** Monday Night Football - Falcons at Eagles **(-5.5, 45.5) 8:15 (3 Viewers)

[Dizzy]

No. I saw him remove it with both hands..

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Still believe that?

YES. It's pretty clear there. His helmet bobbled, but CLEARLY he pulled it off.

Thank you for that.

Yes, and that is legal if it's slipping like this, to remove it. Learn the rules.

Thank you for your midnight green spin on what I saw with my own eyes.

 

[JohnnyU]

I know it's silly, but I was pulling for the Falcons simply because of the push tush play.

 

[travdogg]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring to be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

ETA: Same idea exists if you run on both 3rd and 4th down.

This, right here. They should’ve run it and not passed it. Then run it again on 4th down. Either you score or pin ATL deep in their own territory, with less than :30 on the clock, up by 3.

There never would have been less than :30 on the clock. It would have been at least 1:00, the clock would have stopped on the change of possession if they hadn't gotten it on 4th.

 

[Insein]

saints are gonna kill the eagles

No we'll probably be winning going into the 4th and find a way to **** it up. Much more aggravating that way.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring to be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

ETA: Same idea exists if you run on both 3rd and 4th down.

This, right here. They should’ve run it and not passed it. Then run it again on 4th down. Either you score or pin ATL deep in their own territory, with less than :30 on the clock, up by 3.

There never would have been less than :30 on the clock. It would have been at least 1:00, the clock would have stopped on the change of possession if they hadn't gotten it on 4th.

D’oh- yeah, I see your point. Was forgetting about the clock stoppage on change of possession.

I don’t mind the pass, honestly. Saquon should’ve caught it. Deaomn’s point about calling that agains a stacked box is a good one. I still think they should’ve run it twice and milked the clock down to 1:00, maybe get the 1st and ice the game. But it’s all hindsight.

The real issue, and this is all night long- the Defense was soft as double-quilted Charmin. 1 sack?!?! Against Kirk Cousins who was playing with his legs on the sideline? This team is cooked with this loss. And the next 2 weeks are gonna be even worse.

Can’t stop the run and can’t get any pressure.

 

[Deamon]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

Ok my point was that they’re better off just running it with Barkley there. But I didn’t realize box was stacked. If that’s the case, I can see your point.

Pause this RIGHT before it hits 3 seconds. Barkley is going to be stuffed, and that play probably takes less time than the roll out and incompletion. So you likely get 1:01 for Atlanta to drive that field and score, and it took them 1:00.

You keep harping on this, but I will say it again: play calls on both offense and defense will be different when a team has over a minute and half and no timeouts vs less than a minute and no timeouts. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand football, and there is nothing I or anyone can say to make you believe it.

And you're assuming that the playcalling would be worse or the defense would be better. They marched down the field in 1 minute and scored a TD and you're acting like they wouldn't have if there was 1 min vs 1 min 30 on the clock.

Our defense was horrendous. Atlanta was going to score there if they got the ball back. The coach made a great call to make sure they didn't get the ball back and it was perfect except for the most unlikely drop. If Barkley catches that, you know damn well that every analyst out there would be saying what a great call it was to catch Atl off guard and win the game and not let your opponent have the ball back.

 

[Deamon]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring to be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

ETA: Same idea exists if you run on both 3rd and 4th down.

This, right here. They should’ve run it and not passed it. Then run it again on 4th down. Either you score or pin ATL deep in their own territory, with less than :30 on the clock, up by 3.

There never would have been less than :30 on the clock. It would have been at least 1:00, the clock would have stopped on the change of possession if they hadn't gotten it on 4th.

D’oh- yeah, I see your point. Was forgetting about the clock stoppage on change of possession.

I don’t mind the pass, honestly. Saquon should’ve caught it. Deaomn’s point about calling that agains a stacked box is a good one. I still think they should’ve run it twice and milked the clock down to 1:00, maybe get the 1st and ice the game. But it’s all hindsight.

The real issue, and this is all night long- the Defense was soft as double-quilted Charmin. 1 sack?!?! Against Kirk Cousins who was playing with his legs on the sideline? This team is cooked with this loss. And the next 2 weeks are gonna be even worse.

Can’t stop the run and can’t get any pressure.

people saying they might have gotten 3 yards on the 3rd down run need to watch the replay of the play, Barkley was going to be stuffed there. People's inability to judge a decision instead of a result is just crazy. Just like Dan Campbell's fake punt from his own 5 yard line yesterday was praised when it worked, but if that guy drops the pass, you know damn well that it would go down as one of the dumbest coaching decisions of the year.

The more I think about it, I agree with travdogg that running it TWICE might not have been a bad idea as being up 3 might have actually been better than being up 6, and we would have been headed to OT. But based on the look they got there, running it on 3rd then kicking the fg, like every hindsight fan in here is trying to argue for, would not have been any better.

 

[Todem]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring to be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

ETA: Same idea exists if you run on both 3rd and 4th down.

This, right here. They should’ve run it and not passed it. Then run it again on 4th down. Either you score or pin ATL deep in their own territory, with less than :30 on the clock, up by 3.

There never would have been less than :30 on the clock. It would have been at least 1:00, the clock would have stopped on the change of possession if they hadn't gotten it on 4th.

D’oh- yeah, I see your point. Was forgetting about the clock stoppage on change of possession.

I don’t mind the pass, honestly. Saquon should’ve caught it. Deaomn’s point about calling that agains a stacked box is a good one. I still think they should’ve run it twice and milked the clock down to 1:00, maybe get the 1st and ice the game. But it’s all hindsight.

The real issue, and this is all night long- the Defense was soft as double-quilted Charmin. 1 sack?!?! Against Kirk Cousins who was playing with his legs on the sideline? This team is cooked with this loss. And the next 2 weeks are gonna be even worse.

Can’t stop the run and can’t get any pressure.

Yeah their defense looked really soft. That is a big issue.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Why did Siriani and the coaching staff decide to throw the ball when they had a RB avg 9 yds a clip?
In't the loss directly Siriani's fault?

 

[ghostguy123]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring to be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

ETA: Same idea exists if you run on both 3rd and 4th down.

This, right here. They should’ve run it and not passed it. Then run it again on 4th down. Either you score or pin ATL deep in their own territory, with less than :30 on the clock, up by 3.

There never would have been less than :30 on the clock. It would have been at least 1:00, the clock would have stopped on the change of possession if they hadn't gotten it on 4th.

That minute wouldn't have been enough time for them to score the TD.

Ugh, I don't know why coaches need to try and get so cute. Run the ball, or bootleg with Hurts. If you don't get it whatever, then they don't get the ball till right around 1 minute with no timeouts needing a TD.
Or maybe you run for a 1st, or get close and tush push for a win.

Honestly I think they were in good 4 down territory. If ATL got the ball back I bet they'd be thinking FG and not TD......or obviously the game is over with a 1st down.

Give me the best chance to win which IMO in that situation was a run play with Barkley or Hurts.

Not to mention the added spark of life you gave ATL by botching the play

 

[Deamon]

Why did Siriani and the coaching staff decide to throw the ball when they had a RB avg 9 yds a clip?
In't the loss directly Siriani's fault?

Because the entire defense was in the box and if you see the replay, he was likely going to be stuffed at the LOS, if not a loss.

And because he caught them off guard, didn't want to give them the ball back, and called the perfect play to end the game right then and there.

 

[Deamon]

That minute wouldn't have been enough time for them to score the TD.

Ugh, I don't know why coaches need to try and get so cute. Run the ball, or bootleg with Hurts. If you don't get it whatever, then they don't get the ball till right around 1 minute with no timeouts needing a TD.
Or maybe you run for a 1st, or get close and tush push for a win.

Honestly I think they were in good 4 down territory. If ATL got the ball back I bet they'd be thinking FG and not TD......or obviously the game is over with a 1st down.

Give me the best chance to win which IMO in that situation was a run play with Barkley or Hurts.

Not to mention the added spark of life you gave ATL by botching the play

They marched down the field fairly easily in 1:01 and scored a TD. Of course it would have been long enough.

You and I both know that SB catches that almost every time, and if he had, you can almost hear Buck and Aikman's words now: "great call to catch them off guard when everyone was thinking run. He trusted his offense and kept the ball in their hands instead of trusting the defense that looked really suspect. A great call by Sirianni there and a big win for the Eagles"

 

[Grahamburn]

Why did Siriani and the coaching staff decide to throw the ball when they had a RB avg 9 yds a clip?
In't the loss directly Siriani's fault?

Because the entire defense was in the box and if you see the replay, he was likely going to be stuffed at the LOS, if not a loss.

And because he caught them off guard, didn't want to give them the ball back, and called the perfect play to end the game right then and there.

It's almost like nobody saw the Falcons' run that 4th and 1 play right up the gut that got smashed into a million pieces for a loss?

That play call was brilliant. Barkley makes what, $9M a year? Catch the damn ball.

 

[ghostguy123]

That minute wouldn't have been enough time for them to score the TD.

Ugh, I don't know why coaches need to try and get so cute. Run the ball, or bootleg with Hurts. If you don't get it whatever, then they don't get the ball till right around 1 minute with no timeouts needing a TD.
Or maybe you run for a 1st, or get close and tush push for a win.

Honestly I think they were in good 4 down territory. If ATL got the ball back I bet they'd be thinking FG and not TD......or obviously the game is over with a 1st down.

Give me the best chance to win which IMO in that situation was a run play with Barkley or Hurts.

Not to mention the added spark of life you gave ATL by botching the play

They marched down the field fairly easily in 1:01 and scored a TD. Of course it would have been long enough.

You and I both know that SB catches that almost every time, and if he had, you can almost hear Buck and Aikman's words now: "great call to catch them off guard when everyone was thinking run. He trusted his offense and kept the ball in their hands instead of trusting the defense that looked really suspect. A great call by Sirianni there and a big win for the Eagles"

Well sure every decision LOOKS good when it works.
It wasn't the right decision man. Too much wrong can happen. Strip sack, incomplete, INT.

The decision was pass. Bad decision. Yeah the play ended up being a good play call for that defense.......but when making a decision you have to actually factor in the possibility of not executing properly.

Now instead of a minute left and a deflated ATL, you gave them extra hope and an adrenaline rush.

Or maybe ya just get the first down on the run.

I'll stand by it, I hated the decision as soon as I realized it was a pass.

 

[ghostguy123]

Why did Siriani and the coaching staff decide to throw the ball when they had a RB avg 9 yds a clip?
In't the loss directly Siriani's fault?

Because the entire defense was in the box and if you see the replay, he was likely going to be stuffed at the LOS, if not a loss.

And because he caught them off guard, didn't want to give them the ball back, and called the perfect play to end the game right then and there.

It's almost like nobody saw the Falcons' run that 4th and 1 play right up the gut that got smashed into a million pieces for a loss?

That play call was brilliant. Barkley makes what, $9M a year? Catch the damn ball.

When you run, you don't HAVE to run straight up the middle into a stacked box. End around, bootleg, sweep..........just don't run out of bounds unless you have the 1st.

Yes the play call was a great call.......however the decision to pass was not regardless of what transpired after

 

[Deamon]

Well sure every decision LOOKS good when it works.
And more importantly, every decision LOOKS bad when it doesn't work.

It wasn't the right decision man. Too much wrong can happen. Strip sack, incomplete, INT.
Don't think he throws it there if SB is covered. Strip sack is probably as likely as a SB fumble on a run there.

The decision was pass. Bad decision. Yeah the play ended up being a good play call for that defense.......but when making a decision you have to actually factor in the possibility of not executing properly.
If you watch the play a few times, you can see that the decision was 'pass if SB is open, run it if not'. If it wasn't executed properly, I'm extremely confident that Jalen was told to run the ball and try to pick up the first. But he saw a WIDE open Barkley and put it right on the money to end the game.

Now instead of a minute left and a deflated ATL, you gave them extra hope and an adrenaline rush.
I don't know about 'deflated'. Either way they're kicking the FG, a commercial break happens, a kickoff happens, and Kirk marches on the field with either 1:00 or 1:40 to score. It took them 1:01 to score and they were in no rush at the very end there.

Or maybe ya just get the first down on the run.
Look at the replay and pause it, it was extremely unlikely they got the first down.

I'll stand by it, I hated the decision as soon as I realized it was a pass.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Did the FG that Siriani passed on early in the game cost them a win last night?
Where as the Falcons taking every opportunity to put points on the board
Final Score 22-21, every point matters

 

[Ghost Rider]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

Ok my point was that they’re better off just running it with Barkley there. But I didn’t realize box was stacked. If that’s the case, I can see your point.

Pause this RIGHT before it hits 3 seconds. Barkley is going to be stuffed, and that play probably takes less time than the roll out and incompletion. So you likely get 1:01 for Atlanta to drive that field and score, and it took them 1:00.

You keep harping on this, but I will say it again: play calls on both offense and defense will be different when a team has over a minute and half and no timeouts vs less than a minute and no timeouts. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand football, and there is nothing I or anyone can say to make you believe it.

And you're assuming that the playcalling would be worse or the defense would be better. They marched down the field in 1 minute and scored a TD and you're acting like they wouldn't have if there was 1 min vs 1 min 30 on the clock.

Our defense was horrendous. Atlanta was going to score there if they got the ball back. The coach made a great call to make sure they didn't get the ball back and it was perfect except for the most unlikely drop. If Barkley catches that, you know damn well that every analyst out there would be saying what a great call it was to catch Atl off guard and win the game and not let your opponent have the ball back.

I didn't say the playcalling would be worse or that the defense would be better; I said it would be different, which it would as anyone who knows football understands, and we have no way of knowing how it plays out in that scenario.

And it's easy to say, "Atlanta was going to score there if they got the ball back," after it happens, but the Eagles had only allowed 15 points before that last drive, so it was not a given.

But I get it, your team gagged away what looked like a sure win, so you are sore.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

saints are gonna kill the eagles

Everybody hopes so

 

[Rubi]

Did the FG that Siriani passed on early in the game cost them a win last night?
Where as the Falcons taking every opportunity to put points on the board
Final Score 22-21, every point matters

There's a fine line between aggressive and stupid

 

[need2know]

Did the FG that Siriani passed on early in the game cost them a win last night?
Where as the Falcons taking every opportunity to put points on the board
Final Score 22-21, every point matters

There's a fine line between aggressive and stupid

that was beyond dumb. take the damn points

 

[Ministry of Pain]

No AJBrown, the Eagles offense looked limited and Smith did not seem to have the same explosiveness as AJB
It definitely made the Eagles offense look different vs when he is on the field