No he's certainly not... that was my first time seeing that and man was it impressive. Makes Ray Lewis look like a pansy.
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massraider
Footballguy
I'm going to assume you're too young to actually have any idea what you're talking about.The only time Bo wasn't in the backfield for the Raiders was when he first joined them every year, and got into football shape.They didn't start Marcus over him, they moved Marcus, Hall of Fame halfback, to fullback, to make room for Bo. That's how good he was.Bo was a "coulda been" in a lot of ways, because he never acheived everything he could have, but he sure wasn't ever overrated. He as was good as prople thought he was.
SlaX
Footballguy
I'm actually older than most people here (30), but think what you want.I agree that he was one of those "coulda been's". Since I was in my early teens when Bo was big, he was a favorite of mine, I'll admit. But thinking back, I don't think he was as impressive as I thought back then. Other than a handfull of games, I didn't find him to be that impressive on the football field. Baseball was a different story, though. Maybe 15 years have clouded my memory. As much potential as Bo had, he didn't get a chance to live up to the hype that was given for him. His commercials are still legendary, IMO, though.edit: I found these stats and although they don't visually show how well he played, he doesn't look to be a top 10 RB in any fantasy league, either.
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Year Team G Att Yds Ave TD Rec Yds Ave TD 1987 OAK 7 81 554 6.8 4 16 136 8.5 2 1988 OAK 10 136 580 4.3 3 9 79 8.8 0 1989 OAK 11 173 950 5.5 4 9 69 7.7 0 1990 OAK 10 125 698 5.6 5 6 68 11.3 0 Totals 38 515 2782 5.4 16 40 352 8.8 2
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Irish
Footballguy
Didn't watch the Superbowls during the Steel Curtain days huh.solid suggestion thereI vote... Lynn Swann.
massraider
Footballguy
They must have if you think he backed up Marcus Allen, and should be considered as THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY.Lordy, I understand if you think he never lived up to the hype, but no other player in NFL history is more overrated than Bo? That's your opinion?Please.
I'm a little older than you and I clearly remember Bo Jackson as being extremely impressive on the football field, especially considering he normally only played about 10 games per year and split time with Marcus Allen. If I remember right, he actually almost gained 1k yards one of those years (high 900's). I'll look up his stats and post them.
SlaX
Footballguy
I added his stats in my last post as an edit. He did almost break 1000 yards in '89. I'm not going to argue it, but that has been the thoughts of my own, along with some of my friends for the past few years now (we got into a discussion after watching the Bo segment of I Love the 90's once).
Bad Mojo
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massraider
Footballguy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NooANnr23e8
I'm glad I dug this up. That last run, against Cincy, was 90-some yards. What I remember about that game, was that he was actually caught on another run, an 89 yarder, by Rod Jones (former Buc, college sprinter). Bummer, because he would've been the only man with two 90 yard runs in one game.
As it stands, I believe Bo has more career 90+ runs than anyone else in NFL history.
He played 38 games.
I'm glad I dug this up. That last run, against Cincy, was 90-some yards. What I remember about that game, was that he was actually caught on another run, an 89 yarder, by Rod Jones (former Buc, college sprinter). Bummer, because he would've been the only man with two 90 yard runs in one game.
As it stands, I believe Bo has more career 90+ runs than anyone else in NFL history.
He played 38 games.
pettifogger
Footballguy
This is a joke, right? He might be the greatest athlete who ever lived. In 1990 he made the Pro Bowl and started in baseball All Star game. Lifetime rushing average 5.4 YPC.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Reality Football
Footballguy
Joe Namath.
Though his smooth pickup lines are vastly underrated.
Though his smooth pickup lines are vastly underrated.
I looked at the stats you posted and figured that you must be kidding about him being overrated. Then I watched the 2 videos that were posted and remembering how good he really was I know you must be kidding about him being overrated.
You're knocking back the crazy sauce if you think Warren Sapp's stats were not off the page. The guy had SIXTEEN POINT FIVE SACKS in 2000. *AS A DEFENSIVE TACKLE*. Ask any IDPers if those numbers aren't "off the page". In fact, I question whether those numbers have EVER been matched by a defensive tackle before.Warren Sapp was a defensive tackle who brought more pressure than almost any DE in the entire NFL. He redefined the way that the position was played. He made SEVEN STRAIGHT pro bowls. He won the defensive player of the year award. He pretty much had the Tampa 2 designed around his skills- Kiffin and Dungy have both gone on the record saying that the most important piece in the Tampa 2 is an "under tackle" who can pressure the QB like Sapp did. And like I said, he REVOLUTIONIZED the DT position. He didn't get noticed because he was the loudest guy on the team, he got noticed because he was an absolute BEAST. Derrick Brooks and Warren Sapp pretty much single-handedly turned Tampa Bay from a doormat into a champion.I don't like the guy one little bit. I think he has a lot to say, and I don't want to hear any of it. I also think he's way down the downslope of his career, and he's overpaid. Still, the guy should be a mortal LOCK for the pro football hall of fame. He's *EARNED* it.Woz said:
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
Winner winner chicken dinner!There should be a disclaimer that reads:Many players are overrated. But they are only overrated for a period of time before everyone realizes they aren't as good as advertised.Ryan Leaf was overrated for only about 3 months.Brett Favre has been overrated for the past 3 Years.Charles Woodson is no longer thought of as one of the very best DBs in the NFL (if you read a decent scouting mag)... but he was certainly overrated for the first few years of his career.The tough thing would be to be overrated for a very long period of time. Could be Michael Vick, although I'm still in the camp that he could pull things together with a decent WR corps.So who was overrated for the longest period of time should define who is the MOST overrated.I vote... Lynn Swann.
Thanks for posting these. Great to see again, even if neither one has the run where Bo carried Bosworth into the endzone. That's my favorite.Exactly. All people remember is the SB's.Clutch? Maybe, Great all-time WR...Didn't watch the Superbowls during the Steel Curtain days huh.solid suggestion thereI vote... Lynn Swann.
nygiants56
Footballguy
Ron Dayne, anyone?
gump
Footballguy
In addition to that, ask any OC what they game planned against when they played the Bucs in the mid to late 90's. Ten out of ten would say they had to figure out how to stop Sapp.Ten out of Ten would also say that the biggest thing that made that D great was the fact that they could stop the run and rush the passer with a 4-man line. That of course was all due to Sapp.His personality blinds people.
teamramrod
Footballguy
Emmit Smith.
If the Lions drafted Smith and the Comboys drafted Barry, woul dwe even be having this conversation or would Emmit be selling life insurance in Gainsville?
If the Lions drafted Smith and the Comboys drafted Barry, woul dwe even be having this conversation or would Emmit be selling life insurance in Gainsville?
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Let me know when Bettis gets to 15k yards.
Namath is easily the most overrated player I can think of.VincePapale
Footballguy
Namath is easily the most overrated player I can think of.
You have to remember that players like Swann are from a different area. If he played today, he'd be one of those 90/10 TD guys every year. The rules were ALOT different back then, and the seasons were shorter. In Swann's day, it was 14 games. Even considering the rule changes, add two games a year to many of those players prime and they would have even better numbers.
Namath is a head scratcher. He never beat a team with a winning record after SB 3. He put up some awful TD/INT ratios for several years. On paper, you think "why is he is the HOF"? Now, IMHE, if you talk to someone who watched him play as it happened, they are like you are crazy to think he shouldn't be there.
You have to remember that players like Swann are from a different area. If he played today, he'd be one of those 90/10 TD guys every year. The rules were ALOT different back then, and the seasons were shorter. In Swann's day, it was 14 games. Even considering the rule changes, add two games a year to many of those players prime and they would have even better numbers.
Namath is a head scratcher. He never beat a team with a winning record after SB 3. He put up some awful TD/INT ratios for several years. On paper, you think "why is he is the HOF"? Now, IMHE, if you talk to someone who watched him play as it happened, they are like you are crazy to think he shouldn't be there.
saintsfan
Footballguy
When I think of this ##### winning the Heisman over Peyton Manning, it makes me hate ESPN. ESPN made that happen with their campaign for Woodson.
Why couldn't ESPN have campaigned for a defensive guy when Gino friggin Torreta or Danny Awful was winning the Heisman. Not only did Manning deserve it, he passed up big bucks as a junior to play as a senior.
Why couldn't ESPN have campaigned for a defensive guy when Gino friggin Torreta or Danny Awful was winning the Heisman. Not only did Manning deserve it, he passed up big bucks as a junior to play as a senior.
BigRed
Footballguy
? I don't hear people talking about how great he is. You're not even close. Review some tape of Deon "I can't tackle but I sure dance cute" Sanders who people call a 1st ballot HOFer and get back to me. :X
Not a comlete waste of time. There is a site hosted by FBGs that has stats for every skill position player in NFL history (as far as I know)...and they calculate fantasy points for each player in each season (not including lpayoffs). Swann was a mediorce WR, in terms of pure numbers, even in his day.So while yes, the second guy is right... I'm a stat whore... I was comparing his stats with WR in his day.
traderkirk
Footballguy
http://www.provencehome.org/refsuck/pages/history02.htmlWho's the guy making the play here? If Walt Coleman doesn't screw up the call, that's a pantheon play by a CB.
And just remember you Peyton fans, you can't spell Citrus with out UT!!!
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
This has to be fishing. Before Rice established himself in the league, Monk was the first guy in the conversation about the best WRs in the league. He held the career and single-season record for receptions. People who say he shouldn't be considered for the HOF are clearly missing the point.Workhorse said:
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