matttyl
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This is a scary, scary scene at the oldest and largest school of journalism in the country. So much crazy going on.
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Mizzou Prez Forced to Resign for....? (1 Viewer)
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tri-man 47
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They have a right to walk forward (as stated at the end) ...but the President's car didn't have the right to drive forward in a formal, public parade? Let's just make the rules up as we go along.
Nugget
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Janna Basler (Greek Life Admin who blocked student in video) has been placed on administrative leave while Mizzou investigates.
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Nugget
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tri-man 47
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Intriguing. To wit (referring to the more troubling violence in Chicago's neighborhoods):
Concerned Student 1950 needs to ask Mizzou’s liberal academics to carry them to Tyshawn Lee’s neighborhood and create a safe space there. Seriously. Assimilated, spoiled black kids showing up on modern college campuses and pretending they’re standing on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965 is f—ing embarrassing. What’s worse is assimilated, spoiled black journalists selling the righteousness of their cause.
Columbia ain’t our problem. Chicago is.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/university-of-missouri-2016-candidates-react/index.html
It all comes down to political affiliation.
Republican Ben Carson, the only black candidate in the 2016 race, said the resignations are a sign of the "politically correct police" going too far.
"I'm listening to the #BlackOnCampus conversation. It's time to address structural racism on college campuses," Sanders tweeted.
Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) November 12, 2015
It all comes down to political affiliation.
Republican Ben Carson, the only black candidate in the 2016 race, said the resignations are a sign of the "politically correct police" going too far.
"I'm listening to the #BlackOnCampus conversation. It's time to address structural racism on college campuses," Sanders tweeted.
Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) November 12, 2015
Meatwad Reloaded
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What a bunch of idiots. I would totally understand if they were protesting the fact that they are taking out medium size mortgages in order to finance their worthless* degrees.
* Obviously not all degrees are worthless; I would say that many categories are becoming so, though. I am thinking the engineering/ pre-med/ nursing/ business students are sitting out these 'protests'.
* Obviously not all degrees are worthless; I would say that many categories are becoming so, though. I am thinking the engineering/ pre-med/ nursing/ business students are sitting out these 'protests'.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
By the way, the poop swastika story has been confirmed. Responding officer saw it himself. Still does't make any sense though. I mean, if someone drew an American flag in poop would you think they're patriotic?
HellToupee
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I don't think Bernie wants anymore shenanigansDitka Butkus said:
TobiasFunke
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I'm sure the activists are very happy about that. Without the poop swastika story the only evidence the black community had of racial issues on campus were the death threats and all the times they were called the N-word.
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
I still do not understand how it is the college's fault that somebody uses a racial slur. If people are still doing that down there, that is more of an institutional thing in the community. Why not demand the head of the governor? Why not make Odumbo resign? I find it hard to believe he is tolerating all this n word calling on his watch. Who has got a brother's back these days?
Ramblin Wreck
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Mizzou's game this week was supposed to be a white out. Next week is a black out. The white out is cancelled but the black out is not. Is this true? Has this story gotten this ridiculous? Can't someone just punch privileged starving boy in the neck on move on?
TobiasFunke
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Well sure. You can't hold the University of Missouri president responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole University of Missouri system? And if the whole U of M system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Meatwad- isn't this an indictment of our entire American society?
Oh, it is? My bad.
matttyl
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Were their legit death threats prior to this week? I know there was an arrest for some idiot making death threats on yik yak, but that was this week, and he wasn't even a student at the main campus.
matttyl
Footballguy
He asked a serious question. I think you've mentioned somewhere here before that you're Jewish (I think that's accurate). Back when you were in school if slurs were used against you, would you be demanding the president of the school to resign for it?
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Ladsud
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Just keep firing people, increase the use of mandatory education courses, maybe open a few education camps until we can rid America of anyone ever having to hear another hurtful word ever again. This #### is as bad as McCarthyism. Instead of people getting fired and black listed for being called a communist, these days just call them a racist and say good bye to your career.
TobiasFunke
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My guess is that things don't just go from zero to death threats. But what do I know? I'm just a middle-aged white guy from a different part of the country. Unlike many other posters in this thread I can't really claim to understand the experience of black students at that area.
TobiasFunke
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No he didn't. And in response to your serious question- no, I'd let it go. If I raised a stink about it- which I wouldn't because I'm lazy- and he seemed unresponsive to my concerns ... OK, I probably still wouldn't demand he resign, because like I said I'm lazy.
But if I was a grad student and he tried to pull my health insurance subsidies? Or if I was a woman concerned with my health and he cut off my access to Planned Parenthood? Then I might start getting a little peeved.
You guys are acting like some redneck yelled the N-word out of his truck while speeding past campus and next thing you know people were demanding the president's resignation. Pretty sure that's not the whole story. And that's not to say I think he should have been canned or he shouldn't have been. I have no idea or opinion on that, really.
matttyl
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Why do you have to be an ### all the time? Seriously, it's
I mean, there was an article I read (maybe posted here, maybe I found in my own search) about a teacher there who's apparently lived there for nearly two decades. She said something to the effect of being called the n-word "too many times to count in my time here in Columbia." She then said that the most recent time was in May of this year (6 months ago). Really? If it's happened "too many times to count", yet the most recent time was half a year ago - and from the story likely wasn't even affiliated with the school at all, but rather some redneck local ##### in a pickup truck with a confederate flag in the back. First off, how could that possibly be the school's fault if the guy had no connection to the school other than living in the area. Secondly, if it's happened that often, but the most recent time was that far back, it sounds like it's not as bad as it once was.
Ditka Butkus
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I was called the N-Word today....no really I was......you'll just have to take my word for it.
matttyl
Footballguy
For clarification, that was directly because of the ACA. They were buying individual plans and subsidizing them - something you couldn't do. The situation has since been resolved. And the grad student in question had a daddy who made like $6.7M last year. Poor him.
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TobiasFunke
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The point is that if the racial vibe on campus was healthy two weeks ago I doubt things would escalate to the level of death threats in that span of time. Maybe you disagree, which is fine.
And I'm not really sure how I'm being an ### here (although I'm sure the peanut gallery will happily pile on). What exactly bothered you so much? That I pointed out that I have no idea what the experience of being a black person, or more specifically a black student in Missouri is like? That I used sarcasm to point out that most of the other people who post here don't either? What part of what I said is incorrect? Anything? If you can't deal with someone using gentle sarcasm to make light of something that's clearly true, so be it, but it's not exactly an unusual thing to do around here
HellToupee
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matttyl
Footballguy
To add facts to your above statements - cause I'm actually tying to be at least somewhat educated on what actually has and hasn't happened.
"He" didn't try to pull anything. How they were implementing health insurance to the grad students there was unlawful under the ACA (they were using individual plans for employed people). They couldn't do that. There is nothing the President could have done. That was in August. Exactly two months later the situation was rectified and the school was once again offering subsidized coverage for the grad school assistants. The situation couldn't be fixed overnight, but it was fixed (I believe with a group health plan for these folks). In fact, they likely were still within the grace period of their prior coverage even if they stopped paying for them entirely in August. All of this happened before any demands were made by the Concerned Student 1950 group, or any protests, or any hunger strike.
The planned parenthood situation - state lawmakers (not the President) started investigating abortions performed there, so the relationship was stopped. That was in September. By October a new contract between the two was settled upon, and things were back to the way they were. This also was prior to any hunger strike or protests.
matttyl
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Again you bring up death threats. You're the one doing that. I'm simply asking about them. The only ones I've heard of were the ones made on yik yak earlier this week by a student at a different campus. I very much doubt those were legit. I don't remember ever seeing any of them in the original letter written September 12 by Student Body President Payton Head (you know, the guy who has since been found lying about his accusations). I even went back to try to reread it just now, but found that it's no longer there. If you can find a copy of it, I would like to reread it, as if there had been any death threats up to that point, I'm imagine he'd have brought those up.The point is that if the racial vibe on campus was healthy two weeks ago I doubt things would escalate to the level of death threats in that span of time. Maybe you disagree, which is fine.
And I'm not really sure how I'm being an ### here (although I'm sure the peanut gallery will happily pile on). What exactly bothered you so much? That I pointed out that I have no idea what the experience of being a black person, or more specifically a black student in Missouri is like? That I used sarcasm to point out that most of the other people who post here don't either? What part of what I said is incorrect? Anything? If you can't deal with someone using gentle sarcasm to make light of something that's clearly true, so be it, but it's not exactly an unusual thing to do around here
Oh yeah, apparently there are impeachment proceedings for that guy now since he "cried Wolfe".
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matttyl
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Again trying to find any history of any legit death claims prior to this week, I came across this....
"From 2012 to 2015, nine hate crimes were reported to the MU Police Department."
Given that the campus has 30k+ people, that number honestly seems small to me - or rather I'd have guessed far more given that people were protesting the administration doing nothing about them. The one they highlight wasn't a death threat, but rather some stupid freshman (17 or 18 year old kid I'd imagine) drawing a swastika with charcoal in the stairwell of his dorm. It's not like they didn't do anything, the guy was arrested for it.
"From 2012 to 2015, nine hate crimes were reported to the MU Police Department."
Given that the campus has 30k+ people, that number honestly seems small to me - or rather I'd have guessed far more given that people were protesting the administration doing nothing about them. The one they highlight wasn't a death threat, but rather some stupid freshman (17 or 18 year old kid I'd imagine) drawing a swastika with charcoal in the stairwell of his dorm. It's not like they didn't do anything, the guy was arrested for it.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I really have no idea what argument you're making. I said that the death threats were recent. I never said otherwise. I said that I considered them evidence that maybe things haven't been super awesome racially there in recent weeks/months/years since you generally don't go from Kumbaya to death threats in a week or two. Maybe you disagree. It doesn't really matter. The sole point I made- the one that got you all riled up- was simply pointing out that I don't have any idea what it's like to be a black student at that school or a black person in that area, and that most if not all FFA posters also don't have any idea either, and that therefore we really don't have any idea about the severity of racial issues on campus. Not sure why that set you off or even how that's controversial.Again you bring up death threats. You're the one doing that. I'm simply asking about them. The only ones I've heard of were the ones made on yik yak earlier this week by a student at a different campus. I very much doubt those were legit. I don't remember ever seeing any of them in the original letter written September 12 by Student Body President Payton Head (you know, the guy who has since been found lying about his accusations). I even went back to try to reread it just now, but found that it's no longer there. If you can find a copy of it, I would like to reread it, as if there had been any death threats up to that point, I'm imagine he'd have brought those up.The point is that if the racial vibe on campus was healthy two weeks ago I doubt things would escalate to the level of death threats in that span of time. Maybe you disagree, which is fine.
And I'm not really sure how I'm being an ### here (although I'm sure the peanut gallery will happily pile on). What exactly bothered you so much? That I pointed out that I have no idea what the experience of being a black person, or more specifically a black student in Missouri is like? That I used sarcasm to point out that most of the other people who post here don't either? What part of what I said is incorrect? Anything? If you can't deal with someone using gentle sarcasm to make light of something that's clearly true, so be it, but it's not exactly an unusual thing to do around here
Oh yeah, apparently there are impeachment proceedings for that guy now since he "cried Wolfe".
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SaintsInDome2006
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Has this been covered?
- Say, who's up for some good ol' Jim Crow segregation?
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The campus is soooo racist, it elected a black student body president, who was also voted homecoming king. 5 of the 9 people on the student government are black. Sure, there was maybe few incidents where a student or maybe non-student dropped the N-bomb. That is probably more of that guy being a dumba$$ then institutional racism. I have dozens of relatives who have graduated from Mizzou, some recently, they don't see it either.
matttyl
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No, you've been implying that there must have been death threats (plural) for some time for the situation to have escalated to where we are now. And again, the death threat this week was some student at another campus on yik yak. Not a serious threat at all, and that guys been arrested anyway. You're the one who originally, and continuously have brought up death threats. I'm just asking where they are? Has there in fact been a history of them prior to the protests? You seem to be the guy who knows what's going on there after all. I'm the one who's trying to gather the facts about what has actually happened there, and what's been made up. I pulled the article above about whatever history of hate crimes exist at the school (again, far fewer than I would have guessed) and there was no mention of any death threats. Do you have any other sources that claim that there have been?
matttyl
Footballguy
Good, a guy with some possible actual (second hand) knowledge of what's going on there. Thank you for your input.
I do wonder what kind of "privilege" this guy got form being Student Body President.
TobiasFunke
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I did no such thing. I said "things don't just go from zero to death threats," i.e. as I said later that things generally don't go from holding hands around the campfire singing kumbaya to death threats. You read something into that sentence that's not there.
On the second bolded statement- I have absolutely no idea what's going on there. I have no idea what it's like for black students at U of M or anywhere else. I've said that like eight times and for some reason people still think I'm professing some level of understanding of the situation. Would it help if I wrote it in boldface 24 font size capital letters or something? But here's the thing- you don't either. And you're not gonna figure it out from a couple news articles or by disproving one guy's statement about one particular incident.
baloons
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Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
One side of the argument needs to be a little more sensitive and the other needs to be a little less sensitive. Problem solved.
TobiasFunke
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matttyl
Footballguy
Better in boldface than in blackface.
And yes you did imply that. What you said was "Without the poop swastika story the only evidence the black community had (past tense) of racial issues on campus were the death threats (plural) and all the times they were called the N-word." So yes, you did imply that death threats had happened. Again, I'm trying to find out what has actually happened there. Saying there were death threats, or swasticacas (my favorite term), or the KKK driving down campus with confederate flags, and bricks being thrown through windows so steer clear of them - isn't really helpful in none of those really happened.
I'm personally under the belief that some idiot kid at another campus 100 miles away thought it would be funny to post a "death threat" on yik yak after all the broohaha from earlier in the week.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
There were multiple threats and they occurred before today, so plural past tense seems fine to me. Here's some fun social media images and links to peruse.
Anyway, let's just call it a misunderstanding and move on, shall we?
Nugget
Footballguy
Lots of schools are going to be having similar conversations, protests, and demands over the next few months. Disagreements over what constitutes racism is going to further separate many people. Issues like the Thomas Jefferson statue at Mizzou or lack of building named for people of color are going to be triggering mechanisms. Curious to see the media coverage and discussions to follow.
Doug B
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You've made this point several times, but I don't think it's particularly important.
If there are compelling reasons outsiders should sympathize with U of Missouri's protesting students ... then by all means, students, make with the information already. The fact that such information is not forthcoming is telling to me. Additionally, I don't think those protesting are really reliable storytellers of their personal experiences -- I doubt they'll tell me things that can't be explained away as either exaggerations or instances of undue sensitivity (e.g. a falling-down drunk frat boy whipping out the n-word shouldn't be a core-shaking experience).
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Ladsud
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Its funny in this day and age where everyone has a camera / video recorder in there pocket that there is no video evidence of groups of white people chanting white power, or driving around in pick up trucks yelling at black people. Other than the idiot posting everything else in that link has no evidence.
TheMagus
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Except for that one idiot on YikYak who did get arrested AFTER the president resigned, all of that other stuff is made up. The KKK was not on campus and whatever else the latest Twitter hysteria was all about was all false too. I looked at the hashtag #Mizzou the other day and it was utterly ridiculous. People were posting pictures of the KKK from the 1920s claiming they were current shots being taken from the campus. And then all these other idiots were chiming in "praying" for the lives of the Mizzou students and declaring how terrified they were to leave their dorms. It was mind-numbing.
matttyl
Footballguy
Yes, that link first talks about the yik yak post I've mentioned here many times. That was late Tuesday night.
The rest seems to be no more than people taking the false rumors spread by Student President Payton Head as gospel. Those later were deemed false.
You'd think in today's day and age if there were guys driving around yelling at black students, and those students leaving in droves - that somewhere, someone would have taken a picture of it?
Some "source" saying that campus is like "this place is literal hell right now." I think he just misspelled "liberal".
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Doug B
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Was the bolded an actual claim?
Otherwise, agreed. The random yokel yelling out of a moving vehicle ... that happens with some frequency. I've been on the receiving end of that myself when I've been in places the local denizens felt I didn't belong.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
So you're simultaneously demanding information about personal experiences and rejecting the trustworthiness of the only people in a position to share those experiences?
If you want to peruse some of the information you're requesting in real time, here you go. Apparently it's Perdue's turn today. But it seems like it would be a waste of time if you're just going to reject its reliability anyway.
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