Moss Agreement Imminent (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

Moss agreement imminentPosted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff March 3, 2008 01:57 PM A contract agreement between the Patriots and receiver Randy Moss is imminent, according to a source with ties to Moss.Discussions between the sides intensified today. This story is developing. More to come.

Yeah, I know, there are 28 other threads on Moss, but if Mike Reiss is saying this then we need to consider this as reliable.

 

[Jason Wood]

Moss agreement imminentPosted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff March 3, 2008 01:57 PM A contract agreement between the Patriots and receiver Randy Moss is imminent, according to a source with ties to Moss.Discussions between the sides intensified today. This story is developing. More to come.

Yeah, I know, there are 28 other threads on Moss, but if Mike Reiss is saying this then we need to consider this as reliable.

Or we could just wait for an announcement to happen

 

[David Yudkin]

Mort and PFT are calling it 3 years/$27 million.

 

[AnonymousBob]

What a great deal for the Patriots.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Minutes ago.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

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POSTED 2:10 p.m. EST, March 3, 2008

MOSS DEAL DONE

A league source tells us that the Patriots and receiver Randy Moss have agreed to a new contract. Per the source, the deal is for three years, $27 million.

The contract hasn't been signed, and the language is being finalized.

It's unknown how much of the deal is guaranteed, signing bonus, etc.

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[cutter]

ESPN radio just announced it too.

 

[Jason Wood]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

 

[fruity pebbles]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

 

[Jason Wood]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

 

[AnonymousBob]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

Bernard Berrian and Jerry Porter down?

 

[fruity pebbles]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

From the sounds of it, he tooke a few days to look around and see what's out there. Don't think teams have totally forgotten his Oakland days and weren't willing to shell out huge guaranteed money to him. It's all about the guarnateed cash and the money in the first 3 years anyways. Little chance he'd see much after that.

 

[Workhorse]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

Actually, I give the Patriots just as much credit for not panicking during this week of "uncertainty" and getting a team-friendly deal - I was ready to be happy with the 3 year, $30 mil or so deal that was reported last week.

 

[Bob Henry]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

That's one way to offload your property taxes, Woodrow. In all seriousness, that is a HECKUVA deal for Moss and I'm guessing that the $27M is mostly base with a lot of bonuses built into that contract to help keep Randy motivated, but protect the Patriots at the same time.

 

[teamroc]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

I believe his age, his negative history in Oakland, and the depth of this WR class hurt his market value.There was simply no big time market for Moss. Packers? Not with Favre on the way out. Philly? They're preparing to boot out McNabb and had a horrible experience with TO. Vikings? No chance. Dallas? With TO? That was not realistic.The Pats were really the only team that had no character concerns, had no concerns about him fitting in, and had no problem paying him. An awful team simply couldn’t risk bringing them in, they are out of the playoff picture, and Moss pouts.Moss played up the Culpepper thing to get the Pats moving, but that was laughable. I'm sure over 50% of this is guaranteed, and I'd guess around 18m.

 

[Sopranos]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

Why? I dont think he is real smart. Likely his last deal at his age and he could have got a 5 year deal for 50 mil at min. IMO the guys that take less to stay in NE are stupid and are due zero credit. Dont get why people should sign for less if they can get more. Its a business.. In the end Moss ends up with half the cash and nothing to show for it.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

It depends upon what the numbers work out to be. If Berrian actually gets $42M over 6 years, then he might make out. But if he actually pulls in $24M (or less) over 3 years and then is sent packing, then it won't be as good. You can't just go by what the total deal value is, but you need to focus on what the likely payouts (read: guarantees) are.I would guess that the way the money is laid out, Moss is going to get all $27M and will be in a Patriots uniform with Brady for the next 3 seasons.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm sure over 50% of this is guaranteed, and I'd guess around 18m.

IIRC, you can only receive 50% of a contract in bonus money.

 

[KellysHeroes]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

9M a yr is a discount???... and what is the Guarantees in this contract

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

That's one way to offload your property taxes, Woodrow. In all seriousness, that is a HECKUVA deal for Moss and I'm guessing that the $27M is mostly base with a lot of bonuses built into that contract to help keep Randy motivated, but protect the Patriots at the same time.

But why would Randy aagree to an incentive laden contract? You think it was his idea? I'm not buying it. Obviously anything is possible, but I would just think that after last season Randy could get a better deal than that on the open market. That said, if he ends up taking "less" to play for a winner, I'll be rooting for him.

 

[Gr00vus]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

Why? I dont think he is real smart. Likely his last deal at his age and he could have got a 5 year deal for 50 mil at min. IMO the guys that take less to stay in NE are stupid and are due zero credit. Dont get why people should sign for less if they can get more. Its a business.. In the end Moss ends up with half the cash and nothing to show for it.

I think it would be a smart move on his part actually. If he puts up numbers something like what he did last year (I'd expect somewhat less, but even so those'd be pretty gaudy numbers) for the next 3, maybe wins a title or two and comes out on the other side only 33/34 years old (receivers can have a long shelf life in the NFL) I think he could get one more payday out of it.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

3pm lead on ESPN Right Now:

Clayton says both sides furiously working to close a 3yr / 27MM deal. I guess John is a little late to the party.

 

[Sopranos]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

Why? I dont think he is real smart. Likely his last deal at his age and he could have got a 5 year deal for 50 mil at min. IMO the guys that take less to stay in NE are stupid and are due zero credit. Dont get why people should sign for less if they can get more. Its a business.. In the end Moss ends up with half the cash and nothing to show for it.

I think it would be a smart move on his part actually. If he puts up numbers something like what he did last year (I'd expect somewhat less, but even so those'd be pretty gaudy numbers) for the next 3, maybe wins a title or two and comes out on the other side only 33/34 years old (receivers can have a long shelf life in the NFL) I think he could get one more payday out of it.

That was his high water mark. Anyones for that matter. He wont have another above Avg payday. Not a chance. As for the title, they blew their best chance and lost some pieces. He still has a chance.

 

[teamroc]

I'm sure over 50% of this is guaranteed, and I'd guess around 18m.

IIRC, you can only receive 50% of a contract in bonus money.

What about the poison pill for Hutchison where if he played more then 3 games in whatever state his whole contract would be guaranteed?

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm sure over 50% of this is guaranteed, and I'd guess around 18m.

IIRC, you can only receive 50% of a contract in bonus money.

What about the poison pill for Hutchison where if he played more then 3 games in whatever state his whole contract would be guaranteed?

IIRC, there is a difference in "signing bonuses upfront" and "guaranteed over the entire length of a contract."

 

[Gr00vus]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

Why? I dont think he is real smart. Likely his last deal at his age and he could have got a 5 year deal for 50 mil at min. IMO the guys that take less to stay in NE are stupid and are due zero credit. Dont get why people should sign for less if they can get more. Its a business.. In the end Moss ends up with half the cash and nothing to show for it.

I think it would be a smart move on his part actually. If he puts up numbers something like what he did last year (I'd expect somewhat less, but even so those'd be pretty gaudy numbers) for the next 3, maybe wins a title or two and comes out on the other side only 33/34 years old (receivers can have a long shelf life in the NFL) I think he could get one more payday out of it.

That was his high water mark. Anyones for that matter. He wont have another above Avg payday. Not a chance. As for the title, they blew their best chance and lost some pieces. He still has a chance.

So I guess we disagree. I think it's likely that he'll put up 3 more seasons of 80+ catch, 1000+ yards, 10+ TDs at least over the next 3 years in NE. A championship or two would be gravy, but regardless at that point I'd imagine there would be at least a couple of owners who'd be willing to pay this guy a pretty appreciable amount.Moss had a couple of injuries with the Raiders, but he doesn't have a history of serious ligament damage (ACL, MCL, Achilles, etc.), the kind of things that would cut a career short. If that continues I'd expect Moss to get a similar contract to this one (adjusted for 2011 dollars) again.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1]

I'm sure over 50% of this is guaranteed, and I'd guess around 18m.

IIRC, you can only receive 50% of a contract in bonus money.

What about the poison pill for Hutchison where if he played more then 3 games in whatever state his whole contract would be guaranteed?

I have not heard of the provision that you can only get 50% of a contract in bonus money. The only rule that I know of that would come into play would be the provision that the proration of bonus money cannot exceed the amount of base salary for the first 3 years. In other words, if you give Moss $18M in signing bonus, then the total base salaries for the first 3 years must be at least $6M total. I am still going through the 204 pages of the CBA and I can't see any maximum % of bonus money other than what I have outlined above, which I think was put in because of the deal the Cowboys signed Deion Sanders under.

 

[Bob Henry]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

That's one way to offload your property taxes, Woodrow. In all seriousness, that is a HECKUVA deal for Moss and I'm guessing that the $27M is mostly base with a lot of bonuses built into that contract to help keep Randy motivated, but protect the Patriots at the same time.

But why would Randy aagree to an incentive laden contract? You think it was his idea? I'm not buying it. Obviously anything is possible, but I would just think that after last season Randy could get a better deal than that on the open market. That said, if he ends up taking "less" to play for a winner, I'll be rooting for him.

Honestly, I don't pretend to represent anything that Randy thinks. I'm just going from the numbers being floated and the assertion that he is giving NE a "discount" to help him get a 'ship. Different things motivate different people. I'm not saying Randy is doing anyone a favor here, I'm only guessing that if those numbers are indeed factual than there must be some decent incentives in there that would raise the total a bit higher.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm sure over 50% of this is guaranteed, and I'd guess around 18m.

IIRC, you can only receive 50% of a contract in bonus money.

What about the poison pill for Hutchison where if he played more then 3 games in whatever state his whole contract would be guaranteed?

I have not heard of the provision that you can only get 50% of a contract in bonus money. The only rule that I know of that would come into play would be the provision that the proration of bonus money cannot exceed the amount of base salary for the first 3 years. In other words, if you give Moss $18M in signing bonus, then the total base salaries for the first 3 years must be at least $6M total. I am still going through the 204 pages of the CBA and I can't see any maximum % of bonus money other than what I have outlined above, which I think was put in because of the deal the Cowboys signed Deion Sanders under.

I don't remember the provision, but I thought there was a rule involving the salary portion not being able to increase more than 50% each season to help prevent 3-year contracts like $1M/$1M/$12M. I thought that it tied in with bonuses as well, but again I am not sure of the exact rules.

 

[David Yudkin]

More on Randy Moss

Posted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff March 3, 2008 02:57 PM

After a quiet few days of activity on the opening of free agency, the Patriots are on the verge of making a big splash with receiver Randy Moss.

A contract agreement between the Patriots and Moss is imminent, according to a source with close ties to Moss. The deal is for three years and is worth $27 million.

The sides had been close since the start of free agency, having agreed on the overall value of the pact. The main sticking point was in the amount of guaranteed money included in the deal.

Talks between the sides heated up today, as Moss's top priority was returning to New England.

The Patriots have seen a handful of players sign with new clubs through the first three days in free agency -- a group includes cornerback Asante Samuel (Eagles), receiver Donte’ Stallworth (Browns) and cornerback Randall Gay (Saints) -- but their top target always remained Moss.

 

[Horses Mouth]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

why? there is no guarantee that he would try if the team wasn't superbowl bound. the guy has a spotty track record and this time last year he looked like a miserable, crying SOB.

 

[Blackjacks]

NFL Netowrk is reporting it's official. Moss resigns with the Patriots. 3 years- 27 million

 

[The Moz]

For Moss's sake - alol 27 million better be gaurenteed !

Patriots just got the best WR in the NFL for about the same price as Minny got Berrian !!!

 

[Ghost Rider]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

I believe his age, his negative history in Oakland, and the depth of this WR class hurt his market value.There was simply no big time market for Moss. Packers? Not with Favre on the way out. Philly? They're preparing to boot out McNabb and had a horrible experience with TO. Vikings? No chance. Dallas? With TO? That was not realistic.The Pats were really the only team that had no character concerns, had no concerns about him fitting in, and had no problem paying him. An awful team simply couldn’t risk bringing them in, they are out of the playoff picture, and Moss pouts.Moss played up the Culpepper thing to get the Pats moving, but that was laughable. I'm sure over 50% of this is guaranteed, and I'd guess around 18m.

Moss was only going to go to a team that has playoff aspirations, and I am guessing none of them offered him much more than the Patriots gave him, so he took a tad less to stay in what was a great situation for him last season.

 

[Blackjacks]

Patriots, Moss reach agreement on three-year contract

Adam Schefter By Adam Schefter | NFL.com

The Patriots and free agent wide receiver Randy Moss agreed to a three-year, $27 million contract on Monday, reports NFL Network's Adam Schefter.

The two sides are reviewing the contract, which is expected to be signed today.

Moss, 30, was an unrestricted free agent after the Patriots elected not to designate the 10-year veteran as their franchise player.

In his first season with the Patriots in 2007, Moss set the NFL single-season record with 23 touchdown receptions, while catching 98 passes for 1,493 yards.

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true

 

[parrot]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

I believe his age, his negative history in Oakland, and the depth of this WR class hurt his market value.There was simply no big time market for Moss. Packers? Not with Favre on the way out. Philly? They're preparing to boot out McNabb and had a horrible experience with TO. Vikings? No chance. Dallas? With TO? That was not realistic.The Pats were really the only team that had no character concerns, had no concerns about him fitting in, and had no problem paying him. An awful team simply couldn’t risk bringing them in, they are out of the playoff picture, and Moss pouts.Moss played up the Culpepper thing to get the Pats moving, but that was laughable. I'm sure over 50% of this is guaranteed, and I'd guess around 18m.

Moss was only going to go to a team that has playoff aspirations, and I am guessing none of them offered him much more than the Patriots gave him, so he took a tad less to stay in what was a great situation for him last season.

 

[teamroc]

I'm sure over 50% of this is guaranteed, and I'd guess around 18m.

IIRC, you can only receive 50% of a contract in bonus money.

What about the poison pill for Hutchison where if he played more then 3 games in whatever state his whole contract would be guaranteed?

I have not heard of the provision that you can only get 50% of a contract in bonus money. The only rule that I know of that would come into play would be the provision that the proration of bonus money cannot exceed the amount of base salary for the first 3 years. In other words, if you give Moss $18M in signing bonus, then the total base salaries for the first 3 years must be at least $6M total. I am still going through the 204 pages of the CBA and I can't see any maximum % of bonus money other than what I have outlined above, which I think was put in because of the deal the Cowboys signed Deion Sanders under.

I don't remember the provision, but I thought there was a rule involving the salary portion not being able to increase more than 50% each season to help prevent 3-year contracts like $1M/$1M/$12M. I thought that it tied in with bonuses as well, but again I am not sure of the exact rules.

"It's believed the Seahawks' offer stipulates if Burleson plays more than five games in the state of Minnesota in a year, the entire $49 million contract becomes guaranteed. The second provision involves Burleson's salary in comparison to the running backs on the team, and it would have the effect of requiring Minnesota to guarantee the $49 million.Those guarantees are in the same vein as Minnesota's offer to Hutchinson, which was written with the stipulation that he be the team's highest-paid lineman at the time he signed the offer sheet. Otherwise, the $49 million contract was guaranteed. Because Walter Jones made more than Hutchinson when the deal was signed, Seattle had to promise to pay the entire contract to match the offer and keep Hutchinson."

 

[cstu]

Patriots, Moss reach agreement on three-year contract

Adam Schefter By Adam Schefter | NFL.com

The Patriots and free agent wide receiver Randy Moss agreed to a three-year, $27 million contract on Monday, reports NFL Network's Adam Schefter.

The two sides are reviewing the contract, which is expected to be signed today.

Moss, 30, was an unrestricted free agent after the Patriots elected not to designate the 10-year veteran as their franchise player.

In his first season with the Patriots in 2007, Moss set the NFL single-season record with 23 touchdown receptions, while catching 98 passes for 1,493 yards.

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true

The short deal surprises me. I wonder if he plans on only playing 2 years and then renegotiating or asking to be traded? He's probably going to make over $20M the first 2 years.

 

[teamroc]

Patriots, Moss reach agreement on three-year contract

Adam Schefter By Adam Schefter | NFL.com

The Patriots and free agent wide receiver Randy Moss agreed to a three-year, $27 million contract on Monday, reports NFL Network's Adam Schefter.

The two sides are reviewing the contract, which is expected to be signed today.

Moss, 30, was an unrestricted free agent after the Patriots elected not to designate the 10-year veteran as their franchise player.

In his first season with the Patriots in 2007, Moss set the NFL single-season record with 23 touchdown receptions, while catching 98 passes for 1,493 yards.

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true

The short deal surprises me. I wonder if he plans on only playing 2 years and then renegotiating or asking to be traded? He's probably going to make over $20M the first 2 years.

Randy took a pay cut to come to the Pats.He wants to win. He already has a huge bank account. I'm not sure he's worried about jamming the Pats for 5-6 extra million. He wants a ring.

A lot of those 7 year 50 million dollar contracts aren't real money anyway. I'd imagine this money is pretty much locked in, and it sounds like the deal TO got from the Cowboys. 10m a year, more or less. No one is going to give Moss more.

 

[David Yudkin]

No one is going to give Moss more.

I suspect that there would be teams that would have given Moss more, but they may nothave been teams that Moss wanted to play for.Moss is essentially getting $2 million a year more than Berrian got. That should be a clue that teams would have given Moss more than $9 million a year.

 

[The Shizzle]

Done Deal

Link on NFL.com

he Patriots and free agent wide receiver Randy Moss agreed to a three-year, $27 million contract on Monday.

The two sides are reviewing the contract, which is expected to be signed today.

Moss, 30, was an unrestricted free agent after the Patriots elected not to designate the 10-year veteran as their franchise player.

In his first season with the Patriots in 2007, Moss set the NFL single-season record with 23 touchdown receptions, while catching 98 passes for 1,493 yards.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Helps me renew my dislike of the Patriots

 

[David Yudkin]

Moss details

Posted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff March 3, 2008 04:47 PM

Randy Moss's three-year, $27 million contract with the Patriots includes a $12 million signing bonus. It is believed that Moss also received additional guaranteed money as part of the pact.

 

[Gr00vus]

Doesn't sound like they got Randy at a bargain.

So the Pats offense stays the same, their defense at this juncture appears to have gotten worse. I'll be interested to see how they approach the draft, but at this point it looks like they've come back to the pack in terms of roster quality.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Doesn't sound like they got Randy at a bargain.So the Pats offense stays the same, their defense at this juncture appears to have gotten worse. I'll be interested to see how they approach the draft, but at this point it looks like they've come back to the pack in terms of roster quality.

Samuels, Stallworth and Colvin are all great players, but now that Moss is onboard, I'm comfortable with Pioli and BB's capability to use free agency and the draft to field a defense that is as good or better than this year's roster.Lito Shepard and Jason Taylor rumors got me excited, but there's still lots of opportunity out there for a proven successful personnel organization.

 

[David Yudkin]

Doesn't sound like they got Randy at a bargain.So the Pats offense stays the same, their defense at this juncture appears to have gotten worse. I'll be interested to see how they approach the draft, but at this point it looks like they've come back to the pack in terms of roster quality.

If Berrian got $7 million a year, you don't think Moss took under market at only $2 million a year more?Have you seen some of the other signings this week? IMO, middle of the road players are getting $5-$7 million a year at almost any position it seems.I am pretty sure if Moss had his heart set on bleeding a team dry he could have had a much better deal.As for the Pats vs. the rest of the pack, it's a long way to September and the team has 10 fewer players than they did last week, so obviously they are not done reloading.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

Completely agree.Dude set NFL records last sesason that may never be broken.Dude put loyalty ahead of caysh for once. Solid move for both Moss and the Patriots organization.

 

[mozzy84]

pats got a steal here imo

 

[mad sweeney]

If it's really 3 years, $27mm then even Moss' critics better give him credit for taking less than market value to remain in NE.

or the market for him wasn't as hot as you would think

When I'm seeing Bernard Berrian net $42mm over 6 years and Andre Davis getting $16mm with $8mm in guarantees, I would bet my house that Moss could've gotten more than 3/27 in the open market. C'mon now.

Completely agree.Dude set NFL records last sesason that may never be broken.

Dude put loyalty ahead of caysh for once.

Solid move for both Moss and the Patriots organization.

That's probably a little altruistic. While I am not saying there is none involved, I'm sure there is. But I have to think a ring is at least as much of a motivating factor as loyalty.

 

[zadok]

No one is going to give Moss more.

I suspect that there would be teams that would have given Moss more, but they may nothave been teams that Moss wanted to play for.

Alegedly Andy Reid was talking to him all weekend and even today - offered him more money but he wanted to return to NE.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I think this signing keeps Tom Brady at the top of the Fantasy QB list.