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Moss or Ray Ray (1 Viewer)
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
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Quitters don't deserve rings.
Quitters don't deserve rings.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Rice #27 & Boldin #81
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Lol bitter much? Moss hasn't quit on the 9ers. In fact he has been nothing but a team player since they signed him. No whining, no complaining. He has just gone out and done what theyve asked of him, and has been very humble and professional.Just my $.02
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Much better to give it to the guy who tries to run down meter maids and left a string of unacknowledged kids behind in VA. I don't think either of them are the standards of idolatry that people should be harping on for "deserving" a ring. Plenty of other guys on both teams to root for otherwise. Except for on the Niners. Definitely none of them!
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Just putting "Ray Ray" in the thread title will guarantee that there will be many uneducated/pointless responses in the thread. Now, it is going to be great to see both of these HOF players for the final time. (Assuming Moss doesn't come back)
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Well, good for the Niners then, I guess.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
moleculo
Footballguy
quitter > stabber.
SSOG
Moderator
On the list of offenses ranked by forgivability, you'll find "being selfish, spoiled, and petulant", "smoking weed", and "shirking adult responsibilities" pretty substantially higher than "stabbing a dude to death" and "obstruction of an active murder investigation".
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I KNOW Moss quit on the Raiders. He admitted it, not that he needed to.I don't KNOW Lewis directly killed anyone.
Advantage > Ray
One More Rep
Footballguy
Moss for me but would be nice to see Reed get one
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
The amount of witnesses and/or prosecutors in this thread is incredible. I wish some of you would have come forward with what you saw & with any additional evidence.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
butcher boy
Footballguy
Can you really blame him for quitting on the Raiders? I mean.. It's the Raiders.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I would have had no problem whatsoever with him quitting on the team, as long as he didn't cash his checks.
nothing more to say
solorca
Footballguy
I'd prefer the non-murderer in that scenario. Plus, even if he was innocent of the murder (which I don't believe he was), Lewis still punched a woman in a bar a few years back.Ill take moss because he doesn't have a ring, and mainly because I'm tired of the Lewis inspiration crap. Even as a Panthers fan, the only single player that I would have liked to see get a title was Tony Gonzalez.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
I agree, but neither does that make someone "deserve" to go out with a ring. However, I don't believe being a multi-millionaire and leaving single mothers and your children behind in poverty to be aptly covered by "shirking adult responsibilities". No, I have no proof of that, I know someone that's from the same area as Moss. Feel free to dismiss that criticism of Moss.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
SSOG
Moderator
I never said that I was 100% certain Lewis murdered someone. I said I was 100% certain Moss had not. I do not have anywhere near that degree of certainty with Lewis. I AM, however, 100% certain that Ray Lewis actively impeded a murder investigation at the very least. He pled guilty to it. I know at the very least he got in a fight with two men, and that two of his friends later killed the men- they were acquitted on the grounds of self defense. I know that Ray Lewis conveniently misplaced the white suit he was wearing when the men were killed, and it's never been found. So, at the very least, he's a hothead who escalated a conflict that led to two of his friends killing two men, and he then obstructed the investigation. More reasonably (given the missing suit- seriously, when was the last time anyone just lost a suit, especially one they just happened to be wearing when his friends were busy killing someone), he was around for the murders. It is easily within the realm of possibility that he was a participant. Regardless, there is no reading of the events of that night that casts him in any but the most unfavorable light. Besides, this is a court of public opinion, not a court of law. The burden of proof is not "beyond a reasonable doubt", here, it's a simple preponderance of the evidence. And the preponderance of the evidence weighs heavily against Lewis, which is why he's reached settlements in civil suits with the families of both murder victims.
moleculo
Footballguy
solorca
Footballguy
Yeah, I edited at the same time you quoted me. Been A while since I thought of the case and I remembered it incorrectly. Regardless, I find it hard to believe that he was innocent, and even if he was, he got in trouble for punching a woman not too long before that.Lewis is no inspiration to me, that's for sure. Moss isn't either, but I think he's a better human being than ray Lewis at least.As I said before, the only guy at the end of his career that I was rooting for this year was Tony G.So much delicious ignorance in there I don't know where to begin.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I will admit it's curious that Lewis reached an out-of-court financial settlement with the families of both victims.A squeaky clean, completely innocent man probably doesn't do that.But I still like him 1000x more than Moss.
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Matt Birk!
BlackMamba24
Footballguy
Ed Reed!
SSOG
Moderator
It's not that curious. Again, the suit is pretty blatant. You mean to tell me that you just happened to lose the clothes you were wearing at the time of the murders? How do you lose clothes? There are only so many places they could be- just think, where were you the last time you undressed. Suits don't just vanish unless someone makes them vanish, and people don't make ultra expensive suits vanish unless they have a damn good reason. Ray almost certainly played a much larger role in those murders than has been admitted. And the nice thing about him making the Super Bowl is it gives everyone two more weeks to remind people that he maybe kind of sort of killed a couple dudes and lied to the cops about it. Not saying you have to like Moss. Guy's a major doucher who has quit on multiple teams, and who once ran his car into a meter maid because he was petulant about getting a ticket. But, in my mind, the fact that he hasn't maybe kind of sort of killed some dudes still ranks him miles above Lewis.
shader
Footballguy
Lewis is getting so over the top that it makes him look silly. Every week it's a new level of stupid. He's going to join pregame shows for the next ten years after probably having a major part in a murder.Moss is no saint either but it's not close. Go Moss. Best deep threat receiver in NFL history.
SSOG
Moderator
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I wish someone would murder that dance he does.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
"Straight cash, homie."
msommer
Footballguy
Now there is definitely a name to mention. Could throw it in with Gore as well
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Neither.
Pigskin Boss
Footballguy
There are many players that wont get a ring that I would like to see get one, but the question here is which of these two guys-------------I will go Ray.
Maybe Oprah can get him to admit to it?
buck naked
Footballguy
It's all about Ray - "Look at me, everybody! Look at my stupid dance! Look at me fall on the field after the game in a group of reporters so I can pretend pray and they can all take pictures of me!!"I can't stand his arrogance.
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