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Moreno possibly injured again? (1 Viewer)

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Saw this blurb on my player news on CBS:

News: RB Knowshon Moreno was seen grabbing his right hamstring just above the knee and talking to the team's head trainer at the end of the open media period at practice Wednesday. Hours earlier, head coach Josh McDaniels talked about an expanded role for Moreno starting this week. It's too early to speculate on the Broncos' rusher at this point, but his hamstring problems have been well documented this season. The Broncos play the 49ers in London on Sunday.

More info:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010...amstring-injury

http://twitter.com/CBSSportsNFLDEN

 
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If this is true then this pure BS and McDaniels needs to go. How many times can they rush him back? I can't afford to lose him again. The 3 weeks I have started him he has been great.

 
50ydfieldgoal said:
If this is true then this pure BS and McDaniels needs to go. How many times can they rush him back? I can't afford to lose him again. The 3 weeks I have started him he has been great.
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Of all of the things people second guess McD over, this is the one that it's worth firing him over?
 
RushHour said:
It must be incredibly frustrating to actually own this guy. So glad I don't.
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Its been ridiculous... For one, the guy hasn't suffered a single injury in games he has played in... They have all happened in practice?!?! The worst part is, you would normally just write him off however when he has played he has been excellent, so it is hard to simply give up on him... He gets healthy but is limited because he is not in game shape, just when he is getting into game shape he pulls another hammy so you never really get to see what he is when he is the fulltime back for a few games. Just when you think your patience is going to be paid off, Lucy pulls the football away again as you try to kick it.
 
IF this is true...... I hate to say it, but they might as well just rest him this week. Long trip to London :lmao: , against Patrick Willis :boxing: . Give him this week off and they have a BYE the following week...

And I'd be willing to bet there are a few people here (like myself), holding onto him for the hopefully good matchups in weeks 14 and 15. If he played the Jets, Giants or Minnesota those weeks, he'd be off my team for sure.

Curious where did most of those that own him draft him??

I took him at 5.01 in a RB heavy league, behind Chris Johnson and Grant.

**I'm still cursing that Ryan Grant injury**

 
From the Twitter link above:

"RB Knowshon Moreno did not appear on the team's official injury report, meaning he went through a full practice."

If that's the case, if they rest him now, and all is well, he can play Sunday. Right? Right???

As a side issue, the SI link discusses possible dicontent with the practices and the teaching coming from Team McDaniel. Is McDaniels pushing them (including Moreno) in practice too much, or pushing them the wrong way, is that part of the problem here?

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
From the Twitter link above:"RB Knowshon Moreno did not appear on the team's official injury report, meaning he went through a full practice."If that's the case, if they rest him now, and all is well, he can play Sunday. Right? Right???As a side issue, the SI link discusses possible dicontent with the practices and the teaching coming from Team McDaniel. Is McDaniels pushing them (including Moreno) in practice too much, or pushing them the wrong way, is that part of the problem here?
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Over the past few days there has been rumors on talk radio about players complaining about McDaniels over working them in practice.
 
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Sorry guys, I traded for him yesterday. The only reason this is likely minor is because I was planning on playing Torain over him.

 
Wally Cleaver said:
RushHour said:
It must be incredibly frustrating to actually own this guy. So glad I don't.
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Its been ridiculous... For one, the guy hasn't suffered a single injury in games he has played in... They have all happened in practice?!?!

The worst part is, you would normally just write him off however when he has played he has been excellent, so it is hard to simply give up on him... He gets healthy but is limited because he is not in game shape, just when he is getting into game shape he pulls another hammy so you never really get to see what he is when he is the fulltime back for a few games. Just when you think your patience is going to be paid off, Lucy pulls the football away again as you try to kick it.
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You and me must have very different definitions of "excellent". Moreno is averaging 3.3 yards per carry, I don't care how bad your O-line is, that is terrible.

 
Yeah...he has been pretty pedistrian so far this year, when you take into account that Oak was ahead by 30 + points for most of the game and that they have a pair of shutdown corners, it makes sense that he scored all of those points last week. I am sure next week will be back to normal with him sucking.

 
emge said:
RB Knowshon Moreno did not appear on the team's official injury report, meaning he went through a full practice despite an apparent hamstring issue. S Brian Dawkins (knee) and CB Andre Goodman (quad) also were full participants. Broncos RapidReports

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14199561
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I don't know, seems like he must have had the hamstring issue early on in practice. Says he made it thru a full practice despite the hamstring issue. Sit him out the rest of the week if they need to, I need him to play.

 
Glaven said:
Wally Cleaver said:
RushHour said:
It must be incredibly frustrating to actually own this guy. So glad I don't.
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Its been ridiculous... For one, the guy hasn't suffered a single injury in games he has played in... They have all happened in practice?!?!

The worst part is, you would normally just write him off however when he has played he has been excellent, so it is hard to simply give up on him... He gets healthy but is limited because he is not in game shape, just when he is getting into game shape he pulls another hammy so you never really get to see what he is when he is the fulltime back for a few games. Just when you think your patience is going to be paid off, Lucy pulls the football away again as you try to kick it.
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You and me must have very different definitions of "excellent". Moreno is averaging 3.3 yards per carry, I don't care how bad your O-line is, that is terrible.
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yeah, the yards aren't there, but the td's sure are.
 
beef said:
Glaven said:
Wally Cleaver said:
RushHour said:
It must be incredibly frustrating to actually own this guy. So glad I don't.
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Its been ridiculous... For one, the guy hasn't suffered a single injury in games he has played in... They have all happened in practice?!?!

The worst part is, you would normally just write him off however when he has played he has been excellent, so it is hard to simply give up on him... He gets healthy but is limited because he is not in game shape, just when he is getting into game shape he pulls another hammy so you never really get to see what he is when he is the fulltime back for a few games. Just when you think your patience is going to be paid off, Lucy pulls the football away again as you try to kick it.
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You and me must have very different definitions of "excellent". Moreno is averaging 3.3 yards per carry, I don't care how bad your O-line is, that is terrible.
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yeah, the yards aren't there, but the td's sure are.
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In games where he played and wasn't limited at all, he has averaged over 16 fantasy points per game... With so many early round runningback picks disappointing I would call that output excellent, so yes our definitions differ.My league doesn't minus points for poor yards per carry.

 
Wally Cleaver said:
beef said:
Glaven said:
Wally Cleaver said:
RushHour said:
It must be incredibly frustrating to actually own this guy. So glad I don't.
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Its been ridiculous... For one, the guy hasn't suffered a single injury in games he has played in... They have all happened in practice?!?!

The worst part is, you would normally just write him off however when he has played he has been excellent, so it is hard to simply give up on him... He gets healthy but is limited because he is not in game shape, just when he is getting into game shape he pulls another hammy so you never really get to see what he is when he is the fulltime back for a few games. Just when you think your patience is going to be paid off, Lucy pulls the football away again as you try to kick it.
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You and me must have very different definitions of "excellent". Moreno is averaging 3.3 yards per carry, I don't care how bad your O-line is, that is terrible.
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yeah, the yards aren't there, but the td's sure are.
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In games where he played and wasn't limited at all, he has averaged over 16 fantasy points per game... With so many early round runningback picks disappointing I would call that output excellent, so yes our definitions differ.My league doesn't minus points for poor yards per carry.
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The poor yards per carry suggests that his fantasy value is a mirage and not going to last long term. He could still be OK in redraft leagues, but in dynasty leagues I'd avoid at all costs. Even in redrafts, I wouldn't feel comfortable having him on my team, would try and trade him for someone with talent.
 
The poor yards per carry suggests that his fantasy value is a mirage and not going to last long term. He could still be OK in redraft leagues, but in dynasty leagues I'd avoid at all costs. Even in redrafts, I wouldn't feel comfortable having him on my team, would try and trade him for someone with talent.

If he is healthy, and right now that seems to be a big if, but if he is healthy he is a 3 down back on an above average offense that has a very very easy schedule the rest of the way. I would argue that he is quite valuble and worth worrying about. We can argue all night about his talent level, but his situation is excellent, and his production has been very good when healthy.

 
Wally Cleaver said:
If he is healthy, and right now that seems to be a big if, but if he is healthy he is a 3 down back on an above average offense that has a very very easy schedule the rest of the way. I would argue that he is quite valuble and worth worrying about. We can argue all night about his talent level, but his situation is excellent, and his production has been very good when healthy.
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I agree. I'd give ten Ryan Mathews for one Moreno.
 
Both Moreno and Ahmad Bradshaw are averaging around 14 PPG in standard scoring.

If you can understand why Bradshaw is by far the guy you'd rather have going forward, then you probably grasp the point the Moreno doubters are making in this thread.

 
davearm said:
Both Moreno and Ahmad Bradshaw are averaging around 14 PPG in standard scoring.If you can understand why Bradshaw is by far the guy you'd rather have going forward, then you probably grasp the point the Moreno doubters are making in this thread.
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Yes, the point is pretty easy to understand, anybody can look at his ypc and say, "Look, he isnt very good!!!" and that his low yards per carry are indicative of the fact that he will likely stop getting two touchdowns per game. This is a very very shallow and weak observation in my opinion. If you look a little deeper at his stats, his production, and his situation there are other factors that could indicate that his ypc is not necessarily indicitive of what you should expect for the rest of the year if healthy..Lets look at his games played...Week 1, coming off a long layoff with no carries in any preseason games and was clearly winded after almost every single carry as he was not practicing prior to week 1 thus trying to get his legs under him, he was asking out of the game often. Still produced a decent fantasy week.Week 2, much the same as week 1, didnt seem to have his legs and looked winded often which could easily be explained by him not practicing for over a month. Still had 17 fantasy points.Week 3 through 5 he got injured prior to them in practice. These weeks proved he is clearly the best back on the roster and has absolutely no competition for carries if healthy.Week 6, a throw out as he was just coming back and was not ready for a full load.Week 7, still looked slightly rusty and his team fell behind by 28 in the blink of an eye which should indicate a disasterous day for a running back however he still produced a very nice game.His upcoming schedule is very easy and once again he should see all the work if healthy on a very good offense, those simply looking at his ypc aren't seeing the whole picture in my opinion. He has quite a bit of excuses for not having a higher ypc and dismissing him simply based on that at this point is a mistake in my opinion.If he is hurt again, well then forget you read this.
 
Wally Cleaver said:
davearm said:
Both Moreno and Ahmad Bradshaw are averaging around 14 PPG in standard scoring.If you can understand why Bradshaw is by far the guy you'd rather have going forward, then you probably grasp the point the Moreno doubters are making in this thread.
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Yes, the point is pretty easy to understand, anybody can look at his ypc and say, "Look, he isnt very good!!!" and that his low yards per carry are indicative of the fact that he will likely stop getting two touchdowns per game. This is a very very shallow and weak observation in my opinion. If you look a little deeper at his stats, his production, and his situation there are other factors that could indicate that his ypc is not necessarily indicitive of what you should expect for the rest of the year if healthy..Lets look at his games played...Week 1, coming off a long layoff with no carries in any preseason games and was clearly winded after almost every single carry as he was not practicing prior to week 1 thus trying to get his legs under him, he was asking out of the game often. Still produced a decent fantasy week.Week 2, much the same as week 1, didnt seem to have his legs and looked winded often which could easily be explained by him not practicing for over a month. Still had 17 fantasy points.Week 3 through 5 he got injured prior to them in practice. These weeks proved he is clearly the best back on the roster and has absolutely no competition for carries if healthy.Week 6, a throw out as he was just coming back and was not ready for a full load.Week 7, still looked slightly rusty and his team fell behind by 28 in the blink of an eye which should indicate a disasterous day for a running back however he still produced a very nice game.His upcoming schedule is very easy and once again he should see all the work if healthy on a very good offense, those simply looking at his ypc aren't seeing the whole picture in my opinion. He has quite a bit of excuses for not having a higher ypc and dismissing him simply based on that at this point is a mistake in my opinion.If he is hurt again, well then forget you read this.
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No offense but to suggest that YPC is a "very weak and shallow observation" and then offer that Moreno's production is a result of lack of playing time and recovery from injury isn't exactly hard core analysis. You can say that an inability to really assess what Moreno can do is complicating the issue but I suggest that it IS the issue. So far he has been the prototypical Ferrari that is constantly in the shop for repairs...
 
Ditka is God said:
So, the long and short of it - regarding reinjuring his hammy - is that this is all just speculation, correct?
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He made it through a full practice...so I tend to think he is as healthy as he could be at that time.Being that he has had hammy issues since the pre-season even a simple grab at it to massage out a cramp or something would likely have reporters overreacting a bit.I mean, in truth, we will only know for sure come Sunday.
 
JD8p said:
Ditka is God said:
So, the long and short of it - regarding reinjuring his hammy - is that this is all just speculation, correct?
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He made it through a full practice...so I tend to think he is as healthy as he could be at that time.Being that he has had hammy issues since the pre-season even a simple grab at it to massage out a cramp or something would likely have reporters overreacting a bit.I mean, in truth, we will only know for sure come Sunday.
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Thanks. I couldn't find anything about this anywhere else.
 
Here is the latest from the Denver Post...

Injury report.

Near the end of practice Wednesday, Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno grabbed his right hamstring and consulted with trainer Steve Antonopulos. Moreno missed three games because of a strained right hamstring, but he has performed well in the two games since he returned.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16451919

So you may not have to wait until Sunday to know...based upon whether or not he is out there today, you will have a much better idea I would imagine.

Who really knows at this point whether it is overreaction or not.

 
JD8p said:
Here is the latest from the Denver Post...

Injury report.

Near the end of practice Wednesday, Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno grabbed his right hamstring and consulted with trainer Steve Antonopulos. Moreno missed three games because of a strained right hamstring, but he has performed well in the two games since he returned.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16451919

So you may not have to wait until Sunday to know...based upon whether or not he is out there today, you will have a much better idea I would imagine.

Who really knows at this point whether it is overreaction or not.
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Ugh. Saw it on Rotowire as well. Props to the original poster. Even if it's much ado about nothing it's good to know there might be an issue.Knowshon Moreno-RB-Broncos Oct. 28 - 9:31 am et

Knowshon Moreno pulled up lame and grabbed his right hamstring near the end of practice Wednesday.

It's the same hamstring that kept him out of three games earlier this season. At this point all we know is that he consulted with trainer Steve Antonopulos after the injury. It's unclear if his status for Week 8 will be affected, but keep a close eye on this one.

Source: Denver Post

 
Ditka is God said:
JD8p said:
Here is the latest from the Denver Post...

Injury report.

Near the end of practice Wednesday, Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno grabbed his right hamstring and consulted with trainer Steve Antonopulos. Moreno missed three games because of a strained right hamstring, but he has performed well in the two games since he returned.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16451919

So you may not have to wait until Sunday to know...based upon whether or not he is out there today, you will have a much better idea I would imagine.

Who really knows at this point whether it is overreaction or not.
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Ugh. Saw it on Rotowire as well. Props to the original poster. Even if it's much ado about nothing it's good to know there might be an issue.Knowshon Moreno-RB-Broncos Oct. 28 - 9:31 am et

Knowshon Moreno pulled up lame and grabbed his right hamstring near the end of practice Wednesday.

It's the same hamstring that kept him out of three games earlier this season. At this point all we know is that he consulted with trainer Steve Antonopulos after the injury. It's unclear if his status for Week 8 will be affected, but keep a close eye on this one.

Source: Denver Post
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I want this guy during the playoffs but scared to pull the trigger to get him.
 
Well, if he is in fact re-injured again, what is the price?

Most owners that have him will not sell at a discount because of the playoff schedule...and most owners that want him will not pay anything more than a discounted price - at least from what I have seen in my leagues.

I will be curious to see if he is out there today.

 
JD8p said:
Well, if he is in fact re-injured again, what is the price?Most owners that have him will not sell at a discount because of the playoff schedule...and most owners that want him will not pay anything more than a discounted price - at least from what I have seen in my leagues.I will be curious to see if he is out there today.
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Broncos are flying to London today.
 
Mile High said:
JD8p said:
Well, if he is in fact re-injured again, what is the price?Most owners that have him will not sell at a discount because of the playoff schedule...and most owners that want him will not pay anything more than a discounted price - at least from what I have seen in my leagues.I will be curious to see if he is out there today.
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Broncos are flying to London today.
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Well that's the first good sign...he will be on the plane.
 
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