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Moreno possibly injured again? (1 Viewer)

JD8p said:
Mile High said:
JD8p said:
Well, if he is in fact re-injured again, what is the price?Most owners that have him will not sell at a discount because of the playoff schedule...and most owners that want him will not pay anything more than a discounted price - at least from what I have seen in my leagues.I will be curious to see if he is out there today.
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Broncos are flying to London today.
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Well that's the first good sign...he will be on the plane.
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Yeah. He wasn't listed among the players not making the trip.
 
As a local here in Denver I am constantly hearing about this idiot being out @ the clubs all throughout the week going nuts. If he spent half as much time stretching his hammy as he does parading around town in his tacky-jive turkey mobile he might be able to stay on the field for more than one game at a time..

 
Wally Cleaver said:
davearm said:
Both Moreno and Ahmad Bradshaw are averaging around 14 PPG in standard scoring.If you can understand why Bradshaw is by far the guy you'd rather have going forward, then you probably grasp the point the Moreno doubters are making in this thread.
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Yes, the point is pretty easy to understand, anybody can look at his ypc and say, "Look, he isnt very good!!!" and that his low yards per carry are indicative of the fact that he will likely stop getting two touchdowns per game. This is a very very shallow and weak observation in my opinion. If you look a little deeper at his stats, his production, and his situation there are other factors that could indicate that his ypc is not necessarily indicitive of what you should expect for the rest of the year if healthy..
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Who said I was looking solely at Moreno's YPC? I really wasn't looking at his YPC at all (although it is another piece of evidence).What I'm looking at is how Moreno's points have been generated.As I mentioned, both Bradshaw and Moreno have averaged around 14 ppg.Bradshaw's points break down as follows:71% from rushing yards18% from rushing TDs11% from receiving yards0% from receiving TDsMoreno's break down as follows:38% from rushing yards21% from rushing TDs19% from receiving yards21% from receiving TDsAcross all NFL RB's, the breakdown is:55% from rushing yards21% from rushing TDs20% from receiving yards5% from receiving TDsNow if we were to use rushing yards to normalize Moreno's stats to the league averages, his PPG falls to 9.7. Perform the same exercise with Bradshaw's numbers, and his PPG jumps to 18.5.The basic story is that yards, and particularly rushing yards, are RBs' "bread and butter" and the best barometer of future production. TDs are too random and unpredictable to be a reliable predictor of future production.In Moreno's case, his yards just don't support the current level of production, indicating that the 14 PPG we see for him now is not likely to be sustained.
 
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davearm said:
Wally Cleaver said:
davearm said:
Both Moreno and Ahmad Bradshaw are averaging around 14 PPG in standard scoring.If you can understand why Bradshaw is by far the guy you'd rather have going forward, then you probably grasp the point the Moreno doubters are making in this thread.
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Yes, the point is pretty easy to understand, anybody can look at his ypc and say, "Look, he isnt very good!!!" and that his low yards per carry are indicative of the fact that he will likely stop getting two touchdowns per game. This is a very very shallow and weak observation in my opinion. If you look a little deeper at his stats, his production, and his situation there are other factors that could indicate that his ypc is not necessarily indicitive of what you should expect for the rest of the year if healthy..
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Who said I was looking solely at Moreno's YPC? I really wasn't looking at his YPC at all (although it is another piece of evidence).What I'm looking at is how Moreno's points have been generated.As I mentioned, both Bradshaw and Moreno have averaged around 14 ppg.Bradshaw's points break down as follows:71% from rushing yards18% from rushing TDs11% from receiving yards0% from receiving TDsMoreno's break down as follows:38% from rushing yards21% from rushing TDs19% from receiving yards21% from receiving TDsAcross all NFL RB's, the breakdown is:55% from rushing yards21% from rushing TDs20% from receiving yards5% from receiving TDsNow if we were to use rushing yards to normalize Moreno's stats to the league averages, his PPG falls to 9.7. Perform the same exercise with Bradshaw's numbers, and his PPG jumps to 18.5.The basic story is that yards, and particularly rushing yards, are RBs' "bread and butter" and the best barometer of future production. TDs are too random and unpredictable to be a reliable predictor of future production.In Moreno's case, his yards just don't support the current level of production, indicating that the 14 PPG we see for him now is not likely to be sustained.
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A healthy Moreno will get more rushing attempts than he's gotten so far. Will he be healthy? Time will tell. He was injured in the preseason, was being eased back in when he got hurt again. His first game back, he ran well against the Jets and then had his role changed when the Raiders blew them out.He's made up for his lack of rushing yards so far with a few receiving TDs, but in the long run, his production will be there.
 
kneeunthaface said:
As a local here in Denver I am constantly hearing about this idiot being out @ the clubs all throughout the week going nuts. If he spent half as much time stretching his hammy as he does parading around town in his tacky-jive turkey mobile he might be able to stay on the field for more than one game at a time..
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This explains it all. There is a direct correlation between alcohol dehydration and hamstring pulls.
 
kneeunthaface said:
As a local here in Denver I am constantly hearing about this idiot being out @ the clubs all throughout the week going nuts. If he spent half as much time stretching his hammy as he does parading around town in his tacky-jive turkey mobile he might be able to stay on the field for more than one game at a time..
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:excited: (Just the Jive Turkey Mobile of course!!!)
 
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The_U said:
kneeunthaface said:
As a local here in Denver I am constantly hearing about this idiot being out @ the clubs all throughout the week going nuts. If he spent half as much time stretching his hammy as he does parading around town in his tacky-jive turkey mobile he might be able to stay on the field for more than one game at a time..
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:( (Just the Jive Turkey Mobile of course!!!)
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Here is Moreno just outside of his vehicle (not pictured).
 
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McDaniels says Moreno 'fine'

Knowshon Moreno, RB DEN

News: Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said RB Knowshon Moreno would "hopefully" be back at practice Thursday after the second-year back was seen grabbing his troublesome right hamstring Wednesday. “He’ll be fine,” McDaniels said. Moreno, who missed three straight games with a hamstring earlier this season, scored two receiving touchdowns Week 7 against the Raiders, his second game back in the lineup.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playe...knowshon-moreno

 
davearm said:
Wally Cleaver said:
davearm said:
Both Moreno and Ahmad Bradshaw are averaging around 14 PPG in standard scoring.If you can understand why Bradshaw is by far the guy you'd rather have going forward, then you probably grasp the point the Moreno doubters are making in this thread.
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Yes, the point is pretty easy to understand, anybody can look at his ypc and say, "Look, he isnt very good!!!" and that his low yards per carry are indicative of the fact that he will likely stop getting two touchdowns per game. This is a very very shallow and weak observation in my opinion. If you look a little deeper at his stats, his production, and his situation there are other factors that could indicate that his ypc is not necessarily indicitive of what you should expect for the rest of the year if healthy..
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Who said I was looking solely at Moreno's YPC? I really wasn't looking at his YPC at all (although it is another piece of evidence).What I'm looking at is how Moreno's points have been generated.As I mentioned, both Bradshaw and Moreno have averaged around 14 ppg.Bradshaw's points break down as follows:71% from rushing yards18% from rushing TDs11% from receiving yards0% from receiving TDsMoreno's break down as follows:38% from rushing yards21% from rushing TDs19% from receiving yards21% from receiving TDsAcross all NFL RB's, the breakdown is:55% from rushing yards21% from rushing TDs20% from receiving yards5% from receiving TDsNow if we were to use rushing yards to normalize Moreno's stats to the league averages, his PPG falls to 9.7. Perform the same exercise with Bradshaw's numbers, and his PPG jumps to 18.5.The basic story is that yards, and particularly rushing yards, are RBs' "bread and butter" and the best barometer of future production. TDs are too random and unpredictable to be a reliable predictor of future production.In Moreno's case, his yards just don't support the current level of production, indicating that the 14 PPG we see for him now is not likely to be sustained.
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Prime example of how you can mis-use statistics to support any point you want to make. I can also assert that Moreno's balanced scoring categories makes him more valuable because even if you eliminate one scoring category he can make it up in another. Stop Bradshaw's rushing and he is useless.
 
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RudeDog said:
davearm said:
Wally Cleaver said:
davearm said:
Both Moreno and Ahmad Bradshaw are averaging around 14 PPG in standard scoring.If you can understand why Bradshaw is by far the guy you'd rather have going forward, then you probably grasp the point the Moreno doubters are making in this thread.
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Yes, the point is pretty easy to understand, anybody can look at his ypc and say, "Look, he isnt very good!!!" and that his low yards per carry are indicative of the fact that he will likely stop getting two touchdowns per game. This is a very very shallow and weak observation in my opinion. If you look a little deeper at his stats, his production, and his situation there are other factors that could indicate that his ypc is not necessarily indicitive of what you should expect for the rest of the year if healthy..
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Who said I was looking solely at Moreno's YPC? I really wasn't looking at his YPC at all (although it is another piece of evidence).What I'm looking at is how Moreno's points have been generated.As I mentioned, both Bradshaw and Moreno have averaged around 14 ppg.Bradshaw's points break down as follows:71% from rushing yards18% from rushing TDs11% from receiving yards0% from receiving TDsMoreno's break down as follows:38% from rushing yards21% from rushing TDs19% from receiving yards21% from receiving TDsAcross all NFL RB's, the breakdown is:55% from rushing yards21% from rushing TDs20% from receiving yards5% from receiving TDsNow if we were to use rushing yards to normalize Moreno's stats to the league averages, his PPG falls to 9.7. Perform the same exercise with Bradshaw's numbers, and his PPG jumps to 18.5.The basic story is that yards, and particularly rushing yards, are RBs' "bread and butter" and the best barometer of future production. TDs are too random and unpredictable to be a reliable predictor of future production.In Moreno's case, his yards just don't support the current level of production, indicating that the 14 PPG we see for him now is not likely to be sustained.
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Prime example of how you can mis-use statistics to support any point you want to make. I can also assert that Moreno's balanced scoring categories makes him more valuable because even if you eliminate one scoring category he can make it up in another. Stop Bradshaw's rushing and he is useless.
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You can make that assertion but I wouldn't recommend it because you'd make yourself look foolish. Stop Peyton Manning's passing and he's useless too.A RB that's garnered a disproportionate share of his fantasy points from receiving TDs is very likely headed for a downward correction as things revert to the mean. You can call it "mis-using statistics", I call it applying established statistical theory to a real-world situation.
 
habsfan said:
Wally Cleaver said:
davearm said:
Both Moreno and Ahmad Bradshaw are averaging around 14 PPG in standard scoring.If you can understand why Bradshaw is by far the guy you'd rather have going forward, then you probably grasp the point the Moreno doubters are making in this thread.
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Yes, the point is pretty easy to understand, anybody can look at his ypc and say, "Look, he isnt very good!!!" and that his low yards per carry are indicative of the fact that he will likely stop getting two touchdowns per game. This is a very very shallow and weak observation in my opinion. If you look a little deeper at his stats, his production, and his situation there are other factors that could indicate that his ypc is not necessarily indicitive of what you should expect for the rest of the year if healthy..Lets look at his games played...Week 1, coming off a long layoff with no carries in any preseason games and was clearly winded after almost every single carry as he was not practicing prior to week 1 thus trying to get his legs under him, he was asking out of the game often. Still produced a decent fantasy week.Week 2, much the same as week 1, didnt seem to have his legs and looked winded often which could easily be explained by him not practicing for over a month. Still had 17 fantasy points.Week 3 through 5 he got injured prior to them in practice. These weeks proved he is clearly the best back on the roster and has absolutely no competition for carries if healthy.Week 6, a throw out as he was just coming back and was not ready for a full load.Week 7, still looked slightly rusty and his team fell behind by 28 in the blink of an eye which should indicate a disasterous day for a running back however he still produced a very nice game.His upcoming schedule is very easy and once again he should see all the work if healthy on a very good offense, those simply looking at his ypc aren't seeing the whole picture in my opinion. He has quite a bit of excuses for not having a higher ypc and dismissing him simply based on that at this point is a mistake in my opinion.If he is hurt again, well then forget you read this.
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No offense but to suggest that YPC is a "very weak and shallow observation" and then offer that Moreno's production is a result of lack of playing time and recovery from injury isn't exactly hard core analysis. You can say that an inability to really assess what Moreno can do is complicating the issue but I suggest that it IS the issue. So far he has been the prototypical Ferrari that is constantly in the shop for repairs...
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:thumbup:Also, in actually watching Moreno play, he doesn't come across impressively. His main issue is that he is slow, one could argue that its because he's had injury problems, but he played just as slow all last year. When a RB lacks good/elite speed, he needs to make up for it with other qualities to be a good RB in the NFL. Moreno does not do this. His cutting ability and strength/tackle breaking are decent/good but not too the point that it makes up for his lack of speed. I think once McDaniels gets fired, Moreno's fantasy value will fall drastically as no other coach is going to be willing to give Moreno the ball 20 times a game like McDaniels is willing to. Whether that happens this year or some other year is anyone's guess. I just know I wouldn't want to be holding him when that time comes, so as a precaution I'd get rid of him ASAP while his value is still relatively high.
 
JD8p said:
Mile High said:
JD8p said:
Well, if he is in fact re-injured again, what is the price?Most owners that have him will not sell at a discount because of the playoff schedule...and most owners that want him will not pay anything more than a discounted price - at least from what I have seen in my leagues.I will be curious to see if he is out there today.
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Broncos are flying to London today.
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Well that's the first good sign...he will be on the plane.
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Yeah, but he's got to make it down the jetway first.
 
Velveeta22 said:
kneeunthaface said:
As a local here in Denver I am constantly hearing about this idiot being out @ the clubs all throughout the week going nuts. If he spent half as much time stretching his hammy as he does parading around town in his tacky-jive turkey mobile he might be able to stay on the field for more than one game at a time..
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This explains it all. There is a direct correlation between alcohol dehydration and hamstring pulls.
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Donte Stallworth. Just sayin'.
 
Why do people take these things so seriously and so personally?

It's fantasy football, enjoy it.

 
Glaven said:
habsfan said:
Wally Cleaver said:
davearm said:
Both Moreno and Ahmad Bradshaw are averaging around 14 PPG in standard scoring.If you can understand why Bradshaw is by far the guy you'd rather have going forward, then you probably grasp the point the Moreno doubters are making in this thread.
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Yes, the point is pretty easy to understand, anybody can look at his ypc and say, "Look, he isnt very good!!!" and that his low yards per carry are indicative of the fact that he will likely stop getting two touchdowns per game. This is a very very shallow and weak observation in my opinion. If you look a little deeper at his stats, his production, and his situation there are other factors that could indicate that his ypc is not necessarily indicitive of what you should expect for the rest of the year if healthy..Lets look at his games played...Week 1, coming off a long layoff with no carries in any preseason games and was clearly winded after almost every single carry as he was not practicing prior to week 1 thus trying to get his legs under him, he was asking out of the game often. Still produced a decent fantasy week.Week 2, much the same as week 1, didnt seem to have his legs and looked winded often which could easily be explained by him not practicing for over a month. Still had 17 fantasy points.Week 3 through 5 he got injured prior to them in practice. These weeks proved he is clearly the best back on the roster and has absolutely no competition for carries if healthy.Week 6, a throw out as he was just coming back and was not ready for a full load.Week 7, still looked slightly rusty and his team fell behind by 28 in the blink of an eye which should indicate a disasterous day for a running back however he still produced a very nice game.His upcoming schedule is very easy and once again he should see all the work if healthy on a very good offense, those simply looking at his ypc aren't seeing the whole picture in my opinion. He has quite a bit of excuses for not having a higher ypc and dismissing him simply based on that at this point is a mistake in my opinion.If he is hurt again, well then forget you read this.
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No offense but to suggest that YPC is a "very weak and shallow observation" and then offer that Moreno's production is a result of lack of playing time and recovery from injury isn't exactly hard core analysis. You can say that an inability to really assess what Moreno can do is complicating the issue but I suggest that it IS the issue. So far he has been the prototypical Ferrari that is constantly in the shop for repairs...
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:violin:Also, in actually watching Moreno play, he doesn't come across impressively. His main issue is that he is slow, one could argue that its because he's had injury problems, but he played just as slow all last year. When a RB lacks good/elite speed, he needs to make up for it with other qualities to be a good RB in the NFL. Moreno does not do this. His cutting ability and strength/tackle breaking are decent/good but not too the point that it makes up for his lack of speed. I think once McDaniels gets fired, Moreno's fantasy value will fall drastically as no other coach is going to be willing to give Moreno the ball 20 times a game like McDaniels is willing to. Whether that happens this year or some other year is anyone's guess. I just know I wouldn't want to be holding him when that time comes, so as a precaution I'd get rid of him ASAP while his value is still relatively high.
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If Moreno had played 8 games, with no limitations in practice and had his legs under him and then averaged 3.3 ypc I would say you know exactly what to expect going forward. Yes, his touchdowns have helped his total and to expect them to keep coming at this pace is completely unrealistic. However, expecting him to continue at 3.3 ypc when his schedule gets significantly lighter and he actually gets to practice prior to games, well that is unrealistic as well... He came into all 3 games he played significant minutes in this season with no foundation due to no practice, so his 'YPC' tells us about as much about him as does his receiving touchdowns which is "not much".Regardless, he is a 3 down back on an above average offense so I wouldn't expect his td's to stop altogether either. In redrafts I think he is a definite hold.
 
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just talked to Mike Klis on the phone, he's stuck at DIA after his flight got delayed to England...

Knowshon did clutch his leg after practice and called over 'Greek' (Broncos trainer) to take a look at him. That being said, Moreno is not on the injury report and it might have been something as simple as the hamstring sleeve he's wearing moving out of place. Moreno has commented to Klis before that the sleeve does move around during games and does become uncomfortable.

According to Klis any soreness or concern is a weekly issue with Moreno.

bottom line: Moreno is only in your lineup as a flex play. he'll be limited in practice in England, but if healthy he'll get a majority of the work for Denver.

 
Chaka said:
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Cha-Ching! Dude, that is hilarious. My family wondered what on Earth made me laugh so hard out loud at an evening hour I'm usually grumpy as hell (right after another fun day of software implementation). Priceless, Chaka.
 
Cecil Lammey said:
just talked to Mike Klis on the phone, he's stuck at DIA after his flight got delayed to England...Knowshon did clutch his leg after practice and called over 'Greek' (Broncos trainer) to take a look at him. That being said, Moreno is not on the injury report and it might have been something as simple as the hamstring sleeve he's wearing moving out of place. Moreno has commented to Klis before that the sleeve does move around during games and does become uncomfortable.According to Klis any soreness or concern is a weekly issue with Moreno.bottom line: Moreno is only in your lineup as a flex play. he'll be limited in practice in England, but if healthy he'll get a majority of the work for Denver.
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:goodposting: Thanks for taking the time to post.
 
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