Even if Rodgers quote did say it directly you would deny it. It's clear as day to those of us who see the whole picture.What void are they filling? What was the CB talking about when he made his statement? How bout Driver saying he tried to play as hard as Brett? It's really obvius.Columns have been posted that agree with what I'm saying, the packs record states it, the drop in offensive and defensive production states it. Your just not seeing it.Sorry.
Even if he said it, i would deny it?Hah.The void in leadership. Driver tried to play as hard as Brett...great. What does that have to do with how hard he is playing for Rodgers? Thats the point. You have nothing and it is very obvious you don't get it.The funny thing is, I could post. Favre is a great leader but it would not be enough for this team.And what do we get out of that...we get multiple people saying I am bashing Favre, ignoring his leadership and so on.I have agreed with most of what you are saying. I have disagreed that the team is not playing hard for Rodgers and I have disagreed that the difference in leadership from Favre to Rodgers is not enough to make this team a championship caliber team. The rest is all the spin of a few posters who are the usual ones who do such things when trying to discuss anything with me.And where is the link to me saying I diminish him on purpose. Back up your accusation, or admit you were full of it.
I do get it your blind and asking everyone to prove what's obvious. The thing is there's no empirical data to prove it.Tell you what why don't you prove the Team is playing just as hard for Rodgers as Farve. Give me some good data on this. Alllrighttty then.Record with out him so far proves he is. Prove to me otherwise or as you would say. Just admit your full of it.That's already been posted over and over by another posetr but you back tracked it to mean something else with a qualification of "as people think" or some such. So I do not feel a need to do it. If your so inclined prove to me your posts are not made to diminish Favre.
Blind.Why should I prove something because you all can't prove your side?Such a great argument you make. Its obvious (so much so that it can't be proven) so you prove your side as well.Too funny and a typical tactic when someone cannot prove the BS they have been spewing.Record without him proves guys played harder for him than they do for Rodgers?Ok, so I will put you down in the camp of Ryan Grant and John Kuhn were not playing hard when they tried to get that key first down last week. How about that?Yes, that is an example of spin...and its just one play. Its done for effect.IMO...guys are still trying hard regardless of who is playing QB. Greg Jennings is playing for the team and for his contract. Driver is driven by more than just who is throwing him the ball. Does anyone actually think he is giving less effort because its not Brett Favre out there? Come on. The guy is a freakin pro's pro. He gives everything he has each week. He did with Favre, and IMO he has done it with Rodgers too.No, its never been posted by another poster that I admited I diminish him on purpose. You made a false accusation that you cannot back up and are making excuses. So...post the link, or admit you are full of it...its that easy. Or just don't make accusations.The rest of your post asking me to prove something like that is just crap and you know it...Its ridiculous...you post a lie...then fail to back it up when you are called on it. Too freakin funny.
 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
Maybe the small fragment you have zoomed in.Even if Rodgers quote did say it directly you would deny it. It's clear as day to those of us who see the whole picture.What void are they filling? What was the CB talking about when he made his statement? How bout Driver saying he tried to play as hard as Brett? It's really obvius.Columns have been posted that agree with what I'm saying, the packs record states it, the drop in offensive and defensive production states it. Your just not seeing it.Sorry.
Even if he said it, i would deny it?Hah.The void in leadership. Driver tried to play as hard as Brett...great. What does that have to do with how hard he is playing for Rodgers? Thats the point. You have nothing and it is very obvious you don't get it.The funny thing is, I could post. Favre is a great leader but it would not be enough for this team.And what do we get out of that...we get multiple people saying I am bashing Favre, ignoring his leadership and so on.I have agreed with most of what you are saying. I have disagreed that the team is not playing hard for Rodgers and I have disagreed that the difference in leadership from Favre to Rodgers is not enough to make this team a championship caliber team. The rest is all the spin of a few posters who are the usual ones who do such things when trying to discuss anything with me.And where is the link to me saying I diminish him on purpose. Back up your accusation, or admit you were full of it.
I do get it your blind and asking everyone to prove what's obvious. The thing is there's no empirical data to prove it.Tell you what why don't you prove the Team is playing just as hard for Rodgers as Farve. Give me some good data on this. Alllrighttty then.Record with out him so far proves he is. Prove to me otherwise or as you would say. Just admit your full of it.That's already been posted over and over by another posetr but you back tracked it to mean something else with a qualification of "as people think" or some such. So I do not feel a need to do it. If your so inclined prove to me your posts are not made to diminish Favre.
Blind.Why should I prove something because you all can't prove your side?Such a great argument you make. Its obvious (so much so that it can't be proven) so you prove your side as well.Too funny and a typical tactic when someone cannot prove the BS they have been spewing.Record without him proves guys played harder for him than they do for Rodgers?Ok, so I will put you down in the camp of Ryan Grant and John Kuhn were not playing hard when they tried to get that key first down last week. How about that?Yes, that is an example of spin...and its just one play. Its done for effect.IMO...guys are still trying hard regardless of who is playing QB. Greg Jennings is playing for the team and for his contract. Driver is driven by more than just who is throwing him the ball. Does anyone actually think he is giving less effort because its not Brett Favre out there? Come on. The guy is a freakin pro's pro. He gives everything he has each week. He did with Favre, and IMO he has done it with Rodgers too.No, its never been posted by another poster that I admited I diminish him on purpose. You made a false accusation that you cannot back up and are making excuses. So...post the link, or admit you are full of it...its that easy. Or just don't make accusations.The rest of your post asking me to prove something like that is just crap and you know it...Its ridiculous...you post a lie...then fail to back it up when you are called on it. Too freakin funny.
I've presented my side with information from various players etc, records, facts, and data. You seem to disagree yet have not provided data. So I'm now asking you for your side. Prove to me your right.Should be easy right.
 
Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
Maybe the small fragment you have zoomed in.Even if Rodgers quote did say it directly you would deny it. It's clear as day to those of us who see the whole picture.What void are they filling? What was the CB talking about when he made his statement? How bout Driver saying he tried to play as hard as Brett? It's really obvius.Columns have been posted that agree with what I'm saying, the packs record states it, the drop in offensive and defensive production states it. Your just not seeing it.Sorry.
Even if he said it, i would deny it?Hah.The void in leadership. Driver tried to play as hard as Brett...great. What does that have to do with how hard he is playing for Rodgers? Thats the point. You have nothing and it is very obvious you don't get it.The funny thing is, I could post. Favre is a great leader but it would not be enough for this team.And what do we get out of that...we get multiple people saying I am bashing Favre, ignoring his leadership and so on.I have agreed with most of what you are saying. I have disagreed that the team is not playing hard for Rodgers and I have disagreed that the difference in leadership from Favre to Rodgers is not enough to make this team a championship caliber team. The rest is all the spin of a few posters who are the usual ones who do such things when trying to discuss anything with me.And where is the link to me saying I diminish him on purpose. Back up your accusation, or admit you were full of it.
I do get it your blind and asking everyone to prove what's obvious. The thing is there's no empirical data to prove it.Tell you what why don't you prove the Team is playing just as hard for Rodgers as Farve. Give me some good data on this. Alllrighttty then.Record with out him so far proves he is. Prove to me otherwise or as you would say. Just admit your full of it.That's already been posted over and over by another posetr but you back tracked it to mean something else with a qualification of "as people think" or some such. So I do not feel a need to do it. If your so inclined prove to me your posts are not made to diminish Favre.
Ok, so I will put you down in the camp of Ryan Grant and John Kuhn were not playing hard when they tried to get that key first down last week. How about that?Yes, that is an example of spin...and its just one play. Its done for effect.
This is where you look silly.1. You claim you never spin.2. You get no effect by posting something like that other than you are a blind homer and will spin every chance you get. You seem to think one play is somehow making your point. IT ISN'T!
 
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Then your not seeing the whole picture and that's to bad. If the Rodgers quotes don't make it clear then no need arguing the fact. Your just not going to see the light.You your self said you diminish him on purpose. So not sure why anyone would whine about it. Just the fact that you are doing it makes me wonder if your really a packers fan. Other than wondering why you would do that to your living legend I could care less.
I see the whole picture...the few of you are grasping at straws in order the argue with me.Rodgers quotes say nothing about guys not playing harder.Saying they have to step up and be leaders too and help fill the void is not even close to what you are claiming it to mean.Arguing a fact is one thing...arguing your opinion of what Rodgers was saying and having it not be close to my argument is another.I said I diminish him on purpose? Umm...link to that?Again...no more lies or spin...just me saying what you just claimed.
Maybe the small fragment you have zoomed in.Even if Rodgers quote did say it directly you would deny it. It's clear as day to those of us who see the whole picture.What void are they filling? What was the CB talking about when he made his statement? How bout Driver saying he tried to play as hard as Brett? It's really obvius.Columns have been posted that agree with what I'm saying, the packs record states it, the drop in offensive and defensive production states it. Your just not seeing it.Sorry.
Even if he said it, i would deny it?Hah.The void in leadership. Driver tried to play as hard as Brett...great. What does that have to do with how hard he is playing for Rodgers? Thats the point. You have nothing and it is very obvious you don't get it.The funny thing is, I could post. Favre is a great leader but it would not be enough for this team.And what do we get out of that...we get multiple people saying I am bashing Favre, ignoring his leadership and so on.I have agreed with most of what you are saying. I have disagreed that the team is not playing hard for Rodgers and I have disagreed that the difference in leadership from Favre to Rodgers is not enough to make this team a championship caliber team. The rest is all the spin of a few posters who are the usual ones who do such things when trying to discuss anything with me.And where is the link to me saying I diminish him on purpose. Back up your accusation, or admit you were full of it.
I do get it your blind and asking everyone to prove what's obvious. The thing is there's no empirical data to prove it.Tell you what why don't you prove the Team is playing just as hard for Rodgers as Farve. Give me some good data on this. Alllrighttty then.Record with out him so far proves he is. Prove to me otherwise or as you would say. Just admit your full of it.That's already been posted over and over by another posetr but you back tracked it to mean something else with a qualification of "as people think" or some such. So I do not feel a need to do it. If your so inclined prove to me your posts are not made to diminish Favre.
Ok, so I will put you down in the camp of Ryan Grant and John Kuhn were not playing hard when they tried to get that key first down last week. How about that?Yes, that is an example of spin...and its just one play. Its done for effect.
This is where you look silly.1. You claim you never spin.2. You get no effect by posting something like that other than you are a blind homer and will spin every chance you get. You seem to think one play is somehow making your point. IT ISN'T!
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As a non-biased football fan it was time for both Farve and GB to move on.

I saw a pre-season show before last season and it stated that Farve had become "withdrawn and a loner" and spoke to very few teamamtes, and did not hang out with any of them like the old days.
I believe it was James Jones last season that stated that he and Favre had never had a conversation in the locker room. Kind of weird, him being the WR3 on the team.
Did you ever get a response to that, Sabertooth?That's a rather specific thing to say about Favre that could have something to do with Favre's leadership.

But no, rather than answer or reply to something specific about Favre's behavior in the locker room, we get more of the same old "it's obvious to anyone with any common sense how important his leadership was to the team".

Well, how obvious is it that not ever speaking to your WR in the locker room maybe isn't a positive thing for a team leader to be doing...err, not doing?

 
As a non-biased football fan it was time for both Farve and GB to move on.

I saw a pre-season show before last season and it stated that Farve had become "withdrawn and a loner" and spoke to very few teamamtes, and did not hang out with any of them like the old days.
I believe it was James Jones last season that stated that he and Favre had never had a conversation in the locker room. Kind of weird, him being the WR3 on the team.
Did you ever get a response to that, Sabertooth?That's a rather specific thing to say about Favre that could have something to do with Favre's leadership.

But no, rather than answer or reply to something specific about Favre's behavior in the locker room, we get more of the same old "it's obvious to anyone with any common sense how important his leadership was to the team".

Well, how obvious is it that not ever speaking to your WR in the locker room maybe isn't a positive thing for a team leader to be doing...err, not doing?
Read through the thread. There is a quote from driver that addresses this. He said Brett led by actions versus talking. I've seen other players say the same thing.
 
Can you show me the information on how the lack of leadership is not effecting the team?
Well, now you're assuming as fact what hasn't yet been established as fact: that there is a lack of leadership on this team.
Can you really sit here and tell us you don't think there is a lack of leadership on the Packers this year.I'll sit back and wait for the gem you will come up with.
Yes.I'm still waiting for an explanation of how the absence of Favre's leadership is affecting the Packers on the field.

...but I'm guessing all I'm going to get is another "it's so obvious, I can't explain it to you".

 
You have issues with him and the entire board knows it. Don't backpeddle now and try and state I overestimated its effect on the record of the team. I never stated anything like that. I had to defend the leadership Favre brought to the Packers because people like you and James the skate were doing everything you could to try and diminish the leadership factor Favre brought to the Packers. You now will spin, and spin away but that is exactly what you were doing here. Every media and NFL expert will testify that Favre was a great leader and the Packers own broadcaster has stated that the team is missing Favre's leadership yet we guys like you that will actually try and deny that.
James the skate? :confused: :lmao: That's so clever! Tell me you didn't come up with that all by your little lonesome. :lmao: :lmao:

I know you couldn't have because you havne't had an original thought of your own throughout this whole thread.

Did you ever come up with any specific ideas or theories about HOW Favre's alleged superior leadership would be helping this years Packers get some more wins?

Did you ever come up with an answer to this:

Favre says being a leader is getting the guys to raise their level of play. Sounds kind of like "giving their best effort". Not sure if Favre thinks there's so much more to it than that as you do, but who's to know.

Anyway, to get them to raise their level of play, you've got to set an example by

1) doing it the right way

2) showing up

3) being prepared

4) practice everyday

5) practice hard

6) study

7) never blame someone else

Does Rodgers do whatever it is the right way? Does Rodgers not show up? Does Rodgers not prepare? Does Rodger's not practice everyday? Does Rodgers not practice hard? Does Rodgers not study? Does Rodgers blame someone else?

So what from this list is Rodgers not doing that Favre did that is keeping his teammates from rasing their level of play?

I posted it a while back but I haven't had any takers yet for some reason.

 
JamesTheScot said:
Can you show me the information on how the lack of leadership is not effecting the team?
Well, now you're assuming as fact what hasn't yet been established as fact: that there is a lack of leadership on this team.
Can you really sit here and tell us you don't think there is a lack of leadership on the Packers this year.I'll sit back and wait for the gem you will come up with.
Yes.I'm still waiting for an explanation of how the absence of Favre's leadership is affecting the Packers on the field.
The 5-9 record.Go ask Wayne Larrivee, the voice of the Packers, that went on record stating the same thing. It is sad that you don't think the Packers have missed Favre's leadership this year. Either you are fishing or ignorant.

 
Stinger Ray said:
sho nuff said:
WHo said they do not know anything about leadership.

But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?Thanks, Ill hang up and listen.
and I quote sho nuff....."I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
So we can put Stinger Ray down for some crickets chirping.
 
BeaverCleaver said:
Stinger Ray said:
sho nuff said:
WHo said they do not know anything about leadership.

But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?

Thanks, Ill hang up and listen.
and I quote sho nuff....."I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
:confused: :lmao: :lmao:
And that would be some crickets chirping from BeaverCleaver as well.
 
Stinger Ray said:
sho nuff said:
WHo said they do not know anything about leadership.

But can anyone point to any of these quotes and show where Brett Favre made his Packer teammates play better and now they are not simply because of him?Thanks, Ill hang up and listen.
and I quote sho nuff....."I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."
So we can put Stinger Ray down for some crickets chirping.
So we can put you and sho down for a serious reality check.
 

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