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While I'll agree he's been a disappointment, I don't think you cut him. Bench him if you have an alternative. I can't imagine there's someone else on the waiver wire with more upside than him.
Banger
Footballguy
I agree, but I guess the same could be said for M. Barber. The Jags offense just isn't good.
duaneok66
Footballguy
Barber wasnt a 2nd round pick, and at least Barber had a defined role . . .
wraith5
Footballguy
Personally, I took a leap of faith because a lot of guys who are smarter than I am (at FF, anyway) were pretty high on the guy. It happens... I accept it and just need to figure out how to move forward.
Because he had 15 td's in limited action in 2006. MJD looked like he was a threat to put up Brian Westbrook like numbers.Jones-Drew was a stud last season.Granted, there was some reason to doubt that he would put up the same numbers he put up in 2006, but I don't think anyone could honestly say that they thought he would be as bad as he has been in 2007.MJD at this point is nothing but a 4th rb on a good team.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
posts like this annoy me, greatly. he was a "backup" last season and did this as a rookie in terms of fantasy points (1pt/10yd, 6pt TD, 0.5 PPR):0.8225.513.117.9bye16.310.29.514.713.12110.634.62236.2from week 3 onward, he only scored less than 10 fantasy points in ONE game (and it was still 9.5). that's remarkable consistency AND great upside. he finished number 8 RB last year in this scoring format. to think that he would regress significantly with fred taylor another year older is silly. MJD's poor numbers are a result of the Jag's ineffective offense in these first three weeks, not a reflection of his talent.
duaneok66
Footballguy
it's always the system's fault when your player doesn't perform . . . remember fantasy football players were gushing over him, NOT the coaching staff - if ff fans had their way, both Jones would have been cut and Taylor would not have been resigned, but instead Jones is on the team and Taylor gets resignes, yet people STILL picked him in the 2nd round . . .----------and just because he put up those stat's last year as a backup , that doesnt automatically mean he puts up the same stats the next year . . .don't get annoyed because MJD is stinking up the joint . . .
It's not just the Jags offense. How many times did MJD get tackled inside the 5 today? Does anyone know? It must have been at least six times, plus a lost fumble! It was pathetic. He has had three AWFUL games in a row. Not the Jags, HIM. MJD is getting ample opportunity, especially in the red zone, and he is NOT taking advantage.
I still think he's worth a roster spot, because he figures to get the opportunites, at least for a few more weeks. But if he doesn't start producing, Del Rio will make Taylor the every down guy and Jones the goal line guy and MJD will see 5 carries a game and a few kickoffs and that will be that.
I still think he's worth a roster spot, because he figures to get the opportunites, at least for a few more weeks. But if he doesn't start producing, Del Rio will make Taylor the every down guy and Jones the goal line guy and MJD will see 5 carries a game and a few kickoffs and that will be that.
Jagerbomber
Footballguy
You could argue that the first game was bad for him due to a lack of touches. He had enough chances today and he didn't look so good. Taylor didn't set the world on fire but he definitely looks like he still has solid mileage left. I suppose that's why he's still the starter
thecardiackid
Footballguy
He was done in today by the joke of a OC w/ HORRIBLE play calling in JAX in the redzone. MJD will be fine. Maybe he won't quite live up to a R2 ADP, but we're only 3 games in. MJD should have had at least 1 score (if not for the playcalling), and possibly another when Gerrard missed him on a sideline route earlier in the game. One or two scores and we're all breathing a sigh of relief. This was bad playcalling & luck today, and MJD was in the game more than the previous weeks (including the redzone). Also, Freddy looked like he hurt his leg/knee a little (IMO).
Yea, Jones stole one @ the stripe, but that wasn't actually a bad call (one of the few). Gerrard looked good today - decent passing and ran well IMO - he's improving and getting used to his new role (even though he started a lot last season). JAX is 2-1 and has a decent scheule coming up.
There's no point in selling low. Ride this out a few more weeks and you'll (hopefully) be rewarded w/ a guy that is a decent RB2/flex option.
Yea, Jones stole one @ the stripe, but that wasn't actually a bad call (one of the few). Gerrard looked good today - decent passing and ran well IMO - he's improving and getting used to his new role (even though he started a lot last season). JAX is 2-1 and has a decent scheule coming up.
There's no point in selling low. Ride this out a few more weeks and you'll (hopefully) be rewarded w/ a guy that is a decent RB2/flex option.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I'll look up MJDs tackled inside the 5 for the season numbers later if no one else does, but it's a big numer. He could easily have 2-3 TDs this season which would not make him a stud but certainly would help those that took him early. Sell him at your own risk, I'm keeping him and starting him as a flex with no worries.
I'm in the same camp regarding not selling low. But, to blame it all on JAX play calling and OL doesn't seem fair. MJD fumbled on the 1 and lost the ball. He also didn't seem to have many decent runs from outside the red zone either. Fred did.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Do you really blame MJD for not scoring @ the goal line? There was no where to go. Nothing. Jim Brown would have run into his linemen's backsides there. I was screaming for a friggin sweep, or something other than up the gut into a pile of bodies. If anything, credit Denver's D line for owning the LOS.On the fumble play he slammed into the pile (no hole missed) and decided to try to do something vs. falling down for a loss. Sam Adams owned the inside of the line - especially near the endzone. The ground caused that fumble (vs. someone knocking it out), when his knee wasn't down yet. I'm not trying to be an apologist, but if anyone deserves the blame for MJD's stat line (w/o a TD today), it's Tice or whoever is calling the plays. How about the 3rd down (on the friggin 1) spike to stop the clock w/ plenty of time left? Brilliant!
Marc Faletti
Footballguy
The thing that should be frustrating to MJD owners was that this was a game against a pretty bad rush D in which they had a pretty large lead. If they aren't going to get MJD untracked in a game like this, when will they do so?
And that goal line fumble by MJD might just mean Greg Jones becomes an even bigger vulture threat.
MJD *will* have some good games this year. But it's looking like they might be the exception and not the rule.
And that goal line fumble by MJD might just mean Greg Jones becomes an even bigger vulture threat.
MJD *will* have some good games this year. But it's looking like they might be the exception and not the rule.
G Jones scored on a fullback up the gut. Not as a goal line heavy RB. MJD got a couple of opportunities inside the 10 AFTER the fumble.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I play in a receiving heavy, return yardage dynasty league where MJD was the #4 RB last season. I drafted him at 1.09 this year in our startup draft.
He has been saved by his return yards in weeks 1 & 3 (none in week 2), but he also lost a fumble in both of those weeks.
I was enfuriated when he had like his 3rd carry on the goalline and then fumbled it. Nothing like a 9 pt. swing from possible TD (+6) to lost fumble (-3). I may end up losing by less than that this week.
I gave him one more chance to step up and perform this week against what was a soft D, but I'm now done with him unless they have an extremely favorable matchup or Fred Taylor gets hurt. Something's wrong with both him and the O-line in Jax...not a good combo for a RB who gets limited touches.
He has been saved by his return yards in weeks 1 & 3 (none in week 2), but he also lost a fumble in both of those weeks.
I was enfuriated when he had like his 3rd carry on the goalline and then fumbled it. Nothing like a 9 pt. swing from possible TD (+6) to lost fumble (-3). I may end up losing by less than that this week.
I gave him one more chance to step up and perform this week against what was a soft D, but I'm now done with him unless they have an extremely favorable matchup or Fred Taylor gets hurt. Something's wrong with both him and the O-line in Jax...not a good combo for a RB who gets limited touches.
Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
Maybe there's an ESPN Fantasy commercial jinx happening?
MaddHatter
Footballguy
He's an ESPN Fantasy Hall of Famer...
Who next, will they annoint Lee Suggs?
Seriously though, he should rebound in dynasty leagues but I wouldn't touch him in redrafts. I would keep him because his long-term value is a ton greater than right now.
Who next, will they annoint Lee Suggs?
Seriously though, he should rebound in dynasty leagues but I wouldn't touch him in redrafts. I would keep him because his long-term value is a ton greater than right now.
Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
I haven't seen any Jags games yet this year so stop me if this is ridiculous - I'm contemplating trading Benson (who is TOUGH to watch) and a WR for Jones Drew and a slight WR upgrade.
Is the MJD situation hopeless? Is it all on the o-line or does he look slow/fat/hurt?
Is the MJD situation hopeless? Is it all on the o-line or does he look slow/fat/hurt?
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I'm in the camp that's saying don't sell low and certainly don't outright drop him. In the 2nd quarter of yesterday's game he had an 11 yd. rec. I believe and was tackled at the 2 yd. line. In the 3rd qtr. I believe he had another 10 yd. rec. and was tackled at the 1. That's not the O-line, play-calling or anyone else's fault. That's just random bad luck. It's very clear MJD is not going to be what all of us who were high on him thought he would be this year. BUT, I also don't believe the situation is as bad as his current stat-line would indicate. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Make plans for an alternate #2 - find a way to slide MJD to your #3 RB and I believe by season's end, his numbers will justify a #3 fantasy back role.
Make plans for an alternate #2 - find a way to slide MJD to your #3 RB and I believe by season's end, his numbers will justify a #3 fantasy back role.
switz
Footballguy
And failed to convert. Greg Jones was successful - his role at the GL will only increase. It looks more and more like last year MJD just had everything lined up right for him, and his performance will not be repeated. He's had a lot of opportunity this season, that's not the problem, he's just done nothing with the opps.NOONAN said:
Club Leftwich
Footballguy
Two positive things will eventually happen for MJD - Brad Meester will return and Fred Taylor will miss time.
Every knows you're an MJD hater.Jones is the fullback. Teams use that plunge play on occasion to keep the defense honest. IF he starts lining up as the RB, MJD has an issue.
MJD has been VERY successful as the goal line guy. It is tough to score on a run straight up the middle when the D line is 2-3 yards deep in the backfield-no matter who you are. The play-calling needs to improve(maybe the FB plunge gives other DC's something to plan for), maybe run a power sweep now and then, and the O-line needs to open a hole.
On the fumble, MJD tried to get cute and it cost him. Lesson learned, I believe.
BTW, he was on my bench this week. Nothing against him, just waiting for the Jags to get it together.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Seriously going to try and sink my teeth into acquiring MJD this week.
I think I can get it done in several leagues. Patience is a virtue.
Especially if your teams are set up well enough to be patient on a player "coming around".
I think I can get it done in several leagues. Patience is a virtue.
Especially if your teams are set up well enough to be patient on a player "coming around".
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Bender
Footballguy
You guys are crazy if you're cutting MJD outright.
While the situation isn't great right now, something about the guy has 2nd half breakout written all over it.
Whether they switch up the offense, Taylor gets hurt, etc...I think MJD will pay some big dividens down the stretch.
The whole point here is that it's not an issue of talent. It's an issue of what Jacksonville has done with their offense to this point.
If you get a great offer for him, then I'd entertain it, but I wouldn't cut this guy outright...it's insane. ESPECIALLY with Fragile Freddy being the only think stopping him from getting 25-30 touches a game.
While the situation isn't great right now, something about the guy has 2nd half breakout written all over it.
Whether they switch up the offense, Taylor gets hurt, etc...I think MJD will pay some big dividens down the stretch.
The whole point here is that it's not an issue of talent. It's an issue of what Jacksonville has done with their offense to this point.
If you get a great offer for him, then I'd entertain it, but I wouldn't cut this guy outright...it's insane. ESPECIALLY with Fragile Freddy being the only think stopping him from getting 25-30 touches a game.
Exactly. Bang on on this one Bender. You simply dont cut 2nd round picks until they end up on IR. You just dont. Yes its stubborn etc but its just common sense: you drafted him for a reason! Even if he performs to your expectations for a 3-4 week stretch that is worth you keeping him. Unless you can find a stud on the WW (which you wont) you have to keep him.
switz
Footballguy
So much so that I made several attempts to trade for him prior to this week
Right, because they'll never run that FB GL plunge again, so MJD has no worries....
Problem is MJD has NOT been successful AT ALL at the goal line this year. Blame it on whatever you want, but the other RBs have gotten in, and MJD hasn't. The other RBs have run well behind the same OL, MJD hasn't. At what point do you admit it may just be the RBs fault?
Learned by MJD, or the coach? At least the coach gave him opps after, so it looks good for MJD that the fumble won't cost him. I don't think he's a sell low candidate, but honestly, I don't think he's a buy low candidate either
Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
At the risk of repeating a post of mine a few slots up, I was considering moving Benson and a WR for Jones Drew and a slightly better WR. I'm really down on Benson, as most people are. That being said, he does have a 100 yard game under his belt. And he scored a TD yesterday. So a RB desperate team might be interested in dealing for him.Benson > Jones Drew???
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This simply isn't going to happen, in my opinion. If the Jags felt he was capable of touching the ball that many times, I doubt they'd have re-upped Taylor for as long as they did. If Taylor gets hurt, Drew will just be sharing touches with someone else. He may be getting the primary carries/touches, but he won't be seeing 25-30 total touches. Someone else will still be seeing the ball between 10-15 times a game from the TB spot. They've ran Greg Jones from the TB spot before, so I doubt JDR would hesitate to do it again for 10 plays a game.Regardless, I think that offense stuggles all year anyway. Not because of personnel, but primarily because of Koetter.
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Definitely an overhyped pick, but it is moronic to call him a backup.
EdwardCat
Footballguy
See also: LT (except LT has a couple TDs)
He's annoyed becuase you can't understand the big difference between a backup RB and a RBBC RB.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Last week i offered the MJD owner Ronnie Brown one for one he delined , too bad for him .
This week it would take MJD and Ron Curry at least.
Dunno what s happening but he does nt break any tackles nothing i am glad i did nt trade for him ( Not Ronnie Brown aniways ).
Dynasty league .
This week it would take MJD and Ron Curry at least.
Dunno what s happening but he does nt break any tackles nothing i am glad i did nt trade for him ( Not Ronnie Brown aniways ).
Dynasty league .
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BigRed
Footballguy
no shiite but it's a reasonable assumption.
you're right, let's throw a freakin party.
the rover
Footballguy
he doesn't start. he gets less carries than the guy that does. that pretty much makes him a backup.
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
First....., Dynasty wise there is no question you hold onto him, your not going to get nearly the true value if you did try and move him so you might as well sit on him. More importantly....... this guy is going to be special anyways!
Also, Re-Draft wise I think he'll see the ball more IF the Jags start to lose some games, if there out of contention at some point I could totally see them unleashing MJD a little more to see if he really is their future w/out Fred. Fred's gone after this season unless he re-negotiates based of this way his contract is currently set-up.
I think he'll rebound after the BYE and we forget about all this non sense.
Also, Re-Draft wise I think he'll see the ball more IF the Jags start to lose some games, if there out of contention at some point I could totally see them unleashing MJD a little more to see if he really is their future w/out Fred. Fred's gone after this season unless he re-negotiates based of this way his contract is currently set-up.
I think he'll rebound after the BYE and we forget about all this non sense.
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Does it matter?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
:teeth:One trade completed. Redraft.DWard, DLee, JKasay -for- MJDrew and NFolk. Neither RB is starting for me. I improved at kicker while he had a TE issue.
switz
Footballguy
These are the offers I made:Buffalo Chargers offers Garcia, Jeff TBB QB;Morency, Vernand GBP RB;Ward, Derrick NYG RB;Wynn, DeShawn GBP RBComeback Kid for Young, Vince TEN QB;Henry, Chris TEN RB;Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB;Pittman, Michael TBB RBBuffalo Chargers offers Garcia, Jeff TBB QB;Ward, Derrick NYG RBComeback Kid for Young, Vince TEN QB;Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RBBuffalo Chargers offers Palmer, Carson CIN QB;Ward, Derrick NYG RB;Berrian, Bernard CHI WRComeback Kid for Manning, Peyton IND QB;Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB;Wayne, Reggie IND WRAll were rejected
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Not sure what's so funny there. Getting a top kicker is one of those little things that most owners scoff at. Points are points and if you can get them as mere throw ins then that's all the better...Wow.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Top kickers from last year (assuming 12 team league):1 PK Gould,Robbie CHI 16 32 4 89% 47 0 100% 143.0Not sure what's so funny there. Getting a top kicker is one of those little things that most owners scoff at. Points are points and if you can get them as mere throw ins then that's all the better...
2 PK Kaeding,Nate SD 16 26 3 90% 58 0 100% 136.0
3 PK Wilkins,Jeff STL 16 32 5 86% 35 0 100% 131.0
4 PK Stover,Matt BAL 16 28 2 93% 37 0 100% 121.0
5 PK Scobee,Josh JAX 16 26 6 81% 41 0 100% 119.0
6 PK Hanson,Jason DET 16 29 4 88% 30 0 100% 117.0
7 PK Nedney,Joe SF 16 29 6 83% 29 0 100% 116.0
8 PK Rackers,Neil ARI 16 28 9 76% 32 0 100% 116.0
9 PK Elam,Jason DEN 16 27 2 93% 34 0 100% 115.0
10 PK Carney,John NO 16 23 2 92% 46 1 98% 115.0
11 PK Graham,Shayne CIN 16 25 5 83% 40 2 95% 115.0
Now, tell me, who can exactly predict who's going to be the top kicker? Could you predict Gould/Kaeding/Wilkins last year? After week 3?
Also, the difference between the best starting kicker and the worst? 28 points. Less than 2 points per game. Getting a top kicker does very little, even if you're extremely clairvoyant.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Maybe you missed my point.I wanted MJD.Top kickers from last year (assuming 12 team league):1 PK Gould,Robbie CHI 16 32 4 89% 47 0 100% 143.0Not sure what's so funny there. Getting a top kicker is one of those little things that most owners scoff at. Points are points and if you can get them as mere throw ins then that's all the better...Wow.
2 PK Kaeding,Nate SD 16 26 3 90% 58 0 100% 136.0
3 PK Wilkins,Jeff STL 16 32 5 86% 35 0 100% 131.0
4 PK Stover,Matt BAL 16 28 2 93% 37 0 100% 121.0
5 PK Scobee,Josh JAX 16 26 6 81% 41 0 100% 119.0
6 PK Hanson,Jason DET 16 29 4 88% 30 0 100% 117.0
7 PK Nedney,Joe SF 16 29 6 83% 29 0 100% 116.0
8 PK Rackers,Neil ARI 16 28 9 76% 32 0 100% 116.0
9 PK Elam,Jason DEN 16 27 2 93% 34 0 100% 115.0
10 PK Carney,John NO 16 23 2 92% 46 1 98% 115.0
11 PK Graham,Shayne CIN 16 25 5 83% 40 2 95% 115.0
Now, tell me, who can exactly predict who's going to be the top kicker? Could you predict Gould/Kaeding/Wilkins last year? After week 3?
Also, the difference between the best starting kicker and the worst? 28 points. Less than 2 points per game. Getting a top kicker does very little, even if you're extremely clairvoyant.
I was willing to give up Ward to acquire him.
But the stats said I could get a little more (however little) and so I did. I gained 2 a points game at kicker.
I also think the Cowboys will continue to score alot and thus have less chances at getting below average days.
My team now scores more from the starting line up and I have a better reserve RB in my estimation. Win-win.
I did lose a little at my back up TE... but its a freakin' back up TE. I just picked him up in free agency and will grab another.
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