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Mizzou Prez Forced to Resign for....? (2 Viewers)
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IvanKaramazov
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Nugget
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Kansas is joining in on the debate.
Rock Chalk Invisible Hawk
List of 15 demands were presented yesterday as they took over the stage at the diversity town hall. My favorite is a call for a separate Multicultural Student Government - independent of current Kansas Student Senate. Is there a push for "separate but equal"?
No calls for resignations - but threatened to "raise hell" if they weren't implemented by Jan.19
Rock Chalk Invisible Hawk
List of 15 demands were presented yesterday as they took over the stage at the diversity town hall. My favorite is a call for a separate Multicultural Student Government - independent of current Kansas Student Senate. Is there a push for "separate but equal"?
No calls for resignations - but threatened to "raise hell" if they weren't implemented by Jan.19
John Bender
Footballguy
I knew that chicken guy was in the kkk
Parrothead
Footballguy
Sounds like "Opportunism" is the hottest major at colleges these days
HellToupee
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Doug B
Footballguy
Not quite "demanding information about personal experiences" -- I'm asking for something beyond the anecdotal. Something corroborated, documented, established beyond the impressions of individuals.
Parrothead
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start hiding white people
matttyl
Footballguy
Death threats at Howard University in DC, referencing Mizzou. Fake it till it comes true?
Wonder if either this threat, or the recent one at Mizzou would have happened without the protests.
Wonder if either this threat, or the recent one at Mizzou would have happened without the protests.
HellToupee
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Thursday is a great drinking night , I expect tomorrow a bunch of schools will jump on the bandwagon
matttyl
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HellToupee
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Students should be protesting the exorbitant cost of tuition & fees
Ladsud
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Are you suggesting the previous death threats were fake?
Why does it matter if they would have happened without the protests?
Parrothead
Footballguy
The organizer for the Million Student March, just gets totally abused 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/12/neil-cavuto-repeatedly-confronts-student-pushing-free-college-plan-with-harsh-facts-figures-during-cringeworthy-9-minute-interview/
If I was these kids, I would be protesting these huge endowments that universities have.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/12/neil-cavuto-repeatedly-confronts-student-pushing-free-college-plan-with-harsh-facts-figures-during-cringeworthy-9-minute-interview/
If I was these kids, I would be protesting these huge endowments that universities have.
Ladsud
Footballguy
People posting fake death threats on an anon message board, or organized radicals clamoring for the firing of certain people based on race and gender. What do you consider more dangerous to the future of this nation?
HellToupee
Footballguy
"stay away from the windows "
matttyl
Footballguy
The "previous" ones were this week. I'm suggesting that neither would have happened without the media circus created by the activists at Missouri. They created their own situations were the death threats happened.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Well they blew up the chicken man in Philly last night now they blew up his house too
Parrothead
Footballguy
that will be the next demand- free tuition and debt forgiveness.. or we will all stomp our feet and hold our breath!!!
IvanKaramazov
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Some of the stuff that they're asking for -- like more multicultural advisors, better support for veterans, and a campus climate survey -- are pretty reasonable and could actually happen. The thing about adding more minority faculty is also a common, reasonable-looking request, even if it has no chance of happening because of the realities of the academic labor market. But that stuff is all fine.
Then somebody on the committee that drafted these had to go too far and included the crackpot stuff like an apartheid student government system and reprisals against particular individuals by name. Nice job, guys.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'm not sure I follow. You think the thousands and thousands of people at universities online sharing stories of discrimination in their day to day lives are all part of some elaborate hoax? And how would such things get corroborated and documented anyway?
I guess if you want corroborated, documented, established examples of racism in America and its impact on people and communities, curl up with this for a few hours if you haven't already. Or are you saying that even though pervasive racial discrimination has been documented pretty much everywhere in this country you don't believe it's happening in this one particular place despite the many anecdotes unless you can get corroboration and documentation?
Doug B
Footballguy
On that Twitter feed, I saw a picture of Viola Davis's character in The Help used on a sign posted by an RA to ask for quiet in a dorm hall. Since the RA is a representative of Purdue, yes, the university's PTB need to get involved. And similarly for similar cases perpetuated by Purdue staff, people in student government, the Greek system, and such.
Otherwise, there are a lot of anecdotes about running across and dealing with stupid, tactless, and/or racist people. IMHO, that's miles from the fault or responsibility of Purdue University as an institution. Thoughtcrime, even if spoken out loud, shouldn't be actionable so long as the "thoughtcrimer" is not speaking such to interfere with someone else's rights. YMMV.
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You know what's funny about reading about these events? Don't know if any other FBGs attended LSU in the early 90s, but: One year (circa 1991?), the DKE fraternity hung a Confederate flag from the second-story balcony of their house. They got into instant merde with school administration, drew scathing front-page articles from LSU's paper, and were basically shamed into removing the flag within a few days. I highly doubt there were a lack of mouthbreathing idiots espousing racist views on campus ... but institutionally, LSU handled things right. There was a pro-Rodney King demonstration right down LSU's main drag in 1992 -- campus police didn't sweat it, didn't make a show of force or anything.
I just don't know ... seemed like race relations should be better today than at any random point a quarter century ago. Yet things appear appallingly worse. What is the deal? Have expectations changed or something?
matttyl
Footballguy
They are all sharing (at least the ones in your link a page go) the story from Payton Head, which was a lie. Yes, I'm sure the n-word is thrown around quite often by rich white kids at universities across the country. That's not the same as the KKK driving down campus throwing bricks through windows and claiming it's like "hell on earth."
TobiasFunke
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Are you saying that if you peacefully protest, you're asking for death threats? That you bear responsibility for "creating a situation where the death threats happened?" Active voice on the protesting but passive voice on those unavoidable death threats that just "happened"? If not, what are you saying?
Doug B
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The small stuff (90% of the Purdue Twitter feed you linked), while no doubt unfortunate and frustrating in the moment, don't move me. Why? Because I don't think the universities as institutions are responsible for any of that so long as university staff/student govt/Greek system/etc. aren't involved.
How documented? One guy on the Purdue Twitter feed took a picture of the offending poster, for example. Corroborated? This matters when an accusation of institutional racism is raised. Otherwise, how do I know that an issue between Professor Smith a given student is more than a personal issue between the two?
No -- you (or they?) are changing the scope of what these protests are supposed to be about and what the universities as institutions can fairly be held accountable for. I'm sorry racism still exists in America -- not U of Misssouri's, Ithaca's, Purdue's fault or problem beyond the policies and actions of their staffs and official affiliates.
IvanKaramazov
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Something vaguely similar happened on my campus a couple of years ago. Some mouthbreathing student went on one of those forums on Reddit and started a racist thread about his history professor, who is a black female. She found out about it because it popped up in a google search of her name. The student had posted anonymously of course, but our dean and provost put together a low-key rally for students and faculty to express their opinion that this kind of thing has no place in an educated community. I'm not a SJW by any means, and I don't like rallies, but I attended because this person is one of my colleagues and obviously didn't deserve to be treated this way. Basically*, that was the right way to handle it. Contrast this with the situation in Missouri and (I think) Ithaca, where administrators just sat around and did nothing in response to racial incidents. The administration can't stop people from being racist dirtbags, but they can certainly take a stand against racist dirtbaggery. That goes a long way toward defusing this stuff.
* I say "basically" because, of course, one of the speakers had to one-up everybody else by going off into crackpot-land. According to one of my colleagues in the English department, my university should ban all anonymous internet forums from the campus network, all because of one dirtbag on Reddit. Needless to say, that didn't happen, so I can still post here with impunity.
matttyl
Footballguy
Well, first off they weren't peacefully protesting. I'm sure you saw the video of the Asian journalist being threatened and pushed for exercising his first amendment rights (and doing his job, as he was hired by ESPN to do). The homecoming parade demonstration was also totally out of place if you ask me, but it was peaceful.
What I'm saying is that in today's world, with all the dumb people in it, and the ease it is with social media to show how dumb you are - if you protest in a way that offends or upsets others then you will receive death threats. You aren't "asking for them," but they likely wouldn't have happened if not for your protests and made up claims of the KKK on campus. Of course false claims of the KKK are going to get all the crazies out of the woodwork.
I've never heard of any racially motivated death threats at Howard U or Mizzou prior to this week (and I've looked - extensively at the later). You really think it's simply a coincidence that both have occurred within 4 days of the media S storm at Mizzou?
Instead they are going to make the university spend more on bull#### classes and administrators.
Nugget
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You nailed it. There are some real actionable items that probably make sense. Spending caps for student elections, filing open multicultural positions, additional support for veterans are all great. Reopening a murder investigation from 1970 and calling out a specific professor for sexual assault seems a bit much.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
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I have no proof but I think this has got a lot to do with distribution of wealth.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
My understanding of the protests was that they're protesting a perceived lack of effort from the administration to create a culture where that stuff happens less often, the idea being that it happens way way too much at that particular school (schools?) I don't know if that's true or not but I don't see any reason to assume they're lying and their concerns aren't legitimate. Something must have spurred these people (and not other people) to action? They did also have some concrete concerns about composition of the student population and the faculty, by the way.
Funny- I had no real argument here other than pointing out how weird it is that some people seemed to be posting as if they knew what it was like for black students there, and somehow I end up defending the protesters. I really don't know if their actions are justified or if their complaints are valid, I'm just wondering why other people think they know that their actions aren't justified and their complaints are invalid.
matttyl
Footballguy
The same request was made at my alma mater, and it's an extremely liberal school. Pres came out and said it would be a violation of freedom of speech.
matttyl
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
Poor Keely Mullen
I am a W&M alum* - should I be offended? If so, with whom should I be offended?
* I don't know that I even know where the Thomas Jefferson statute is on campus.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Someone could drive two hours west and post it note his entire university. Could even stop and pick up some vcu protesters on the way
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
If George Zimmerman would have just taken his beating and gone home I don't think a lot of this stuff happens...yet. He should sacrifice himself as a peace offering.
Ladsud
Footballguy
Yeah, guess it doesnt matter. These statues will probably be taken down and stuck into a warehouse soon anyway.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
parrot
Footballguy
"a population that's doing nothing to contribute to the progression of society" in reference to the wealthy.
Poor Keely Mullen
Wherever you stand on the "Do the rich pay enough in taxes?" question, hopefully everyone can agree this statement should be punch in the face worthy. Just for her own good.
Doug B
Footballguy
I don't know that in the sense that I know the sky is blue. It's an opinion of mine. I reserve the right to change it when presented with new information. Having said that, I'm not willing to give the students the benefit of the doubt. But that's a personal worldview thing.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
It will be fun when these students try similar tactics with their future employers.
Doug B
Footballguy
The university can't change that ... they'd have to catch racist/tactless/clueless students before they get to the university. Or have draconian, readily-abused zero-tolerance dismissal policies against off-the-cuff racist speech (as opposed to Confederate flag displays, reading Mein Kampf at Free Speech Alley, etc.).
A lot of stuff the Purdue students were tweeting about were perfect teaching moments ... opportunities to put the "thoughtless" racists on the spot and make them think about what they were saying. IMHO, that's a better way to address these concerns, person by person. Browbeating society isn't going to work ... in a best case scenario, they can count on substantial backlash and digging in.
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