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When Bill Clinton asked him about his comments, you know his response... "William, it was really nothing."
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Morrissey's Political Hot Takes (2 Viewers)
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Strangely enough, I (and someother FBGs) once saw a Joe Jackson cover band open for a Smiths/Morrisey cover band.
Ilov80s
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
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Joe Jackson also sang a cover with William Shatner, just to keep bringing these coincidences full circle.
Gr00vus
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He's a prophet who wrote the prescient treatise "November Spawned A Monster" decades before Trump became President.
timschochet
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Ever since the end of World War II, some conservatives have tried to make the argument that Hitler was a left-winger. William Buckley, Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol- I have heard MANY conservatives make this argument. Usually they base it on the original platform of the National Socialists from 1922. But Hitler largely abandoned that platform when he broke away from Gregor Strasser in order to align himself with wealthy, corporate Germans like Krupp. Then later on Hitler eliminated the last vestiges of left-wing Nazism in the Roehm Purge of 1934. From that point forward, Hitler and the Nazis can be considered extreme right wingers, though of a corporatist nature ( which makes it a little complicated.)
Now if you want to argue individualism vs. statism, the Nazis were definitely statist and collectivist. But that's more of a philosophical divide than a political one.
Now if you want to argue individualism vs. statism, the Nazis were definitely statist and collectivist. But that's more of a philosophical divide than a political one.
HellToupee
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Actually it’s about a person being born with a disability . Very dark, believe me , very dark song
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I know who he is but why would I or anyone else care about his politics? Are we going to start a Ted Nugent, Eminem, and Megadeth thread too? If it’s in their music, cool. But random rants from musicians barely move the needle IMO.
HellToupee
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Fun Fact : Morrissey has lived in the LA area for over 20 years
HellToupee
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
HellToupee
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timschochet
Footballguy
H Jass
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squistion
Footballguy
Morrissey has never said that he is gay. If he is, he has never been outspoken enough to actually come out.
HellToupee
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I would imagine he doesn’t hangout much with the bad hombres at the Home Depot parking lot
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
He's a celebrity. Some people cared when he refused to appear on Kimmel because that Duck Dynasty dude was on too.
It's still a weird story if only because even the biggest Moz fans know he's a gigantic #######. That's his brand.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
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Isn't he huge with young Latinos? I'm pretty sure I've read about 25 pieces about that.
HellToupee
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I believe you are correct about that. What does young Latinos hav cto do with Bad Hombres
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HellToupee
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Moz is a DIY guy but I believe like Lowe’s much better.
I’m shocked his fake news crazy talk about Spacey didn’t cause a bigger kerfuffle
squistion
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Morrissey may have been considered liberal or progressive at one point in time, but those days are over. Many of his comments are similar to what some of the right wing folks say around here. I gave a link to his interview previously, but here are the particulars, with some rather disturbing views or opinions:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/947480/morrissey-interview-racist-meaningless-london-news-sadiq-khan-london-knife-crime
Morrissey blasts 'racism is MEANINGLESS' as he attacks 'Loony Left'
MORRISSEY has declared the word “racist” has become meaningless in today’s society because it is so widely used as a “way of changing the subject”.
n an wide-ranging interview covering everything from the recent spate of violence in London to his views on animal rights, the former Smiths frontman hit out at the “modern Loony Left” and said people were quick to accuse others of being bigoted to avoid answering tough questions.
The singer said it was far easier to “distract” by calling people a racist than to listen to or argue against their “enlightened” comments.
Asked for his thoughts on a “question of racism” which has “always chased you through the press”, Morrissey said: “People accuse, yes, but they can’t penetrate or illuminate.”
He went on to describe what he called a series of “slurs” published by music magazine NME which he said were designed to “turn my audience against me”.
He added: “And as far as racism goes, the modern loony left seem to forget that Hitler was left wing!
“But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless. It’s just a way of changing the subject.
“When someone calls you racist, what they are saying is ‘hmm, you actually have a point, and I don’t know how to answer it, so perhaps if I distract you by calling you a bigot we’ll both forget how enlightened your comment was’.”
Morrissey, 58, also blasted London mayor Sadiq Kahn for his record on violent crime in the capital and claimed “we now live in the Age of Atrocity” because of the rise in acid attacks.
“All of the attacks are non-white, and so they cannot be truthfully addressed by the British Government or the Met Police or the BBC because of political correctness.
“What this means is that the perpetrator is considered to be as much of a victim as the actual victim.”
[...]
Morrissey went on to attack Mayor of London Mr Khan personally, saying he “cannot talk properly”.
He said: “The Mayor of London tells us about ‘Neighborhood policin’ - what is ‘policin’?
“He tells us London is an ‘amazin’ city. What is ‘amazin’? This is the Mayor of London! And he cannot talk properly!
“I saw an interview where he was discussing mental health, and he repeatedly said ‘men’el’… he could not say the words ‘mental health’. The Mayor of London!”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/947480/morrissey-interview-racist-meaningless-london-news-sadiq-khan-london-knife-crime
Morrissey blasts 'racism is MEANINGLESS' as he attacks 'Loony Left'
MORRISSEY has declared the word “racist” has become meaningless in today’s society because it is so widely used as a “way of changing the subject”.
n an wide-ranging interview covering everything from the recent spate of violence in London to his views on animal rights, the former Smiths frontman hit out at the “modern Loony Left” and said people were quick to accuse others of being bigoted to avoid answering tough questions.
The singer said it was far easier to “distract” by calling people a racist than to listen to or argue against their “enlightened” comments.
Asked for his thoughts on a “question of racism” which has “always chased you through the press”, Morrissey said: “People accuse, yes, but they can’t penetrate or illuminate.”
He went on to describe what he called a series of “slurs” published by music magazine NME which he said were designed to “turn my audience against me”.
He added: “And as far as racism goes, the modern loony left seem to forget that Hitler was left wing!
“But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless. It’s just a way of changing the subject.
“When someone calls you racist, what they are saying is ‘hmm, you actually have a point, and I don’t know how to answer it, so perhaps if I distract you by calling you a bigot we’ll both forget how enlightened your comment was’.”
Morrissey, 58, also blasted London mayor Sadiq Kahn for his record on violent crime in the capital and claimed “we now live in the Age of Atrocity” because of the rise in acid attacks.
“All of the attacks are non-white, and so they cannot be truthfully addressed by the British Government or the Met Police or the BBC because of political correctness.
“What this means is that the perpetrator is considered to be as much of a victim as the actual victim.”
[...]
Morrissey went on to attack Mayor of London Mr Khan personally, saying he “cannot talk properly”.
He said: “The Mayor of London tells us about ‘Neighborhood policin’ - what is ‘policin’?
“He tells us London is an ‘amazin’ city. What is ‘amazin’? This is the Mayor of London! And he cannot talk properly!
“I saw an interview where he was discussing mental health, and he repeatedly said ‘men’el’… he could not say the words ‘mental health’. The Mayor of London!”
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Osaurus
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrissey#Sexuality
Sexuality[edit]
Morrissey's sexuality has been the subject of much speculation and coverage in the British press during his career,[277] with claims varyingly being made that he was celibate, a frustrated heterosexual, or bisexual.[288] In a 1980 letter, he described both himself and his then-girlfriend as bisexual, although adding that he "hate[d] sex".[334]
During his years with the Smiths, Morrissey professed to being celibate, which stood out at a time when much of pop music was dominated by visible sexuality.[335] Marr said in a 1984 interview that Morrissey "doesn't participate in sex at the moment and hasn't done so for a while".[336] Repeatedly, interviewers asked Morrissey if he was gay, which he denied.[337] In response to one such inquiry in 1985, he stated that "I don't recognise such terms as heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, and I think it's important that there's someone in pop music who's like that. These words do great damage, they confuse people and they make people feel unhappy so I want to do away with them."[337] As his career developed, there was increased pressure placed on him to come out of the closet,[338] although he presented himself as a non-practicing bisexual.[339] In a 1989 interview, he revealed that he was "always attracted to men and women who were never attracted to me" and thus he did not have "relationships at all".[104] In 2013, he released a statement which said, "Unfortunately, I am not homosexual. In technical fact, I am humasexual. I am attracted to humans. But, of course ... not many."[340]
In 1997, he revealed that he had abandoned celibacy and that he had a relationship with a Cockney boxer.[341] That person was revealed in his autobiography to be Jake Walters. Their relationship began in 1994 and they lived together until 1996.[342] In a March 2013 interview, Walters said, "Morrissey and I have been friends for a long time, probably around 20 years."[343] Morrissey was later attached to Tina Dehghani. He discussed having a baby with Dehghani, with whom he described having an "uncluttered commitment".[342][344] In his autobiography, Morrissey also mentions a relationship with a younger Italian man, known only as "Gelato", with whom he sought to buy a house around 2006.[345][346]
The Encyclopædia Britannica states that he created a "compellingly conflicted persona (loudly proclaimed celibacy offset by coy hints of closeted homosexuality)" which has "made him a peculiar heartthrob".[347] Speculation was further fuelled by the frequent references to gay subculture and slang in his lyrics. In 2006, Liz Hoggard from The Independent said: "Only 15 years after homosexuality had been decriminalised, his lyrics flirted with every kind of gay subculture."[348]
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Ramblin Wreck
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Thought this was going to be about Squis's support of VA delegate Joe Morrissey
Osaurus
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drpill
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Come on man, I'm sorry to say so but that's a ridiculous assertion. I'm the biggest Smiths fan I know and I will always love their music, but much of what Morrissey says is completely indefensible and this strikes me as a deflection. The man's sexuality is irrelevant to any sincere conversation about his political views, which are hardly "extreme progressive," as you put it. Maybe there are homophobes out there who take this as an opportunity to jump on him because they care more about the fact that he's gay than the vile #### that comes out of his mouth, but I can't imagine there's a lot of overlap between that crowd and people who don't actually agree with the trash opinions he spews. It's too bad because I support him generally on his views about animal welfare but he really couldn't be a worse representative for that particular movement.HellToupee said:
So disappointed that Morrissey turned out to be such a ####. It's killed any hope I ever had of a Smiths reunion, as it's no wonder Johnny Marr wants absolutely nothing to do with the guy.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I've read some things that the door isn't completely shut. I think it will happen. They'd sure make boatloads of money.
timschochet
Footballguy
I knew there was a positive out of this.
Seriously, I’m not surprised at all that this dude is such an idiot. He is arguably the most pretentious and annoying artist in the history of popular music. I blame him, much more than Robert Smith (nearly as pretentious but at least with some musical ability) for the entire whiny “goth” movement of moody eternally whiny sensitive dudes wearing black eyeliner and screaming that they need to be loved.
timschochet
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I do like Johnny Marr though. Much better without that whiny idiot.
HellToupee
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timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah whatever I don’t care. It was his attitude, lack of vocal ability, and general whiny ness that encapsulates the scene.
HellToupee
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timschochet
Footballguy
Is that Lou Reed in your avatar? Change that; you don’t deserve Lou Reed. You need someone more whiny.Yeah whatever
But you’re wrong
squistion
Footballguy
No one would confuse him with Sinatra, but that is an overly harsh criticism. His vocals were a good fit for the Smiths and his subsequent solo work.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
Saw Morrissey a few months ago. He was great.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Why yes, yes it is. It’s from the cover of Transformer. A top 5-10 album for me. Incidentally Lou wasn’t a bull####ter and wouldn’t like some of your music takes
timschochet
Footballguy
Don’t kid yourself; he’d love them all (except when I’d be forced to tell him what a total piece of crap Metal Machine Music was; he wouldn’t like that.)
squistion
Footballguy
Reed seemed to dislike Republicans and conservatives while being a fan of Michael Moore:
https://hollowverse.com/lou-reed/
However, Lou was incredibly outspoken regarding the Bush Administration; as he once said:
The Bush administration, they and all the other Republicans and CIA before us got us into this mess we’re now in, and it’s their duty since the naive and easily strong right manipulative people elected them that they got us out of it. History in America we always have these old fashioned conservatives who use war as a profit and send a whole generation of young men to murder other poor people.7
Later in the interview, Reed mentions filmmaker Michael Moore and how he is trying to “open our eyes” by researching important political subjects.8 So bias seems to be out the window. Any sort of positive mention of Michael Moore automatically aligns one with the political left. We’re going to call him a liberal. (Not really a stretch considering his involvement with New York’s progressive art scene in the 60s and 70s–Niko and Andy Warhol and all that.) As to whether he’s a Democrat? There’s no evidence to suggest that, but he’s certainly no Republican.
HellToupee
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HellToupee
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A don’t give a rats ### what his political leanings were. Vive la difference! I can’t name one musical artist beside Johnny Ramone that was a conservative, I don’t care. I’m socially liberal, who gives a crap.
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