Mostly tattoo discussion, some stuff about Kapernick and his tortoise (1 Viewer)

[squistion]

Kaepernick responds on Twitter:

Colin Kaepernick ‏@Kaepernick7 13m

(1/3) The charges made in the TMZ story and other stories I’ve seen are completely wrong. They make things up about me that never happened.

Colin Kaepernick ‏@Kaepernick7 13m

(2/3) I take great pride in who I am and what I do, but I guess sometimes you have to deal with someone who makes things up.

Colin Kaepernick ‏@Kaepernick7 12m

(3/3) I want to thank all of the people who have shared their encouraging sentiments. I assure you that your faith is not misplaced.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Can someone count up the posters who have said they think he did it?

OMG! It's poor CK up on the cross again because "many" (which apparently means just JuniorNB) are calling him a thug again.

This is a situation where the pro's and anti's are equally histrionic about it.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Can someone count up the posters who have said they think he did it?

OMG! It's poor CK up on the cross again because "many" (which apparently means just JuniorNB) are calling him a thug again.

This is a situation where the pro's and anti's are equally histrionic about it.

Really it could go either way. I think it is somewhat suspicious and ideally nobody would put themselves in that position.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Can someone count up the posters who have said they think he did it?

OMG! It's poor CK up on the cross again because "many" (which apparently means just JuniorNB) are calling him a thug again.

This is a situation where the pro's and anti's are equally histrionic about it.

I count at least 3 people calling him a "thug" - JuniorNB, Two Deep, and ITS - just skimmed quick.

It's fine if they want to call him that (maybe he really is, I don't know him) - but it seems people were doing so based on a few minor appearance factors without knowing much about his background.

As I said, there is a chance he did something really bad here, but its begining to look like he didn't.

There's really not much harm done by some message board posters calling him a thug, nor is there any harm in someone attempting to educate those people so they can make a more informed opinion. Your "up on the cross" reference was probably the most histrionic post in the thread though - I didn't see anyone lashing out at those calling him a thug either really. No one really cares all that much either way - unless it ends up that he did do something worng.

 

[JohnnyU]

Can someone count up the posters who have said they think he did it?

OMG! It's poor CK up on the cross again because "many" (which apparently means just JuniorNB) are calling him a thug again.

This is a situation where the pro's and anti's are equally histrionic about it.

I count at least 3 people calling him a "thug" - JuniorNB, Two Deep, and ITS - just skimmed quick.

It's fine if they want to call him that (maybe he really is, I don't know him) - but it seems people were doing so based on a few minor appearance factors without knowing much about his background.

As I said, there is a chance he did something really bad here, but its begining to look like he didn't.

There's really not much harm done by some message board posters calling him a thug, nor is there any harm in someone attempting to educate those people so they can make a more informed opinion. Your "up on the cross" reference was probably the most histrionic post in the thread though - I didn't see anyone lashing out at those calling him a thug either really. No one really cares all that much either way - unless it ends up that he did do something worng.

If he did something bad we can put the blame solely on the fact that his hat brim isn't bent.

 

[jmo87usc]

Can someone count up the posters who have said they think he did it?

OMG! It's poor CK up on the cross again because "many" (which apparently means just JuniorNB) are calling him a thug again.

This is a situation where the pro's and anti's are equally histrionic about it.

Didn't mean to touch a nerve there bud, but when you read my word "many", I guess you assumed I meant just in this thread. No big deal. The initial reaction from "many" across this board, twitter, internet etc. was "I knew that tattooed, straight brimmed loser was a thug!". Not saying the word many even means the majority of people, but it was more than just a few.

I am not a Kaepernick apologist and my post was far from histrionic. I only questioned why people are so quick to indict the guy when there is clearly no reason to yet.

 

[Bob Magaw]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

 

[False Start]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Do you think Lloyd Blankfien is a thug?

 

[False Start]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Do you think Lloyd Blankfien is a thug?

He is more of scum and words that I cant say here, as most Bank CEOs are. Crazy link about what the people at GS think about people.

 

[SproutDaddy]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Posters like you are why I visit these boards less and less every year. This particular forum has become cesspool of over-opinionated nonsense. Your statement has no credibility. Please present some evidence and stop with the dimwitted statements.

 

[mr roboto]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Do you think Lloyd Blankfien is a thug?

He is more of scum and words that I cant say here, as most Bank CEOs are. Crazy link about what the people at GS think about people.

#1: The only reason I have a home phone is so I can find my cell phone.

#2: Our maid does that.

 

[False Start]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Posters like you are why I visit these boards less and less every year. This particular forum has become cesspool of over-opinionated nonsense. Your statement has no credibility. Please present some evidence and stop with the dimwitted statements.

 

[HellToupee]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Posters like you are why I visit these boards less and less every year. This particular forum has become cesspool of over-opinionated nonsense. Your statement has no credibility. Please present some evidence and stop with the dimwitted statements.

Hi SD . I would certainly appreciate a less personal & more general approach in posting next time. Thank youHT

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Do you think Lloyd Blankfien is a thug?

Most Harvard Grads are.

 

[SproutDaddy]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Posters like you are why I visit these boards less and less every year. This particular forum has become cesspool of over-opinionated nonsense. Your statement has no credibility. Please present some evidence and stop with the dimwitted statements.

Exactly. You have nothing more than contributions to the idiocracy.

 

[Bob Magaw]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?

But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

 

[False Start]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Posters like you are why I visit these boards less and less every year. This particular forum has become cesspool of over-opinionated nonsense. Your statement has no credibility. Please present some evidence and stop with the dimwitted statements.

Exactly. You have nothing more than contributions to the idiocracy.

No, I'm not gonna sit here and get in an petty argument with you over the fact that I think Kaepernick is a thug, get over it. Life will be OK. Some could say you are acting like an internet thug with your name calling.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Do you think Lloyd Blankfien is a thug?

Most Harvard Grads are.

 

[Joe Bryant]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

Posters like you are why I visit these boards less and less every year. This particular forum has become cesspool of over-opinionated nonsense. Your statement has no credibility. Please present some evidence and stop with the dimwitted statements.

He's mostly right though. He shouldn't have called your statements dimwitted and that won't fly here either but outside of that was spot on. False Start, be way cooler about it or find a new board. If you've got something specific to back up you calling people thugs, lay it out. Thanks.

J

 

[Beefeaters]

I can't really tell what race he is, so how am I supposed to know whether or not he is a thug?

 

[False Start]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?

But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

Yes, that is accurate. You are comparing a guy being charged with murder and his guilt to someone thinking someone is a thug. Give me a moment while I digest the comparable nonsense.

I never said Kaep did it, but just because I dont defend him does not mean he doesnt deserve his day in court. Just means I dont like him and I am not going to defend him. I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye.

As far as Hernandez he is a thug who may be a murderer, but we dont know, because he gets his day in court too. Maybe you should be over there asking people to be as open mind about a circumstantial case that might send a man to jail for the rest of his life then you are over hear trying to get me to have an open mind on if I think someone is a thug or not.

 

[Joe Bryant]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?

But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

[clip] I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye. [clip]

Can you explain specifically why you think that?

J

 

[False Start]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?

But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

[clip] I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye. [clip]

Can you explain specifically why you think that?

J

Sure, but is thinking someone is a thug against the board rules? I'm seriously asking. He is being investigated according to reports that he was involved in something sexual at an apartment where police are involved in some capacity, that is evidence that he may be a thug. Only one who is disputing it is his twitter reports, while the police said he is not a suspect or anything of the sort his name came up in a suspicious case.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I apologize for the dimwitted statement, but I didn't realize that was out of line. And FTR, I never called you any names False Start. To call me a thug is nothing short of ridiculous and a few other words that I won't use at this time. It just goes to show you have zero credibility.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I can't really tell what race he is, so how am I supposed to know whether or not he is a thug?

I know you're likely joking - but his mother is white, his father is black and his adoptive parents, the Kaepernicks, are both white.

 

[SproutDaddy]

You have a serious misunderstanding of what a thug is FS. Does it have to be said how you're making yourself look?

 

[Joe Bryant]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?

But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

[clip] I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye. [clip]

Can you explain specifically why you think that?

J

Sure, but is thinking someone is a thug against the board rules? I'm seriously asking. He is being investigated according to reports that he was involved in something sexual at an apartment where police are involved in some capacity, that is evidence that he may be a thug. Only one who is disputing it is his twitter reports, while the police said he is not a suspect or anything of the sort his name came up in a suspicious case.

Thinking someone is a thug is not against the rules. Calling a player a thug and backing it up with nothing is going to have lots of people asking you to explain why you think that.

You wrote, "I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye."

Again, Can you explain specifically why you think that? Are you saying this new TMZ story is the sole reason that you think he's a thug?

J

 

[False Start]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?

But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

[clip] I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye. [clip]

Can you explain specifically why you think that?

J

Sure, but is thinking someone is a thug against the board rules? I'm seriously asking. He is being investigated according to reports that he was involved in something sexual at an apartment where police are involved in some capacity, that is evidence that he may be a thug. Only one who is disputing it is his twitter reports, while the police said he is not a suspect or anything of the sort his name came up in a suspicious case.

Thinking someone is a thug is not against the rules. Calling a player a thug and backing it up with nothing is going to have lots of people asking you to explain why you think that.

You wrote, "I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye."

Again, Can you explain specifically why you think that? Are you saying this new TMZ story is the sole reason that you think he's a thug?

J

From how he acts, as I stated a thug is not a single race, its not an education level, its not about who your parents are. Its a way of life, a persona, a lifestyle. This investigation just solidified my thoughts.

 

[squistion]

You have a serious misunderstanding of what a thug is FS. Does it have to be said how you're making yourself look?

If you knew the area I grew up you wouldnt question my credibility. I can spot a thug from a mile away. Its not a single race, its not an education level, its not about who your parents are. Its a way of life, a persona, a lifestyle.

Here of the term living "thug life?" Maybe you are the one as well as others with a serious misunderstanding of what a thug is.

Hmmm...that sounds a lot like former SCOTUS Justice Potter Stewart, who said that he couldn't define "hard-core pornography" but "I know it when I see it"

 

[SproutDaddy]

You have a serious misunderstanding of what a thug is FS. Does it have to be said how you're making yourself look?

If you knew the area I grew up you wouldnt question my credibility. I can spot a thug from a mile away. Its not a single race, its not an education level, its not about who your parents are. Its a way of life, a persona, a lifestyle.

Here of the term living "thug life?" Maybe you are the one as well as others with a serious misunderstanding of what a thug is.

So, since you're the self-proclaimed expert here you should be able to tell us why he's a thug. Something you have yet to do.

 

[SproutDaddy]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

[clip] I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye. [clip]

Can you explain specifically why you think that?

J

Sure, but is thinking someone is a thug against the board rules? I'm seriously asking. He is being investigated according to reports that he was involved in something sexual at an apartment where police are involved in some capacity, that is evidence that he may be a thug. Only one who is disputing it is his twitter reports, while the police said he is not a suspect or anything of the sort his name came up in a suspicious case.

Thinking someone is a thug is not against the rules. Calling a player a thug and backing it up with nothing is going to have lots of people asking you to explain why you think that.

You wrote, "I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye."

Again, Can you explain specifically why you think that? Are you saying this new TMZ story is the sole reason that you think he's a thug?

J

From how he acts, as I stated a thug is not a single race, its not an education level, its not about who your parents are. Its a way of life, a persona, a lifestyle. This investigation just solidified my thoughts.

How he acts? You're going to have to unpack that better. Please present examples.

 

[False Start]

You have a serious misunderstanding of what a thug is FS. Does it have to be said how you're making yourself look?

If you knew the area I grew up you wouldnt question my credibility. I can spot a thug from a mile away. Its not a single race, its not an education level, its not about who your parents are. Its a way of life, a persona, a lifestyle.

Here of the term living "thug life?" Maybe you are the one as well as others with a serious misunderstanding of what a thug is.

So, since you're the self-proclaimed expert here you should be able to tell us why he's a thug. Something you have yet to do.

I have my reasons and I have seen this board, I'm not gonna share my reasons so you can argue with me about them. Some clearly want to argue and no one is going to change my view of him, especially now. If you guys want to question me and my credibility because I think someone is a thug, go ahead man. Thats all you. I'm sure that means I know less about football because I think a person is a thug. You guys are so upset I think Kaep is a thug, you would think I am the one being investigated for suspicious events.

Question is why does it upset you so much why I think someone is a thug or not? Does it matter to you what I think of him or are you on some movement to defend anyone who is classified by someone as a thug?

 

[HellToupee]

Well this thread has turned into a peepee contest. Congrats fellas

 

[Joe Bryant]

Well this thread has turned into a peepee contest. Congrats fellas

Yes. Let's try to get back on track and talk about how this might affect Kaepernick and the future.

If you have an opinion, be prepared to be asked about why you have the opinion and be able to back it up. If not, that's on you.

J

 

[False Start]

Well this thread has turned into a peepee contest. Congrats fellas

Yes. Let's try to get back on track and talk about how this might affect Kaepernick and the future.

If you have an opinion, be prepared to be asked about why you have the opinion and be able to back it up. If not, that's on you.

J

I know in PDSL it has made his draft stock fall and until there is a certain outcome it may stay that way.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Well this thread has turned into a peepee contest. Congrats fellas

Yes. Let's try to get back on track and talk about how this might affect Kaepernick and the future.

If you have an opinion, be prepared to be asked about why you have the opinion and be able to back it up. If not, that's on you.

J

I know in PDSL it has made his draft stock fall and until there is a certain outcome it may stay that way.

It's a good risk / reward situation. If you're a Kaepernick fan, he'll probably never be much better value than right now. But there's always the risk there's more to the story.

I think if it were me, I'd take a chance on him betting that this trouble passes. I know nothing more than you guys but this looks like a TMZ thing right now. We'll know more soon though as the major sports sites dig into it.

Unfortunately for Kaepernick, there's not a lot of other news going outside of golf so this will get full attention. Although that could turn out to be a positive for him if it turns out things are ok. I'd guess we'll know pretty soon.

J

 

[False Start]

Well this thread has turned into a peepee contest. Congrats fellas

Yes. Let's try to get back on track and talk about how this might affect Kaepernick and the future.

If you have an opinion, be prepared to be asked about why you have the opinion and be able to back it up. If not, that's on you.

J

I know in PDSL it has made his draft stock fall and until there is a certain outcome it may stay that way.

It's a good risk / reward situation. If you're a Kaepernick fan, he'll probably never be much better value than right now. But there's always the risk there's more to the story.

I think if it were me, I'd take a chance on him betting that this trouble passes. I know nothing more than you guys but this looks like a TMZ thing right now. We'll know more soon though as the major sports sites dig into it.

Unfortunately for Kaepernick, there's not a lot of other news going outside of golf so this will get full attention. Although that could turn out to be a positive for him if it turns out things are ok. I'd guess we'll know pretty soon.

J

Reports are saying the 49ers are confident he did nothing wrong, but in the fantasy circles it depends on what risk you are willing to take. Like you said you never know what might develop. If there are better options, I'm taking them.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported on NFL Insiders Friday that the 49ers "feel pretty certain" Colin Kaepernick committed no wrongdoing in connection with an April 1 "suspicious incident."

"My understanding is the 49ers feel pretty certain Kaepernick did nothing wrong," were Mort's words. Although TMZ has tried turning this into a big story, to this point all signs have pointed to it being nothing short of a non-story.

Miami police have not even questioned Colin Kaepernick in connection with the April 1 "suspicious incident" at ex-teammate Ricardo Lockette's apartment.
The woman involved has made no known accusations. She did tell police that she had a previous sexual relationship with Kaepernick, but the two did not have sex on the night in question. She alleges she made drinks for Kaepernick, Lockette, and Quinton Patton, "hit" a bong containing marijuana, and went to bed after feeling "light headed." She remembered nothing thereafter, before waking up in a hospital bed. Police say the investigation has not been closed, but obviously no arrests have been made, and it sounds like no arrests have even been close to being made.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I have my reasons and I have seen this board, I'm not gonna share my reasons so you can argue with me about them. Some clearly want to argue and no one is going to change my view of him, especially now. If you guys want to question me and my credibility because I think someone is a thug, go ahead man. Thats all you. I'm sure that means I know less about football because I think a person is a thug. You guys are so upset I think Kaep is a thug, you would think I am the one being investigated for suspicious events.

Question is why does it upset you so much why I think someone is a thug or not? Does it matter to you what I think of him or are you on some movement to defend anyone who is classified by someone as a thug?

Miami police have not even questioned Colin Kaepernick in connection with the April 1 "suspicious incident" at ex-teammate Ricardo Lockette's apartment.The woman involved has made no known accusations. She did tell police that she had a previous sexual relationship with Kaepernick, but the two did not have sex on the night in question. She alleges she made drinks for Kaepernick, Lockette, and Quinton Patton, "hit" a bong containing marijuana, and went to bed after feeling "light headed." She remembered nothing thereafter, before waking up in a hospital bed. Police say the investigation has not been closed, but obviously no arrests have been made, and it sounds like no arrests have even been close to being made.

 

[Gargoylez]

I stopped going to TMZ (not that I really went there all to often) when they censored Kate Uptons topless video and then wanted us to thank them. Honestly, TMZ is not NBC News or anything. They take a story, run with it and if it gets some press they embellish. Obviously too many people are paying attention to the story, because they appear to have multiple posts about it.

Stop going to their site for this story, and TMZ forgets about it. I doubt anything happened. I really hope nothing happened. Makes little sense to me.

 

[Beefeaters]

I can't really tell what race he is, so how am I supposed to know whether or not he is a thug?

I know you're likely joking - but his mother is white, his father is black and his adoptive parents, the Kaepernicks, are both white.

Yes. Joking.

 

[DepthCharts]

While I am in the stands of "I doubt anything illegal happened" My questions while trying to read between the lines regarding this currently non criminal event, where if I am reading correctly she went blank and woke up in a hospital.......

first and foremost why would the police be involved?

Was it because she was passed out on arrival at hospital (is that maybe simple protocol for hospitals)?

or

Was it because there is evidence of intercourse and during a time she claims was passed out?

How did she get to the hospital? By one of the 3 (or 2 or all 3 of them) or was she found elsewhere by a friend or random person who delivered her to the hospital? (this could be where the police became involved if someone found her in an location implying she was dumped off while passed out, like reckless endangerment or something).

Was a rape kit used in hospital? If yes, that tells me there was something happening down there and she requested it or agreed to it. (this could be where the police became involved)

guessing there is an incident report based solely on the fact that the hospital (dr's, nurses etc) may be required to report any of the above implications I made. Simply.

This "may have" just been a case of a passed out person admitting to using drugs/alcohol and is delivered to a hospital so a report "must" be filed. plain as that. I hope for all FOUR people involved that is the case. If it is anything more, I will save that for another discussion and be the first person to join the kaepernick bashing.

signed, hawks fan trying to keep it real......

 

[BaBastage]

For anyone looking for a plausible explanation, try this:

She passes out in the apartment after drinking and taking bong hits. Football players call agents, who tell them to call 911. Paramedics come, take her to hospital.

Now that she's in the hospital, they can a) make sure she doesn't die and b) if there's no evidence of sexual assault, it's been verified by the hospital. (Unlike the weak defense in other cases where the alleged rapists claim that the girl went home, and had sex with another partner. Possible, but not plausible.)

If there's one thing we know about this stuff, it's that over time we look back and admit that early on, we didn't know all the facts. If there was wrongdoing here, the facts will likely come out.

If it turns out that CK was guilty of what TMZ is accusing him with, I'll be disgusted and want him off the team. In the interim, it's a waiting game.

Oh. And TMZ should be sued over this.

 

[False Start]

Rotoworld:

Profootballtalk's Mike Florio believes Colin Kaepernick's involvement with the April 1 "suspicious incident" in Miami could hurt his negotiation position in extensions talks with the 49ers.

Kaepernick is listed in a police report along with two other NFL players as a "suspect" in connection to the incident, but hasn't been accused of any wrongdoing. The 49ers reportedly feel "pretty certain" that Kaepernick did nothing wrong, but the events surrounding his involvement raise off-field concerns that could impact negotiations, regardless of the outcome in the police investigation. Entering the final year of his rookie deal, Kaepernick is seeking 20 million per season annually.

 

[Bob Magaw]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

Yes, that is accurate. You are comparing a guy being charged with murder and his guilt to someone thinking someone is a thug. Give me a moment while I digest the comparable nonsense.

I never said Kaep did it, but just because I dont defend him does not mean he doesnt deserve his day in court. Just means I dont like him and I am not going to defend him. I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye.

As far as Hernandez he is a thug who may be a murderer, but we dont know, because he gets his day in court too. Maybe you should be over there asking people to be as open mind about a circumstantial case that might send a man to jail for the rest of his life then you are over hear trying to get me to have an open mind on if I think someone is a thug or not.

I'm trying to reconcile a few seemingly contradictory beliefs, but having a hard time.First is your stance on Hernandez, who the police and legal system thought there was not only enough evidence to charge him with murder, but to deny him bail as a potential danger to the community (possibly because the murder victim may have been silenced due to knowledge about two prior murders Hernandez could have had involvement in). Based on that, you expressed thinking people shouldn't assume anything about his possible involvement in that crime (or those crimes).

Than there is your position on Kaepernick, who the police and legal system have not charged with a crime at the present time, yet you assume he will have future legal trouble.

Seemingly in the interest of consistency, Kaepernick would be entitled to at least as much (if not more) benefit of the doubt as you are extending to Hernandez, about not assuming things of a criminal nature. You asked others in the Hernandez thread to not assume he did anything, in the case of an actual crime he was charged with. Yet you don't see any contradiction in assuming future legal trouble for Kaepernick on a hypothetical and imaginary basis, for crimes that haven't even happened and may never happen.

In that thread, there seemed to be a misunderstanding that people on a message board (ie - the court of public opinion) aren't bound by the legal principal and guideline or jury instruction of innocent until proven guilty, to the point of abandoning reason, logic and common sense. I could care less what Hernandez looks like, or walks like, or talks like, or if he has tats, or wears his hat funny or during games flexed his muscles, taunted the opposition, had some other demonstrative behavior or got chippy. But if he is waving a gun around on camera and talking about not being able to trust people a few hours before picking up somebody who is later murdered a few blocks from his home, it probably doesn't involve a delivery of girl scout cookies. He might as well have put a post it on the victim's forehead announcing - I, Aaron Hernandez, murdered this person. As far as the organizational ability to "mastermind" the crime and cover his tracks, he makes Goober look like Robert Oppenheimer.

As far as putting out a statement like Kaepernick is a thug, and when pressed for details, saying that is just what you think but you won't say why because you don't want to get into an argument, clearly that is going to cause misunderstanding either way. That would be like going to a Sammy Watkins thread and saying he is the worst WR in NFL history, and when asked why you think that, refusing to give reasons. What would be the point? Is it going to influence the thinking of others? Is it just using the forum as a vehicle to vent personal dislike? Not saying you are fishing or stirring the pot, but with an unwillingness or inability to furnish reasons to back or support the statement that he is a thug beyond because I said so, this kind of posting behavior is indistinguishable from the above. Would you want to be part of a message board where everybody posted in the same way you have, and the exchanges consisted of the following...

Kaepernick is a thug.

Is not.

Is.

Is not.

Etc.

That is kindergarten level.

You aren't interested in a dialogue, by your own admission. If you are genuine and sincere in not wanting to create board dissension and divisiveness, don't make controversial, sensationalized claims (Kaepernick is a thug just because, I said so) that are in effect baseless when you refuse to explain or defend them.

 

[False Start]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?

But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

Yes, that is accurate. You are comparing a guy being charged with murder and his guilt to someone thinking someone is a thug. Give me a moment while I digest the comparable nonsense.

I never said Kaep did it, but just because I dont defend him does not mean he doesnt deserve his day in court. Just means I dont like him and I am not going to defend him. I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye.

As far as Hernandez he is a thug who may be a murderer, but we dont know, because he gets his day in court too. Maybe you should be over there asking people to be as open mind about a circumstantial case that might send a man to jail for the rest of his life then you are over hear trying to get me to have an open mind on if I think someone is a thug or not.

I'm trying to reconcile a few seemingly contradictory beliefs, but having a hard time.

First is your stance on Hernandez, who the police and legal system thought there was not only enough evidence to charge him with murder, but to deny him bail as a potential danger to the community (possibly because the murder victim may have been silenced due to knowledge about two prior murders Hernandez could have had involvement in). Based on that, you expressed thinking people shouldn't assume anything about his possible involvement in that crime (or those crimes).

Than there is your position on Kaepernick, who the police and legal system have not charged with a crime at the present time, yet you assume he will have future legal trouble.

Seemingly in the interest of consistency, Kaepernick would be entitled to at least as much (if not more) benefit of the doubt as you are extending to Hernandez, about not assuming things of a criminal nature. You asked others in the Hernandez thread to not assume he did anything, in the case of an actual crime he was charged with. Yet you don't see any contradiction in assuming future legal trouble for Kaepernick on a hypothetical and imaginary basis, for crimes that haven't happened and may never happen.

In that thread, there seemed to be a misunderstanding that people on a message board (ie - the court of public opinion) aren't bound by the legal principal and guideline or jury instruction of innocent until proven guilty, to the point of abandoning reason, logic and common sense. I could care less what Hernandez looks like, or walks like, or talks like, or if he has tats, or wears his hat funny or during games flexed his muscles, taunted the opposition, had some other demonstrative behavior or got chippy. But if he is waving a gun around on camera and talking about not being able to trust people a few hours before picking up somebody who is later murdered a few blocks from his home, it probably doesn't involve a delivery of girl scout cookies. He might as well have put a post it on the victim's forehead announcing - I, Aaron Hernandez, murdered this person. As far as the organizational ability to "mastermind" the crime and cover his tracks, he makes Goober look like Robert Oppenheimer.

As far as putting out a statement like Kaepernick is a thug, and when pressed for details, saying that is just what you think but you won't say why because you don't want to get into an argument, clearly that is going to cause misunderstanding either way. That would be like going to a Sammy Watkins thread and saying he is the worst WR in NFL history, and when asked why you think that, refusing to give reasons. What would be the point? Is it going to influence the thinking of others? Is it just using the forum as a vehicle to vent personal dislike? Not saying you are fishing or stirring the pot. Not saying you are fishing or stirring the pot, but with an unwillingness or inability to furnish reasons to back or support the statement that he is a thug beyond because I said so, this kind of posting behavior is indistinguishable from the above. Would you want to be part of a message board where everybody posted in the same way you have, and the exchanges consisted of the following...

Kaepernick is a thug.

Is not.

Is.

Is not.

Etc.

That is kindergarten level.

You aren't interested in a dialogue, by your own admission. If you are genuine and sincere in not wanting to create board dissension and divisiveness, don't make controversial, sensationalized claims that are in effect baseless when you refuse to explain or defend them.

Joe asked us to put this to rest but since you wanted to bring it up again I think he is a thug based off my own classification of what I think a thug is and what I know a thug is, what is so hard to understand? If that doesn't satisfy what answer you are looking for, sorry.

 

[Bob Magaw]

I think he was referring to the you are a dummy head or meanie type of posts.

Clearly if Kaepernick is a thug, that could bear on his future. Your credibility bears on how seriously we should take the accusation, or not. Repeating that you think so because you think so isn't a credible position to be taken seriously. Not saying you couldn't articulate that, but just stating the obvious that you aren't doing that.

It isn't hard at all to understand that without backing your statement with supporting reasons and explanations (like he has tats), and keeping them a secret and hidden to yourself, that is by definition a baseless accusation. We were also told to expect questions and challenges on baseless accusations (he will have future legal trouble, but I refuse to explain the basis on which I arrived at that position), which is exactly what you are doing.

In order to grasp what is difficult to understand about your contradictory positions, you would need to do more than mechanically, reflexively repeat I think he is a thug because I think he is a thug. You would need to see the relation between the contradictory thoughts in the Hernandez thread and here. There, you told others they should reserve judgement that he was a murderer before he had his day in court. Even further, you advocated releasing him on bail because we should not assume he had guilt in the matter. Despite, I might add, the mountain of evidence pointing to him being a murderer.

Yet you are not holding yourself to the same standard in this instance that you asked of others in the earlier case. Are you reserving judgement here, as you exhorted others to before? Because it doesn't sound like you are, with statements like Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future. How do you reconcile those contradictory positions? You don't need to dig into the specifics (tats?) for why you think Kaepernick is a thug. Just comparing your advocacy of reserving judgement with AH on an actual murder, and yet assuming Kaepernick will get in legal trouble for hypothetical future crimes that could be imaginary and never happen, is incoherent and untenable in combination. You seem to be assuming Kaepernick will get in trouble. But than if in the future he is charged with a crime, like Hernandez, would you flip and assume he isn't guilty of what he got in trouble for? How do you combine that? You assume he will get in trouble, and if it happens, you aren't supposed to assume that he did what he got in trouble for. What does that even mean?

If you went into the Watkins thread and said on alternate, even and odd days, Watkins is great and than Watkins is terrible and back and forth, you would quickly lose credibility. If possible, even more than by refusing to discuss your reasons. Just the flip flopping, switchey changey positions, in and of themselves, would be problematic.

If somebody in your life or at your work or otherwise talking about you in public assassinated your character, and refused to cite reasons, in effect making baseless accusations about you (False Start is a thug and will have legal issues in the future, just because I said so), I doubt if you would appreciate it.

That isn't really so hard to understand.

 

[False Start]

I think he was referring to the you are a dummy head or meanie type of posts.

Clearly if Kaepernick is a thug, that could bear on his future. Your credibility bears on how seriously we should take the accusation, or not. Repeating that you think so because you think so isn't a credible position to be taken seriously. Not saying you couldn't articulate that, but just stating the obvious that you aren't doing that.

It isn't hard at all to understand that without backing your statement with supporting reasons and explanations (like he has tats), and keeping them a secret and hidden to yourself, that is by definition a baseless accusation. We were also told to expect questions and challenges on baseless accusations (he will have future legal trouble, but I refuse to explain the basis on which I arrived at that position), which is exactly what you are doing.

In order to grasp what is difficult to understand about your contradictory positions, you would need to do more than mechanically, reflexively repeat I think he is a thug because I think he is a thug. You would need to see the relation between the contradictory thoughts in the Hernandez thread and here. There, you told others they should reserve judgement that he was a murderer before he had his day in court. Even further, you advocated releasing him on bail because we should not assume he had guilt in the matter. Despite, I might add, the mountain of evidence pointing to him being a murderer.

Yet you are not holding yourself to the same standard in this instance that you asked of others in the earlier case. Are you reserving judgement here, as you exhorted others to before? Because it doesn't sound like you are, with statements like Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future. How do you reconcile those contradictory positions? You don't need to dig into the specifics (tats?) for why you think Kaepernick is a thug. Just comparing your advocacy of reserving judgement with AH on an actual murder, and yet assuming Kaepernick will get in legal trouble for hypothetical future crimes that could be imaginary and never happen, is incoherent and untenable in combination.

If you went into the Watkins thread and said on alternate, even and odd days, Watkins is great and than Watkins is terrible and back and forth, you would quickly lose credibility. If possible, even more than by refusing to discuss your reasons. Just the flip flopping, switchey changey positions, in and of themselves, would be problematic.

If somebody in your life or at your work or otherwise talking about you in public assassinated your character, and refused to cite reasons, in effect making baseless accusations (False Start is a thug and will have legal issues in the future, just because I said so) about you, I doubt if you would appreciate it.

That isn't really so hard to understand.

All honesty, I'm not going to read all that I'm sure most of it is bashing me because I think someone is a thug. If my credibility is judged by calling someone a thug, so be it. I do not take one calling someone a thug as personal as you I guess.

 

[identikit]

I think he was referring to the you are a dummy head or meanie type of posts.

Clearly if Kaepernick is a thug, that could bear on his future. Your credibility bears on how seriously we should take the accusation, or not. Repeating that you think so because you think so isn't a credible position to be taken seriously. Not saying you couldn't articulate that, but just stating the obvious that you aren't doing that.

It isn't hard at all to understand that without backing your statement with supporting reasons and explanations (like he has tats), and keeping them a secret and hidden to yourself, that is by definition a baseless accusation. We were also told to expect questions and challenges on baseless accusations (he will have future legal trouble, but I refuse to explain the basis on which I arrived at that position), which is exactly what you are doing.

In order to grasp what is difficult to understand about your contradictory positions, you would need to do more than mechanically, reflexively repeat I think he is a thug because I think he is a thug. You would need to see the relation between the contradictory thoughts in the Hernandez thread and here. There, you told others they should reserve judgement that he was a murderer before he had his day in court. Even further, you advocated releasing him on bail because we should not assume he had guilt in the matter. Despite, I might add, the mountain of evidence pointing to him being a murderer.

Yet you are not holding yourself to the same standard in this instance that you asked of others in the earlier case. Are you reserving judgement here, as you exhorted others to before? Because it doesn't sound like you are, with statements like Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future. How do you reconcile those contradictory positions? You don't need to dig into the specifics (tats?) for why you think Kaepernick is a thug. Just comparing your advocacy of reserving judgement with AH on an actual murder, and yet assuming Kaepernick will get in legal trouble for hypothetical future crimes that could be imaginary and never happen, is incoherent and untenable in combination.

If you went into the Watkins thread and said on alternate, even and odd days, Watkins is great and than Watkins is terrible and back and forth, you would quickly lose credibility. If possible, even more than by refusing to discuss your reasons. Just the flip flopping, switchey changey positions, in and of themselves, would be problematic.

If somebody in your life or at your work or otherwise talking about you in public assassinated your character, and refused to cite reasons, in effect making baseless accusations (False Start is a thug and will have legal issues in the future, just because I said so) about you, I doubt if you would appreciate it.

That isn't really so hard to understand.

All honesty, I'm not going to read all that I'm sure most of it is bashing me because I think someone is a thug. If my credibility is judged by calling someone a thug, so be it. I do not take one calling someone a thug as personal as you I guess.

Definitely your loss.

It's not bashing at all.

Simple reason.

 

[fatness]

TMZ's first headline was "Colin Kaepernick Investigated for Sexual Assault." This is their actual text: "San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick is being investigated for an alleged sexual assault in Miami, Florida ... law enforcement sources tell TMZ Sports."


They've backed off. They toned it down to "Colin Kaepernick Investigation -- Cops Confirm Investigation Is 'Sexual In Nature'". This is their actual text: "The police official cautions ... this is merely an investigation. Police are attempting to determine if something criminal occurred but have made no determination yet.".